Guest guest Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 > > Hello Bee , ><snip> Dear Ed. Thanks for the information about the Biamonte Method. > Nevertheless, Bee, you are very welcome, in regards to the > birthday E-card. It was my pleasure. Moreover, your new > updated Green theme of your website is very complimentary with the Bee > and Flower, epitomizing, the stylish personal flare of the author and gracious researcher, Bee Wilder. +++Thank you Ed! Bow and curtsy to you ~~~ & BIG smiles Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 Dear Ed and Bee, It is my understanding from Bee's information that we are not seeking to kill candida, just get its numbers under control, and make it " change back into the friendly organism " it is supposed to be. According to Bee, Candida is present in everyone, is supposed to overgrow only after death for decomposition of our bodies. What I think I understand is that it gets out of control due to toxins, antibiotics, poor nutrition, poor immune system--all these things signal to the candida that the body is dead or dying? It is only doing what is is supposed to do. So while I am going to starve it and use antifungals to get the colonies down to size, I never want to eradicate it completely (nor could I)? I continue to focus on using the diet to build up my immune system, instead of to killing off candida. This also makes it a whole lot easier to explain to family and friends, and they seem to accept this more easily. It is difficult to prove scientifically that I actually have candida overgrowth (I certainly have enough symptoms, but people like to see test results). But it is impossible for anybody to deny that I have been in poor health for 15 years. And they see that I haven't had a serious upper respiratory infection (lasting 3 weeks to 3 months, 3 or 4 times a year) since I began transistioning into Bee's protocol. Have I understood you correctly, dear Bee? I also call it a " Protocol " instead of a diet, since it's not just diet. Beside, " Protocol " sounds so intelligent! --Rhe [ The Biamonte Method - paragraph ] > > I now, more than ever, believe that using an approach which tries to > correct all of the patient's imbalances, symptoms, and/ or > deficiencies simultaneously will aggravate the Candida. Certain > vitamins, minerals, amino acids, and herbs can spread Candida. These are > the B- complex, vitamin D, Calcium, Copper, and Iron. Other nutrients > protect the Candida from the very medicines used to kill it. Most > antifungals work by creating " oxidative stress " against the > membrane or outer skin of the Candida. This works by " burning " > or " digesting " the outer layer of the Candida. Antioxidant > vitamins in high doses will protect the Candida from treatment. > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > The Biamonte Method - link : http://tinyurl.com/6hn5wx > <http://tinyurl.com/6hn5wx> > > > Nevertheless, Bee, you are very welcome, in regards to the > birthday E-card. It was my pleasure. Moreover, your new > updated Green theme of your website is very complimentary with the Bee > and Flower, epitomizing, the stylish personal flare of the author and gracious researcher, Bee Wilder. > > Regards, > Ed > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 Whoops, I forgot to say that if all this is the case, I don't need to add other stuff to Bee's protocol, if the intent is to kill off candida. -Rhe [ The Biamonte Method - paragraph ] > > > > I now, more than ever, believe that using an approach which tries to > > correct all of the patient's imbalances, symptoms, and/ or > > deficiencies simultaneously will aggravate the Candida. Certain > > vitamins, minerals, amino acids, and herbs can spread Candida. These are > > the B- complex, vitamin D, Calcium, Copper, and Iron. Other nutrients > > protect the Candida from the very medicines used to kill it. Most > > antifungals work by creating " oxidative stress " against the > > membrane or outer skin of the Candida. This works by " burning " > > or " digesting " the outer layer of the Candida. Antioxidant > > vitamins in high doses will protect the Candida from treatment. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 > > Dear Ed and Bee, > > It is my understanding from Bee's information that we are not seeking > to kill candida, just get its numbers under control, and make it > " change back into the friendly organism " it is supposed to be. +++That's correct Rhe. Only the immune system can " make " candida change back, when it is strong enough to do it. > > According to Bee, Candida is present in everyone, is supposed to > overgrow only after death for decomposition of our bodies. What I > think I understand is that it gets out of control due to toxins, > antibiotics, poor nutrition, poor immune system--all these things > signal to the candida that the body is dead or dying? It is only > doing what is is supposed to do. > > So while I am going to starve it and use antifungals to get the > colonies down to size, I never want to eradicate it completely (nor > could I)? +++That's