Storage of Coconut Oil

[Guest guest]

I'm sure some experts will answer, but coconut oil if fine stored at any

environmental temperatures.

Storage of coconut oil

Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:49:30 -0400

I was wondering if anyone could tell me if it is alright to store gallon plastic

containers in a garage that gets quite hot in the

summer. They are unopened and still in the cardboard packing box they were

shipped in. I guess they will just turn to the water

state in the heat, but Is this alright, as I'm sure in countries where it is

made it is also in hot conditions. I'm just worried

about the plastic and the heat being like it getting boiled. Our temperatures in

the summer may reach almost a hundred but enclosed

like that I don't know what the temp would get to.And if the extended time would

make it worse.There are four gallons and I may not

be able to use them up for a year or more.

Thanks,

Sanra

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[Guest guest]

I do not have A/C, so summertime temps in my kitchen are often 100F or

greater. Back when I had more free cash I would buy a 5 gallon pail

of VCO, which lasted quite a while. No problems storing it at 100F

that I could detect.

Alobar

On 6/2/08, sanr@... <sanr@...> wrote:

> I was wondering if anyone could tell me if it is alright to store gallon

plastic containers in a garage that gets quite hot in the

> summer. They are unopened and still in the cardboard packing box they were

shipped in. I guess they will just turn to the water

> state in the heat, but Is this alright, as I'm sure in countries where it is

made it is also in hot conditions. I'm just worried

> about the plastic and the heat being like it getting boiled. Our temperatures

in the summer may reach almost a hundred but enclosed

> like that I don't know what the temp would get to.And if the extended time

would make it worse.There are four gallons and I may not

> be able to use them up for a year or more.

>

> Thanks,

> Sanra

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

If i was going to store it in a warm place,I would be putting it into

glass containers as hot temps leach out things from the plastic.

[Guest guest]

Thanks to everyone that answered my question about this. I'm also considering

this suggestion to switch from the plastic pails to

glass jars, although I think it may be a hard job. I will have to get it to a

soft enough consistency, even liquid to make it easier

to pour into jars .Although who knows how long it's been in these plastic

containers already, if it would make much difference now,

I mean.

If i was going to store it in a warm place,I would be putting it into

glass containers as hot temps leach out things from the plastic.

[Guest guest]

Coconut oil is very heat sensitive. Keep in dry, cool, dark place otherwise it

would go bad quickly and the taste of course would be horrible.

[Guest guest]

i have it on counter and it has turned to liquid because its warm in house, if i

put in refrigerator it gets very hard. it does say no refrigeration, is that

correct?

From: melly banagale & lt;@... & gt;

Subject: Re:Storage of coconut oil

Coconut Oil

Date: Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 2:24 PM

Coconut oil is very heat sensitive. Keep in dry, cool, dark place

otherwise it would go bad quickly and the taste of course would be horrible.

[Guest guest]

Chances are that the oil was shipped via slow freighter in a non-air

conditioned ship where temps will get over 120F in summer in the

tropics. Ideally coconut oil which was never shipped or stored in

plastic is best, but I suspect that would be very difficult to find

and probably quite a bit more expensive than oil in plastic.

Alobar

On 6/3/08, sanr@... <sanr@...> wrote:

> Thanks to everyone that answered my question about this. I'm also considering

this suggestion to switch from the plastic pails to

> glass jars, although I think it may be a hard job. I will have to get it to a

soft enough consistency, even liquid to make it easier

> to pour into jars .Although who knows how long it's been in these plastic

containers already, if it would make much difference now,

> I mean.

>

>

[Guest guest]

transfering the VCO into smaller jars is a good suggestion. Prolonged

period in a plastic jar, even if these are food grade will contaminate

the oil with plastic residue and smell.

May i suggest that you store the oil in your kitchen storage rather

than in your garage storage? Its just that i feel uncomfortable that

food (as VCO is considered) or something that we take in is stored in

the garage. I hope this suggestiong will not be mis interpreted.

Thanks, Tess

[Guest guest]

hi Alobar,

you are right, its much more expensive to ship in glass jars especially

if you are shipping by air because they charge by the weight of your

cargo.

