Re: Selenium lowers antibodies

_http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/87/4/1687_

Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2011, 6:35 PM

I've been trying to figure out if I can find something help me feel better

and I've always thought my problem was thyroid related since I have

Hashimoto's and my symptoms are all similar to that even though my dose is

right.

I found info on Selenium. Here's a link

(http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/87/4/1687)

I read how it seems to reduce the antibodies and inflammation in the body

and that Selenium helps muscle pain(I have fibromyalgia). So I bought some

tonight and am hoping that it helps, but I wanted to pass on the info that

they said it does that. I really didn't know anything about Selenium and

it's connection with thyroid disease.

January 26, 2011

Do you have any thyroid symptoms even being on the right dose? Do you take

the multivitamin every day? Do you have Hashimoto's? I'm seeing how it

really reduces the antibodies and really hopeful it might improve my symptoms

like muscle aches and neck pain.

In a message dated 1/25/2011 9:50:58 P.M. Central Standard Time,

matchermaam@... writes:

My multivitamin/mineral pill has selenium in it, at the dose that is

supposed to be safe.

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Subject: Selenium lowers antibodies

_http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/87/4/1687_

Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2011, 6:35 PM

I've been trying to figure out if I can find something help me feel better

and I've always thought my problem was thyroid related since I have

Hashimoto's and my symptoms are all similar to that even though my dose

is right.

I found info on Selenium. Here's a link

(http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/87/4/1687)

I read how it seems to reduce the antibodies and inflammation in the body

and that Selenium helps muscle pain(I have fibromyalgia). So I bought some

tonight and am hoping that it helps, but I wanted to pass on the info that

they said it does that. I really didn't know anything about Selenium and

it's connection with thyroid disease.

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January 26, 2011

I've had my thyroid adjusted a few times to try and see if it makes a

difference, and it never has. I'm hoping the Selenium might make a difference

for me. I'm also considering having a Hair Analysis done. Has anyone ever had

that done to see what it shows? I just figured it couldn't hurt...well

except at the time I pull the hair out LOL.

In a message dated 1/26/2011 9:49:36 A.M. Central Standard Time,

matchermaam@... writes:

The most important thing is to ge the right dose of thyroid for yourself.

That alone is the biggest reducer of pain. Here's some selenium

information.

<>Roni

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Subject: Selenium lowers antibodies

_http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/87/4/1687_

Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2011, 6:35 PM

I've been trying to figure out if I can find something help me feel

better

and I've always thought my problem was thyroid related since I have

Hashimoto's and my symptoms are all similar to that even though my dose

is right.

I found info on Selenium. Here's a link

(http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/87/4/1687)

I read how it seems to reduce the antibodies and inflammation in the body

and that Selenium helps muscle pain(I have fibromyalgia). So I bought

some

tonight and am hoping that it helps, but I wanted to pass on the info

that

they said it does that. I really didn't know anything about Selenium and

it's connection with thyroid disease.

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January 26, 2011

The most important thing is to ge the right dose of thyroid for yourself. That

alone is the biggest reducer of pain. Here's some selenium information.

<>Roni

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From: tyblossom@... <tyblossom@...>

Subject: Selenium lowers antibodies

_http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/87/4/1687_

Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2011, 6:35 PM

I've been trying to figure out if I can find something help me feel better

and I've always thought my problem was thyroid related since I have

Hashimoto's and my symptoms are all similar to that even though my dose

is right.

I found info on Selenium. Here's a link

(http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/87/4/1687)

I read how it seems to reduce the antibodies and inflammation in the body

and that Selenium helps muscle pain(I have fibromyalgia). So I bought some

tonight and am hoping that it helps, but I wanted to pass on the info that

they said it does that. I really didn't know anything about Selenium and

it's connection with thyroid disease.

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January 26, 2011

Is this the same thing that Cytomel does? I'm taking one a day of the

Selenium which is 200 mcg which is what all the studies I've read, had their

subjects taking.

