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Inice (Did your friends call you “Inny” when you were a kid? They can be SO creative!)

The fact that it occurs in both extremities suggests and organic vs. orthopedic problem such as thoracic outlet related. For the same reason, unlikely to be a topical dermatitis like fungus. It sounds like Matt is barking up the right tree with CNS issues like MS. The list of neuro symptoms NOT related to MS is probably easier to write that the list related.

Don’t forget to think in terms of additive or compounding problems. (I.e. Food allergies adding to pollen allergies causing sxx. Therefore, remove the food allergens and TRY to combat the airborne ones.) In this case, perhaps IgG4 allergy testing might find things that make her more skin sensitive. Also certain vitamin and mineral deficiencies. Also, some healthy oils help with overall membrane integrity. Get her a quart of Udo’s Essential Oil form Flora. It tastes fine and will load her up with good oil. Take a read of Schmidt’s book “Smart Fats” for a study of good fat leaving our diet for bad ones.

Keep us posted if you have any luck.

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From: INICE MICHAEL GOUGH <goughdc@...>

Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:55:55 -0800

Oregon DC's <Oregondcs >

Subject: Intense Itching

I have a patient that is experiencing severe intense itching in her upper extremities. Doesn't respond to scratching although she does this out of desperation with very little satisfaction or relief. It doesn't appear to be superficial or skin related. Keeps her from sleeping. Doesn't respond to spinal adjustments. She's been under care for several months with great response other than this itching. She had it about a year ago and went to naturopath/homeopath, medical with no results. Finally it subsided but now it's back again. Any ideas?

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could be a nervous system disorder such as MS or some other weird neuro thing.

When my MS was full blown, I had extreme itching in my right arm. You might

have a neurologist evaluate her. MRI might not be appropriate at this point,

but I would be thinking along these lines…Any other symptoms?

Matt

Terreri, DC

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Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005

11:56 AM

Oregon DC's

Subject: Intense

Itching

I have a patient that

is experiencing severe intense itching in her upper extremities. Doesn't

respond to scratching although she does this out of desperation with very

little satisfaction or relief. It doesn't appear to be superficial or skin

related. Keeps her from sleeping. Doesn't respond to spinal adjustments.

She's been under care for several months with great response other than this

itching. She had it about a year ago and went to naturopath/homeopath, medical

with no results. Finally it subsided but now it's back again. Any ideas?

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Only thing that comes to mind is SAMe. Quick search turned up this article,

relating SAMe to cholestasis and pruritis. Might want to check to see if

the ND pursued this and/or B12 and folate (cheaper) which are upstream

precursors to the SAMe (expensive). Good luck.

SAMe Beneficial in Treating Osteoarthritis, Depression, and Liver Disease

By Darin Ingels, ND

Healthnotes Newswire (December 12, 2002)—S-Adenosyl methionine (SAMe) is a

useful treatment for several conditions, including depression,

osteoarthritis, and liver disease, according to a report issued by the

Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality, an agency of the United States

Department of Health and Human Services (2002;64:1–3). More than 100 human

studies have been published in medical journals showing that SAMe is a safe,

effective treatment and, in the cases of depression and osteoarthritis,

works as well as conventional medications.

The researchers reviewed 47 studies on depression, 14 on osteoarthritis, and

41 on liver disease. Some studies compared the effectiveness of SAMe with

conventional treatment, while others compared SAMe with a placebo. All of

the studies included in this analysis were considered to be of good quality.

In people with mild to moderate depression, SAMe produced a significant

improvement in the Hamilton Rating Scale for Depression (HAM-D) score; the

HAM-D is a questionnaire commonly used to assess the severity of depression.

SAMe treatment was significantly better than placebo and worked as well as

conventional drug therapy. Little research has been done using SAMe to treat

severe depression, so it is unknown whether SAMe would have the same

benefits as seen in mild to moderate depression.

Several studies have shown that SAMe significantly reduces pain associated

with osteoarthritis of the knee. Other benefits of SAMe include decreased

joint stiffness in the morning and improved mobility. Compared with

non-steroidal anti-inflammatory medications (for example, Advil® and

Aleve®), SAMe was found to be equally effective in reducing knee pain. No

serious adverse reactions have been reported with SAMe, whereas long-term

use of non-steroidal anti-inflammatory medications has been associated with

causing stomach ulcers and liver problems. The authors did not specifically

mention the safety of SAMe, but the individual studies show that it has an

excellent safety record. In one study, the placebo group had more side

effects than the SAMe group.

SAMe may be helpful for liver disease, if the specific problem is related to

poor flow of bile through the liver and gallbladder (called cholestasis).

Women with cholestasis due to pregnancy had significant decreases in levels

of bilirubin (the pigment in blood that can make skin look yellow),

indicating an improvement in liver function, after taking SAMe. Itching of

the skin, another sign of liver disease, also improved. Similar results were

found in individuals with cholestasis due to other types of liver disease.

While SAMe was beneficial for cholestasis, it did not work as well as

conventional treatment.

For both depression and osteoarthritis, studies have used between 600 and

1,600 mg per day. Some physicians recommend tapering down the amount of

SAMe, as symptoms improve, to a maintenance amount of 400 to 600 mg per day.

Using SAMe at the higher amounts may be cost prohibitive, since it is a

relatively expensive nutritional supplement. Nonetheless, for those who have

failed other types of treatment for these conditions, SAMe may be helpful in

achieving better health.

