Re: Thrush - Breastfeeding

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I am sorry you are having to deal with such chronic thrush.  I had thrush with

both my babies.  The first time it took about 4 months and the second it took

FOREVER...well, it seemed to go on and on.  It sounds like you are doing

everything.  Do you rinse your nipples with diluted vinegar after each nursing

session?  boil all the bras/pads/clothes?  ugh.  I remember those days.  For me 

the GSE helped my symptoms but it never really went away.  After the thrush was

gone I continued to get off and on yaginal yeast infections that went on for 2

years...until I finally went on the diet.  Since doing the diet I have not had a

single infection- woo hoo!

the diet makes avoiding holiday sweets easier- you just cant have any

(moderation was always too hard for me anyway!).  This year I have a recipe set

of holiday treats that  I CAN have- which will be my special treat without

feeding the yeast.

Let us know what you decide to do- online support is so wonderful!!

-Sara

From: Hickey <hicketysplit@...>

Subject: [ ] Thrush - Breastfeeding

Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 11:08 AM

To anyone who has gotten rid of thrush on the nipple by doing the

anti-candida diet... help! It's been seven months (oh yes!) that I've

been dealing with chronic thrush on my nipples. The baby has never

showed any signs in her mouth. I've tried everything (diflucan,

grapefruit seed extract, baking soda, gentian violet, herbal salves

with tea tree oil, herbal tinctures taken internally). The latest is

to put a little clay mask on, followed with a grapefruit seed

extract/water bath, and then my trusty herbal salve. And with that I

have managed to keep it at a tolerably low but still annoying level

until now. I have to take an intense course of antibiotics for a

mastitis infection (probably as a result of the chronic thrush), uggh,

and the thrush immediately got much worse. So I think I'm ready to do

the anti-candida diet but I'm feeling discouraged. Nothing has worked

and I need some convincing that if I do the anti-candida diet, it will

be worth it (especially heading into tantalizing holiday meals) and

I'll actually get rid of this thrush once and for all. Help.

[Guest guest]

here,

This is exactly what I am dealing with - it's now 1 year since my baby was

born and I still have thrush and all that goes with the over growth of

candida. I get psyched and stick to the diet, then I fall off and that is

when I get the sore nipples, gas, indigestion, diarrhea...you get my point.

Bee says the longer you don't do the diet, the longer the candida stays -

staying away from SUGAR alone gives me great results!

As far as the mastitis - please find a Naturopathic Dr. or ask Bee how it

can be handled without antibiotics. I had mastitis and treated it with

homeopathic remedies. Worked wonderfully!

My motto these days is " only take antibiotics if I am dying " and there is no

other cure.

Stick with Bee's diet, stay strong - I think of myself eating sugar and say

" what a spoiled little undisciplined brat - just stick to the diet, the

sooner I will get rid of this gnawing monster " .

You can do!!! Don't be like me.

Take care,

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Hickey <hicketysplit@...>wrote:

> To anyone who has gotten rid of thrush on the nipple by doing the

> anti-candida diet... help! It's been seven months (oh yes!) that I've

> been dealing with chronic thrush on my nipples. The baby has never

> showed any signs in her mouth. I've tried everything (diflucan,

> grapefruit seed extract, baking soda, gentian violet, herbal salves

> with tea tree oil, herbal tinctures taken internally). The latest is

> to put a little clay mask on, followed with a grapefruit seed

> extract/water bath, and then my trusty herbal salve. And with that I

> have managed to keep it at a tolerably low but still annoying level

> until now. I have to take an intense course of antibiotics for a

> mastitis infection (probably as a result of the chronic thrush), uggh,

> and the thrush immediately got much worse. So I think I'm ready to do

> the anti-candida diet but I'm feeling discouraged. Nothing has worked

> and I need some convincing that if I do the anti-candida diet, it will

> be worth it (especially heading into tantalizing holiday meals) and

> I'll actually get rid of this thrush once and for all. Help.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> To anyone who has gotten rid of thrush on the nipple by doing the

> anti-candida diet... help! It's been seven months (oh yes!) that

I've been dealing with chronic thrush on my nipples.

