Re: Bee, please help me. I need scientific evidence.

[Guest guest]

The lunches are actually very good if you follow the typical food

guide. Everything is made from scratch and a typical day would be

curried chicken with brown rice or fish and potatoes. One day a week

the kitchen bakes homemade bread and soup. Morning snack is fruit

and afternoon snack is usually cheese on bread with peppers and

tomatoes. Each school and daycare has its own kitchen where the food

is prepared so it's fresh.

I can't really fault the schools. I think they are doing their best

to provide " balanced " nutrition, plus they accomodate every kid with

food " allergies " and make a vegetarian option every day. They do

allow parents to bring in a treat if it's their kid's birthday or if

it's their last day. If I were a parent who followed the

typical " balanced " , I would absolutely love it because in all honesty

the food itself is really good. It's just that their information is

wrong.

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>

> Oh My!!!

> I didn't know this about Sweden. I sure feel for you . I'm

curious.

> What is a typical lunch they serve for the other children in

daycare? Just

> wondering if it's as bad as the US.

>

> Tammy

>

> You would expect that a parent could send their own lunch with

their

> child, but unfortunately, that is not the case in this country

> (Sweden) - at all schools, private and public, everywhere. The

only

> solution is to have a doctor's note stating that he needs to be on

a

> certain diet and under the law, the school must comply. We have

two

> letters, one from a doctor who is currently doing research on the

> effects of a high fat low carb on diabetes and obesity, and

another

> from his pediatrician. For some reason, both of these letters is

not

> enough.

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[Guest guest]

Okay, okay, okay... I'm starting to feel really guilty for Sweden-

bashing. Before I totally piss off the Swedes on this board, I'd

like to set the record straight.

I actually really do like it here. I even like socialism for the

most part. I like it that there isn't a huge gap between the haves

and the have-nots and most people live a good middle-class life. I

like that (should I need it) medical care is bascially free, except

for a $20 user fee. Now, I don't necessarily agree with the medical

model for health care, but it's really nice to know that I'm not

going to have to sell my house to pay medical bills. There is a lot

of security in knowing that that is all taken care of if I were ever

in a serious car accident or something. Also, there are private

alternative health care professionals that I can pay for myself if I

choose to go that route.

I like it that all kids have free dental and medical care from birth

to 18. It's excellent that both parents can take parental leave when

their children are born. I'm not sure how long it is, but my guess

is a year for mothers and 3 months for fathers. They can do this

without fear of loosing their jobs. Also, when they do go back to

work, women have the right work 3/4-time until their child is 8 years

old.

Everyone gets 4 weeks minimum for vacation every year, which is just

so nice. There is no homelessness and the welfare system supports

people who can't support themselves.

You have a choice to send your child to regular school, Montessori

school, Waldorf school or special " free " schools that are often

associated with a religious affiliation and you don't have to pay for

any of it. Actually education is paid for up to the master's level

in university. PhD candidates get paid to go to school. The daycare

is also fully subsitizes and geared to income. We pay approximately

$180 for the month and our son goes full-time 5 days a week.

There are lots of after-school programs for children that are great

for kids who parents are still working when the kids are done

school. Some of the ones in our area focus on nature conservation,

others in music, theatre and the arts - and it's all free!

So while I'm having this problem right now. I do like most of what

goes on here. And if we look at it from their point of view, I think

they really are just trying to look out for what is best for my son

by bringing the dietician in. I just wish they had gone about it in

a better way, you know?

If, for example, another parent was trying to get them to feed their

kid a fruit-only diet, claiming that it was really good and the

healthiest diet ever, everyone would expect the school to step in and

make sure the parents knew enough about nutrition to make this

decision for their child, so I can understand where they are coming

from. Does that make any sense? I think they are just scared

because they don't know much about *real* nutrition and the medical

model has brainwashed the system into believing in the " balanced "

food guide and everything in moderation. I think they are just

trying to cover themselves in case of liability. I guess I can see

both sides... (It's just not fun when I'm the weird parent with

the " radical " diet!)

Hope that makes sense,

> >

> > Dang.... I hope the United States doesn't go so far into

socialism

> > where they become like Europe in this case. I can't believe some

> > dietician is poking her nose into your business like that!! You

> > shouldn't have to get permission to feed your kid however you

want

> > to!! This is pretty scary....

> >

> > Does Europe allow home schooling??? Probably not.