I needed Cytomel, but it was too costly for me to get and I didn't notice

too much of a difference after taking it for a couple months.

In a message dated 1/26/2011 4:21:10 P.M. Central Standard Time,

gumboyaya@... writes:

Ty,

You wrote:

>

> ...I read how it seems to reduce the antibodies and inflammation in the

body

> and that Selenium helps muscle pain(I have fibromyalgia). So I bought

some

> tonight and am hoping that it helps, but I wanted to pass on the info

that

> they said it does that. I really didn't know anything about Selenium and

> it's connection with thyroid disease.

Selenium is involved in producing the enzyme that converts T4 to T3 and

RT3 to T2. All of the claims of benefit are probably connected to that.

You can get too much. There is no real thyroid benefit beyond 200 mcg

per day, and recent studies have shown hazards above that level.

Chuck

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January 26, 2011

Ty,

You wrote:

>

> ...I read how it seems to reduce the antibodies and inflammation in the body

> and that Selenium helps muscle pain(I have fibromyalgia). So I bought some

> tonight and am hoping that it helps, but I wanted to pass on the info that

> they said it does that. I really didn't know anything about Selenium and

> it's connection with thyroid disease.

Selenium is involved in producing the enzyme that converts T4 to T3 and

RT3 to T2. All of the claims of benefit are probably connected to that.

You can get too much. There is no real thyroid benefit beyond 200 mcg

per day, and recent studies have shown hazards above that level.

Chuck

January 26, 2011

I get 200mcg of selenium in my multivitamin/mineral pill every day, but still

seem to have the conversion problem.

<>Roni

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It's called knowledge!

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

>

> ...I read how it seems to reduce the antibodies and inflammation in the body

> and that Selenium helps muscle pain(I have fibromyalgia). So I bought some

> tonight and am hoping that it helps, but I wanted to pass on the info that

> they said it does that. I really didn't know anything about Selenium and

> it's connection with thyroid disease.

Selenium is involved in producing the enzyme that converts T4 to T3 and

RT3 to T2. All of the claims of benefit are probably connected to that.

You can get too much. There is no real thyroid benefit beyond 200 mcg

per day, and recent studies have shown hazards above that level.

Chuck

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January 26, 2011

They have generic cytomel called liothyronine which is what I take. My insurance

charges too much for the brand names. Maybe you'd be able to get the generic and

afford it.

<>Roni

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It's called knowledge!

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

>

> ...I read how it seems to reduce the antibodies and inflammation in the

body

> and that Selenium helps muscle pain(I have fibromyalgia). So I bought

some

> tonight and am hoping that it helps, but I wanted to pass on the info

that

> they said it does that. I really didn't know anything about Selenium and

> it's connection with thyroid disease.

Selenium is involved in producing the enzyme that converts T4 to T3 and

RT3 to T2. All of the claims of benefit are probably connected to that.

You can get too much. There is no real thyroid benefit beyond 200 mcg

per day, and recent studies have shown hazards above that level.

Chuck

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January 27, 2011

Thanks , you explained a lot with the hair and this. I took a blood

test that said I needed Cytomel. Could it be that I need Selenium to make T3?

Or, even though they are different things...could there be any relation to

each other? I've just been reading all these studies that show that

Selenium in Hashimoto's has shown to lower the amount of antibodies and

inflammation. My neck has felt swollen on and off for a few months and so I

thought

I'd try the Selenium since people did in studies for the same thing at the

200mcg dose. I started 3 days ago and my neck isn't swollen(but it would go

swollen then not swollen...so I can't say it was this for sure). I'm

trying to learn some more about it on google books as that seems to be the best

place to read about it besides the few studies I've been able to find.

In a message dated 1/27/2011 11:57:32 A.M. Central Standard Time,

res075oh@... writes:

Cytomel is T3. It is the thyroid hormone that your body uses, and your

body typically makes it from T4.