+++Hi . I understand how frustrating it is to not get the

results. The fact is that many women have cured their breast thrush

on this program. Are you sure it is actually thrush in your breasts

or is it inflammation? They are 2 different things. Inflammation

means your immune system is working hard at clearing out toxins from

the area, afterwhich it will rebuild. Inflammation and redness are

simply signs that more healing blood is being brought to the area.

Swelling is to immoblize the area so it can be healed better. Pus is

immune system substances which heal and help clear out toxins, etc.

> The baby has never showed any signs in her mouth.

+++Has your baby had other signs of candida in other areas?

> I've tried everything (diflucan, grapefruit seed extract, baking

soda, gentian violet, herbal salves with tea tree oil, herbal

tinctures taken internally). The latest is to put a little clay mask

on, followed with a grapefruit seed extract/water bath, and then my

trusty herbal salve. And with that I have managed to keep it at a

tolerably low but still annoying level until now. I have to take an

intense course of antibiotics for a mastitis infection (probably as a

result of the chronic thrush), uggh, and the thrush immediately got

much worse. So I think I'm ready to do the anti-candida diet but I'm

feeling discouraged. Nothing has worked and I need some convincing

that if I do the anti-candida diet, it will be worth it (especially

heading into tantalizing holiday meals) and I'll actually get rid of

this thrush once and for all.

+++The reason treatments you've tried do not work is because Candida

cannot be cured by antifungals. The only way to cure candida is by

building up the immune system - healing comes from within, and not by

antifungal treatments - which is mainly done with " proper

nutrients. " If you give your body what it needs it will heal itself

naturally even if you don't take antifungals.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I don't have a lot of experience with thrush on the nipples, but I

can comment that this diet really *does* work. It is SOOOOOO worth

the sacrifices (and soon it won't even feel like you're giving stuff

up because you won't want them anymore).

The results of going on Bee's program have been nothing short of

miraculous for me and my family. Her program is not a quick fix.

But keep in mind you didn't get this way overnight either. It's

probably been a long time coming as your immune system lowered over

the years.

Other people may not agree with me, but since you don't think you

could give up the holiday foods, take the next month to get yourself

prepared - both mentally and physically by buying supplements and

enema supplies, etc. - and then start out the new year with a whole

new mind set and a new program to get you on the right track. In the

meantime, you can start to get rid of the no-no foods out of your

house by not buying any more. You can decrease the amount of carbs

you are eating now and only eat the really bad 'cheat foods' when you

are other people's houses visiting for the holidays.

By January you will be more than ready to begin a whole new life. It

is soooo worth it. Go to Bee's website and read the success

stories. This really is an amazing journey to follow. You can do it!

I wish you all the best,

>

> To anyone who has gotten rid of thrush on the nipple by doing the

> anti-candida diet... help! It's been seven months (oh yes!) that

I've

> been dealing with chronic thrush on my nipples. The baby has never

> showed any signs in her mouth. I've tried everything (diflucan,

> grapefruit seed extract, baking soda, gentian violet, herbal salves

> with tea tree oil, herbal tinctures taken internally). The latest is

> to put a little clay mask on, followed with a grapefruit seed

> extract/water bath, and then my trusty herbal salve. And with that I

> have managed to keep it at a tolerably low but still annoying level

> until now. I have to take an intense course of antibiotics for a

> mastitis infection (probably as a result of the chronic thrush),

uggh,

> and the thrush immediately got much worse. So I think I'm ready to

do

> the anti-candida diet but I'm feeling discouraged. Nothing has

worked

> and I need some convincing that if I do the anti-candida diet, it

will

> be worth it (especially heading into tantalizing holiday meals) and

> I'll actually get rid of this thrush once and for all. Help.

>

[Guest guest]

> >

Thanks for responding, Bee! The breast tissue is shiny and flaky and

darker red in the affected area and when its bad, the pain is a

burning sensation so I'm pretty sure it's thrush. It's been there

since she was three weeks old and the two times I went on diflucan, it

got immediately better but never completely went away. My daughter

does get a little yeasty or rashy periodically in the diaper area and

other than that, I haven't seen any obvious signs. One of the salves

I have works pretty well I must say in that it keeps it at a tolerable

level while I contemplate and prepare myself for going on the

anti-candida diet. But I'm not sure how healthy it is over time for my

baby girl to be continually exposed to a tiny bit of tea tree oil,

which is in the salve. Isn't it the case that if I go on the diet and

the yeast dies off and I build my immune system back up, I can then go

off the diet an go back to a balanced " Nourishing Traditions " way of

eating? I don't have to stay on the diet for the rest of my life, right?

