Re: Ghee or Butter?

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>

> Hi Bee,

>

> How will I know if I can't tolerate butter and should use ghee

> instead. I don't think I've ever had a reaction to butter but then

> again, maybe I just never noticed and the reaction was in the form of

> my autoimmune disease. I'm not really sure and so I just have been

> using ghee instead. Well, it's getting pretty darned expensive, even

> more so than the coconut oil. Epecially when I am craving it by the

> spoonfuls. So I was wondering if I should just switch back to butter

> since I am not really sure if it really bothers me. Do you have any

> thoughts on this?

+++, most people are fine on butter. You should try it and see.

When you do, do not change anything else, and have it at least 5 days

in a row so you know if butter is causing the problems. Of course

butter is antifungal so it can create die-off symptoms just like

coconut oil.

Bee

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>

> +++, most people are fine on butter. You should try it and see.

> When you do, do not change anything else, and have it at least 5 days

> in a row so you know if butter is causing the problems. Of course

> butter is antifungal so it can create die-off symptoms just like

> coconut oil.

>

++++Bee, it's hard for me to tell if butter was causing the problem

because the problem is still there, that is, my insomnia. So I assume

that butter wasn't the problem since eliminating it did not relieve the

symptoms. Would you say that's a reasonable assumptions? I suppose I

could also try it for five days in a row and see if it makes my

symptoms worse. What do you think?

++++One more thing, my doc wants me to increase my thyroid meds because

my free t3 is so low. I've been holding back because I wanted to see

if the diet would help relieve my symptoms. So far it hasn't, so I was

thinking that I should slowly increase my thyroid meds and then work on

weaning off once my symptoms are better. Otherwise, I was thinking

that I'd never be able to get my immune system working properly to

fight the candida even if I'm on the proper diet and nutrients. What

do you think?

Thank you so much!

>

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> ++++Bee, it's hard for me to tell if butter was causing the problem

> because the problem is still there, that is, my insomnia. So I

assume that butter wasn't the problem since eliminating it did not

relieve the symptoms. Would you say that's a reasonable assumptions?

***Yes, your assumption is correct.

+++I suppose I could also try it for five days in a row and see if it

makes my symptoms worse. What do you think?

***There's no need to do that, since you " know " butter isn't causing

your insomnia. Don't butter or coconut oil too close to bedtime

because such fats give the body so much energy it can be hard to

sleep (have them 3 hours before bed).

>

++++One more thing, my doc wants me to increase my thyroid meds

because my free t3 is so low. I've been holding back because I

wanted to see if the diet would help relieve my symptoms. So far it

hasn't, so I was thinking that I should slowly increase my thyroid

meds and then work on weaning off once my symptoms are better.

***What thyroid meds are you taking? The thyroid and adrenals are

closely involved, and sometimes the adrenals are interfering with the

ability of the body to use thyroid meds. Low adrenals and thyroid go

hand in hand. Taking smaller doses of thyroid meds, 8 or less hours

apart helps the adrenals deal with thyroid hormones better. I take

my thyroid meds 3 times a day.

***Overall it is better not to take any thyroid meds, since a lot of

the symptoms you have that " appear to be " related to the thyroid may

actually be caused by low adrenals too. Taking any hormones have a

powerful affect on the body, which can be much more detrimental than

not taking them at all. Also it can take a long time for the body to

clear out and balance hormones again after stopping taking them.

+++Dr. Mercola writes that the thyroid becomes dependent upon meds.

He says it is much better to support the thyroid with nutrients

rather than taking meds.

+++I think it is very important to focus on treating the " cause, "

which is candida. That way when your organs start to recover their

full capacity on the program, you don't have to guess or worry about

your thyroid going into a tizzy (from low to high) at any point.

+++However, you should also always wean off meds slowly.

I hope that helps .

Bee

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> ++++Bee, it's hard for me to tell if butter was causing the problem

> because the problem is still there, that is, my insomnia. So I assume

> that butter wasn't the problem since eliminating it did not relieve the

> symptoms.

++++ :

I think insomnia is one of the hypo symptoms, yes? I would bet that you are

having a

combination of symptoms that are related to your thyroid issues (and adrenal?)

as well as

die-off. It doesn't sound like you have major problems with butter, so you can

add it and

raise it slowly. (If butter was the issue, I think you would feel nauseous

immediately after

ingesting it... not insomnia)

>

> ++++One more thing, my doc wants me to increase my thyroid meds because

> my free t3 is so low. I've been holding back because I wanted to see

> if the diet would help relieve my symptoms. So far it hasn't, so I was

> thinking that I should slowly increase my thyroid meds and then work on

> weaning off once my symptoms are better. Otherwise, I was thinking

> that I'd never be able to get my immune system working properly to

> fight the candida even if I'm on the proper diet and nutrients. What

> do you think?