Apparently a small percentage of people cannot make adequate T3 from T4

or they may have other problems that causes them to need T3. Why did

you think you needed it? Are you taking T4 [sorry I don't remember]?

Cytomel is hormone; selenium is a mineral. They have completely

different functions that AFAIK are complementary but I don't know any of

the details.

Luck,

..

> Posted by: " tyblossom@... " tyblossom@...

>

<mailto:tyblossom@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Selenium%20lowers%20antibodies>

> tyblossom <tyblossom>

>

> Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:14 pm (PST)

>

> Is this the same thing that Cytomel does? I'm taking one a day of the

> Selenium which is 200 mcg which is what all the studies I've read, had

> their

> subjects taking.

>

> I needed Cytomel, but it was too costly for me to get and I didn't notice

> too much of a difference after taking it for a couple months.

>

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January 27, 2011

Hair analysis is totally unreliable. Splitting a sample and sending it

to different labs returned totally different results. Splitting a

sample and sending it to the same lab under different names got

completely different results. There is no science in interpreting the

results or in the recommendations. Basically it's a quack process

designed to separate you from your money.

Selenium is necessary but in large doses it is a poison so be sure how

much you're getting from all sources.

Luck,

..

> Posted by: " tyblossom@... " tyblossom@...

>

<mailto:tyblossom@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Selenium%20lowers%20antibodies>

> tyblossom <tyblossom>

>

> Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:10 am (PST)

>

> I've had my thyroid adjusted a few times to try and see if it makes a

> difference, and it never has. I'm hoping the Selenium might make a

> difference

> for me. I'm also considering having a Hair Analysis done. Has anyone

> ever had

> that done to see what it shows? I just figured it couldn't hurt...well

> except at the time I pull the hair out LOL.

>

> In a message dated 1/26/2011 9:49:36 A.M. Central Standard Time,

> matchermaam@... <mailto:matchermaam%40> writes:

>

> The most important thing is to ge the right dose of thyroid for yourself.

> That alone is the biggest reducer of pain. Here's some selenium

> information.

>

> <http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/selenium/>

>

> <>Roni

January 27, 2011

Cytomel is T3. It is the thyroid hormone that your body uses, and your

body typically makes it from T4.

Apparently a small percentage of people cannot make adequate T3 from T4

or they may have other problems that causes them to need T3. Why did

you think you needed it? Are you taking T4 [sorry I don't remember]?

Cytomel is hormone; selenium is a mineral. They have completely

different functions that AFAIK are complementary but I don't know any of

the details.

Luck,

..

> Posted by: " tyblossom@... " tyblossom@...

>

<mailto:tyblossom@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Selenium%20lowers%20antibodies>

> tyblossom <tyblossom>

>

> Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:14 pm (PST)

>

> Is this the same thing that Cytomel does? I'm taking one a day of the

> Selenium which is 200 mcg which is what all the studies I've read, had

> their

> subjects taking.

>

> I needed Cytomel, but it was too costly for me to get and I didn't notice

> too much of a difference after taking it for a couple months.

>

January 27, 2011

Here's the article I read that says it may reduce antibodies, but then the

article below is a researcher that says it does.

_http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/87/4/1687_

(http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/87/4/1687)

_http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb4365/is_17_34/ai_n28863518/_

(http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb4365/is_17_34/ai_n28863518/)

I started a couple days ago trying the Selenium in hopes it helps my

swollen neck, itchy legs, and fibromyalgia. Today my neck doesn't feel swollen,

but it was doing it on and off. My legs are still itchy...I don't have bad

fibro pains today...but I still feel weak muscles. It's way to early to know

if this really will help and I wish I had gotten my antiobodies checked to

see if they were high. It's just that I've messed with my dose for a

couple years now thinking that maybe the dose was the problem...but that didn't

help. so hopefully I just have high antibodies since I've had Hashi's for

so long and this will help bring them down and my problems really are

thyroid related. Interestingly I did see something about Selenium being used

for

an itchy scalp...so would be neat if my itchy legs were a result of me

being deficient.