Viviendo's oil is shipped by air to the US. The reason is because we

would want to preserve all what should be preserved in vco. This is

the reason why we painstakingly follow the Absolutely No Heat-Cold

process method of extracting the oil.

As i have mentioned many times before, all coconut oil, no matter what

and how it was processed is healthy, but if you can have a choice and

chance to get the healthier one, why not? this is for your good health

anyway...if we want to achieve that desired level of healthiness in our

lives, and we have the resources to have that...then a more expensive

but better alternative should be our choice. We are assured of its

highest quality.

Our oil is about 2 or 3 dollars more in the retail market. But we only

have received good comments so far.

If you may allow me, for those in North America, please contact

Essential Living Foods for smaller bottles

(mschodorf@...); Viviendo USA

(viviendo.usa@...) for bigger gallon sizes. In Europe, of course

there is Cocovida that sells in Germany, Australia and the UK. Steve

is a Viviendo " student " who went beyond the basic and came out with his

own.

Thanks. Tess

[Guest guest]

Just so I can transfer the oil from the plastic container to a brown glass jar,

would it do any harm to the oil to leave the plastic

pail in the hot garage overnight to liquify so I can pour it? It is about 97

degrees outside so I don't know the temp it would get

up to at night in the garage. But would it be any hotter than the vehicles in

shipping?

Sandr

Coconut oil is very heat sensitive. Keep in dry, cool, dark place otherwise it

would go bad quickly and the taste of course would

be horrible.

[Guest guest]

Back when I had more free cash I would buy a 5 gallon pail of VCO. If

it arrived here in winter, the pail would take more than a week to

thaw in my 85F kitchen. Now I buy coconut oil in 56 ounce jars and it

still takes 3 days to fully liquefy. So one overnight in your garage

may not be enough to fully liquefy the oil.

Alobar

On 6/8/08, sanr@... <sanr@...> wrote:

>

> Just so I can transfer the oil from the plastic container to a brown glass

jar, would it do any harm to the oil to leave the plastic

> pail in the hot garage overnight to liquify so I can pour it? It is about 97

degrees outside so I don't know the temp it would get

> up to at night in the garage. But would it be any hotter than the vehicles in

shipping?

>

> Sandr

>

>

[Guest guest]

If that's the case, would it harm the oil to leave it longer then?

just want to make it easier to move it from one container to the other, but

don't want to leave it in the heat for too long if it

would turn it bad. If it were just the one gallon I could handle it, but I have

5 gallons.

Back when I had more free cash I would buy a 5 gallon pail of VCO. If

it arrived here in winter, the pail would take more than a week to

thaw in my 85F kitchen. Now I buy coconut oil in 56 ounce jars and it

still takes 3 days to fully liquefy. So one overnight in your garage

may not be enough to fully liquefy the oil.

Alobar

On 6/8/08, sanr@... <sanr@...> wrote:

>

> Just so I can transfer the oil from the plastic container to a brown glass

jar, would it do any harm to the oil to leave the

> plastic

> pail in the hot garage overnight to liquify so I can pour it? It is about 97

degrees outside so I don't know the temp it would

> get

> up to at night in the garage. But would it be any hotter than the vehicles in

shipping?

>

> Sandr

>

>

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[Guest guest]

My kitchen never gets below 80F and in summer it is over 95. I have

had VCO sit here for close to a year in plastic jars or gallon pails

and it tasted just fine to me. Most coconut oil is shipped by boat

from the tropics in plastic. I am not worried about a little heat

exposure.

Alobar

On 6/8/08, sanr@... <sanr@...> wrote:

> If that's the case, would it harm the oil to leave it longer then?

>

> just want to make it easier to move it from one container to the other, but

don't want to leave it in the heat for too long if it

> would turn it bad. If it were just the one gallon I could handle it, but I

have 5 gallons.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am glad I am not relying on you for advice.

Alobar <Alobar@...> wrote: My kitchen never gets below 80F and in

summer it is over 95. I have

had VCO sit here for close to a year in plastic jars or gallon pails

and it tasted just fine to me. Most coconut oil is shipped by boat

from the tropics in plastic. I am not worried about a little heat

exposure.