++++Natural healing is slow progress. Herring's law of cures says 1 month for

every

year. Can you use that as a guideline for the length of time you'll need to do

the diet

before your thyroid starts fully healing itself? (What do you think Bee?) I've

had thyroid

issues for at least five years and probably longer, actually---undiagnosed. (So

that would

be at least 5 months on the diet to retrace those symptoms.) I am also trying

to wean off

meds but in my own experience, I can't taper off them yet (I am not raising

anymore

however--- not comparable to your raise issue, by the way... I was more stable

on my

meds at time of diet). Based on symptoms, I still have hypo issues (I know

the hyper

signs and keep an eye out for them).

I'm thinking, I probably will be able to taper once I am at the stage of adding

probiotics.

(You are new and are still getting on the diet and dealing with raising your

coconut oil to

6T and increasing your fats, yes?) So you are not fully on stage one. Then

there is stage 2

(adding a second anti-fungal like oregano oil) and get stabilized there, THEN

(and don't

rush this!!!--many people try to do it all at once or too quickly) you can add

in probiotics

which will kill off even more yeast.

At this juncture, you are doing all you can to increase cell wall permeability

and you are

getting the most out of your food and supplements. This is when I plan to

really begin

tapering in earnest. (But, I will watch for hyper signs all along.) Plus, as

I mention the

HCL increases your absorption, so you need to watch for signs of over medication

while

you increase the efficiency of your digestion (even if you take meds

sublingually---I have

lowered my Armour from my original pre-diet amount based upon this scenario.)

You are being monitored by your thyroid doc at least monthly for your T3/T4

levels. As

long as you are showing hypo signs, I would (and this is my approach, Bee may

suggest

another) continue to take meds until I was farther along (several months, I

would think) on

the program. Plus you are still finding your dose because of your T3 issues.

Alternatively, you could stop meds and have hypo symptoms mixed in with the

die-off

and you will eventually get well, but I feel suffering too much hypo is a little

like suffering

too much die-off. It doesn't get you better any faster so I don't see the need

to suffer.

The main thing is to check your levels regularly, stay slow and steady on the

diet, learn the

signs of hyper so you can monitor your body, and keep an eye on signs of over-

medication as you improve your absorption.

What have other thyroid folks done to deal with diet and meds?

Best,

Marissa

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> ++++ :

> I think insomnia is one of the hypo symptoms, yes? I would bet

that you are having a

> combination of symptoms that are related to your thyroid issues

(and adrenal?) as well as die-off. It doesn't sound like you have

major problems with butter, so you can add it and raise it slowly.

(If butter was the issue, I think you would feel nauseous immediately

after ingesting it... not insomnia)

***, that is true she would get nauseous from butter if it was a

problem.

> >

> ++++Natural healing is slow progress. Herring's law of cures says

1 month for every

> year. Can you use that as a guideline for the length of time

you'll need to do the diet

> before your thyroid starts fully healing itself? (What do you

think Bee?) I've had thyroid issues for at least five years and

probably longer, actually---undiagnosed. (So that would

> be at least 5 months on the diet to retrace those symptoms.) I am

also trying to wean off meds

***Hi Marissa. Yes, you are correct about the length of time for

healing to occur. The same is be true for any kind of malfunctioning

organ. If you are certain your thyroid started malfunctioning 5

years ago, 5 months is a good benchmark, however, all during the

program your thyroid will be recovering more and more, progressively,

so don't wait 5 months to cut back on medications, or until you get

hypo signs. It could be too late by then.

Bee

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> > I think insomnia is one of the hypo symptoms, yes? I would bet

> that you are having a combination of symptoms that are related to

your thyroid issues (and adrenal?) as well as die-off. It doesn't

sound like you have major problems with butter, so you can add it and

raise it slowly. (If butter was the issue, I think you would feel

nauseous immediately after ingesting it... not insomnia)

>

+++++++Hi, Bee. Yes, insomnia is a hypo symptom although for several

years now doctors have always tried to tell me it was hyper and that

I needed to cut down my thyroid medication.