In a message dated 1/27/2011 7:28:09 P.M. Central Standard Time,

gumboyaya@... writes:

On 1/26/2011 5:14 PM, tyblossom@... wrote:

> Is this the same thing that Cytomel does? I'm taking one a day of the

> Selenium which is 200 mcg which is what all the studies I've read, had

> their

> subjects taking.

Not at all. Cytomel is active T3 hormone. It is an alternative to taking

T4 (Synthroid).

The supplements that give you 200 mcg per day are on top of

multivitamins. You need to make sure that the combination does not

exceed the 200 mcg maximum.

BTW, I am extremely dubious about the claims that selenium lowers

antibodies. Please cite a reviewed source.

Chuck

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January 27, 2011

Oh and my multivitamin doesn't have Selenium in it. I'm taking a separate

Selenium that is 200 mcg. Oh and another note I wanted to say is that before

I started taking the Selenium, I swear my heart would race or maybe

pound...not sure if you know what I mean. That seems to have gone away. I don't

know if that has anything to do with this or not, but seems strange that it

happened the next day and I haven't had that problem the last three days.

In a message dated 1/27/2011 7:28:09 P.M. Central Standard Time,

gumboyaya@... writes:

On 1/26/2011 5:14 PM, tyblossom@... wrote:

> Is this the same thing that Cytomel does? I'm taking one a day of the

> Selenium which is 200 mcg which is what all the studies I've read, had

> their

> subjects taking.

Not at all. Cytomel is active T3 hormone. It is an alternative to taking

T4 (Synthroid).

The supplements that give you 200 mcg per day are on top of

multivitamins. You need to make sure that the combination does not

exceed the 200 mcg maximum.

BTW, I am extremely dubious about the claims that selenium lowers

antibodies. Please cite a reviewed source.

Chuck

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On 1/26/2011 5:14 PM, tyblossom@... wrote:

> Is this the same thing that Cytomel does? I'm taking one a day of the

> Selenium which is 200 mcg which is what all the studies I've read, had

> their

> subjects taking.

Not at all. Cytomel is active T3 hormone. It is an alternative to taking

T4 (Synthroid).

The supplements that give you 200 mcg per day are on top of

multivitamins. You need to make sure that the combination does not

exceed the 200 mcg maximum.

BTW, I am extremely dubious about the claims that selenium lowers

antibodies. Please cite a reviewed source.

Chuck

January 28, 2011

>Hair analysis is totally unreliable. Splitting a sample and sending it to

different labs returned totally different results. Splitting a

sample and sending it to the same lab under different names got

completely different results.

have you done either of the above yourself or is the above your 'belief' based

on heresay/what you have read somewhere (i.e. anecdotal)?

>

> Hair analysis is totally unreliable. Splitting a sample and sending it

> to different labs returned totally different results. Splitting a

> sample and sending it to the same lab under different names got

> completely different results. There is no science in interpreting the

> results or in the recommendations. Basically it's a quack process

> designed to separate you from your money.

>

> Selenium is necessary but in large doses it is a poison so be sure how

> much you're getting from all sources.

>

> Luck,

>

> .

>

> > Posted by: " tyblossom@... " tyblossom@...

> >

<mailto:tyblossom@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Selenium%20lowers%20antibodies>

> > tyblossom <tyblossom>

> >

> > Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:10 am (PST)

> >

> > I've had my thyroid adjusted a few times to try and see if it makes a

> > difference, and it never has. I'm hoping the Selenium might make a

> > difference

> > for me. I'm also considering having a Hair Analysis done. Has anyone

> > ever had

> > that done to see what it shows? I just figured it couldn't hurt...well

> > except at the time I pull the hair out LOL.

> >

> > In a message dated 1/26/2011 9:49:36 A.M. Central Standard Time,

> > matchermaam@... <mailto:matchermaam%40> writes:

> >

> > The most important thing is to ge the right dose of thyroid for yourself.

