Re: Re: Another Day Another Doctor

[Guest guest]

Thanks Marla and Roni.

Since I was told to follow up with my doctor this morning, I called and said

a friend who has Hashimoto's said I should have free T3 checked. That's

because they don't want to hear about anything I've read, especially if it

was on the Internet. You know I've requested this before, but it hasn't been

done. As usual they are going to call me back, and that is usually after 5

PM. I called the Mayo Clinic back too, told the nurse I have swelling on my

face now, and they are going to call back also. Every time I've received a

call back from that doctor's office, it has been the doctor himself who

called back!

I've been trying to talk with different doctors about hormones, and

they think they know it all. When I took an article written by Dr. Oz, that

says the newer estrogens help prevent breast Cancer, and the number one

killer of women, heart disease, they don't want to hear it. I also told

them I'd like to take it because it helps maintain bone density. A few days

ago, at the end of the appointment, the doctor walked out, left the door

open, and I heard him saying Dr. Oz, Dr. Oz. Why doesn't she go to Dr. Oz.

I checked the credentials of Dr. Oz who went to Harvard, and they are far

superior to those of my doctor, who went to the University of Central FL. I

need to go to a woman, and there is one here who is knowledgable in this

area.

http://www.healthcarecrossing.com/article/440068/We-re-Off-to-See-the-Doctor-A-W\

onderful-Doctor-Named-Oz/

Barb

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:17 AM, flatwoodfarms <marlum@...> wrote:

>

>

> I agree with Roni; you need to check more hormone levels. I know people on

> here were saying to stay away from bio-identical hormone " pushers " , but many

> doctors who deal in that and/or anti aging actually have a knowledge of the

> " hormone dance " , and so can be very helpful to women your age. Edema can be

> a symptom of hormone imbalance due to hormones controlling the come and go

> of fluids in our bodies. Many peri/post-menopausal women should probably be

> taking estrogen and progesterone in a cyclical dosing pattern to mimic the

> natural cycle they have lost.

> Marla

>

>

>

> >

> > They need to check your FreeT3 . The tests he did were inadequate to find

> out what is floating around in your blood.

> >

> >

> > <>Roni

> > Immortality exists!

> > It's called knowledge!

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 11:15 PM, Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> wrote:

>

>

> I'd love to read that article by Dr. Oz. Do you know where I could find it?

>

> <>Roni

> Immortality exists!

> It's called knowledge!

>

> Just because something isn't seen

> doesn't mean it's not there<>

>

Sure Roni. Here's the link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mehmet-oz/women-and-menopause-why-h_b_780069.ht

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > I agree with Roni; you need to check more hormone levels. I know people

> on

> > here were saying to stay away from bio-identical hormone " pushers " , but

> many

> > doctors who deal in that and/or anti aging actually have a knowledge of

> the

> > " hormone dance " , and so can be very helpful to women your age. Edema can

> be

> > a symptom of hormone imbalance due to hormones controlling the come and

> go

> > of fluids in our bodies. Many peri/post-menopausal women should probably

> be

> > taking estrogen and progesterone in a cyclical dosing pattern to mimic

> the

> > natural cycle they have lost.

> > Marla

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > They need to check your FreeT3 . The tests he did were inadequate to

> find

> > out what is floating around in your blood.

> > >

> > >

> > > <>Roni

> > > Immortality exists!

> > > It's called knowledge!

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

They won't let me get to the article.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

>

> >

> >

> > I agree with Roni; you need to check more hormone levels. I know people

> on

> > here were saying to stay away from bio-identical hormone " pushers " , but

> many

> > doctors who deal in that and/or anti aging actually have a knowledge of

> the

> > " hormone dance " , and so can be very helpful to women your age. Edema can

> be

> > a symptom of hormone imbalance due to hormones controlling the come and

> go

> > of fluids in our bodies. Many peri/post-menopausal women should probably

> be

> > taking estrogen and progesterone in a cyclical dosing pattern to mimic

> the

> > natural cycle they have lost.

> > Marla

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > They need to check your FreeT3 . The tests he did were inadequate to

> find

> > out what is floating around in your blood.

> > >

> > >

> > > <>Roni

> > > Immortality exists!

> > > It's called knowledge!

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Since I don't know a lot about medicine, you could be right. What I do know

is that for the 27 years I took Estrace, which is estrogen without

progesterine, I felt great and never had any health problems of any kind. I

was younger then, but I just stopped taking it five years ago, and it's been

downhill ever since.

Barb

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 1:35 PM, <res075oh@...> wrote:

>

>

> AFAIK Dr. Oz is an excellent cardiologist; unfortunately that's where

> the excellence ends. He promotes a lot of flim-flam meaningless

> mumbo-jumbo and a number of practices that fit squarely into what is

> well known as 100% quackery. His lack of knowledge of simple logic is

> appalling in any person who ever cracked a science book. Try putting

> " Dr. Oz quackery " into Google to see what I mean.

