Guest guest Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Inice (Did your friends call you “Inny” when you were a kid? They can be SO creative!) The fact that it occurs in both extremities suggests and organic vs. orthopedic problem such as thoracic outlet related. For the same reason, unlikely to be a topical dermatitis like fungus. It sounds like Matt is barking up the right tree with CNS issues like MS. The list of neuro symptoms NOT related to MS is probably easier to write that the list related. Don’t forget to think in terms of additive or compounding problems. (I.e. Food allergies adding to pollen allergies causing sxx. Therefore, remove the food allergens and TRY to combat the airborne ones.) In this case, perhaps IgG4 allergy testing might find things that make her more skin sensitive. Also certain vitamin and mineral deficiencies. Also, some healthy oils help with overall membrane integrity. Get her a quart of Udo’s Essential Oil form Flora. It tastes fine and will load her up with good oil. Take a read of Schmidt’s book “Smart Fats” for a study of good fat leaving our diet for bad ones. Keep us posted if you have any luck. (Sign your emails). ( E. Abrahamson, D.C.) Chiropractic physician Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic 315 Second Street Lake Oswego, OR 97034 503-635-6246 Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com From: INICE MICHAEL GOUGH <goughdc@...> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:55:55 -0800 Oregon DC's <Oregondcs > Subject: Intense Itching I have a patient that is experiencing severe intense itching in her upper extremities. Doesn't respond to scratching although she does this out of desperation with very little satisfaction or relief. It doesn't appear to be superficial or skin related. Keeps her from sleeping. Doesn't respond to spinal adjustments. She's been under care for several months with great response other than this itching. She had it about a year ago and went to naturopath/homeopath, medical with no results. Finally it subsided but now it's back again. Any ideas? OregonDCs rules: 1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated. 2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name. 3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 It could be a nervous system disorder such as MS or some other weird neuro thing. When my MS was full blown, I had extreme itching in my right arm. You might have a neurologist evaluate her. MRI might not be appropriate at this point, but I would be thinking along these lines…Any other symptoms? Matt Terreri, DC From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of INICE MICHAEL GOUGH Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 11:56 AM Oregon DC's Subject: Intense Itching I have a patient that is experiencing severe intense itching in her upper extremities. Doesn't respond to scratching although she does this out of desperation with very little satisfaction or relief. It doesn't appear to be superficial or skin related. Keeps her from sleeping. Doesn't respond to spinal adjustments. She's been under care for several months with great response other than this itching. She had it about a year ago and went to naturopath/homeopath, medical with no results. Finally it subsided but now it's back again. Any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Only thing that comes to mind is SAMe. Quick search turned up this article, relating SAMe to cholestasis and pruritis. Might want to check to see if the ND pursued this and/or B12 and folate (cheaper) which are upstream precursors to the SAMe (expensive). Good luck. SAMe Beneficial in Treating Osteoarthritis, Depression, and Liver Disease By Darin Ingels, ND Healthnotes Newswire (December 12, 2002)—S-Adenosyl methionine (SAMe) is a useful treatment for several conditions, including depression, osteoarthritis, and liver disease, according to a report issued by the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality, an agency of the United States Department of Health and Human Services (2002;64:1–3). More than 100 human studies have been published in medical journals showing that SAMe is a safe, effective treatment and, in the cases of depression and osteoarthritis, works as well as conventional medications. The researchers reviewed 47 studies on depression, 14 on osteoarthritis, and 41 on liver disease. Some studies compared the effectiveness of SAMe with conventional treatment, while others compared SAMe with a placebo. All of the studies included in this analysis were considered to be of good quality. In people with mild to moderate depression, SAMe produced a significant improvement in the Hamilton Rating Scale for Depression (HAM-D) score; the HAM-D is a questionnaire commonly used to assess the severity of depression. SAMe treatment was significantly better than placebo and worked as well as conventional drug therapy. Little research has been done using SAMe to treat severe depression, so it is unknown whether SAMe would have the same benefits as seen in mild to moderate depression. Several studies have shown that SAMe significantly reduces pain associated with osteoarthritis of the knee. Other benefits of SAMe include decreased joint stiffness in the morning and improved mobility. Compared with non-steroidal anti-inflammatory medications (for example, Advil® and Aleve®), SAMe was found to be equally effective in reducing knee pain. No serious adverse reactions have been reported with SAMe, whereas long-term use of non-steroidal anti-inflammatory medications has been associated with causing stomach ulcers and liver problems. The authors did not specifically mention the safety of SAMe, but the individual studies show that it has an excellent safety record. In one study, the placebo group had more side effects than the SAMe group. SAMe may be helpful for liver disease, if the specific problem is related to poor flow of bile through the liver and gallbladder (called cholestasis). Women with cholestasis due to pregnancy had significant decreases in levels of bilirubin (the pigment in blood that can make skin look yellow), indicating an improvement in liver function, after taking SAMe. Itching of the skin, another sign of liver disease, also improved. Similar results were found in individuals with cholestasis due to other types of liver disease. While SAMe was beneficial for cholestasis, it did not work as well as conventional treatment. For both depression and osteoarthritis, studies have used between 600 and 1,600 mg per day. Some physicians recommend tapering down the amount of SAMe, as symptoms improve, to a maintenance amount of 400 to 600 mg per day. Using SAMe at the higher amounts may be cost prohibitive, since it is a relatively expensive nutritional supplement. Nonetheless, for those who have failed other types of treatment for these conditions, SAMe may be helpful in achieving better health. Darin Ingels, ND, MT (ASCP), received his bachelor’s degree from Purdue University and his Doctorate of Naturopathic Medicine from Bastyr University in Kenmore, WA. Dr. Ingels is the author of The Natural Pharmacist: Lowering Cholesterol (Prima, 1999) and Natural Treatments for High Cholesterol (Prima, 2000). He currently is in private practice at New England Family Health Associates located in Southport, CT, where he specializes in environmental medicine and allergies. Dr. Ingels is a regular contributor to Healthnotes and Healthnotes Newswire. Copyright © 2002 Healthnotes, Inc. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of the Healthnotes® content is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Healthnotes, Inc. Healthnotes Newswire is for educational or informational purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose or provide treatment for any condition. If you have any concerns about your own health, you should always consult with a healthcare professional. Healthnotes, Inc. shall not be liable for any errors or delays in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon. Healthnotes and the Healthnotes logo are registered trademarks of Healthnotes, Inc. Note new address! W. Snell, D.C. 3942 SE Hawthorne Blvd. Portland, OR 97214 Ph. 503-235-5484 Fax 503-235-3956 >From: " Matt Terreri " <mattydread@...> >< > >Subject: RE: Intense Itching >Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:43:52 -0800 > > It could be a nervous system disorder such as MS or some other >weird neuro thing. When my MS was full blown, I had extreme itching in my >right arm. You might have a neurologist evaluate her. MRI might not be >appropriate at this point, but I would be thinking along these lines.Any >other symptoms? > > > > Matt Terreri, DC > > > > _____ > >From: [mailto: ] On >Behalf >Of INICE MICHAEL GOUGH >Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 11:56 AM >Oregon DC's >Subject: Intense Itching > > > >I have a patient that is experiencing severe intense itching in her upper >extremities. Doesn't respond to scratching although she does this out of >desperation with very little satisfaction or relief. It doesn't appear to >be >superficial or skin related. Keeps her from sleeping. Doesn't respond to >spinal adjustments. She's been under care for several months with great >response other than this itching. She had it about a year ago and went to >naturopath/homeopath, medical with no results. Finally it subsided but now >it's back again. Any ideas? > > > >OregonDCs rules: >1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to >foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve >members will be tolerated. >2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name. >3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, >it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or >otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his >or >her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 I have found a good dose of activated charcoal over a 10-14 day period is very effective for what Ron is describng. Always Danno Intense Itching > Dr. Gough: > > Can you easily write on the patient's skin with your finger nails or > another sharp instrument, with immediate welting of the skin? If so > you might be dealing with Dermatographia, a histomine over reaction > that is secondary to some allergy. This is easy to do, just take > the end of some sharp instrument and write the patients name, or > anything else on their arm or stomach. If within the next 10 sec, > +/- you see the raised welts, this is most likely what you are > dealing with. > > Patients often think they have poisen ivy etc, because of the itch > and welting. > > An otc allergy med may be helpful, or a prescription of something > along the line of Alegra-D may do the trick. Usually this will > control the histomine reaction within a short time and your patient > will be able to discontinue the use of the med fairly soon. > > Someone else may have an idea of a natural form of a good substitute > that may work well. > > Hope this helps. > > Grice, DC > Albany, OR > > > > > > > OregonDCs rules: > 1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to > foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve > members will be tolerated. > 2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name. > 3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. > However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, > or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without > his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 In a message dated 12/21/2005 1:30:35 PM US Mountain Standard Time, msmith@... writes: now I'm sort of frightened by that occasional hot itching that I infrequently get in my arm (usually after a mile swim). I have not read most of the replies with this thread but 2 main things come to mind : 1) Polycythemia rubra vera - commonly causes itching after exercise or hot showers. Anyting that elevates the blood count or concentration can cause this - from reasons as innoccuous as dehydration from diarrhea, or can be caused byh more serious problems like endocrine problems. 2) Primary biliary cirrhosis - inflammation of the biliary ducts, more common in women and people with autoimmune disorders. A much more serious condition. Lots of itching with this - not just with exercise or heat. I am not sure if others mentioned these or not Anglen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 Note: forwarded message attached.Seth Colner, DC1500 NW Bethany Blvd.Suite 135Beaverton, OR 97006(503) 645-5810__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 My first reaction to the original post was that it sounded like a food or other allergy. I have been enlightened and have enjoyed the posts from all of you, shows what a great listserve this is. To be honest, now I'm sort of frightened by that occasional hot itching that I infrequently get in my arm (usually after a mile swim). I do know that the state of Chiropractic Neurology is cutting edge, and it gives me great faith in the future of our health care system to know that there's doctors like you folks out there that don't do the typical traditional medicine knee jerk diagnosis: "It's probably just ____, don't worry about it, just rub some cortisone on it and come back in a couple of years if it doesn't go away." Merry Christmas, G. , Gatti, Gatti, et. al. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Seth Colner, D.C.Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 11:32 AMPost MessagesSubject: Fwd: Re: Intense Itching Note: forwarded message attached.Seth Colner, DC1500 NW Bethany Blvd.Suite 135Beaverton, OR 97006(503) 645-5810 __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Hello Bee and everyone, This is not the first time this has happened to me but it was probably the most I've been aware of it. I woke up last night about 4 times with intense itching mostly on nose but all over my face and body. It really affected my sleep. I'm checking to see what I can to help myself heal from this. I want to be able to sleep deeply at night. Thank, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 > > Hello Bee and everyone, > > This is not the first time this has happened to me but it was > probably the most I've been aware of it. I woke up last night > about 4 times with intense itching mostly on nose but all over my face > and body. It really affected my sleep. I'm checking to see what I > can to help myself heal from this. I want to be able to sleep deeply > at night. > +++Hi . Yes it would be wonderful to sleep deeply at night, but unfortunately die-off symptoms from candida can interfere, but as you progress they will decrease more and more. This article explains what causes itching, and it provides treatments you can try to help relieve the symptoms: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/treat14.php However, these symptoms may come and go during the healing process. The best to you, Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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