> > That alone is the biggest reducer of pain. Here's some selenium

> > information.

> >

> > <http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/selenium/>

> >

> > <>Roni

>

January 28, 2011

The usual hypothyroidism test is for TSH only and is typically

interpreted to mean you need T4 if it comes back high. T3 is what your

body makes [and uses] from the T4. You don't usually need Cytomel [T3]

unless you are among the small percentage who have a problem with T4.

If you could post your complete lab results [including ranges] probably

someone here [not me] could help you with them.

I think Chuck said selenium is needed for the T4 to T3 conversion

process but you probably better ask him because as I said I don't know.

Regards,

..

>

> Posted by: " tyblossom@... " tyblossom@...

>

<mailto:tyblossom@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Selenium%20lowers%20antibodies>

> tyblossom <tyblossom>

>

> Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:12 am (PST)

>

> Thanks , you explained a lot with the hair and this. I took a blood

> test that said I needed Cytomel. Could it be that I need Selenium to

> make T3?

> Or, even though they are different things...could there be any

> relation to

> each other? I've just been reading all these studies that show that

> Selenium in Hashimoto's has shown to lower the amount of antibodies and

> inflammation. My neck has felt swollen on and off for a few months and

> so I thought

> I'd try the Selenium since people did in studies for the same thing at

> the

> 200mcg dose. I started 3 days ago and my neck isn't swollen(but it

> would go

> swollen then not swollen...so I can't say it was this for sure). I'm

> trying to learn some more about it on google books as that seems to be

> the best

> place to read about it besides the few studies I've been able to find.

>

> In a message dated 1/27/2011 11:57:32 A.M. Central Standard Time,

> res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net> writes:

>

> Cytomel is T3. It is the thyroid hormone that your body uses, and your

> body typically makes it from T4.

>

> Apparently a small percentage of people cannot make adequate T3 from T4

> or they may have other problems that causes them to need T3. Why did

> you think you needed it? Are you taking T4 [sorry I don't remember]?

>

> Cytomel is hormone; selenium is a mineral. They have completely

> different functions that AFAIK are complementary but I don't know any of

> the details.

>

> Luck,

>

> .

January 29, 2011

Both links were not found or not available. Anyway, I couldn't get to the

article you were talking about.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

> Is this the same thing that Cytomel does? I'm taking one a day of the

> Selenium which is 200 mcg which is what all the studies I've read, had

> their

> subjects taking.

Not at all. Cytomel is active T3 hormone. It is an alternative to taking

T4 (Synthroid).

The supplements that give you 200 mcg per day are on top of

multivitamins. You need to make sure that the combination does not

exceed the 200 mcg maximum.

BTW, I am extremely dubious about the claims that selenium lowers

antibodies. Please cite a reviewed source.

Chuck

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If you go to the link above, you can search Selenium and antibodies and

there's a book called Living well with hypothyroidism that has a good section

in it.

I took take magnesium for fibro, but still doesn't make the pains go away.

I wonder if my antibodies have anything to do with that pain.

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Both links were not found or not available. Anyway, I couldn't get to the

article you were talking about.

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> Is this the same thing that Cytomel does? I'm taking one a day of the

> Selenium which is 200 mcg which is what all the studies I've read, had

> their

> subjects taking.

Not at all. Cytomel is active T3 hormone. It is an alternative to taking

T4 (Synthroid).

The supplements that give you 200 mcg per day are on top of

multivitamins. You need to make sure that the combination does not

exceed the 200 mcg maximum.

BTW, I am extremely dubious about the claims that selenium lowers

antibodies. Please cite a reviewed source.

Chuck

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January 29, 2011

I have reduced my antibodies with an elimination diet and supplements. It was

through the elimination diet that my longstanding joint and muscle pain went

away...undiagnosed food sensitivities.n Who knew? I was eating a " good " diet

and not much fast food or junk. I was not happy about diet changes until I

" felt " the results.