>

> Regards,

>

> .

> .

>

> > Posted by: " Barbara Mackie " macbarb0503@...<macbarb0503%40gmail.com>

> > <mailto:macbarb0503@... <macbarb0503%40gmail.com>

> ?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Another%20Day%20Another%20Doctor>

> >

> >

> >

> > Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:01 am (PST)

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks Marla and Roni.

> >

> > Since I was told to follow up with my doctor this morning, I called

> > and said

> > a friend who has Hashimoto's said I should have free T3 checked. That's

> > because they don't want to hear about anything I've read, especially if

> it

> > was on the Internet. You know I've requested this before, but it

> > hasn't been

> > done. As usual they are going to call me back, and that is usually after

> 5

> > PM. I called the Mayo Clinic back too, told the nurse I have swelling

> > on my

> > face now, and they are going to call back also. Every time I've received

> a

> > call back from that doctor's office, it has been the doctor himself who

> > called back!

> >

> > I've been trying to talk with different doctors about hormones, and

> > they think they know it all. When I took an article written by Dr. Oz,

> > that

> > says the newer estrogens help prevent breast Cancer, and the number one

> > killer of women, heart disease, they don't want to hear it. I also told

> > them I'd like to take it because it helps maintain bone density. A few

> > days

> > ago, at the end of the appointment, the doctor walked out, left the door

> > open, and I heard him saying Dr. Oz, Dr. Oz. Why doesn't she go to Dr.

> Oz.

> > I checked the credentials of Dr. Oz who went to Harvard, and they are far

> > superior to those of my doctor, who went to the University of Central

> > FL. I

> > need to go to a woman, and there is one here who is knowledgable in this

> > area.

> >

>

http://www.healthcarecrossing.com/article/440068/We-re-Off-to-See-the-Doctor-A-W\

onderful-Doctor-Named-Oz/

> > <

>

http://www.healthcarecrossing.com/article/440068/We-re-Off-to-See-the-Doctor-A-W\

onderful-Doctor-Named-Oz/

> >

> >

> > Barb

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I understand. Thanks for you input .

PS: I found my birth certificate. LOL!

Barb

On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 1:08 PM, <res075oh@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hi, Barb. I don't know anything about Estrace and very little about

> estrogen and progesterine. Further, as I have posted many times I'm no

> expert in anything. Your own experience and knowledge will have to be

> your guide here.

>

> My comments are to the effect that outside his field of specialty

> [cardiology] I'd be very leery of anything Dr. Oz has to say.

>

>

> Regards,

> .

> .

>

> > Posted by: " Barbara Mackie " macbarb0503@...<macbarb0503%40gmail.com>

> > <mailto:macbarb0503@... <macbarb0503%40gmail.com>

> ?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Another%20Day%20Another%20Doctor>

> > westieabbey <westieabbey>

> >

> >

> > Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:47 am (PST)

>

> >

> >

> >

> > ,

> >

> > Since I don't know a lot about medicine, you could be right. What I do

> > know

> > is that for the 27 years I took Estrace, which is estrogen without

> > progesterine, I felt great and never had any health problems of any

> > kind. I

> > was younger then, but I just stopped taking it five years ago, and

> > it's been

> > downhill ever since.

> >

> > Barb

> >

> > On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 1:35 PM,

<res075oh@...<res075oh%40verizon.net>

> > <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net <res075oh%2540verizon.net>>> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > AFAIK Dr. Oz is an excellent cardiologist; unfortunately that's where

> > > the excellence ends. He promotes a lot of flim-flam meaningless

> > > mumbo-jumbo and a number of practices that fit squarely into what is

> > > well known as 100% quackery. His lack of knowledge of simple logic is

> > > appalling in any person who ever cracked a science book. Try putting

> > > " Dr. Oz quackery " into Google to see what I mean.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Actually, I just did some research, and it does say that for osteoporosis, one

of the protocols is estrogen. Of course, I'm going to see my internist very

soon, and I want an estrogen level test to see if I think this might be a good

protocol for me.

 

Dr. Oz, as all surgeons have to go through the same training as every other

doctor, and then they ususally do more in their own department. For a new

doctor, I'd agree with you, but with one that is so experienced (about 30

years), and so involved with many other areas of medicine, I would trust him

over a hefty percentage of doctors that stay in their own little cubicles

handing out the same recommendations for drugs day after day.

 

Roni

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > AFAIK Dr. Oz is an excellent cardiologist; unfortunately that's where

> > > the excellence ends. He promotes a lot of flim-flam meaningless

> > > mumbo-jumbo and a number of practices that fit squarely into what is

> > > well known as 100% quackery. His lack of knowledge of simple logic is

> > > appalling in any person who ever cracked a science book. Try putting

> > > " Dr. Oz quackery " into Google to see what I mean.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

>

> 

>

[Guest guest]

Those are very good points Roni. Thanks.

