Re: Bee, please help me. I need scientific evidence.

[Guest guest]

Why do you have to explain anything to her at all. She wasn't even

supposed to know you. How dare she phone you and question you like

this. I haven't totally followed this thread but didn't a doctor

write in approval for you so that you wouldn't have to answer to

anyone else at this school? I'd go to the people who were supposed to

protect your privacy and get them to intervene with the dietician. If

she calls again, tell her that this has been okayed by a doctor and

therefore approved by the school and you don't feel inclined to answer

anymore questions about it. This is how you want your son to eat and

you've done your research and are completely comfortable with it.

Whew, no wonder you're shaking. Does she know that protein turns into

a form of glucose during digestion? Has she studied the diet of early

man? Put her on the defensive instead of you being put there.

Good Luck,

On 25-Sep-08, at 4:54 AM, hjacksic wrote:

> Hi Bee,

>

> I'm so upset right now - I'm just shaking.

>

> I just got off the phone with the dietician that my son's daycare was

> supposed to " anonymously " speak with regarding his diet. She's very

> concerned about his food intake and is worried that he's not going to

> get enough glucose for brain function. She is also concerned about

> whether this diet will affect his growth (legnth-wise).

>

> She talked with me for about half an hour trying to find out where I

> got this diet from and who recommended it and whether it is has been

> scientifically tested on children.

>

> She told me that they need to monitor him quite carefully if he is

> going to stay on this diet long term and wants me to measure and

> record all of his food intake for the next 5 days so she can assess

> it.

>

> She caught me totally off-guard and I didn't know what to say to

> her. I do have one scientific study that talks about vitamin intake

> for kids with autism, but nothing further. I figured that was the

> best place to start since he was referred to the pediatrician to be

> tested for autism/ADHD type behavioural problems. I told her that

> his behvaviour and personality had improved so much in the past few

> months on the diet that I no longer believe he has a problem. (She

> didn't seem impressed).

>

> She was telling me that they use a high-fat low carb here in Sweden

> for kids with epilepsy and it has been successful, but that those

> kids are monitored all the time.

>

> I gave her this list of the vitamins I give to my son:

>

> Vitamin A: 5,000IU/day

> Vitamin B Complex: 3 tsp. Nutritional Yeast Flakes/day

> Vitamin C: 1000mg/day

> Vitamin D: 300IU/day

> Vitamin E: 100IU/day

> Calcium: 200mg/day, he also gets calcium in breast milk which he has

> at least once/day

> Magnesium: 200mg/day

> Fish Oil: 660mg Omega 3, 340mg EPA, and 225mg DHA

>

> She thought the vit C was maybe too high and that 4000mg was shown to

> cause kidney stones in adults.

>

> I don't know what to do now. Should I tell her that we are doing

> this diet to get rid of candida? I did tell her that it is a healing

> diet. She might be concerned about the candida idea since he was

> never tested. Also, I know that so few people in the medical

> community believe that candida even exists, unless it's the systemic

> kind. Or should I tell her that it more of a Feingold Diet or GAPS

> diet since those have doctor's names behind them? Although I know

> your program is better.

>

> Do you know of any scientific studies about this diet that have been

> conducted on children? The " on children " part is the crucial part

> for her. She kept harping on that. I figure there probably isn't

> too many if any at all since Big Pharma wouldn't make any money out

> of it. I just hate it that I have to justify myself to them,

> especially when I see people feeding their kids candy, cake and coke

> all the time. Why don't they have to have *their* kids monitored?

>

> This is really upsetting. I can't even function right now. And of

> course, this just had to happen when my husband is away on business,

> so I have no support. Not to mention I'm writing a paper and have an

> exam next week. I'm so exhausted and overwhelmed.

>

> I would love some prayers and support if anyone can spare it. Oh and

> scientific evidence would really help, too.

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Bee,

>

> I'm so upset right now - I'm just shaking.

>

> I just got off the phone with the dietician that my son's daycare

was

> supposed to " anonymously " speak with regarding his diet. She's

very

> concerned about his food intake and is worried that he's not going

to

> get enough glucose for brain function. She is also concerned about

> whether this diet will affect his growth (legnth-wise).

>

> She talked with me for about half an hour trying to find out where

I

> got this diet from and who recommended it and whether it is has

been

> scientifically tested on children.

>

> She told me that they need to monitor him quite carefully if he is

> going to stay on this diet long term and wants me to measure and

> record all of his food intake for the next 5 days so she can assess

> it.

>

> She caught me totally off-guard and I didn't know what to say to

> her. I do have one scientific study that talks about vitamin

intake

> for kids with autism, but nothing further. I figured that was the

> best place to start since he was referred to the pediatrician to be

> tested for autism/ADHD type behavioural problems. I told her that

> his behvaviour and personality had improved so much in the past few

> months on the diet that I no longer believe he has a problem. (She

> didn't seem impressed).

>

> She was telling me that they use a high-fat low carb here in Sweden

> for kids with epilepsy and it has been successful, but that those

> kids are monitored all the time.

>

> I gave her this list of the vitamins I give to my son:

>

> Vitamin A: 5,000IU/day

> Vitamin B Complex: 3 tsp. Nutritional Yeast Flakes/day

> Vitamin C: 1000mg/day

> Vitamin D: 300IU/day

> Vitamin E: 100IU/day

> Calcium: 200mg/day, he also gets calcium in breast milk which he

has

> at least once/day

> Magnesium: 200mg/day

> Fish Oil: 660mg Omega 3, 340mg EPA, and 225mg DHA

>

> She thought the vit C was maybe too high and that 4000mg was shown

to

> cause kidney stones in adults.

>

> I don't know what to do now. Should I tell her that we are doing

> this diet to get rid of candida? I did tell her that it is a

healing

> diet. She might be concerned about the candida idea since he was

> never tested. Also, I know that so few people in the medical

> community believe that candida even exists, unless it's the

systemic

> kind. Or should I tell her that it more of a Feingold Diet or GAPS

> diet since those have doctor's names behind them? Although I know

> your program is better.