It makes sense about the butter, but I was wondering if maybe I had

not cut it out long enough to see results. It's been a month. What

do you think? Is that long enough? I do believe the insomnia is due

to thyroid/adrenal issues and die-off. I'm just wondering how long

this will last. I went on the diet to improve my sleep patterns but

I haven't seen any benefit yet. And actually, none of the other

things I've eliminated have made a difference in my sleeping either.

I thought for sure once I eliminated grains, glutinous ones in

particular, I would see some results but nothing. It's making it

hard to want to continue. Especially when I'm so fatigued and with

the holidays being here.

I was fine after I cut out sugar and fruit and after three days I

stopped craving them but since I cut out grains I've had awful

cravings for anything made with pumpkins. It's starting to get hard

with all the seasonal foods around. I can't stop thinking about all

the wonderful things I'd like to bake. Finally, I couldn't take it

and made some homemade pumpkin muffins with coconut flour, 1/4 brown

sugar and stevia. I figured if I was going to cheat, this wouldn't

be as bad.

There is a part of me that wants to hold off on the diet until after

the holidays but I've come a long way so far and I don't want to have

to start over again. I'm just not sure if I can make it though.

This last week has been the hardest for me since I started the diet.

[Guest guest]

> ++++Natural healing is slow progress. Herring's law of cures says 1

month for every year. Can you use that as a guideline for the length

of time you'll need to do the diet before your thyroid starts fully

healing itself?

++++Marissa, I think I've had thyroid issues for the past 20 years. I

honestly don't know if I can stay on this diet for 20 months, maybe

even longer. I'm not being weak, just realistic. I guess I'll take it

on a month to month basis. I'm going to see how I'm feeling/doing in

four weeks. The funny thing is, I thought for sure my baby would be

doing so well from the diet and he eczema would start cleaing up, but

it's worse. In her case, she would only have to be on the diet for a

little over two months since she is only 14 months old. I'm going to

continue for her.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> ***What thyroid meds are you taking? The thyroid and adrenals are

> closely involved, and sometimes the adrenals are interfering with the

ability of the body to use thyroid meds. Low adrenals and thyroid go

hand in hand. Taking smaller doses of thyroid meds, 8 or less hours

apart helps the adrenals deal with thyroid hormones better. I take my

thyroid meds 3 times a day.

++++I'm taking 100 mcg of Cytomel and 1 grain of Armour in four divided

doses a day.

Thanks for your help and support, Bee!

>

[Guest guest]

>

> > > I think insomnia is one of the hypo symptoms, yes? I would bet

> > that you are having a combination of symptoms that are related to

> your thyroid issues (and adrenal?) as well as die-off. It doesn't

> sound like you have major problems with butter, so you can add it

and

> raise it slowly. (If butter was the issue, I think you would feel

> nauseous immediately after ingesting it... not insomnia)

> >

> +++++++Hi, Bee. Yes, insomnia is a hypo symptom although for

several

> years now doctors have always tried to tell me it was hyper and

that

> I needed to cut down my thyroid medication.

> It makes sense about the butter, but I was wondering if maybe I had

> not cut it out long enough to see results. It's been a month.

What do you think? Is that long enough?

+++Hi . Yes, you've cut out butter long enough.

> I do believe the insomnia is due to thyroid/adrenal issues and die-

off. I'm just wondering how long this will last.

+++It will last as long as is necessary for your body to heal your

thyroid and adrenals, which takes 1 month for every year.

> I went on the diet to improve my sleep patterns but I haven't seen

any benefit yet. And actually, none of the other

> things I've eliminated have made a difference in my sleeping

either.

> I thought for sure once I eliminated grains, glutinous ones in

> particular, I would see some results but nothing. It's making it

> hard to want to continue. Especially when I'm so fatigued and with

> the holidays being here.

+++Here are some suggestions to help you sleep:

1) Take the 2nd dose of calcium and magnesium 1/2 hour before bedtime

with a poached egg. The egg digests easily so it won't interfere with

sleep.

2) Start toning down the lights about 1 hour before bedtime, since

light interfere with sleep: this means turning off the TV, and

dimming lights around you.

3) Ensure you have black out drapes/curtains in your bedroom or cover

them, and do not sleep with a night light; sleep in total darkness.

4) Take an Epsom salt bath 1 hour before bedtime helps since the

magnesium in it calms the body, and a hot bath helps your body cool

down properly for sleep, which doesn't make sense but it works.

5) Ensure you eat your last full meal 3 hours before bedtime, and

don't snack afterward, except for the cal/mag and egg.