Barb

On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> wrote:

>

>

> Actually, I just did some research, and it does say that for osteoporosis,

> one of the protocols is estrogen. Of course, I'm going to see my internist

> very soon, and I want an estrogen level test to see if I think this might be

> a good protocol for me.

>

> Dr. Oz, as all surgeons have to go through the same training as every other

> doctor, and then they ususally do more in their own department. For a new

> doctor, I'd agree with you, but with one that is so experienced (about 30

> years), and so involved with many other areas of medicine, I would trust him

> over a hefty percentage of doctors that stay in their own little cubicles

> handing out the same recommendations for drugs day after day.

>

> Roni

>

> <>Roni

> Immortality exists!

> It's called knowledge!

>

> Just because something isn't seen

> doesn't mean it's not there<>

>

>

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > AFAIK Dr. Oz is an excellent cardiologist; unfortunately that's where

> > > > the excellence ends. He promotes a lot of flim-flam meaningless

> > > > mumbo-jumbo and a number of practices that fit squarely into what is

> > > > well known as 100% quackery. His lack of knowledge of simple logic is

> > > > appalling in any person who ever cracked a science book. Try putting

> > > > " Dr. Oz quackery " into Google to see what I mean.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Barb, I've had the same experience with the health thing except that I was also

on progesterone. I want to get tested to see if I need these things now. I

thought I didn't, because the hot flashes stopped but maybe I do. Who knows?

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

>

> >

> >

> > AFAIK Dr. Oz is an excellent cardiologist; unfortunately that's where

> > the excellence ends. He promotes a lot of flim-flam meaningless

> > mumbo-jumbo and a number of practices that fit squarely into what is

> > well known as 100% quackery. His lack of knowledge of simple logic is

> > appalling in any person who ever cracked a science book. Try putting

> > " Dr. Oz quackery " into Google to see what I mean.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

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[Guest guest]

Roni,

It's probably a good idea to check. I'm for anything that will help. Good

luck with that.

Barb

On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> wrote:

>

>

> Barb, I've had the same experience with the health thing except that I was

> also on progesterone. I want to get tested to see if I need these things

> now. I thought I didn't, because the hot flashes stopped but maybe I do. Who

> knows?

>

>

> <>Roni

> Immortality exists!

> It's called knowledge!

>

> Just because something isn't seen

> doesn't mean it's not there<>

>

>

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > AFAIK Dr. Oz is an excellent cardiologist; unfortunately that's where

> > > the excellence ends. He promotes a lot of flim-flam meaningless

> > > mumbo-jumbo and a number of practices that fit squarely into what is

> > > well known as 100% quackery. His lack of knowledge of simple logic is

> > > appalling in any person who ever cracked a science book. Try putting

> > > " Dr. Oz quackery " into Google to see what I mean.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Have you ever had Reiki perfomed on you?

 

 

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

From: <res075oh@...>

Subject: Re: Another Day Another Doctor

hypothyroidism

Date: Monday, January 24, 2011, 5:44 AM

That's your choice, of course.  For me when I find someone is posting a

number of things that are patently BS then it gives me cause to doubt

anything he says.  OTOH if you're into Rolfing and Reiki or similar

scams he might be right up you alley.  I'd personally vastly prefer you

see someone who doesn't quack like a duck, but it's your choice.

Best,

..

..

>       Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

>   

   <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Another%20Day%20Another%20Do\

ctor>

>       matchermaam <matchermaam>

>

>

>         Sun Jan 23, 2011 11:13 am (PST)

>

>

>

> Actually, I just did some research, and it does say that for

> osteoporosis, one of the protocols is estrogen. Of course, I'm going

> to see my internist very soon, and I want an estrogen level test to

> see if I think this might be a good protocol for me.

>

> Dr. Oz, as all surgeons have to go through the same training as every

> other doctor, and then they ususally do more in their own department.

> For a new doctor, I'd agree with you, but with one that is so

> experienced (about 30 years), and so involved with many other areas of

> medicine, I would trust him over a hefty percentage of doctors that

> stay in their own little cubicles handing out the same recommendations

> for drugs day after day.

>

> Roni

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

, you don't seem to know what Reiki is. There is no way that it could be

unwise to try it.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

>

> From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>>

> Subject: Re: Another Day Another Doctor

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Date: Monday, January 24, 2011, 5:44 AM

>

> That's your choice, of course.  For me when I find someone is posting a

> number of things that are patently BS then it gives me cause to doubt

> anything he says.  OTOH if you're into Rolfing and Reiki or similar

> scams he might be right up you alley.  I'd personally vastly prefer you

> see someone who doesn't quack like a duck, but it's your choice.

>

> Best,

>

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