>

> Do you know of any scientific studies about this diet that have

been

> conducted on children? The " on children " part is the crucial part

> for her. She kept harping on that. I figure there probably isn't

> too many if any at all since Big Pharma wouldn't make any money out

> of it. I just hate it that I have to justify myself to them,

> especially when I see people feeding their kids candy, cake and

coke

> all the time. Why don't they have to have *their* kids monitored?

>

> This is really upsetting. I can't even function right now. And of

> course, this just had to happen when my husband is away on

business,

> so I have no support. Not to mention I'm writing a paper and have

an

> exam next week. I'm so exhausted and overwhelmed.

>

> I would love some prayers and support if anyone can spare it. Oh

and

> scientific evidence would really help, too.

Hi . First of all children are simply human beings in smaller

bodies, and that's the only difference!

What " right " does she have, when his pediatrician approved of his

diet? I'd go into the attack mode now!!! Ask her for her detailed

job description and " copies " of laws or regulations that allow her to

meddle like this. Put the ball back into her court, not yours.

Does that witch know that scientific studies are lies, and that they

twist facts and manipulate them, etc. just to sell drugs and food

industry junk?

Anyway it is a medical fact that 58% of protein and 10% of fat turn

into glucose inside the body, and that only 1 teaspoon of glucose is

circulating throughout the body at any given time, that the brain is

70-80% fat (which is where the pituatary is located which controls

growth) and that the body runs more efficiently off of " good " fats

rather than carbs which tax the body's resources. She can confirm it

herself in medical texts. Have her prove that these facts " are not "

true. Don't take this on yourself by providing her with what she

asks. I wouldn't have given them a list of his supplements either.

Take deep breaths my dear. Get back to me right away.

Lots of prayers & support always,

Bee

[Guest guest]

Right on . Great minds think alike! LOL!

Luv, Bee

>

> Why do you have to explain anything to her at all. She wasn't

even

> supposed to know you. How dare she phone you and question you

like

> this. I haven't totally followed this thread but didn't a doctor

> write in approval for you so that you wouldn't have to answer to

> anyone else at this school? I'd go to the people who were supposed

to

> protect your privacy and get them to intervene with the dietician.

If

> she calls again, tell her that this has been okayed by a doctor

and

> therefore approved by the school and you don't feel inclined to

answer

> anymore questions about it. This is how you want your son to eat

and

> you've done your research and are completely comfortable with it.

>

> Whew, no wonder you're shaking. Does she know that protein turns

into

> a form of glucose during digestion? Has she studied the diet of

early

> man? Put her on the defensive instead of you being put there.

>

> Good Luck,

>

[Guest guest]

Well I've been called lots of thing but never a great mind. lol But

I'll accept the compliment. And right back at ya' (My mom used to

say at the end of that quote... " and lunatics seldom differ " .) So I

guess I fit into that category as well!

JP

On 25-Sep-08, at 9:58 AM, Bee wrote:

> Right on . Great minds think alike! LOL!

>

> Luv, Bee

>

>

> >

> > Why do you have to explain anything to her at all. She wasn't

> even

> > supposed to know you. How dare she phone you and question you

> like

> > this. I haven't totally followed this thread but didn't a doctor

> > write in approval for you so that you wouldn't have to answer to

> > anyone else at this school? I'd go to the people who were supposed

> to

> > protect your privacy and get them to intervene with the dietician.

> If

> > she calls again, tell her that this has been okayed by a doctor

> and

> > therefore approved by the school and you don't feel inclined to

> answer

> > anymore questions about it. This is how you want your son to eat

> and

> > you've done your research and are completely comfortable with it.

> >

> > Whew, no wonder you're shaking. Does she know that protein turns

> into

> > a form of glucose during digestion? Has she studied the diet of

> early

> > man? Put her on the defensive instead of you being put there.

> >

> > Good Luck,

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

My prayers are with you. It must already be so difficult trying to

maintain kids on this diet, without someone else interfering like

this! But I understand what you are going through to an extent. I

have told some of my friends about this diet and many of them shun

it, sometimes it is hard to even get my parents to appreciate all

components of the diet and to understand that it is not ok for me to

eat rice, even once at week.

However rest assured I am a medical student and I actually asked one

of my professors whether there are any dangers associated with eating

a low carb and high fat diet. She said that no there wasn't as long

as you consume enough protein, which gets converted into glucose in

the body in the absence of carbohydrates. The only thing that you

have to keep in mind is that you should keep your son's meals regular

because unlike carbohydrates, proteins take longer for the body to

break down into glucose. Hence if hes skips a meal and then eats

accrding to Bee's diet he won't be able to replenish his energy as

quickly as he won't if he eat a large amount of carbohydrates. But

the think with carbohydrates is that his energy will quickly be

sapped as well!

Anyway my professor went on to state that a high protein diet is what

cave men and other early humans survived on and that it should not

interfer with brain function. I hope this help to ressure you. If you

would like I can ask my professor for some scientific information

that the diet Bee recommends is safe.

Let me know

With best wishes and hugs,

Nithya

p.s and trust me I know what you me when you say that you are

exhausted and overwhelmed. I also have exams coming up and I just

can't concentrate on my studies with al of my die-off symptomes!

[Guest guest]

Yes, , this is how I feel, too. They have no right to meddle

in my family's diet plan. But now I'm wondering if they have social

services involved. And I don't really want to pi$$ them off right

now. And yes, his pediatrician did write him a note and at first, I

thought she was calling because the pediatrician asked, because we

have an appointment with the ped next week to discuss my son's diet

further, but then realized afterwards (after I gave her all the

information she asked for) that she was calling because of the

school. As I said, she totally caught me off-guard and I just don't

know where my head was.

And if social services are involved, I'm scared what would happen if

I didn't comply with her request for the stupid food measurements.

I was even thinking of taking my son out of the daycare now, but if I

did, I would only have to deal with this again when he's old enough

to go to elementary school, because we plan to be on this diet

forever.

I doubt she's even heard of a diet from early man! She really didn't

seem to know all that much. She wanted to know if I got any of my

information from Sweden because she mostly knew of studies from

Sweden. Uh, well, no, since I don't really speak Swedish.

Anyway, I'm still really upset about this but I want to get to the

bottom of all this without getting them too defensive. I don't need

any extra trouble right now.

>

> > Hi Bee,

> >

> > I'm so upset right now - I'm just shaking.