> > To anyone who has gotten rid of thrush on the nipple by doing the

> > anti-candida diet... help! It's been seven months (oh yes!) that

> I've been dealing with chronic thrush on my nipples.

>

> +++Hi . I understand how frustrating it is to not get the

> results. The fact is that many women have cured their breast thrush

> on this program. Are you sure it is actually thrush in your breasts

> or is it inflammation? They are 2 different things. Inflammation

> means your immune system is working hard at clearing out toxins from

> the area, afterwhich it will rebuild. Inflammation and redness are

> simply signs that more healing blood is being brought to the area.

> Swelling is to immoblize the area so it can be healed better. Pus is

> immune system substances which heal and help clear out toxins, etc.

>

> > The baby has never showed any signs in her mouth.

>

> +++Has your baby had other signs of candida in other areas?

>

> > I've tried everything (diflucan, grapefruit seed extract, baking

> soda, gentian violet, herbal salves with tea tree oil, herbal

> tinctures taken internally). The latest is to put a little clay mask

> on, followed with a grapefruit seed extract/water bath, and then my

> trusty herbal salve. And with that I have managed to keep it at a

> tolerably low but still annoying level until now. I have to take an

> intense course of antibiotics for a mastitis infection (probably as a

> result of the chronic thrush), uggh, and the thrush immediately got

> much worse. So I think I'm ready to do the anti-candida diet but I'm

> feeling discouraged. Nothing has worked and I need some convincing

> that if I do the anti-candida diet, it will be worth it (especially

> heading into tantalizing holiday meals) and I'll actually get rid of

> this thrush once and for all.

>

> +++The reason treatments you've tried do not work is because Candida

> cannot be cured by antifungals. The only way to cure candida is by

> building up the immune system - healing comes from within, and not by

> antifungal treatments - which is mainly done with " proper

> nutrients. " If you give your body what it needs it will heal itself

> naturally even if you don't take antifungals.

>

> Bee

>

[Guest guest]

> > >

> Thanks for responding, Bee! The breast tissue is shiny and flaky and

> darker red in the affected area and when its bad, the pain is a

> burning sensation so I'm pretty sure it's thrush. It's been there

> since she was three weeks old and the two times I went on diflucan,

it got immediately better but never completely went away.

+++Hi . Yes, you are correct, it does appear to be thrush in

your breast. So how long has it been since your daughter was 3 weeks

old?

I suggest you do some direct treatments on the area:

1) Use Pau D'Arco tea bags: soak it in hot water for 20 minutes, cool

it just enough so it doesn't burn, and put it on the area and tape it

into place. You can put layers of gauze over it so it isn't so wet,

and line the inside of your clothes or bra with plastic. This is

best when you apply it before bed so it can work all night.

2) When you can't apply the tea bags, use oil of oregano mixed 50/50

with unrefined coconut oil and soak a square of gauze or bandaid with

it (depending upon the size of the area), and apply it directly on

the area. You can keep the soaked gauze to use again and again, by

just replenishing the mixture with an eye dropper.

> My daughter does get a little yeasty or rashy periodically in the

diaper area and other than that, I haven't seen any obvious signs.

One of the salves I have works pretty well I must say in that it

keeps it at a tolerable level while I contemplate and prepare myself

for going on the anti-candida diet. But I'm not sure how healthy it

is over time for my baby girl to be continually exposed to a tiny bit

of tea tree oil, which is in the salve.

+++It would be much better to apply unrefined coconut oil to her

diaper area, and use it as a moisturizer for all of her skin, along

with giving her coconut oil by mouth (babies usually love it) - see

Candida Treatments for Babies & Children:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/baby.php

Here's the information on Coconut Oil: " Newborns to 18 months old can

be started on 1/8 teaspoon coconut oil twice a day for 5 days and

gradually increase it by adding an additional dose of 1/8 teaspoon

(1/8 teaspoon 3 times a day) for 5 days. Every 5 days increase the

dose in that same manner up to a total of 1 tablespoon of coconut oil

per day, always given in divided doses. "

Also give her cod liver oil and butter oil as recommended in that

article.