correct too. You can't possibly eradicate it completely since it is one of the millions of organisms in the body - actually there are over 29 different kinds of candida. > > I continue to focus on using the diet to build up my immune system, > instead of to killing off candida. This also makes it a whole lot > easier to explain to family and friends, and they seem to accept this more easily. It is difficult to prove scientifically that I actually have candida overgrowth (I certainly have enough symptoms, but people like to see test results). But it is impossible for anybody to deny that I have been in poor health for 15 years. And they see that I haven't had a serious upper respiratory infection (lasting 3 weeks to 3 months, 3 or 4 times a year) since I began transistioning into Bee's protocol. > > Have I understood you correctly, dear Bee? +++You have done very well my dear Rhe! Good for you! > > I also call it a " Protocol " instead of a diet, since it's not just > diet. Beside, " Protocol " sounds so intelligent! +++I like protocol too! I call it program, or you could call it a plan. Luv, Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 Hi Bee, According to this method, if you focus on building up immune system with nutrition and supplements, it will work but only if you stay on diet for a lifetime. But if you first kill candida/detoxify, then build immune system you can go back to eating foods (including fruits, grains, etc.) without a resurgence of symptoms. I'm curious of your thoughts. Just want to be sure I'm not protecting candida by taking Vitamin C and E! Thanks so much, Genevieve > > Hello Bee , > > The Biamonte Method for treating / eliminating Candida was mentioned > recently . I decided to investigate and extracted a curious paragraph > from the explanation of the aforementioned Method and am curious on your > opinion of the matter . > > Here is the paragraph and the link in association . > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > [ The Biamonte Method - paragraph ] > > I now, more than ever, believe that using an approach which tries to > correct all of the patient's imbalances, symptoms, and/ or > deficiencies simultaneously will aggravate the Candida. Certain > vitamins, minerals, amino acids, and herbs can spread Candida. These are > the B- complex, vitamin D, Calcium, Copper, and Iron. Other nutrients > protect the Candida from the very medicines used to kill it. Most > antifungals work by creating " oxidative stress " against the > membrane or outer skin of the Candida. This works by " burning " > or " digesting " the outer layer of the Candida. Antioxidant > vitamins in high doses will protect the Candida from treatment. > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > The Biamonte Method - link : http://tinyurl.com/6hn5wx > <http://tinyurl.com/6hn5wx> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 > > Hi Bee, > > According to this method, if you focus on building up immune system with nutrition and > supplements, it will work but only if you stay on diet for a lifetime. But if you first kill > candida/detoxify, then build immune system you can go back to eating foods (including > fruits, grains, etc.) without a resurgence of symptoms. > > I'm curious of your thoughts. Just want to be sure I'm not protecting candida by taking > Vitamin C and E! +++Hi Genevieve. I didn't comment on the Biamonte Method since it is totally " off the wall " that some nutrients aggravate candida or " make it spread " or protect candida! If that were true I wouldn't have cured my candida taking most of the supplements I recommend on my program, and others who have done my program wouldn't have cured their candida. +++Candida cannot be cured by " killing it off. " It doesn't work like that. In fact the only way to cure candida is to build up the immune system with " proper nutrients " the body needs to heal itself, by cutting off candida's food supply, and by eliminating toxins - when the immune system becomes strong enough it will " make " candida change back to what it was before it started overgrowing, which is friendly helpful organism in the body. Candida feeds off of toxins too, not just sugars and high carbs. The reason candida started overgrowing was mainly because of toxins, such as antibiotics, drugs, chemicals in foods, damaging foods, etc., along with a lack of proper nutrients! It isn't possible to build up the immune system if you avoid important nutrients like vitamin C, vitamin E, vitamin D, amino acids, etc. as listed below. Amino acids are found in all protein foods and are essential for health. All nutrients work together, so no supplements should be left out, otherwise your body won't get what it needs to heal. Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 > Thank you Bee. It freaked me out a bit and just wanted to be sure my hard work wasn't in vain >. When I read the method, there was this part of me that thought, this can't be that complicated. God designed our bodies to heal. It isn't something we have to " trick " or " destroy " just re-balance and heal. Appreciate your reassurance! > +++Hi Genevieve. I didn't comment on the Biamonte Method since it is > totally " off the wall " that some nutrients aggravate candida or " make > it spread " or protect candida! If that were true I wouldn't have > cured my candida taking most of the supplements I recommend on my > program, and others who have done my program wouldn't have cured > their candida. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 > > > Thank you Bee. It freaked me out a bit and just wanted to be sure > my hard work wasn't in vain >. > > When I read the method, there was this part of me that thought, this > can't be that complicated. God designed our bodies to heal. It isn't > something we have to " trick " or " destroy " just re-balance and heal. > > Appreciate your reassurance! +++You are so very welcome Genevieve! You are correct that God didn't make any stupid bodies. He provided such powerful healing capabilities if we give them what He intended and eliminate what He didn't design them for! Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 Hello, Speaking from my own personal experience I can say that even when my diet is not completely on track I can tell that I have benefited greatly from taking the recommended supplements. Just my ten cents worth. All the best, “Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but usually manages to pick himself up, walk over or around it, and carry on.†Winston S. Churchill. > From: Bee <beeisbuzzing2003@...> > Subject: [ ] Re: The Biamonte Method of Candida Elimination > > Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 8:31 AM > > > > > Hi Bee, > > > > According to this method, if you focus on building up > immune system > with nutrition and > > supplements, it will work but only if you stay on diet > for a > lifetime. But if you first kill > > candida/detoxify, then build immune system you can go > back to > eating foods (including > > fruits, grains, etc.) without a resurgence of > symptoms. > > > > I'm curious of your thoughts. Just want to be > sure I'm not > protecting candida by taking > > Vitamin C and E! > > +++Hi Genevieve. I didn't comment on the Biamonte > Method since it is > totally " off the wall " that some nutrients > aggravate candida or " make > it spread " or protect candida! If that were true I > wouldn't have > cured my candida taking most of the supplements I recommend > on my > program, and others who have done my program wouldn't > have cured > their candida. > > +++Candida cannot be cured by " killing it off. " > It doesn't work like > that. In fact the only way to cure candida is to build up > the immune > system with " proper nutrients " the body needs to > heal itself, by > cutting off candida's food supply, and by eliminating > toxins - when > the immune system becomes strong enough it will > " make " candida change > back to what it was before it started overgrowing, which is > friendly > helpful organism in the body. Candida feeds off of toxins > too, not > just sugars and high carbs. The reason candida started > overgrowing > was mainly because of toxins, such as antibiotics, drugs, > chemicals > in foods, damaging foods, etc., along with a lack of proper > nutrients! > > It isn't possible to build up the immune system if you > avoid > important nutrients like vitamin C, vitamin E, vitamin D, > amino > acids, etc. as listed below. Amino acids are found in all > protein > foods and are essential for health. All nutrients work > together, so > no supplements should be left out, otherwise your body > won't get what > it needs to heal. > > Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 A lot of what he says makes sense. That's why all of this is so very confusing. However, correct me if I'm wrong, but when I read his testimonials, I'm not really seeing anyone who has been cured by his method. Just a lot of people who feel better and are around Stage II or III after a year or something. I'd be interested in how much it costs per month to use him too. Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 Doug... I agree that what I have read so far makes enough sense to me to take as credible. The Vitamin D stuff that can get controversial is no doubt straight out of the Marshall Protocol's fundamentals. Though personally I would be super cautious about the Marshall's move to Benicar and pulsed antibiotics (due to the assumption of a bacterial infection mechanism rather than fungal/yeast) I have seen enough evidence to give some merit to possible goofy vitamin D activity with some people in chronic illness. Whether too much or too little is not clear to me at this point, plus it seems like testing for D assimilation/anomalies is basic common sense before taking this route. Other parts of what I have seen of the Biamonte method look a lot like Bee's approach and I have heard some very good docs wonder about the " adaptability " of micro-organisms. Hence the reasoning for rapid changes of anti-fungals I presume. This Candida stuff is tricky, confusing, frustrating, variable and controversial. The proof is in