Alobar

On 6/8/08, sanr@... <sanr@...> wrote:

> If that's the case, would it harm the oil to leave it longer then?

>

> just want to make it easier to move it from one container to the other, but

don't want to leave it in the heat for too long if it

> would turn it bad. If it were just the one gallon I could handle it, but I

have 5 gallons.

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Temperature inside transport containers stored under direct noon sunlight in a

tropical area like the Philippines may reach 115 deg F. & nbsp; Storing good

quality VCO at 125 deg F and below does not, theoritically, cause any effect on

the oil. The weakest atomic bond in the oil, the second bond in the double bonds

between carbon atoms in the olein fat (about 5 to 10% in VCO) and linolein fat

(about 1 to 2.5% in VCO) is not broken by thermal & nbsp;energy available at this

temperature. Break-up of this & nbsp;may happen at 160 deg F and above, forming

hydroperoxides. Deterioration of VCO from heating during production and storage

can be indicated by its Peroxide Value, which should not be & nbsp;more than 3

meq/kg based on Philippine VCO standard. Ideally, VCO should have zero Peroxide

Value, since hydroperoxides are inflammatory.

& nbsp;

Tony

& gt;

& gt; Just so I can transfer the oil from the plastic container to a brown glass

jar, would it do any harm to the oil to leave the

& gt; plastic

& gt; pail in the hot garage overnight to liquify so I can pour it? It is about

97 degrees outside so I don't know the temp it would

& gt; get

& gt; up to at night in the garage. But would it be any hotter than the vehicles

in shipping?

& gt;

& gt; Sandr

& gt;

& gt;

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[Guest guest]

I agree, if not given attention the nuts can be exposed to more than 95 deg F, I

am from the tropics too - Philippines. This can happen when & nbsp;harvested nuts

are exposed to noon sunlight for some time, like when waiting for transport. But

when the nuts are still in the tree, I doubt very much if it gets this high

temperature. I have not encountered a freshly-harvested nut whose fresh meat or

coco water is & nbsp;warm when opened. I & nbsp;guess the coconut tree also

regulates its body temperature, like the human body.

& nbsp;

But the temperature ranges involved here are not really material, since good

quality VCO is stable at moderate temperatures, even up to 140 deg F. But

when & nbsp;VCO has & nbsp;significant impurities like residual natural enzymes or

non-pathogenic microbes, it can & nbsp;deteriorate when warmed, moreso when

exposed to more moisture and & nbsp;oxygen from air when opened.

Tony

& gt; If that's the case, would it harm the oil to leave it longer then?

& gt;

& gt; just want to make it easier to move it from one container to the other, but

don't want to leave it in the heat for too long if it

& gt; would turn it bad. If it were just the one gallon I could handle it, but I

have 5 gallons.

& gt;

& gt;

& gt;

& gt;

& gt;

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[Guest guest]

Duke,

Why do you say that? Alobar is telling you that heat doesn't bother

coconut oil, unless it is bad oil in the first place.Think where coconut

palms grow, the conditions under which the oil is extracted and

processed (in open air) and that people who have eaten and used coconut

oil for hundreds (thousands) of years are in the tropics, high temps,

high humidity, no AC.

sol

Duke Stone wrote:

> I am glad I am not relying on you for advice.

>

> Alobar <Alobar@...> wrote: My kitchen never gets below 80F and

in summer it is over 95. I have

> had VCO sit here for close to a year in plastic jars or gallon pails

> and it tasted just fine to me. Most coconut oil is shipped by boat

> from the tropics in plastic. I am not worried about a little heat

> exposure.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Tony

You say the vco is no affected by heat up to 150F. How about the taste? I

hate coconut taste and i know that a little heat on vco brings out the coconut

taste. Heat does change the taste, does it not?

[Guest guest]

Interesting point. I cook with coconut oil and don't notice any change

in the taste from the heat of baking or frying.

sol

melly banagale wrote:

> Tony

>

> You say the vco is no affected by heat up to 150F. How about the taste? I

hate coconut taste and i know that a little heat on vco brings out the coconut

taste. Heat does change the taste, does it not?