> >

> > I just got off the phone with the dietician that my son's daycare

was

> > supposed to " anonymously " speak with regarding his diet. She's

very

> > concerned about his food intake and is worried that he's not

going to

> > get enough glucose for brain function. She is also concerned about

> > whether this diet will affect his growth (legnth-wise).

> >

> > She talked with me for about half an hour trying to find out

where I

> > got this diet from and who recommended it and whether it is has

been

> > scientifically tested on children.

> >

> > She told me that they need to monitor him quite carefully if he is

> > going to stay on this diet long term and wants me to measure and

> > record all of his food intake for the next 5 days so she can

assess

> > it.

> >

> > She caught me totally off-guard and I didn't know what to say to

> > her. I do have one scientific study that talks about vitamin

intake

> > for kids with autism, but nothing further. I figured that was the

> > best place to start since he was referred to the pediatrician to

be

> > tested for autism/ADHD type behavioural problems. I told her that

> > his behvaviour and personality had improved so much in the past

few

> > months on the diet that I no longer believe he has a problem. (She

> > didn't seem impressed).

> >

> > She was telling me that they use a high-fat low carb here in

Sweden

> > for kids with epilepsy and it has been successful, but that those

> > kids are monitored all the time.

> >

> > I gave her this list of the vitamins I give to my son:

> >

> > Vitamin A: 5,000IU/day

> > Vitamin B Complex: 3 tsp. Nutritional Yeast Flakes/day

> > Vitamin C: 1000mg/day

> > Vitamin D: 300IU/day

> > Vitamin E: 100IU/day

> > Calcium: 200mg/day, he also gets calcium in breast milk which he

has

> > at least once/day

> > Magnesium: 200mg/day

> > Fish Oil: 660mg Omega 3, 340mg EPA, and 225mg DHA

> >

> > She thought the vit C was maybe too high and that 4000mg was

shown to

> > cause kidney stones in adults.

> >

> > I don't know what to do now. Should I tell her that we are doing

> > this diet to get rid of candida? I did tell her that it is a

healing

> > diet. She might be concerned about the candida idea since he was

> > never tested. Also, I know that so few people in the medical

> > community believe that candida even exists, unless it's the

systemic

> > kind. Or should I tell her that it more of a Feingold Diet or GAPS

> > diet since those have doctor's names behind them? Although I know

> > your program is better.

> >

> > Do you know of any scientific studies about this diet that have

been

> > conducted on children? The " on children " part is the crucial part

> > for her. She kept harping on that. I figure there probably isn't

> > too many if any at all since Big Pharma wouldn't make any money

out

> > of it. I just hate it that I have to justify myself to them,

> > especially when I see people feeding their kids candy, cake and

coke

> > all the time. Why don't they have to have *their* kids monitored?

> >

> > This is really upsetting. I can't even function right now. And of

> > course, this just had to happen when my husband is away on

business,

> > so I have no support. Not to mention I'm writing a paper and have

an

> > exam next week. I'm so exhausted and overwhelmed.

> >

> > I would love some prayers and support if anyone can spare it. Oh

and

> > scientific evidence would really help, too.

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Bee, sorry I was in class all afternoon.

That's what I think, too. She needs to explain to me what right she

has asking me all these questions. I just wrote a message to

saying that I think that social services may have gotten

involved and that's why they are after me. I only told her the

vitamins I give my son because I thought she was calling on request

from the pediatrician since we have an appointment to talk to her

about his diet next week.

Get this: she was asking me about his calcium intake and I told her

that he also get breast milk once a day or so, she said to me " well,

that has carbohydrates in it. " So I said to her " yes, but it's a lot

less than a bowl of pasta, now isn't it? " Can you believe that? I

don't have a lot of trust in this so-called nutritionists. They have

told my friend that she should wean her 14 month old daughter because

she is small for her age (and so are both of the parents, so go

figure!).

Anyway, I'm just going to try to get as many articles I can from your

website to back up what I'm saying. I'm not going to tell her what

the source is. She can do her own research! As I said to ,

I don't want to be too antagonistic in case social services are

involved.

Yes, the deep breaths are helping!

Thanks,

>

> Hi . First of all children are simply human beings in

smaller

> bodies, and that's the only difference!

>

> What " right " does she have, when his pediatrician approved of his

> diet? I'd go into the attack mode now!!! Ask her for her detailed

> job description and " copies " of laws or regulations that allow her

to

> meddle like this. Put the ball back into her court, not yours.

>

> Does that witch know that scientific studies are lies, and that

they

> twist facts and manipulate them, etc. just to sell drugs and food

> industry junk?

>

> Anyway it is a medical fact that 58% of protein and 10% of fat turn

> into glucose inside the body, and that only 1 teaspoon of glucose

is

> circulating throughout the body at any given time, that the brain

is

> 70-80% fat (which is where the pituatary is located which controls

> growth) and that the body runs more efficiently off of " good " fats

> rather than carbs which tax the body's resources. She can confirm

it

> herself in medical texts. Have her prove that these facts " are

not "

> true. Don't take this on yourself by providing her with what she

> asks. I wouldn't have given them a list of his supplements either.

>

> Take deep breaths my dear. Get back to me right away.

>

> Lots of prayers & support always,

> Bee

>

[Guest guest]

Dang.... I hope the United States doesn't go so far into socialism

where they become like Europe in this case. I can't believe some

dietician is poking her nose into your business like that!! You

shouldn't have to get permission to feed your kid however you want

to!! This is pretty scary....

Does Europe allow home schooling??? Probably not.

Doug

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Without being evasive, I'd give her as little info as possible. He

only eats one meal a day there, correct? How off the scale can that

meal be? Protein and vegetables. That's hardly child abuse. Act

like they're the one's off their rocker. Don't tell them anything

about how or why your family is eating this way. It's none of their

business. Your child is clean, well fed, happy (I'm assuming lol )

I'm sure your house is safe and you don't have rats or rotting food

all over the place. So let them bring it on. Jeez. The world is

heading towards low carb all over the place. Restaurants, wholistic

nutritionists. Don't act guilty. You're not doing anything wrong.