the pudding ultimately, though most conventional docs don't even consider Candida a candidate for consideration. What peeves me no end is that they give no better explanation and no decent game plan! After 8 months on the diet (with a few 'distractions') my gut is still as sensitive as ever and I feel like I am still " missing something " basic. I feel like I could go on for years and still have no change with the darn thing. It is very frustrating, despite overall improvement with other aspects of my health. Hence I do keep an open mind to other approaches and appreciate people sharing about them - good and bad. On the Biamonte though, it look like it costs a bunch of money and THAT is something I am not very keen on any more. Does anyone have specifics on that? Thanks much, M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 Doug wrote: (...) >> I'd be interested in how much it costs per month to use him too. This is exactly the point. Just my two cents on this: He's making money with his very complex program, reading about this method gives you a confused feeling. It feels like you have to do so many 'strange' things. And although some of the things of his method makes sense (and look at that more closely as you will find the exact things that make sense in his program are exactly the things that are in Bee's program), it feels like he gathered too much stuff in illogical ways. Your gut feeling tells you 'something' isn't right. And you can only follow his method if you use his service... He could be biased to say the least. Compared to Bee's program, which at first seems overwhelming because we have to change our way of eating mostly, and we have to follow four steps. But my gut feeling told me immediatly: this is it. And I read it so many times from other people on this list who had the same intuitive feeling. And following the program soon just feels the right way to support the body doing its very own work, like it always did before we got out of balance. And surely Bee is not involved in this financially (although she is always grateful if she receives a donation ofcourse), she does this out of human caring ánd she is experienced, both with her own healing and lots and lots of others as you can read almost daily on this list. And she researched this subject for over 15 years. Lets not search for more and other presumely better methods. Bee didn't make this diet/program on her own, although she tweaked it to be very healing for candida overgrowth and its symptoms, but her program is based on very broad other research, other diet lifestyles which also helped healing lots and lots of people with other disease (the Optimal diet, Weston Price, etc). If we can trust in that and give it time (we didnt'get sick in a few months...) this program will heal most of us I'm sure. ****************************************************** A lot of what he says makes sense. That's why all of this is so very confusing. However, correct me if I'm wrong, but when I read his testimonials, I'm not really seeing anyone who has been cured by his method. Just a lot of people who feel better and are around Stage II or III after a year or something. I'd be interested in how much it costs per month to use him too. Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 M wrote: (....) >>After 8 months on the diet (with a few 'distractions') my gut is still as sensitive as ever and I feel like I am still " missing something " basic. I feel like I could go on for years and still have no change with the darn thing. It is very frustrating, despite overall improvement with other aspects of my health. Hence I do keep an open mind to other approaches and appreciate people sharing about them - good and bad. On the Biamonte though, it look like it costs a bunch of money and THAT is something I am not very keen on any more. Does anyone have specifics on that?<< I'm just curious , are you also using (coffee) enema's and/or dry skin brushing or other detoxifying methods described by Bee? And since when do you experience candida overgrowth? So how many months you should follow this program to see results? Lets not forget that an overgrowth of candida also infects the way we feel, making some people depressed or anxious, giving some people fogged brains, etc. Its just my own experience that 'doubting' also belongs to candida, somehow it seems like candida is 'protecting' itself and makes us doubtful when we are on the right route... Trusting this program ánd believing that you CAN heal is in my opinion a very important factor in the healing proces. Just sharing my own experience for what's it worth, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 ... Thanks for the response and questions. However, my situation is so goofy and exasperating that I don't really want to go into much detail as it has driven everyone nuts - me the most! One example to give you a drift of it. The best way for me to stop an extended abdominal pain attack of weeks without end, is to eat plain ice cream for a day or two. I get no bad reactions from doing it and yes I have