Guest guest Posted December 21, 1998 Report Share Posted December 21, 1998 ---------- | From: CRMulcahy@... | david.greenleaf@... | Subject: Re: Discharge | Date: Monday, December 21, 1998 12:13 PM | | Lori, | I talked with my 1st sgt and ADC today about the process and here is what I | found out. The Air Force has set a precendance that you will first get an | aritcle 15 for not obeying the commanders written order. The reason is for | rehabilitation, most people have given in to getting the shot when threatened | with the article 15, so it is considered as a rehabilitation tool. | You have 72 hours to reply, if you don't accept the article 15 you will be | court martialed, and the outcome will be a bad conduct discharge. If you | accept the 15 you will be turned over to the ADC (Area Defense Council) and | discharged, but you can still go before a board of your peers and possibly get | a Honerable (using the defense that it is an unlawful order), but no less than | an General Under Honerable Conditions. | 1st term airman (in your first enlistment) can be discharged under | administative reasons with an Honerable discharge, with no article 15. | 2nd term airman (those on or past first enlistment) will get an article 15 | then discharged under administrative actions for misconduct, with the | reasoning that you have complied with military orders in the past. | My 1st shirt seems really cool about the whole thing, right now I'm on a two | week fact finding mission. That's how long they gave me until I have to make | my final decision. He said the best way to approach this if I'm not going to | get the shot is to; give him a formal document of all my questions, then he | will push the letter through his command and the hospital chain. This will | require someone to answer the questions at hand, or prove my point of the | safety issues at hand. This way when I meet the board of my peers it will look | as though I am really sincere about not getting the shot for health reasons. | He seems to think it will be easier to prove my point, that the order to get | the shot is unlawful, if I have the sheet of questions with no real definate | answers from the people in charge of giving the shot. Since he has so many | years in he seems to know how the system works, and I'm going with his | suggestion. | If anyone has a question they would like to hear an answer to send it to me | at my email address and I will put it in the letter. This is a very military | way to handle something like this and yet turn it around on them so hopefully | I, and others, will come out with what we deserve....An Honerable Discharge! | | Lori, would you pass this along to all others. It is the guidance most people | are looking for, or maybe post it to the list? I need responses for questions | in the next couple of days. | | Curtis R. Mulcahy | CRMulcahy@... | Home- 402-292-2289 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 1999 Report Share Posted January 16, 1999 Dear list, Well I thought I was on the way out clear sailing, of the military. But my First Shirt had a sudden change of heart and decided to persue a court martial? So to all out there be careful and cover your butt with evidence. I had to get letters from old supervisors saying that I really wasn't getting the shot because I didn't believe it was safe. The ADC has been awsome with regards to my case. I have given them all my letters from supervisors, and the questions I sent up the chain at the base hospital. The ADC took these letters to legal and they all came to the agreement that I was going to get the General discharge under honerable conditions. So just a note...create a paper trail of people you talk to in your unit or the hospital, and write your questions on a formal letter for someone higher up to sign and answer or not answer. Also make copies of Email traffic if you are communicating with people using this method. These all combined saved me from a court martial and up to 5 yrs jail time. That was what the shirt was pushing for..Hold your heads up, take pride in your beliefs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 1999 Report Share Posted January 17, 1999 Greetings all. I am in the USN and about to deploy aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt on 29JAN. Rumor has it, the inoculations are supposed to start in FEB, in preparation for our 7 month deployment to the Persian Gulf. I have been researching this subject for a while and I am still unsure if I am going to take the shots or not. I like the military so far, (I've been in one year) but I am leaning towards refusal. I have a question about this post. Who is ADC? I have a comment about an earlier post on a newspaper article about the resignation of some pilots. At the end of the article, it said a study was commissioned to find out what people thought about the vaccine, well, I guess they didn't ask anybody in my squadron. The article said a dozen people in the country complained about it, I know a dozen people personally who flat out refuse to take it. Now, I don't know how serious they are, I'm sure the threats from the higher-ups will be pretty severe and cause some people to crack. Once I make my decision, I'm gonna stick with it, that's for sure. I would appreciate any info I can get from anybody. Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 1999 Report Share Posted January 18, 1999 IMRAM My name is Gerry and I was in the Air Force quite a while ago. Now I'm in the Air National Guard. I will refuse this vaccine when forced to take it. I also know that about 25% of my Sq. will also refuse. We are part time soldiers and will not subject our full time endeavors for this part time profession. That's the reality of it. You will need to make an informed decision and stick with it. The military could become your career choice or it could be a short period of the rest of your life. You will need to choose but remember, there are other avenues in life. Mail me if you would like to talk. Gerry From: IMRAM29xxx (DOT) xxx Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 14:21:30 EST onelist Subject: Re: Discharge From: IMRAM29@... Greetings all. I am in the USN and about to deploy aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt on 29JAN. Rumor has it, the inoculations are supposed to start in FEB, in preparation for our 7 month deployment to the Persian Gulf. I have been researching this subject for a while and I am still unsure if I am going to take the shots or not. I like the military so far, (I've been in one year) but I am leaning towards refusal. I have a question about this post. Who is ADC? I have a comment about an earlier post on a newspaper article about the resignation of some pilots. At the end of the article, it said a study was commissioned to find out what people thought about the vaccine, well, I guess they didn't ask anybody in my squadron. The article said a dozen people in the country complained about it, I know a dozen people personally who flat out refuse to take it. Now, I don't know how serious they are, I'm sure the threats from the higher-ups will be pretty severe and cause some people to crack. Once I make my decision, I'm gonna stick with it, that's for sure. I would appreciate any info I can get from anybody. Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2000 Report Share Posted June 6, 2000 Hi, Jeff, Sorry to hear about your FSG. It is (not surprisingly) an autoimmune disease, characterized both by autoimmune-mediated inflammation (glomerulonephritis) and postinflammatory scarring (glomerulosclerosis). I went through a formal PEB in the Air Force. Key to this is your counsel who appears with you before the board. I (mistakenly) chose the Air Force JAG attorney; I should have chosen the local Disabled American Veterans National Service Officer (whom I met later when I became a Life Member of the DAV). The JAG officers rotate through the PEB slot, but the DAV NSOs do this because they WANT to provide the best representation before the PEB. They have an incredible amount of expertise and experience. I learned the hard way -- now I'm " suing " the Air Force through the AFBCMR and if necessary, the Federal Court of Claims to get what the Air Force should have given me anyway. (The Air Force and VA disability criteria are substantially different, and for medical officers, arbitrary and capricious, but the VA gave me a 70% fully-service-connected disability rating. The Air Force should have given me SOMETHING. They gave me NOTHING.) I'll be away for a week or two, but will get back to you on this when I return. There is time, and I want to do my best to give you the benefit of my experiences. You will of course first go to a Medical Evaluation Board. That board decides what of your diseases may disqualify you from active-duty military service. The purpose of the PEB is to decide whether you are fit for continued active-duty service. It will in most cases offer you as little as it can, if it even decides to hear your case (it doesn't have to) so you have to be sure that you have everything that is wrong with you (including any psychiatric diagnoses you may have) documented fully up front before you get to the MEB. If the PEB doesn't accept your case or deicdes to give you less than you're reasonably entitled to, you have an appeal route. It is in your best interests to contact a civilian attorney near you who specializes in this stuff. Keep us updated. Good luck in the interim! Fisher, MD LTC USAFR MC FS (Inactive Reserve) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Eastward I go only by force; but westward I go free. Thither no business leads me. It is hard for me to believe that I shall find fair landscapes or sufficient wildness and freedom behind the eastern horizon. -- Henry Thoreau (Walking) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > Discharge > > > Hello everyone.....I've been a subscriber to this newsgroup for quite a > while now and I've ready lots of emai's concerning people being discharged > from the military due to refusing to not take the vaccination. I however, > have already taken 5 of the 6 required shots (before I had known about the > adverse side effects) and I now have a fatal Kidney Disease (Focal Segmental > Glumerolosclerosis) that will not allow me to remain in the military. If my > condition has not improved by August, my doctor is