6) Try drinking a cup catnip or chamomile tea just before bed too.

+++, I also suggest you do the 9-day program at this time, which

will help your body get rid of toxins:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/dig6.php

Let me know how it goes, and what helps.

Bee

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>

> > ++++Natural healing is slow progress. Herring's law of cures

says 1

> month for every year. Can you use that as a guideline for the

length

> of time you'll need to do the diet before your thyroid starts fully

> healing itself?

> ++++Marissa, I think I've had thyroid issues for the past 20

years. I

> honestly don't know if I can stay on this diet for 20 months, maybe

> even longer. I'm not being weak, just realistic. I guess I'll

take it

> on a month to month basis. I'm going to see how I'm feeling/doing

in

> four weeks. The funny thing is, I thought for sure my baby would

be

> doing so well from the diet and he eczema would start cleaing up,

but

> it's worse. In her case, she would only have to be on the diet for

a

> little over two months since she is only 14 months old. I'm going

to

> continue for her.

+++, you can definitely plan on doing this program for 20

months, in order to allow the time your body requires to heal

naturally. Your baby's eczema is worse since that is what happens

when the diet is changed - any symptoms a person had prior to the

program will intensify at first, before it gets better.

+++That is because the body has to first clear out toxins, which are

mainly excreted through the skin, and then it has to heal and rebuild

the area(s) involved. In your baby's case the toxins are mainly

created by candida, and some toxins that have accumulated from other

sources.

Bee

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> >

> > ***What thyroid meds are you taking?

+++I take Synthroid and natural dessicated thyroid (it's not called

Armour here in Canada).

+++, I think the problem you are having with low Free T3 is

related to low adrenals. See this article on how to help your

adrenals: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/treat1.php

Bee

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>

+++, you can definitely plan on doing this program for 20

> months, in order to allow the time your body requires to heal

> naturally. Your baby's eczema is worse since that is what happens

> when the diet is changed - any symptoms a person had prior to the

> program will intensify at first, before it gets better.

>

> +++That is because the body has to first clear out toxins, which are

> mainly excreted through the skin, and then it has to heal and rebuild

> the area(s) involved. In your baby's case the toxins are mainly

> created by candida, and some toxins that have accumulated from other

> sources.

>

===Bee, I know that I can expect my baby to get better within a few

months, since she is only 14 months old, however will she still be

experiencing eczema since she will be continuing to get exposed to the

toxins from my candida. That is, will she still have symptoms until

I'm cured?

Thanks, Bee!

> Bee

>

[Guest guest]

> +++Hi . Yes, you've cut out butter long enough.

====Hi Bee. What I don't get is that I've cut out the other things

like sugar and fruit for longer and they haven't solved the problem,

so why can't I add those back in? In other words, eliminating thse

things didn't improve my insomnia. Unless we're speaking from an

allergy perspective and it just means I was not allergic to them and

an allergy to them was not causing my insomnia however I was still

being exposed to candida toxins due to eating them and they were

putting stress on my adrenals and that is causing the insomnia. So

therefore, I have to keep eiminating them, with the exception of

butter, to reduce the exposure to toxin. Is that right?

====Thank you for the sleep suggestions. Unfortunately, I've tried

all of these things for years and the only thing that have ever

helped me seep are melatonin and tryptophan. One other thing I've

been meaning to mention is that I can't take magnesium at night. I'm

one of the few people that it gives me energy. Once I even took an

epsom salt bath in the evening and I was up all night.

====I will give the nine day program a try like you suggested and see

if that helps. I'll let you know.

Thanks again, Bee!

>

>

[Guest guest]

===Bee, I know that I can expect my baby to get better within a few

> months, since she is only 14 months old, however will she still be

> experiencing eczema since she will be continuing to get exposed to

the toxins from my candida. That is, will she still have symptoms

until I'm cured?

+++Hi . No, your baby should be cured long before your candida

is. Ensure you are giving your baby the recommended supplements in

this article: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/baby.php

+++Your baby will do good when you stick to the diet and take all of

the supplements.

Luv, Bee

[Guest guest]

,

I replied to your message, however there may have been a

glitch, so it might not show up. If it doesn't please re-send your

message and I will reply.

Luv, Bee

>

> > +++Hi . Yes, you've cut out butter long enough.