And what kind of dietician uses the argument that breast milk has

carbs in it. Honestly. For one, your breast milk is uniquely perfect

for your child. Nature is so perfect that when your child is sick,

your body will begin to make milk that will help him recover. That's

how strong you and your child's bond is. It is perfectly balanced

food for your offspring. It's food made and prepared by humans that

screws up the balance and all these so called experts telling us what

to eat is making us sicker and sicker. Simple and provided in it's

most natural form is best. For my second point, now that I've used

the word " perfect " too many times,lol, no one is saying no carbs.

There are carbs in vegetables and that's sufficient. You don't need

as much as dieticians would have you eat. Is she honestly going to

try to say pasta is better than vegetables or breast milk for that

matter.

I wouldn't offer any more info to them and only answer briefly without

elaborating, any of their questions. It' s insane the way the world

is. It's made it darn near impossible to be a stay at home mom, so

that you don't have to be scrutinized by all these people that would

have you believe that their " credentials " gives them more knowledge

about your own child than you have. That's messed up!!

On 25-Sep-08, at 1:45 PM, hjacksic wrote:

> Hi Bee, sorry I was in class all afternoon.

>

> That's what I think, too. She needs to explain to me what right she

> has asking me all these questions. I just wrote a message to

> saying that I think that social services may have gotten

> involved and that's why they are after me. I only told her the

> vitamins I give my son because I thought she was calling on request

> from the pediatrician since we have an appointment to talk to her

> about his diet next week.

>

> Get this: she was asking me about his calcium intake and I told her

> that he also get breast milk once a day or so, she said to me " well,

> that has carbohydrates in it. " So I said to her " yes, but it's a lot

> less than a bowl of pasta, now isn't it? " Can you believe that? I

> don't have a lot of trust in this so-called nutritionists. They have

> told my friend that she should wean her 14 month old daughter because

> she is small for her age (and so are both of the parents, so go

> figure!).

>

> Anyway, I'm just going to try to get as many articles I can from your

> website to back up what I'm saying. I'm not going to tell her what

> the source is. She can do her own research! As I said to ,

> I don't want to be too antagonistic in case social services are

> involved.

>

> Yes, the deep breaths are helping!

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi . First of all children are simply human beings in

> smaller

> > bodies, and that's the only difference!

> >

> > What " right " does she have, when his pediatrician approved of his

> > diet? I'd go into the attack mode now!!! Ask her for her detailed

> > job description and " copies " of laws or regulations that allow her

> to

> > meddle like this. Put the ball back into her court, not yours.

> >

> > Does that witch know that scientific studies are lies, and that

> they

> > twist facts and manipulate them, etc. just to sell drugs and food

> > industry junk?

> >

> > Anyway it is a medical fact that 58% of protein and 10% of fat turn

> > into glucose inside the body, and that only 1 teaspoon of glucose

> is

> > circulating throughout the body at any given time, that the brain

> is

> > 70-80% fat (which is where the pituatary is located which controls

> > growth) and that the body runs more efficiently off of " good " fats

> > rather than carbs which tax the body's resources. She can confirm

> it

> > herself in medical texts. Have her prove that these facts " are

> not "

> > true. Don't take this on yourself by providing her with what she

> > asks. I wouldn't have given them a list of his supplements either.

> >

> > Take deep breaths my dear. Get back to me right away.

> >

> > Lots of prayers & support always,

> > Bee

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Nithya,

Yes, please! If your prof has any studies I would love to have

them. I really want to arm myself with as much scientific proof as I

can (even though I'd like to tell them to shove it!). Since I don't

want to antagonize them as I'm afraid of what might happen, I pretty

much have to do what they ask. The dietician actually asked me

specifically to give her some studies, which is just so frustrating.

Like I have time to do the research for that. Isn't that her job?

It's as if they want to keep kids unhealthy, which is sick and

twisted.

I'm glad that I started this diet in the summer when there was no

class so I didn't have to try to figure it all and go through the

worst die-off as and I was getting used to the diet. You might want

to slow down on how much coconut oil you take so your die-off

symptoms aren't so bad during exams and you can concentrate. It's

not a race, so just go slow.

>

> Dear ,

>

> My prayers are with you. It must already be so difficult trying to

> maintain kids on this diet, without someone else interfering like

> this! But I understand what you are going through to an extent. I

> have told some of my friends about this diet and many of them shun

> it, sometimes it is hard to even get my parents to appreciate all

> components of the diet and to understand that it is not ok for me

to

> eat rice, even once at week.

>

> However rest assured I am a medical student and I actually asked

one

> of my professors whether there are any dangers associated with

eating

> a low carb and high fat diet. She said that no there wasn't as long

> as you consume enough protein, which gets converted into glucose in

> the body in the absence of carbohydrates. The only thing that you

> have to keep in mind is that you should keep your son's meals

regular

> because unlike carbohydrates, proteins take longer for the body to

> break down into glucose. Hence if hes skips a meal and then eats

> accrding to Bee's diet he won't be able to replenish his energy as

> quickly as he won't if he eat a large amount of carbohydrates. But

> the think with carbohydrates is that his energy will quickly be

> sapped as well!

>

> Anyway my professor went on to state that a high protein diet is

what

> cave men and other early humans survived on and that it should not

> interfer with brain function. I hope this help to ressure you. If

you

> would like I can ask my professor for some scientific information

> that the diet Bee recommends is safe.

>

> Let me know

> With best wishes and hugs,

> Nithya

>

> p.s and trust me I know what you me when you say that you are

> exhausted and overwhelmed. I also have exams coming up and I just

> can't concentrate on my studies with al of my die-off symptomes!

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, , this is all just so ridiculous that I can barely

believe that I'm having to deal with this.

Funny how that I've been trying to get an appointment to see a

pediatrician to get to the bottom of my son's issues and I get

nothing, but as soon as I try to do something on my own, they are all

over me like a cheap suit. Makes you wonder who they are working for.

I don't even care anymore. I don't even want them touching my kid.

I know I'm on the right track now and I know that he is going to be

healthy on this diet.

Thanks for all your comments about the breast milk. I just can't

believe that she had the nerve to say that to me. Well, it's

actually very revealing about her and what she knows about health, so

I can at least feel confident that I know more about true health than

she ever could. All she seemed to care about were her precious

studies. I'd bet I could challenge her and she wouldn't know what

the heck I was even talking about.