>

> Hi Doug. The United States is going socialist as well as many

other

> countries. If the " powers that be " get their way they will impose

> worldwide Codex on all countries, making it illegal to eat good

foods

> that haven't been pasteurized, irradiated, etc., and illegal to

take

> herbs and supplements, except with a doctor's perscription.

>

> A lot of countries do not allow home schooling, including Sweden

> where now lives. Some countries are taking kids aways from

> parents because the parents home school. It's insane and sick!

>

> Bee

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, ,

This discussion is exciting…sorry, though, it's at your expense.

Just thought of something—I might ask why are they providing

vegetarian meals?

There is lots of evidence that a vegetarian diet, particularly the

vegan (no animal products at all) is damaging—

http://www.westonaprice.org/mythstruths/mtvegetarianism.html (link

from Bee's site)

And why are they discriminating against your son, whose doctor has

prescribed this diet for him?!

I would also ask the " nutritionist " to please provide you with

studies that prove that the high-fat, low carb diet is UNhealthy.

I don't know if you can get this book, but " Life Without Bread " by

Wolfgang Lutz and Christian Allan is an easy read, and provides the

research of Dr. Lutz—40 years, 10,000 patients documented, that he

put on the high-fat, low-carb diet.

It was originally published in German, and just published in English

around 2000.

English—American Amazon site—

http://www.amazon.com/Life-Without-Bread-Christian-

Allan/dp/0658001701/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?

ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1222470413 & sr=8-1

Don't know if your nutrition lady reads German easier than English,

but here's from the German Amazon site.

http://www.amazon.de/Leben-ohne-Brot-wissenschaftlichen-

kohlenhydratarmen/dp/3887601009

I don't know Swedish, but you could look " locally " translating the

English title. It's word-for-word from the German. ( I hope I am

not giving you too much info; if so, I'm sorry.)

There is now plenty of evidence that the high-carb craze has done

nothing but damage our health, and there is no reason in the world

that the medical community should still be preaching low-fat. Hang

in there—you're in a lot of the group members' prayers.

Hugs,

Rhe

[Guest guest]

Hi Rhe,

I'm glad I can entertain you! LOL!!!

It's getting easier for me to handle. After my initial freak-out,

I've calmed down a bit. The post I wrote about how much I like other

things here (and I even thought about more as the night went on last

night) helped me a lot. As I said, I do think they are trying to

look out for my son's best interest, it's just that they did it in a

really bad way and they are sadly very uneducated (much like the

medical profession in the rest of the industrialized world).

I could be having a similar fight elsewhere. For example, my friend

back home in Canada was told she would be banned from bringing her

kids to the pediatrician's office if she didn't vaccinate them. So

the ignorance is everywhere, I think, not just here.

Thanks for the links to those books. I might even try to get the

English one from the university library. I can also check for the

Swedish version. She can buy her own!

Thanks for all your thoughts and prayers. I really believe it's

helping me.

>

> Hi, ,

> This discussion is exciting…sorry, though, it's at your expense.

>

> Just thought of something—I might ask why are they providing

> vegetarian meals?

>

> There is lots of evidence that a vegetarian diet, particularly the

> vegan (no animal products at all) is damaging—

> http://www.westonaprice.org/mythstruths/mtvegetarianism.html

(link

> from Bee's site)

>

> And why are they discriminating against your son, whose doctor has

> prescribed this diet for him?!

>

> I would also ask the " nutritionist " to please provide you with

> studies that prove that the high-fat, low carb diet is UNhealthy.

>

> I don't know if you can get this book, but " Life Without Bread " by

> Wolfgang Lutz and Christian Allan is an easy read, and provides the

> research of Dr. Lutz—40 years, 10,000 patients documented, that he

> put on the high-fat, low-carb diet.

>

> It was originally published in German, and just published in

English

> around 2000.

>

> English—American Amazon site—

> http://www.amazon.com/Life-Without-Bread-Christian-

> Allan/dp/0658001701/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?

> ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1222470413 & sr=8-1

>

> Don't know if your nutrition lady reads German easier than English,

> but here's from the German Amazon site.

> http://www.amazon.de/Leben-ohne-Brot-wissenschaftlichen-

> kohlenhydratarmen/dp/3887601009

> I don't know Swedish, but you could look " locally " translating the

> English title. It's word-for-word from the German. ( I hope I am

> not giving you too much info; if so, I'm sorry.)

>

> There is now plenty of evidence that the high-carb craze has done

> nothing but damage our health, and there is no reason in the world

> that the medical community should still be preaching low-fat. Hang

> in there—you're in a lot of the group members' prayers.

> Hugs,

> Rhe

>