I found Living Well with Hypothyroidism helpful. My Armour is down to 90 mg

from 150-160. I still am working on better conversion from T4 to T3. Selenium

and iodine are helping.

Joan

If you go to the link above, you can search Selenium and antibodies and

there's a book called Living well with hypothyroidism that has a good section

in it.

I took take magnesium for fibro, but still doesn't make the pains go away.

I wonder if my antibodies have anything to do with that pain.

January 29, 2011

Ty,

Thanks, that is a suggestive study, as are some of the later ones that

cited it. Note that there were only 70 patients total, with 36 receiving

selenium. TPOab antibodies (only) in the placebo group spontaneously

reduced 88% while the selenium group reduced 63.6%, which is why their

conclusions (and statistics) were somewhat tentative. In Hashi's,

antibodies go up and down, so it is difficulty to get real trends from

small test groups.

As the authors pointed out, Se my simply reduce inflammation in general,

which would give it an advantage for all the autoimmunes, and not just

be specific to the thyroid. If that were the case, we would expect it to

also reduce the TgAb concentrations, but it didn't.

Anyway, I do hope it works for you.

Chuck

January 29, 2011

Ty,

You wrote:

> ..., I swear my heart would race or maybe pound...not sure if you

> know what I mean. That seems to have gone away. I don't

> know if that has anything to do with this or not, but seems strange that it

> happened the next day and I haven't had that problem the last three days.

Again, I would suspect this relates to selenium normalizing T4-T3

conversion. You may be selenium deficient, which would explain the rapid

benefit of the supplement.

Chuck

January 29, 2011

If you examine the credible research for any support for hair analysis

for medical diagnosis you will find there isn't any. If you research

the matter a bit on Google you will find it's just another quack process

designed to separate the gullible from their money. The New York Times

published an article in 1983 which pointed out that hair analysis

produces inconsistent results, uses fraudulent practices, has

unscientific aspects and basically is a consumer ripoff that in some

cases is dangerous [paraphrased].

The below is a report from the JOURNAL OF THE AMERICAN MEDICAL

ASSOCIATION on this subject:

..

>

> Inconsistent results

>

> ^

>

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_analysis_%28alternative_medicine%29#cite_note\

-Brody-6>

>

> In a 1985 investigation of 13 commercial laboratories published in the

> /Journal of the American Medical Association

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journal_of_the_American_Medical_Association>/

> noted inconsistencies and questionable content in their reports and

> recommendations:

>

> " *Hair* samples from two healthy teenagers were sent under assumed

> names to 13 commercial laboratories performing multimineral *hair*

> *analysis*. The reported levels of most minerals varied

> considerably between identical samples sent to the same laboratory

> and from laboratory to laboratory. The laboratories also disagreed

> about what was " normal " or " usual " for many of the minerals. Most

> reports contained computerized interpretations that were

> voluminous, bizarre, and potentially frightening to patients. Six

> laboratories recommended food supplements, but the types and

> amounts varied widely from report to report and from laboratory to

> laboratory. Literature from most of the laboratories suggested

> that their reports were useful in managing a wide variety of

> diseases and supposed nutrient imbalances. However, commercial use

> of *hair* *analysis* in this manner is unscientific, economically

> wasteful, and probably illegal. " ^[1]

>

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_analysis_%28alternative_medicine%29#cite_note\

-barrett-0>

>

> The authors did not explicitly rule out further diagnostic uses for

> *hair* mineral analyses in the future, but listed three issues that

> prevent *hair* mineral tests provided by the sampled labs from being

> accepted as scientifically sound and clinically viable: a lack of

> standardization and general agreement on the techniques by which

> *hair* mineral content was to be determined, a lack of general

> consensus on the meaning of *hair* mineral content analyses, and a

> lack of agreement on treatments for putative imbalances.^[1]

>

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_analysis_%28alternative_medicine%29#cite_note\

-barrett-0>

>

> In 2001 a follow up investigation was conducted to see if things had

> improved since the 1985 investigation. The authors concluded:

>

> " *Hair* mineral *analysis* from these laboratories was unreliable,

> and we recommend that health care practitioners refrain from using

> such analyses to assess individual nutritional status or suspected

> environmental exposures. Problems with the regulation and

> certification of these laboratories also should be addressed. " ^[2]

>

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_analysis_%28alternative_medicine%29#cite_note\

-seidel-1>

>

> Tests have shown that levels of heavy metal in the body may not be

> reflected by the levels in the *hair*.^[8]

>

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_analysis_%28alternative_medicine%29#cite_note\

-teresa-7>

>

> The American Medical Association has stated and restated twice in the

> last two decades their position: " The AMA opposes chemical *analysis*

> of the *hair* as a determinant of the need for medical therapy and

> supports informing the American public and appropriate governmental

> agencies of this unproven practice and its potential for health care

> fraud. " ^[3]

>

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_analysis_%28alternative_medicine%29#cite_note\

-AMA-2>

>

> Isotopic ratios differ slightly by location. Measuring the isotopic

> fingerprint <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopic_signature> in a

> *hair* sample as a function of distance from the scalp suggests a

> record of an individual's gross geographic movements.^[9]

>

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_analysis_%28alternative_medicine%29#cite_note\

-Steenhuysen_2008-8>

>

..

Below is info on peer reviewed studies on hair analysis. You can find

it [and the above material] on Wikipedia and other sources. You will

note that there is nothing here that would be effective in medical

diagnosis; or that supports the fraudulent claims of the con artists:

..

>

> Peer-reviewed studies that suggest further uses for *hair* mineral

> *analysis* in medicine

>

> Despite general health recommendations to refrain from the use of

> *hair* *analysis*, there is some evidence to suggest that *hair*

> *analysis* can be a useful tool in medical research and in clinical

> diagnostics. Studies have found statistically significant differences

> between healthy people and people with autism

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism>, multiple sclerosis

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_sclerosis>, children with

> learning disabilities

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learning_disabilities>, dementia

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dementia>, protein

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein> deficient diets, and histories

> of violent criminal behavior.

>

> * A 2003 study in the International Journal of Toxicology found

> that *hair* mercury levels in autistic infants were

> significantly /lower/ than those in healthy children. The

> authors wrote that " These data cast doubt on the efficacy of

> traditional *hair* *analysis* as a measure of total mercury

> exposure in a subset of the population. " ^[10]

>

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_analysis_%28alternative_medicine%29#cite_note\

-Holmes-9>

>

> * A 1978 study found that " when scalp-*hair* samples from 40

> multiple sclerosis

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_sclerosis> patients and

> 42 controls were analyzed, significant differences were observed

> between the two groups in concentrations of Cu, l, Mn, S, Se,

> and V.^[11]

>

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_analysis_%28alternative_medicine%29#cite_note\

-_De-10>

>

> Illnesses are diagnosed

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_diagnosis> by measuring

> markers that prove the presence of a clear distinguishing difference

> between healthy persons and those with the illness in question.

> Presently, Multiple Sclerosis

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_Sclerosis> is diagnosed, as

> circumstances dictate, by means of a physical examination, an MRI

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MRI> test, or lumbar puncture

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumbar_puncture> into the spine

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertebral_column>.

>

> * A preliminary 1986 study in the Journal of the Royal Society of

> Medicine

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Society_of_Medicine> of

> *hair* metal concentrations in " long-stay hyperactive mentally

> handicapped children and agitated senile dements " found that in

> the children " the only metals showing significant differences at

> the P= 0.01 level were lead <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead>

> and zinc <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinc>. Zinc was

> significantly low in the hyperactive children when compared with

> the controls, and lead was raised. In the blood analyses,

> neither metal showed any statistically significant difference

> between the groups.