> Isn't it the case that if I go on the diet and the yeast dies off

and I build my immune system back up, I can then go off the diet an

go back to a balanced " Nourishing Traditions " way of eating? I don't

have to stay on the diet for the rest of my life, right?

+++Hi . Yes, after your immune system is built up you don't

have to follow the strict candida diet. This program is definitely a

very balanced way of eating otherwise your immune system wouldn't be

built up; it is simply more limited in the kinds of foods than

Nourishing Traditions.

However, I would caution anyone to consume very little grains in

future, even if properly soaked or prepared. And even healthy people

should consume no more than 2 fruit servings per day along with

plenty of good fats to slow the release of fructose into their system.

Bee

[Guest guest]

THANK YOU. Wow... that was great. I will definitely try the Pau D'Arco

and Oil of Oregano treatments and get my daughter on coconut oil and

keep some by her changing table too. That's awesome. I'm also excited

to try the diet.

So I've had this condition for seven months now. My daughter is 7.5

months old. It's mostly gone from one breast and I just can't quite

seem to get rid of it on the other.

I'll try your suggestions and report back. Thank you sooo much!

> > > >

> > Thanks for responding, Bee! The breast tissue is shiny and flaky and

> > darker red in the affected area and when its bad, the pain is a

> > burning sensation so I'm pretty sure it's thrush. It's been there

> > since she was three weeks old and the two times I went on diflucan,

> it got immediately better but never completely went away.

>

> +++Hi . Yes, you are correct, it does appear to be thrush in

> your breast. So how long has it been since your daughter was 3 weeks

> old?

>

> I suggest you do some direct treatments on the area:

>

> 1) Use Pau D'Arco tea bags: soak it in hot water for 20 minutes, cool

> it just enough so it doesn't burn, and put it on the area and tape it

> into place. You can put layers of gauze over it so it isn't so wet,

> and line the inside of your clothes or bra with plastic. This is

> best when you apply it before bed so it can work all night.

>

> 2) When you can't apply the tea bags, use oil of oregano mixed 50/50

> with unrefined coconut oil and soak a square of gauze or bandaid with

> it (depending upon the size of the area), and apply it directly on

> the area. You can keep the soaked gauze to use again and again, by

> just replenishing the mixture with an eye dropper.

>

> > My daughter does get a little yeasty or rashy periodically in the

> diaper area and other than that, I haven't seen any obvious signs.

> One of the salves I have works pretty well I must say in that it

> keeps it at a tolerable level while I contemplate and prepare myself

> for going on the anti-candida diet. But I'm not sure how healthy it

> is over time for my baby girl to be continually exposed to a tiny bit

> of tea tree oil, which is in the salve.

>

> +++It would be much better to apply unrefined coconut oil to her

> diaper area, and use it as a moisturizer for all of her skin, along

> with giving her coconut oil by mouth (babies usually love it) - see

> Candida Treatments for Babies & Children:

> http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/baby.php

>

> Here's the information on Coconut Oil: " Newborns to 18 months old can

> be started on 1/8 teaspoon coconut oil twice a day for 5 days and

> gradually increase it by adding an additional dose of 1/8 teaspoon

> (1/8 teaspoon 3 times a day) for 5 days. Every 5 days increase the

> dose in that same manner up to a total of 1 tablespoon of coconut oil

> per day, always given in divided doses. "

>

> Also give her cod liver oil and butter oil as recommended in that

> article.

>

> > Isn't it the case that if I go on the diet and the yeast dies off

> and I build my immune system back up, I can then go off the diet an

> go back to a balanced " Nourishing Traditions " way of eating? I don't

> have to stay on the diet for the rest of my life, right?

>

> +++Hi . Yes, after your immune system is built up you don't

> have to follow the strict candida diet. This program is definitely a

> very balanced way of eating otherwise your immune system wouldn't be

> built up; it is simply more limited in the kinds of foods than

> Nourishing Traditions.

>

> However, I would caution anyone to consume very little grains in

> future, even if properly soaked or prepared. And even healthy people

> should consume no more than 2 fruit servings per day along with

> plenty of good fats to slow the release of fructose into their system.

>

> Bee

>