submitting my case to a > Physical Evaluation Board and there is a 99% chance that I will be > discharged (Medical Retirement or Administrative Seperation). If anyone > knows someone who is experiencing this (PEB process) or is experiencing it > themselves, please email me and I would appreciate any and all information > you can provide. Thank you very much and good luck to all. > > Jeff > FC2 USN > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2000 Report Share Posted June 6, 2000 I am also pending a PEB...got some info to share with you! Look forward to hearing from you. Theresa > Hello everyone.....I've been a subscriber to this newsgroup for quite a > while now and I've ready lots of emai's concerning people being discharged > from the military due to refusing to not take the vaccination. I however, > have already taken 5 of the 6 required shots (before I had known about the > adverse side effects) and I now have a fatal Kidney Disease (Focal Segmental > Glumerolosclerosis) that will not allow me to remain in the military. If my > condition has not improved by August, my doctor is submitting my case to a > Physical Evaluation Board and there is a 99% chance that I will be > discharged (Medical Retirement or Administrative Seperation). If anyone > knows someone who is experiencing this (PEB process) or is experiencing it > themselves, please email me and I would appreciate any and all information > you can provide. Thank you very much and good luck to all. > > Jeff > FC2 USN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2000 Report Share Posted June 8, 2000 Jeff, I can relate to what you are going through, I also became very ill after receiving my 5th anthrax vaccine. The PEB saw me unfit for duty and not world wide deployable. I was offered severance pay and 10% retirement. Of course I appealed. I will be going to San Antiono on the 22nd of June to meet in front of the MEB. It's very important that if you are being medically boarded, for a condition that may have been caused by the anthrax vaccine that you doctor or in my case doctors document that. When the first board meet on my behalf The summary that my doctors sent was lacking a lot of information about my illness. I am currently having my doctors rewrite my medical history and all that I have gone through after receiving the vaccines. Of course we all know that there has not been enough testing done to prove that you may have become ill from the shots. But by having my Doctors document that the cause of my illness was most proably caused by the vaccine I have hopes of atleast getting a higher disability rating. What ever happens to you, Don't settle for less than what YOU feel your worth. After I meet with the board on the 22nd, I hope I can walk away from there feeling as if I was treated fairly and if not than I will have to appeal once again. I am determined to give some one out there a wake up call, and take notice of me and everyone one else out there who has became ill from these shots. In the mean while don't forget about you congressman, it's his job to represent you, if you feel you are being treated unfairly. I wish you well and look foward to hearing from you in the near future! best of luck to you!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2002 Report Share Posted October 28, 2002 Hello It's a classic symptom of an infected c-toma. Probably impervious to any antibiotic treatment etc. My doctor made several attempts to dry and clean my ear by suctioning before the surgery - it only stopped the discharge for a day or so then it came straight back. Possibly they'd only try this if the eardrum is missing and they can get into the middle ear. Suctioning an ear that hasn't yet had a CWD or Meatoplasty is quite uncomfortable. At the time I'd already had foul smelling discharge for ten years - it ceased completely once they'd removed the c-toma. Phil I was wondering if anyone has had problems withdischarge and a foul odor while waiting for c-tomasurgery? ?Thanks for any help : ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2002 Report Share Posted October 28, 2002 francesca had a huge amount of very foul smelling discharge whilst waiting for her surgery the first time. from what i can remember, apart from fairly regular cleanings, the ENT prescribed some kind of drops to " wash out " the ear, using the " drops in, swirl around and drain out " technique. he also allowed me to clean the entrance to the ear canal to " catch " the dribble with a special cotton bud (q tip) francesca was quite consious of it...so to make her feel better, she had a perfume she liked which we used to put in the palm of our hand in stoke through her hair on that side. we also used to stroke her shoulder that side with it...it seemed to mask it quite well. it at the very least made her feel psychologcally more comfortable. be careful though....as a combination could make for a worse fragrance than you started with...test drive it at home with a friend first! (smiles) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2002 Report Share Posted October 28, 2002 Hi Michele! I'm sort of inbetween doctors. Remember my whole HMO/$780 second opinion fiasco?! HMO doc is done with me and I'm afraid to ask anything of the PPO doc until I switch over in December. : ) __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2002 Report Share Posted October 28, 2002 I concur with Phil. I remember when my son's ear was infected. We had no idea what was causing the smell. And as I've said before, his pediatrician thought it was old ear wax. Good luck to you, Terri > > From: " Philip " <psmorris@...