>

> The study continued: " The results of the agitated senile dementia

> patients ... The only significant difference at the P= 0.01 level was

> for aluminium <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium>, with the

> agitated patients showing a raised level compared to controls. "

>

> ^[12]

>

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_analysis_%28alternative_medicine%29#cite_note\

-Barlow1-11>

>

> * A 1972 study of *hair* *analysis* in 41 healthy Indonesian

> children and 40 protein-deficient Indonesian children found that

> average *hair* manganese was five times higher and *hair* sodium

> was 2.5 times higher in the protein deficient children. The

> author concluded: " The physiological significance of these

> results is obscure... Despite their statistical significance,

> the increases are not consistent enough for diagnostic use in

> individual subjects. " ^[13]

>

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_analysis_%28alternative_medicine%29#cite_note\

-Bowen-12>

>

> * A 1991 study found that in recently incarcerated inmates,

> " significantly elevated manganese levels were found in the

> *hair* of violent versus nonviolent subjects. " ^[14]

>

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_analysis_%28alternative_medicine%29#cite_note\

-Gottschalk-13>

> Another study, dating to 1989 found that *hair* testing was able

> to correctly identify 86% of the violent and 78% of the

> nonviolent inmates (N= 40+40) that it studied.^[15]

>

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_analysis_%28alternative_medicine%29#cite_note\

-Cromwell-14>

>

..

I hate to see unscrupulous con artists take advantage of the ill

informed but it's your choice. To answer your question directly I'm not

a research scientist, as I have posted here many times.

Luck,

..

> Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@...

>

<mailto:fielddot@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Selenium%20lowers%20antibodies>

> trishruk <trishruk>

>

> Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:49 am (PST)

>

> >Hair analysis is totally unreliable. Splitting a sample and sending

> it to different labs returned totally different results. Splitting a

> sample and sending it to the same lab under different names got

> completely different results.

>

> have you done either of the above yourself or is the above your

> 'belief' based on heresay/what you have read somewhere (i.e. anecdotal)?

>

> >

> > Hair analysis is totally unreliable. Splitting a sample and sending it

> > to different labs returned totally different results. Splitting a

> > sample and sending it to the same lab under different names got

> > completely different results. There is no science in interpreting the

> > results or in the recommendations. Basically it's a quack process

> > designed to separate you from your money.

> >

> > Selenium is necessary but in large doses it is a poison so be sure how

> > much you're getting from all sources.

> >

> > Luck,

> >

January 29, 2011

I use the slo mag, but I " m not sure how much is in there. I just think that

there must be an answer for fibro and I just haven't found it yet. I feel

like I must be deficient in something or it's part of the

hypothyroid...which seems likely since that's the sort of pain that is a

symptom.

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My doctor has rxd 1000 mgs of magnesium. I think the dose is important.

Also fish oil, is at

3600mgs right now.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

> Is this the same thing that Cytomel does? I'm taking one a day of the

> Selenium which is 200 mcg which is what all the studies I've read, had

> their

> subjects taking.

Not at all. Cytomel is active T3 hormone. It is an alternative to taking

T4 (Synthroid).

The supplements that give you 200 mcg per day are on top of

multivitamins. You need to make sure that the combination does not

exceed the 200 mcg maximum.

BTW, I am extremely dubious about the claims that selenium lowers

antibodies. Please cite a reviewed source.

Chuck

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My doctor has rxd 1000 mgs of magnesium. I think the dose is important. Also

fish oil, is at

3600mgs right now.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

> Is this the same thing that Cytomel does? I'm taking one a day of the

> Selenium which is 200 mcg which is what all the studies I've read, had

> their

> subjects taking.

Not at all. Cytomel is active T3 hormone. It is an alternative to taking

T4 (Synthroid).

The supplements that give you 200 mcg per day are on top of

multivitamins. You need to make sure that the combination does not

exceed the 200 mcg maximum.

BTW, I am extremely dubious about the claims that selenium lowers

antibodies. Please cite a reviewed source.

Chuck

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If you had a tv from 1983 and someone said they could give you a tv with HD,

would you also call it quackery anda rip off without trying it?

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