>

>

[Guest guest]

I do not understand people saying coconut oil is heat sensitive.,it is

not!!!! How would you be able to use in cooking if that were the case?

Vco is more heat stable than any other oil..... I'm no expert but I am a

C.H.F.S., had to reply to this as seeing it always brought up and wrong

replys bothers me,because people take all this at face value. Coconut

oil can be eaten off the spoon, cooked with,put on skin hair,ect... in

fact you could shove it up your ass safely!!!!! Thanks.,Deb.

--aliano

[Guest guest]

I know folks who use coconut oil as a lube for anal and vaginal sex.

Alobar

On 6/9/08, Deb. <aliano@...> wrote:

> I do not understand people saying coconut oil is heat sensitive.,it is

> not!!!! How would you be able to use in cooking if that were the case?

> Vco is more heat stable than any other oil..... I'm no expert but I am a

> C.H.F.S., had to reply to this as seeing it always brought up and wrong

> replys bothers me,because people take all this at face value. Coconut

> oil can be eaten off the spoon, cooked with,put on skin hair,ect... in

> fact you could shove it up your ass safely!!!!! Thanks.,Deb.

> --aliano

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was thinking the same thing...vco is supposed to be THE stable oil for cooking

compared to all others, including olive.

---- " Deb. " <aliano@...> wrote:

> I do not understand people saying coconut oil is heat sensitive.,it is

> not!!!! How would you be able to use in cooking if that were the case?

> Vco is more heat stable than any other oil..... I'm no expert but I am a

> C.H.F.S., had to reply to this as seeing it always brought up and wrong

> replys bothers me,because people take all this at face value. Coconut

> oil can be eaten off the spoon, cooked with,put on skin hair,ect... in

> fact you could shove it up your ass safely!!!!! Thanks.,Deb.

> --aliano

[Guest guest]

'Stable', meaning all medicinal qualities remaining intact and indestructible

or just won't catch on fire, or burn up?

I was thinking the same thing...vco is supposed to be THE stable oil for cooking

compared to all others, including olive.

---- " Deb. " <aliano@...> wrote:

> I do not understand people saying coconut oil is heat sensitive.,it is

> not!!!! How would you be able to use in cooking if that were the case?

> Vco is more heat stable than any other oil..... I'm no expert but I am a

> C.H.F.S., had to reply to this as seeing it always brought up and wrong

> replys bothers me,because people take all this at face value. Coconut

> oil can be eaten off the spoon, cooked with,put on skin hair,ect... in

> fact you could shove it up your ass safely!!!!! Thanks.,Deb.

> --aliano

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[Guest guest]

Stable meaning not turned into something harmful for your body to ingest.

---- sanr@... wrote:

> 'Stable', meaning all medicinal qualities remaining intact and indestructible

or just won't catch on fire, or burn up?

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I was thinking the same thing...vco is supposed to be THE stable oil for

cooking compared to all others, including olive.

>

> ---- " Deb. " <aliano@...> wrote:

> > I do not understand people saying coconut oil is heat sensitive.,it is

> > not!!!! How would you be able to use in cooking if that were the case?

> > Vco is more heat stable than any other oil..... I'm no expert but I am a

> > C.H.F.S., had to reply to this as seeing it always brought up and wrong

> > replys bothers me,because people take all this at face value. Coconut

> > oil can be eaten off the spoon, cooked with,put on skin hair,ect... in

> > fact you could shove it up your ass safely!!!!! Thanks.,Deb.

> > --aliano

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

Yes definitely, heat affects the coconut oil...even the smell. Simple test, try

putting scented coconut oil on your hair for hot oil, wrap it with a hot towel

and after a few minutes, amoy nyog kana. Use the same oil, apply on your hair

and just let it stay there for the whole day inside your house, without wrapping

it with hot towel...the scented coconut oil will remain.

There are still a lot lot more to say...how heat affects vco.

Will get back to you guys, just leaving.

Tess