> > Date: 2002/10/28 Mon PM 03:06:27 EST > <cholesteatoma > > Subject: Re: Discharge > > Hello > > It's a classic symptom of an infected c-toma. Probably impervious to any antibiotic treatment etc. My doctor made several attempts to dry and clean my ear by suctioning before the surgery - it only stopped the discharge for a day or so then it came straight back. Possibly they'd only try this if the eardrum is missing and they can get into the middle ear. Suctioning an ear that hasn't yet had a CWD or Meatoplasty is quite uncomfortable. At the time I'd already had foul smelling discharge for ten years - it ceased completely once they'd removed the c-toma. > > Phil > > > I was wondering if anyone has had problems with > discharge and a foul odor while waiting for c-toma > surgery? ? > > Thanks for any help : ) > > > > > > Hello It's a classic symptom of an infected c-toma. Probably impervious to any antibiotic treatment etc. My doctor made several attempts to dry and clean my ear by suctioning before the surgery - it only stopped the discharge for a day or so then it came straight back. Possibly they'd only try this if the eardrum is missing and they can get into the middle ear. Suctioning an ear that hasn't yet had a CWD or Meatoplasty is quite uncomfortable. At the time I'd already had foul smelling discharge for ten years - it ceased completely once they'd removed the c-toma. Phil I was wondering if anyone has had problems withdischarge and a foul odor while waiting for c-tomasurgery? ?Thanks for any help : ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2002 Report Share Posted October 28, 2002 Hi , I am sure if you called the advice nurse at The California Ear Institute she would be able to help you out. I have done it numerous times with Zach. They may be able to prescribe some drops over the phone. I have looked at many of my old bills and none of them have any extreme charges on them and they all seem quite reasonable. It sounds like the charge for an opinion was excessive but you certainly don't have to pay anything to speak with the advice nurse. Zach has his appointment on the 16th also! I hope it works out for you. Macias wrote: Hi Michele! I'm sort of inbetween doctors. Remember my whole HMO/$780 second opinion fiasco?! HMO doc is done with me and I'm afraid to ask anything of the PPO doc until I switch over in December. : ) __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2002 Report Share Posted October 31, 2002 we used the cotton wool ball to catch the discharge until the ENT said that it was better left to air.....did yours pass any such comment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 HI ALL, I AM SURE THAT THIS QUESTION HAS BEEN ASKED A MILLION TIMES BEFORE. BETH HAD SURGERY ON APRIL 11TH AND JUST THIS WEEK SHE HAS BEEN COMPLAINING OF AN ITCH DEEP SHE CAN NOT REACH AND A YELLOW DISCHARGE AS STARTED. DOES THIS INDICATE INFECTION OR HEALING STILL. Hi I recall that for the first couple of weeks after the surgery there was a discharge of blood and then a grim looking mixture of blood and pus oozed out. For about a month after that there was an occasional watery yellowish discharge which had a 'medicinal' smell and also started to form little tiny crystals in the well of the outer ear. All this was reckoned as normal healing process. So check with your doctor anyway but I also think that you can tell intuitively if there's an infection. If you can bear to stick your nose next to Beth's ear then an off' or bad smell would should be a cause for concern and a benign or neutral smell would probably be OK. The inside itch may be infuriating but is almost certainly a positvie sign of healing. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 It's likely not due to flying but I'm not a Doc, go and see your Doc ASAP... tom hansen --- yankeesfan1013 <BSORules@...> wrote: > Hi, Everyone, > > I had a CWD in Dec., '05 and I have been doing well. > I flew from NY to > Aruba on Saturday. On Sunday evening, I started > having a thick, bloody > dicharge from my CWD ear. I am feeling a lot of > pressure, too. The dr. > said flying would not be a problem. Obviouly, I am > not at home but I > will see the dr. asap when I return. Has anyone else > experienced this > type of discharge?? Any thoughts on this would be > appreciated. Thanks! > > Sincerely, > Kathy > > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 Thanks, Tom. I will definitely see him when I return. Take care! > > > Hi, Everyone, > > > > I had a CWD in Dec., '05 and I have been doing well. > > I flew from NY to > > Aruba on Saturday. On Sunday evening, I started > > having a thick, bloody > > dicharge from my CWD ear. I am feeling a lot of > > pressure, too. The dr. > > said flying would not be a problem. Obviouly, I am > > not at home but I > > will see the dr. asap when I return. Has anyone else > > experienced this > > type of discharge?? Any thoughts on this would be > > appreciated. Thanks! > > > > Sincerely, > > Kathy > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 Call your Dr. It sounds like she has an ear infection. Does she have tubes? If so, I'll tell you what my ENT said when Chloe got her first ear infection with tubes. " That's what it's supposed to do. " He just called her in some drops which I used and the infection cleared right up. I had your exact reaction, and no ctoma group back then! I was sure the thing had come back, so it was a relief to just have an infection. Hopefully, that's all it is, but it is unnerving when you're dealing with all the other stuff. On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 9:24 PM, stephnchad <stephnchad@...> wrote: Hi, I hope someone can tell me if this is normal or not cuz I am kindafreaking out. My 3 year old daughter Katy had her c-toma removed on June 20th. She had 2 bones removed (middle and third). She had bloodydischarge for the first three to four weeks then nothing. We have beento see the surgon 3 times for post op visits and at the last two hesaid no the ear was dry and all packing dissolved. We are set to see him again Nov 17 and then 2nd look surgery dec 30th. Today her sisterssaid " mommy some yuky stuff is coming out of Katys ear " so I looked andsome smelly bloody discharge was coming out and all dried up outside and inside her ear. i also checked her pillow case and sure enoughthere was some dried on her pillow ase which I just washed on Friday.Is this a normal part of continued recovery or is something going on. Iam worried that it is all of sudden coming back as we have gon 2 months with no discharge and a nice dry ear. If you have had any experiencewith this please let me know. Stephj------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 I have started taking coconut oil again after a hiatus of about 2-3 months. In that time I completely abandoned my diet and am slowly starting back on track. Since starting the oil (about 3 tbsp a day) I have experienced diarrhea every morning which I know is fairly normal but as of late I also am having very foul smelling discharge. I also missed a period last cycle and instead had some pink discharge. Pregnancy tests are negative, though. I'm just wondering if the missed period and discharge could be die-off or should I be concerned about an infection of some sort. There is no pain associated with the discharge. I am also extremely tired and nauseous but I know this is to be expected as well. Thanks for any input, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 > > I have started taking coconut oil again after a hiatus of about 2-3 > months. In that time I completely abandoned my diet and am slowly > starting back on track. Since starting the oil (about 3 tbsp a day) I > have experienced diarrhea every morning which I know is fairly normal > but as of late I also am having very foul smelling discharge. +++Hi . Please ensure you start on CO again at low doses and only gradually increase them otherwise you will get more die-off symptoms, since CO is antifungal. Diarrhea which is foul smelling is because of toxins being eliminated, and there are more toxins because CO kills off candida. +++Also IF you've had diarrhea in the past your body will " retrace " every episode during natural healing, which is according to Hering's Law of Cures: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu1_1_2.php > I also missed a period last cycle and instead had some pink discharge. Pregnancy tests are negative, though. I'm just wondering if the missed > period and discharge could be die-off or should I be concerned about > an infection of some sort. There is no pain associated with the > discharge. I am also extremely tired and nauseous but I know this is > to be expected as well. +++It is common for most women to not get their periods for awhile when they first start on this program. But every group member who had their periods stop, also reported they returned again, so do not be concerned. It is only temporary. Any discharge is toxins being eliminated, so it is also a die-off symptom. +++Yes, fatigue and nausea are very common. Nausea is because candida is being killed off in the stomach, and here's an article about fatigue: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/treat10.php The best in health, Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 I remember the feeling of hot coffee going ALL the way down. As close to heaven as I've ever been, I think. You ARE doing swimmingly! Congrats on joining the Heller/Dor club, lol! xox > > Two days. They don't keep you long. I had the HM with a dor fundoplication. I have done swimmingly. He said he incised nice and high into the esophagus to help with spasms and to be sure I won't be back. I am weaning off of the narcotics and onto Tylenol and ibuprofen washing them down with lots of water. Drinking is just so amazing!! > > Jenn in Canada > > Sent from my iPhone > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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