Well, anyway, I should go and get working on my paper for school.

I'm writing about how direct-to-consumer advertising of

pharmaceutical drugs affects patients and physicians. Very

interesting stuff!

Take care,

> > >

> > > Hi . First of all children are simply human beings in

> > smaller

> > > bodies, and that's the only difference!

> > >

> > > What " right " does she have, when his pediatrician approved of

his

> > > diet? I'd go into the attack mode now!!! Ask her for her

detailed

> > > job description and " copies " of laws or regulations that allow

her

> > to

> > > meddle like this. Put the ball back into her court, not yours.

> > >

> > > Does that witch know that scientific studies are lies, and that

> > they

> > > twist facts and manipulate them, etc. just to sell drugs and

food

> > > industry junk?

> > >

> > > Anyway it is a medical fact that 58% of protein and 10% of fat

turn

> > > into glucose inside the body, and that only 1 teaspoon of

glucose

> > is

> > > circulating throughout the body at any given time, that the

brain

> > is

> > > 70-80% fat (which is where the pituatary is located which

controls

> > > growth) and that the body runs more efficiently off of " good "

fats

> > > rather than carbs which tax the body's resources. She can

confirm

> > it

> > > herself in medical texts. Have her prove that these facts " are

> > not "

> > > true. Don't take this on yourself by providing her with what she

> > > asks. I wouldn't have given them a list of his supplements

either.

> > >

> > > Take deep breaths my dear. Get back to me right away.

> > >

> > > Lots of prayers & support always,

> > > Bee

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

This whole thing is UNBELIEVABLE!!! The daycare crossed the line by giving

your name and phone # to the dietician. Your privacy should be protected and

boy, would I not let this go. Is it possible for you or your husband to

rearrange your schedules so that he wouldn't have to go to daycare? This problem

is

going to be hard to deal with in any daycare. Or maybe someone can come in

your home and care for him? I would have a hard time trusting just anyone with

my child though.

You said you would have the same problem with the food issue in elementary

school too. I don't think so as you could just pack his lunch and since there

are so many children in the cafeteria, what he's eating wouldn't be a problem.

Or is he going to a private small school?

I am sorry they are putting you through all this. They should be

questioning all the other kids' diet's with all the crap being fed to them!

Most

nutritionists don't really know about proper nutrition anyways.

Tammy

A funny thing happened (well, funny and not so funny) today when I

dropped off my son at daycare. I don't want to rock the boat over

there, so I asked her as sweetly as I could manage (not an easy

task!!!) how it was possible that the dietician got my phone number

and my son's name if the kitchen staff spoke to her anonymously. Her

eyes were as big as saucers and her jaw hit the floor! All she could

was shrug. I did not take my eyes off her.

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[Guest guest]

Hi! Just wanted to chime in with my support for you here.

Must be horrible for you having to confront this. Its enough of a

battle with people criticising you for putting yourself on this diet,

let alone questioning you for putting your child on this diet. When I

went through a recent spate of die-off I had so many people trying to

tell me the food and supplements were just making me SICKER! HAHA well

sorry but i showed them when I started feeling better! Some people just

dont get it, and to be quite honest, if I never had any health problems

my whole life I might not get it either!

I trully beleive that its only a matter of time before the wider

community gets in touch with what REALLY contributes to better health.

Unfortunately for the time being, we must be trail blazers. You have

your sons best interests at heart and you will be helping him in the

long term more than this crazy lady can ever understand!

She has no right to question you. Stick to your instincts, NO one knows

whats best for you and your family except you.

Sending you happy healing thoughts and strength!!

Amber

[Guest guest]

Thanks Amber!

I am finding the die-off symptoms very difficult to explain. My son

had chronic diarrhea for 6 months prior to starting this diet and it

completely went away for the first 2 months or so. But now he is

having die-off diarrhea which is much different than what he was

having before (I know having been there, done that!). But the

teachers keep questioning me as to why he is having diarrhea with no

tummy ache. It's been going on for about 3 weeks now (but I think

it's letting up a bit) and I just have no answers for them that they

will understand, so I just keep shrugging my shoulders.

A funny thing happened (well, funny and not so funny) today when I

dropped off my son at daycare. I don't want to rock the boat over

there, so I asked her as sweetly as I could manage (not an easy

task!!!) how it was possible that the dietician got my phone number

and my son's name if the kitchen staff spoke to her anonymously. Her

eyes were as big as saucers and her jaw hit the floor! All she could

was shrug. I did not take my eyes off her.

Well, okay then... I think it was clear to her that I think she is a

liar and will not easily comply to her requests in future. It was

good. I felt justified in dealing with this subtly, rather than

being defensive. I think they know I mean business.

I, too, hope that one day everyone will wake up and realize that food

is the only way to perfect health. My grandparents were big

believers in natural health and whole foods, but then they were born

in 1886 and 1901 so it stands to reason. They lived to 100 and 94

years of age respectively. I still have some of my gramma's old

books on reflexology and medicinal plants. They are practically

falling apart, but I love having them around me.

Okay, I got off on a bit of a tangent there...

Thanks again for your support. It is much appreciated.

Take care,

(a fellow trail blazer!)

>

> Hi! Just wanted to chime in with my support for you here.

>

> Must be horrible for you having to confront this. Its enough of a

> battle with people criticising you for putting yourself on this

diet,

> let alone questioning you for putting your child on this diet. When

I

> went through a recent spate of die-off I had so many people trying

to

> tell me the food and supplements were just making me SICKER! HAHA

well

> sorry but i showed them when I started feeling better! Some people

just

> dont get it, and to be quite honest, if I never had any health

problems

> my whole life I might not get it either!

>

> I trully beleive that its only a matter of time before the wider

> community gets in touch with what REALLY contributes to better

health.

> Unfortunately for the time being, we must be trail blazers. You

have

> your sons best interests at heart and you will be helping him in

the

> long term more than this crazy lady can ever understand!

>

> She has no right to question you. Stick to your instincts, NO one

knows

> whats best for you and your family except you.

>

> Sending you happy healing thoughts and strength!!

> Amber

>

[Guest guest]

Oh My!!!

I didn't know this about Sweden. I sure feel for you . I'm curious.