Darin Ingels, ND, MT (ASCP), received his bachelor’s degree from Purdue

University and his Doctorate of Naturopathic Medicine from Bastyr University

in Kenmore, WA. Dr. Ingels is the author of The Natural Pharmacist: Lowering

Cholesterol (Prima, 1999) and Natural Treatments for High Cholesterol

(Prima, 2000). He currently is in private practice at New England Family

Health Associates located in Southport, CT, where he specializes in

environmental medicine and allergies. Dr. Ingels is a regular contributor to

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own health, you should always consult with a healthcare professional.

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>From: " Matt Terreri " <mattydread@...>

>< >

>Subject: RE: Intense Itching

>Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:43:52 -0800

>

> It could be a nervous system disorder such as MS or some other

>weird neuro thing. When my MS was full blown, I had extreme itching in my

>right arm. You might have a neurologist evaluate her. MRI might not be

>appropriate at this point, but I would be thinking along these lines.Any

>other symptoms?

>

>

>

> Matt Terreri, DC

>

>

>

> _____

>

>From: [mailto: ] On

>Behalf

>Of INICE MICHAEL GOUGH

>Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 11:56 AM

>Oregon DC's

>Subject: Intense Itching

>

>

>

>I have a patient that is experiencing severe intense itching in her upper

>extremities. Doesn't respond to scratching although she does this out of

>desperation with very little satisfaction or relief. It doesn't appear to

>be

>superficial or skin related. Keeps her from sleeping. Doesn't respond to

>spinal adjustments. She's been under care for several months with great

>response other than this itching. She had it about a year ago and went to

>naturopath/homeopath, medical with no results. Finally it subsided but now

>it's back again. Any ideas?

>

>

>

>OregonDCs rules:

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>foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve

>members will be tolerated.

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>it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or

>otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his

>or

>her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.

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>

>

>

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I have found a good dose of activated charcoal over a 10-14 day period is

very effective for what Ron is describng.

Always

Danno

Intense Itching

> Dr. Gough:

>

> Can you easily write on the patient's skin with your finger nails or

> another sharp instrument, with immediate welting of the skin? If so

> you might be dealing with Dermatographia, a histomine over reaction

> that is secondary to some allergy. This is easy to do, just take

> the end of some sharp instrument and write the patients name, or

> anything else on their arm or stomach. If within the next 10 sec,

> +/- you see the raised welts, this is most likely what you are

> dealing with.

>

> Patients often think they have poisen ivy etc, because of the itch

> and welting.

>

> An otc allergy med may be helpful, or a prescription of something

> along the line of Alegra-D may do the trick. Usually this will

> control the histomine reaction within a short time and your patient

> will be able to discontinue the use of the med fairly soon.

>

> Someone else may have an idea of a natural form of a good substitute

> that may work well.

>

> Hope this helps.

>

> Grice, DC

> Albany, OR

>

>

>

>

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In a message dated 12/21/2005 1:30:35 PM US Mountain Standard Time, msmith@... writes:

now I'm sort of frightened by that occasional hot itching that I infrequently get in my arm (usually after a mile swim).

I have not read most of the replies with this thread but 2 main things come to mind : 1) Polycythemia rubra vera - commonly causes itching after exercise or hot showers. Anyting that elevates the blood count or concentration can cause this - from reasons as innoccuous as dehydration from diarrhea, or can be caused byh more serious problems like endocrine problems. 2) Primary biliary cirrhosis - inflammation of the biliary ducts, more common in women and people with autoimmune disorders. A much more serious condition. Lots of itching with this - not just with exercise or heat.

I am not sure if others mentioned these or not

Anglen

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My first reaction to the original post was that it sounded like a food or other allergy. I have been enlightened and have enjoyed the posts from all of you, shows what a great listserve this is. To be honest, now I'm sort of frightened by that occasional hot itching that I infrequently get in my arm (usually after a mile swim). I do know that the state of Chiropractic Neurology is cutting edge, and it gives me great faith in the future of our health care system to know that there's doctors like you folks out there that don't do the typical traditional medicine knee jerk diagnosis: "It's probably just ____, don't worry about it, just rub some cortisone on it and come back in a couple of years if it doesn't go away." Merry Christmas, G. , Gatti, Gatti, et. al.

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Seth Colner, D.C.Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 11:32 AMPost MessagesSubject: Fwd: Re: Intense Itching

Note: forwarded message attached.Seth Colner, DC1500 NW Bethany Blvd.Suite 135Beaverton, OR 97006(503) 645-5810

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Hello Bee and everyone,

This is not the first time this has happened to me but it was

probably the most I've been aware of it. I woke up last night

about 4 times with intense itching mostly on nose but all over my face

and body. It really affected my sleep. I'm checking to see what I

can to help myself heal from this. I want to be able to sleep deeply

at night.

Thank,

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>

> Hello Bee and everyone,

>

> This is not the first time this has happened to me but it was

> probably the most I've been aware of it. I woke up last night

> about 4 times with intense itching mostly on nose but all over my

face

> and body. It really affected my sleep. I'm checking to see what I

> can to help myself heal from this. I want to be able to sleep deeply

> at night.

>

+++Hi . Yes it would be wonderful to sleep deeply at night,

but unfortunately die-off symptoms from candida can interfere, but as

you progress they will decrease more and more.

This article explains what causes itching, and it provides treatments

you can try to help relieve the symptoms:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/treat14.php

However, these symptoms may come and go during the healing process.

The best to you, Bee

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