>

> ====Hi Bee. What I don't get is that I've cut out the other things

> like sugar and fruit for longer and they haven't solved the

problem,

> so why can't I add those back in? In other words, eliminating thse

> things didn't improve my insomnia. Unless we're speaking from an

> allergy perspective and it just means I was not allergic to them

and

> an allergy to them was not causing my insomnia however I was still

> being exposed to candida toxins due to eating them and they were

> putting stress on my adrenals and that is causing the insomnia. So

> therefore, I have to keep eiminating them, with the exception of

> butter, to reduce the exposure to toxin. Is that right?

>

> ====Thank you for the sleep suggestions. Unfortunately, I've tried

> all of these things for years and the only thing that have ever

> helped me seep are melatonin and tryptophan. One other thing I've

> been meaning to mention is that I can't take magnesium at night.

I'm

> one of the few people that it gives me energy. Once I even took an

> epsom salt bath in the evening and I was up all night.

>

> ====I will give the nine day program a try like you suggested and

see

> if that helps. I'll let you know.

>

> Thanks again, Bee!

> >

>

>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,

I've read that when a person reacts that way to magnesium, they are ok

on magnesium but short on calcium and you may need a cal/mg supplement

instead of just magnesium.

Patty

One other thing I've

> been meaning to mention is that I can't take magnesium at night. I'm

> one of the few people that it gives me energy. Once I even took an

> epsom salt bath in the evening and I was up all night.

>

>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> ====Hi Bee. What I don't get is that I've cut out the other things

> like sugar and fruit for longer and they haven't solved the problem,

> so why can't I add those back in? In other words, eliminating thse

> things didn't improve my insomnia.

+++:

Because your thyroid medication is not optimized, you are still experiencing

hypo

symptoms. Once you get on the right amount of Armour to stop the Hashi attack,

you

should see those symptoms subside. Meanwhile, if you continue Bee's diet, you

will be

nourishing your immune system to the point where you will be able to taper off

the meds.

In your case, this will probably begin in earnest after 20 months... although

once you use

the HCl and have better absorption, you may have a mini-taper of meds after a

few

months.

You can monitor yourself for symptoms of hyper (tremors, palpitations,

nervousness, etc)

and also monitor your T3/T4 levels on a monthly basis... but the major taper

will probably

begin around the 20th months as per Herring's law of cures.

Does this make sense to you?

Marissa

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>

> Does this make sense to you?

++++Hi Marissa, yes this does make sense. So in other words, I need to

get to my optimal dose and stay on it in the beginning stages of the

diet and not worry abot tapering until I'm well into it, at least 20

months according to Herring's Law of Cure. In other words, it's too

soon to even think about tapering. Is that right?

[Guest guest]

Interesting, Patty. I'll try taking them both together and see if I

have a different response.

> One other thing I've

> > been meaning to mention is that I can't take magnesium at night.

I'm

> > one of the few people that it gives me energy. Once I even took

an

> > epsom salt bath in the evening and I was up all night.

> >

> >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> ++++Hi Marissa, yes this does make sense. So in other words, I need to

> get to my optimal dose and stay on it in the beginning stages of the

> diet and not worry abot tapering until I'm well into it, at least 20

> months according to Herring's Law of Cure. In other words, it's too

> soon to even think about tapering. Is that right?

>

>

Yes that's what I think. (What do you think , Bee?) I think if you strengthen

your immune

system you will be better able to do a taper. Plus, as you increase your

absorption thru

HCl/sauerkraut, you might find that you'll be able to use less meds than you

would have

been taking if you weren't on Bee's diet.

I've also found that my dosage fluctuates a little because the closer you get to

retracing

the thyroid stuff, the more you get some hypo symptoms. (Kind-of like how your

baby

will have increased flare-ups of eczema as he gets closer to actually curing

it). So just stay

tuned in to your body and keep checking your levels and I think you can respond

appropriately to what your body needs.

Marissa

[Guest guest]

>

> Yes that's what I think. (What do you think , Bee?) I think if

you strengthen your immune system you will be better able to do a

taper.

+++Hi Marissa. I believe anyone on thyroid meds should taper them

off when they start on this program. That's because the thyroid

becomes dependent upon them and won't recover properly. Also meds

alleviate symptoms but they do not treat the cause. Meds, hormones,

etc. throw off the body so it is less able to heal. Also there are

so many other functions in the body that interfere with thyroid

function, including the pituitary, adrenals, digestion, etc. - so do

we treat them all? No, because that is counterproductive to

providing the body with what it needs to balance itself and heal.

+++This program works because it doesn't treat individual symptoms,

it treats the body as a whole so it can heal itself.

Bee