What is a typical lunch they serve for the other children in daycare? Just

wondering if it's as bad as the US.

Tammy

You would expect that a parent could send their own lunch with their

child, but unfortunately, that is not the case in this country

(Sweden) - at all schools, private and public, everywhere. The only

solution is to have a doctor's note stating that he needs to be on a

certain diet and under the law, the school must comply. We have two

letters, one from a doctor who is currently doing research on the

effects of a high fat low carb on diabetes and obesity, and another

from his pediatrician. For some reason, both of these letters is not

enough.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Tammy,

Yes, I believed they crossed the line. I'm still trying to figure

out a civil way of doing this. As much as I would love to go over

there and give them a piece of my mind, I'm afraid it would only fuel

their beliefs that I'm a crazy lady! So, I'm trying to work out a

more effective way to deal with them.

You would expect that a parent could send their own lunch with their

child, but unfortunately, that is not the case in this country

(Sweden) - at all schools, private and public, everywhere. The only

solution is to have a doctor's note stating that he needs to be on a

certain diet and under the law, the school must comply. We have two

letters, one from a doctor who is currently doing research on the

effects of a high fat low carb on diabetes and obesity, and another

from his pediatrician. For some reason, both of these letters is not

enough.

Neither my husband nor I can rearrange our schedules, unless of

course, I drop out of school. I've been tossing that idea around

again with this new development, but like I said I would just have to

go through this all again when he goes to elementary school.

Oh and homeschooling is not an option here either (it's illegal), so

he will eventually have to go to school.

You wrote:

They should be questioning all the other kids' diet's with all the

crap being fed to them! Most nutritionists don't really know about

proper nutrition anyways.

That's exactly how I feel! It seems totally normal for kids to load

up on cakes and candies and the nutritionists don't seem to have a

problem with that. Why aren't they out there attacking those

parents? Instead, let's focus on the mom who feeds her kid 3 organic

eggs for breakfast along with some fresh peppers and tomato. He eats

ground moosemeat for dinner. We also buy organic vegetables as much

as possible.

The nutritionist kept insinuating that my son couldn't possibly

follow this diet because it's too hard. They had two parties at

school last week with ice cream and they fed him vegetables while all

his classmates ate in front of him. I think that takes a lot

discipline for a 3 year old to endure, but he did it. (I also think

it's a bit cruel as well).

This nutritionist obviously had no idea what a carb was since she

said he isn't getting any at all. My son, who will sneak the

brocolli and cauliflower when we're not looking, not getting any

carbs at all. right!

The more you guys on this board support me, the stronger I feel to

deal with these clueless people, so thank you very much.

Take care,

>

>

> Hi ,

> This whole thing is UNBELIEVABLE!!! The daycare crossed the line by

giving

> your name and phone # to the dietician. Your privacy should be

protected and

> boy, would I not let this go. Is it possible for you or your

husband to

> rearrange your schedules so that he wouldn't have to go to daycare?

This problem is

> going to be hard to deal with in any daycare. Or maybe someone can

come in

> your home and care for him? I would have a hard time trusting just

anyone with

> my child though.

> You said you would have the same problem with the food issue in

elementary

> school too. I don't think so as you could just pack his lunch and

since there

> are so many children in the cafeteria, what he's eating wouldn't be

a problem.

> Or is he going to a private small school?

> I am sorry they are putting you through all this. They should be

> questioning all the other kids' diet's with all the crap being

fed to them! Most

> nutritionists don't really know about proper nutrition anyways.

>

> Tammy

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Nithya,

>

> Yes, please! If your prof has any studies I would love to have

> them. I really want to arm myself with as much scientific proof as

I

> can (even though I'd like to tell them to shove it!). Since I

don't

> want to antagonize them as I'm afraid of what might happen, I

pretty

> much have to do what they ask. The dietician actually asked me

> specifically to give her some studies, which is just so

frustrating.

> Like I have time to do the research for that. Isn't that her job?

> It's as if they want to keep kids unhealthy, which is sick and

> twisted.

>

> I'm glad that I started this diet in the summer when there was no

> class so I didn't have to try to figure it all and go through the

> worst die-off as and I was getting used to the diet. You might

want

> to slow down on how much coconut oil you take so your die-off

> symptoms aren't so bad during exams and you can concentrate. It's

> not a race, so just go slow.

>

>

Hey ,

Certainly, no problem, I will ask my professor and see if she has any

info and get back to you. Oh, by the way how are you finding it being

on this diet and trying to study? Do you still expereince die-off

symptomes? I will go slow with the coconut oil, but do you think that

I can carry on with the rest of the diet whilst trying to study for

exams? Do you recommend that I shouldn't follow any part of it atm

because of study? I don't mind if I get any symptome other then a

clouded and foggy head! I just can't deal with it right now!.

With regards,

Nithya

[Guest guest]

Hi Nithya,

I'm also writing an exam next week. I'm just trying to take it easy

right now with the coconut oil. I was up to 6 Tbsp./day and was

about to add another antifungal, but at that level I started having

weird tightness in the area around the " adam's apple " which is a

little concerning because it felt like I was choking all the time.

That and the added stress of exams and now this situation with the

dietician and I've backed off on the coconut oil a bit and on the egg

drink which gives me a lot of die-off. It's not necessary to have

really bad die-off every day.

Bee suggested to in another posting to have a liquid diet when

under stress. I've been doing this for 2 days now, making soups with

my bone broths, and I really feel good. You can easily make bone

broths because after the initial work, it just simmers on the stove

for a couple of days (yes, days!!!). You can find the recipes on

Bee's site. I then use the broth to make soup with meats and

veggies, just so it's heartier. Of course, it's really delicious

with coconut oil it! Then you can take it to school with you in a

thermos or glass jar. It's really very convenient and can be quite

filling, actually. You could make up big batches on the weekend and

freeze it in smaller containers. I'm simmering moose ribs right now!