tried a list of herbs, drugs and foods a mile long. It is a kind of " muscle lock " in the intestines or something as all endoscopies have been negative/excellent, etc., etc. I cannot do cofee enemas as very quickly get hemorrhoids and they don't go away. I have learned that lesson half a dozen times over the past 10 years and have finally convinced myself that I do not need to do that to myself. Diet incidentally has always been excellent organic, etc. though only the really high fat and ratios stuff once doing Bee's. I have tried dry skin brushing and honestly just got bored doing it and did not get any noticeable benefit. I am a great believer in the adage that " we put our feet " where we get a hint of return/benefit/ good, and I just did not feel a thing with the brushing. I did with the Diet however, so of course have continued - sans vitamins. Re. Candida symptoms. Ha...I wish I could answer you and wish I was sure!!! There are many things in my picture that do not make sense for a Candida diagnoisis, but all the other things have more or less been ruled out. Not the most satisfactory answer, but all I have after years of this stuff. With regard to believing in healing and such. Well...there has been so much I have gone through that I basically just keep going and do not put too much expectation on it all. I have been so trashed so many times that the level of disappointment and expense (economically and psychologically/emotionally) has been severe at times. The " beleiving " has not paid me many dividends despite noble efforts. Now I just go by results and find it much easier to live with. Finally, the Biamonte stuff. Yep, if it's big bucks I am not interested, though " tricking " Candida does not put me off. Viral adaption is stunningly real and Candida sounds like a close cousin. Again, thanks for your thoughts and input. Best, M. (....) >>After 8 months on the diet (with a > few 'distractions') my gut is still > as sensitive as ever and I feel like I am still " missing something " > basic. I feel like I could go on for years and still have no change > with the darn thing. It is very frustrating, despite overall > improvement with other aspects of my health. Hence I do keep an open > mind to other approaches and appreciate people sharing about them - > good and bad. On the Biamonte though, it look like it costs a bunch of > money and THAT is something I am not very keen on any more. Does anyone > have specifics on that?<< > > > I'm just curious , are you also using (coffee) enema's and/or > dry skin brushing or other detoxifying methods described by Bee? > And since when do you experience candida overgrowth? So how many months > you should follow this program to see results? > > Lets not forget that an overgrowth of candida also infects the way we > feel, making some people depressed or anxious, giving some people > fogged brains, etc. Its just my own experience that 'doubting' also > belongs to candida, somehow it seems like candida is 'protecting' > itself and makes us doubtful when we are on the right route... > > Trusting this program ánd believing that you CAN heal is in my opinion > a very important factor in the healing proces. > Just sharing my own experience for what's it worth, > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 Thank you for your respons , it can be so confusing if we have all kind of symptoms. And just like me, and many others on this list, we have to find our very own path. The only thing that could be very 'painful' is to choose some method/program, investing in it, and then beginning to doubt it halfway. That is the point I was trying to make. It gave my mind ánd my body lots of rest and ease when I started to just accept áll of my symptoms (which isn't very easy on some days) ánd when I just DID this diet ánd decided to follow it for two years no matter what. Because I have to trust my own ability to choose the right method and I choose Bee's program after researching for two months, so I didn't make the choice in a few minutes. Somehow it has become habit to still look for another method, or maybe we secretly still want that one pill who will cure us completely overnight... (if I find that pill I will sent you one...). Truth is we have to invest time and proper nutritions and stay away from stress on our way to health again. Wishing you wisdom and good luck on your healing path! M wrote: (....) >>After 8 months on the diet (with a few 'distractions') my gut is still as sensitive as ever and I feel like I am still " missing something " basic. I feel like I could go on for years and still have no change with the darn thing. It is very frustrating, despite overall improvement with other aspects of my health. Hence I do keep an open mind to other approaches and appreciate people sharing about them - good and bad. On the Biamonte though, it look like it costs a bunch of money and THAT is something I am not very keen on any more. Does anyone have specifics on that?<< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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