Like I said, it's not a race, so go slowly. You don't have to meet

Bee's exact deadline of getting all the way up to 6 Tbsp. of coconut

oil in a month. I started the diet in June and have just now gotten

up to 6 Tbsp. She would probably tell you herself that you don't

gain anything from suffering a lot of die-off. Definitely carry on

with the rest of the diet while you are studying and doing exams,

just cut back a little on the coconut oil so you aren't suffering too

much. It's a little hard to juggle the diet and school, but I just

try to do what I can. I think that the food is most important, so I

focus on that. I found that even after only a couple of weeks fully

on the diet (with minimal coconut oil), my brain fog cleared up a

lot. I hope that is the case for you, too.

I'm really looking forward to hearing what your professor has to

say. I've already started arming myself with some information, but

it would good to hear what others who are not doing the program have

to say about this type of diet as well because the dietician has no

clue what a healing diet is.

It will get easier to follow a rhythm on this diet as time goes on

and you figure out your way. I think that's why were all trying to

encourage you to just start it before when you were asking all the

questions.

Take care,

> >

>

> Hey ,

>

> Certainly, no problem, I will ask my professor and see if she has

any

> info and get back to you. Oh, by the way how are you finding it

being

> on this diet and trying to study? Do you still expereince die-off

> symptomes? I will go slow with the coconut oil, but do you think

that

> I can carry on with the rest of the diet whilst trying to study for

> exams? Do you recommend that I shouldn't follow any part of it atm

> because of study? I don't mind if I get any symptome other then a

> clouded and foggy head! I just can't deal with it right now!.

>

> With regards,

> Nithya

>

[Guest guest]

>

> However rest assured I am a medical student and I actually asked

one of my professors whether there are any dangers associated with

eating a low carb and high fat diet. She said that no there wasn't as

long as you consume enough protein, which gets converted into glucose

in the body in the absence of carbohydrates. The only thing that you

have to keep in mind is that you should keep your son's meals

regular because unlike carbohydrates, proteins take longer for the

body to break down into glucose. Hence if hes skips a meal and then

eats accrding to Bee's diet he won't be able to replenish his energy

as quickly as he won't if he eat a large amount of carbohydrates. But

> the think with carbohydrates is that his energy will quickly be

> sapped as well!

Hi Nithya. You may be missing some information, which is " that good

fats " (they all work together) on my program makes the body switch

from running on carbs to running on good fats instead. So the source

of energy is mainly supplied by fats, instead of carbs/glucose, along

with other co-factor nutrients of course.

There is only about 1 teaspoon of glucose circulating throughout the

body at any given time, which is an extremely small amount, therefore

the body requires a very small of glucose. Therefore, I don't think

it is critical to always obtain all of the foods (fats, proteins, low

carbs) exactly with every single meal, however it is helpful.

Dr. Weston A. Price was able to greatly improve children's health

with only 1 nutritious meal 6 days a week, along with 1/2 teaspoon of

high vitamin cod liver oil and 1/2 teaspoon of butter oil per day, at

a Mission back in the 1930s. He documents this, with photos, in his

book " Nutrition and Physical Degeneration. " The rest of the

childrens' meals were horrible, since they came from very poor

families, and they didn't get hardly any protein; their diet was

mostly pancakes with syrup and coffee with sugar outside of the

Mission.

Cheers, Bee

[Guest guest]

WOW! I am impressed to say the least. That's a far cry from the US schools.

Tammy

The lunches are actually very good if you follow the typical food

guide. Everything is made from scratch and a typical day would be

curried chicken with brown rice or fish and potatoes. One day a week

the kitchen bakes homemade bread and soup. Morning snack is fruit

and afternoon snack is usually cheese on bread with peppers and

tomatoes. Each school and daycare has its own kitchen where the food

is prepared so it's fresh.

I can't really fault the schools. I think they are doing their best

to provide " balanced " nutrition, plus they accomodate every kid with

food " allergies " and make a vegetarian option every day. They do

allow parents to bring in a treat if it's their kid's birthday or if

it's their last day. If I were a parent who followed the

typical " balanced " , I would absolutely love it because in all honesty

the food itself is really good. It's just that their information is

wrong.

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>

> Hi Bee, sorry I was in class all afternoon.

>

> That's what I think, too. She needs to explain to me what right

she

> has asking me all these questions. I just wrote a message to

> saying that I think that social services may have gotten

> involved and that's why they are after me. I only told her the

> vitamins I give my son because I thought she was calling on request

> from the pediatrician since we have an appointment to talk to her

> about his diet next week.

+++I read your message to .

>

> Get this: she was asking me about his calcium intake and I told

her that he also get breast milk once a day or so, she said to

me " well, that has carbohydrates in it. " So I said to her " yes, but

it's a lot less than a bowl of pasta, now isn't it? " Can you believe

that? I don't have a lot of trust in this so-called nutritionists.

+++Yes, I believe it. Most nutritionists don't have a clue!

>They have told my friend that she should wean her 14 month old

daughter because she is small for her age (and so are both of the

parents, so go figure!).

+++How insane is that!!

>

> Anyway, I'm just going to try to get as many articles I can from

your website to back up what I'm saying. I'm not going to tell her

what the source is. She can do her own research! As I said to

, I don't want to be too antagonistic in case social services

are involved.

+++It is very wise of you to not be antagonistic. You might try to

ask the nutritionist a question to make her think, like:

" What did our ancestors eat to survive, without our modern foods, and

diets followed today? "

If she says they didn't have as long of a life-span, give her this

article:

" Are We Really Living Longer?

An astute member has sent us some interesting statistics about

centenarians. From a video segment recently aired on Nova, we learn

that only one in 10,000 Americans will live to age 100. US census

data indicates that in 1990, there were an estimated 37,306

centenarians out of 248,709,873 or one in 6,721 people. According to

numbers compiled at the University of Virginia, in 1830 there were

2,600 centenarians out of 12,866,020 people, or one in 4,956, more

than twice as many as a percentage of the population than there are

today. So much for assurances that this generation will live longer

than ever. "

It's one of the articles at this link:

http://www.westonaprice.org/causticcommentary/caustic-commentary-

2007sp.html

+++If I think of anything else to help you, I'll be sure to write.

>

> Yes, the deep breaths are helping!

+++That's good .

Luv & Prayers, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Dang.... I hope the United States doesn't go so far into socialism

> where they become like Europe in this case. I can't believe some

> dietician is poking her nose into your business like that!! You

> shouldn't have to get permission to feed your kid however you want

> to!! This is pretty scary....

>

> Does Europe allow home schooling??? Probably not.

Hi Doug. The United States is going socialist as well as many other

countries. If the " powers that be " get their way they will impose

worldwide Codex on all countries, making it illegal to eat good foods

that haven't been pasteurized, irradiated, etc., and illegal to take

herbs and supplements, except with a doctor's perscription.

A lot of countries do not allow home schooling, including Sweden

where now lives. Some countries are taking kids aways from

parents because the parents home school. It's insane and sick!

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Nithya,

>

> Yes, please! If your prof has any studies I would love to have

> them. I really want to arm myself with as much scientific proof as

I can (even though I'd like to tell them to shove it!). Since I

don't want to antagonize them as I'm afraid of what might happen, I

pretty much have to do what they ask. The dietician actually asked

me specifically to give her some studies, which is just so

frustrating.

+++. Here's the resources, which will include scientific

studies: http://www.westonaprice.org/children/index.html

This is about Enig, who, along with Sally Fallon, run the Weston

A. Price Foundation:

G. Enig, Ph.D. is an expert of >>>>note: international renown in

the field of lipid biochemistry. She has headed a number of studies

on the content and effects of trans fatty acids in America and

Israel, and has successfully challenged government assertions that

dietary animal fat causes cancer and heart disease. Recent scientific

and media attention on the possible adverse health effects of trans

fatty acids has brought increased attention to her work. She is a

licensed nutritionist, certified by the Certification Board for

Nutrition Specialists, a qualified expert witness, nutrition

consultant to individuals, industry and state and federal

governments, contributing editor to a number of scientific

publications, Fellow of the American College of Nutrition and

President of the land Nutritionists Association. She is the

author of over 60 technical papers and presentations, as well as a

popular lecturer. Dr. Enig is currently working on the exploratory

development of an adjunct therapy for AIDS using complete medium

chain saturated fatty acids from whole foods. She is the mother of

three healthy children brought up on whole foods including butter,

cream, eggs and meat.

Also here's other references you can use:

http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/skinny.html

http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/import_sat_fat.html

She'll be stumped by this article about fats, since she probably

won't be able to understand it, but it is impressive because it

refers to medically-known facts about the 2 fat pathways in the body:

http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/tripping.html

This is a great article full of scientific studies, called " What

Causes Heart Disease? " ;

http://www.westonaprice.org/moderndiseases/hd.html

Here's a great article about grains:

http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/be_kind.html

This is about sugar:

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/103/3/e26

This is a study about the effects of hyperglycemia and cognitive

performance:

http://care.diabetesjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/28/1/71

, possibly you should refer the nutritionist to

www.westonaprice.org They have a lot of articles with scientific

studies included in them. You could search on their site for

subjects that concern the nutritionist most, or search on the

internet for studies by using searched like: scientific studies+white

flour.

Maybe you can find the studies referred to in this article about

carbs, white flour, sugars, etc.:

http://www.naturalnews.com/001812.html

Or write to that website to get the reference.

Also Dr. Mercola will site a number of scientific studies:

www.mercola.com

Luv, Bee

[Guest guest]

, can you move your son to another day care where they might

not have the type of nutritionist at the current one, or who are more

lenient and understanding about foods in spite of the rules?

Bee

>

> Yes, , this is all just so ridiculous that I can barely

> believe that I'm having to deal with this.

>

> Funny how that I've been trying to get an appointment to see a

> pediatrician to get to the bottom of my son's issues and I get

> nothing, but as soon as I try to do something on my own, they are

all

> over me like a cheap suit. Makes you wonder who they are working

for.

>

> I don't even care anymore. I don't even want them touching my

kid.

> I know I'm on the right track now and I know that he is going to be

> healthy on this diet.

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much, Bee! These studies will be very helpful. I can't

wait to read it all.

>

>> +++. Here's the resources, which will include scientific

> studies: http://www.westonaprice.org/children/index.html

>

> This is about Enig, who, along with Sally Fallon, run the

Weston

> A. Price Foundation:

>

> G. Enig, Ph.D. is an expert of >>>>note: international renown

in

> the field of lipid biochemistry. She has headed a number of studies

> on the content and effects of trans fatty acids in America and

> Israel, and has successfully challenged government assertions that

> dietary animal fat causes cancer and heart disease. Recent

scientific

> and media attention on the possible adverse health effects of trans

> fatty acids has brought increased attention to her work. She is a

> licensed nutritionist, certified by the Certification Board for

> Nutrition Specialists, a qualified expert witness, nutrition

> consultant to individuals, industry and state and federal

> governments, contributing editor to a number of scientific

> publications, Fellow of the American College of Nutrition and

> President of the land Nutritionists Association. She is the

> author of over 60 technical papers and presentations, as well as a

> popular lecturer. Dr. Enig is currently working on the exploratory

> development of an adjunct therapy for AIDS using complete medium

> chain saturated fatty acids from whole foods. She is the mother of

> three healthy children brought up on whole foods including butter,

> cream, eggs and meat.

>

> Also here's other references you can use:

> http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/skinny.html

> http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/import_sat_fat.html

>

> She'll be stumped by this article about fats, since she probably

> won't be able to understand it, but it is impressive because it

> refers to medically-known facts about the 2 fat pathways in the

body:

> http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/tripping.html

>

> This is a great article full of scientific studies, called " What

> Causes Heart Disease? " ;

> http://www.westonaprice.org/moderndiseases/hd.html

>

> Here's a great article about grains:

> http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/be_kind.html

>

> This is about sugar:

> http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/103/3/e26

>

> This is a study about the effects of hyperglycemia and cognitive

> performance:

> http://care.diabetesjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/28/1/71

>

> , possibly you should refer the nutritionist to

> www.westonaprice.org They have a lot of articles with scientific

> studies included in them. You could search on their site for

> subjects that concern the nutritionist most, or search on the

> internet for studies by using searched like: scientific

studies+white

> flour.

>

> Maybe you can find the studies referred to in this article about

> carbs, white flour, sugars, etc.:

> http://www.naturalnews.com/001812.html

>

> Or write to that website to get the reference.

>

> Also Dr. Mercola will site a number of scientific studies:

> www.mercola.com

>

> Luv, Bee

>