Re: Another Day Another Doctor

[Guest guest]

They need to check your FreeT3 . The tests he did were inadequate to find out

what is floating around in your blood.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

From: Barbara Mackie <macbarb0503@...>

Subject: Another Day Another Doctor

" Hypothyroidism " <hypothyroidism >

Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 7:11 PM

Today I went to the walk in clinic and saw the doctor I had met previously

in the emergency room.  He was attentive, listened well, and wanted to find

out what was causing the swelling and the rapid heart beat.  When I told him

there were no swollen lymph nodes at the base of my neck, he insisted on a

scan because I've had the swelling for over a month now.  He ordered blood

tests, which showed the TSH and T4 right where they should be in the normal

range.  He checked other levels, and for anemia which I don't have, because

he thought that might elevate the heart rate too.  Today it was 104 in the

doctor's office!

Then he suggested a CAT scan to check for a blocked duct or a tumor that

could account for the swelling.  I told him there was NO WAY I was letting

them inject that iodine into me again, since it was after the last Cat scan

I got the high TSH levels for the first time, and he said they could do it

without the iodine.  I said I wanted an MRI.  He claimed the MRI would not

be as effective for seeing what he needed to see as the CAT scan, even

without the contrast.  Dummy me, let him talk me into it, without the

iodine.  He claims it's the same amount of radiation as a long plane flight,

and that people don't realize it's a safe test.  Then he said it would only

be done from about the bottom of my nose to the upper part of my chest.

Wouldn't the chest x-ray have showed a tumor behind the breast bone or in

the upper chest?  I asked him if it wasn't more likely the thyroid, which we

know is enlarged, might be pressing on a duct, and he said that's possible.

Anyway, the CAT scan came back normal, but he said there were a few lymph

nodes under my chin that were borderline swollen.  He could have found that

out by feeling them.  I told him I don't think they're any bigger than they

ever were because I had mono as a child and had some swollen lymph nodes in

that area that never went back to their normal size.  Then he said I might

have an infection, prescribed an antibiotic, and asked me to follow up with

my know nothing doctor tomorrow.  He said if the lymph nodes don't go down,

a biopsy might need to be done, but that would be up to my doctor.

So I know what it isn't.  It's not lung Cancer, and my heart looked normal

in the x-ray.  That's good news and I'm thankful.  Unfortunately I still

don't know what it is, and the opposite cheek is starting to swell up a

little now.

I'm mad at myself for letting them talk me into the CAT scan because I

remember what Chuck wrote about getting an MRI instead.  Even though I told

them that's what I wanted, somehow they convinced me to have the CAT scan by

saying it was only on a small area of my body and the radiation was no worse

than a long flight, blah, blah blah.  I sure hope I haven't made matters

worse.

I'm definitely calling the Mayo Clinic back tomorrow to tell them about the

swelling on my face, to see what they have to say about it.

Barb

[Guest guest]

I agree with Roni; you need to check more hormone levels. I know people on here

were saying to stay away from bio-identical hormone " pushers " , but many doctors

who deal in that and/or anti aging actually have a knowledge of the " hormone

dance " , and so can be very helpful to women your age. Edema can be a symptom of

hormone imbalance due to hormones controlling the come and go of fluids in our

bodies. Many peri/post-menopausal women should probably be taking estrogen and

progesterone in a cyclical dosing pattern to mimic the natural cycle they have

lost.

Marla

>

> They need to check your FreeT3 . The tests he did were inadequate to find out

what is floating around in your blood.

>

>

> <>Roni

> Immortality exists!

> It's called knowledge!

[Guest guest]

The good news is that finally has your email address corrected! [ggg]

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> Posted by: " Barbara Mackie " macbarb0503@...

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> Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:17 pm (PST)

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> Today I went to the walk in clinic and saw the doctor I had met previously

> in the emergency room. He was attentive, listened well, and wanted to find

> out what was causing the swelling and the rapid heart beat. When I

> told him

> there were no swollen lymph nodes at the base of my neck, he insisted on a

> scan because I've had the swelling for over a month now. He ordered blood

> tests, which showed the TSH and T4 right where they should be in the

> normal

> range. He checked other levels, and for anemia which I don't have, because

> he thought that might elevate the heart rate too. Today it was 104 in the

> doctor's office!

>

> Then he suggested a CAT scan to check for a blocked duct or a tumor that

> could account for the swelling. I told him there was NO WAY I was letting

> them inject that iodine into me again, since it was after the last Cat

> scan

> I got the high TSH levels for the first time, and he said they could do it

> without the iodine. I said I wanted an MRI. He claimed the MRI would not

> be as effective for seeing what he needed to see as the CAT scan, even

> without the contrast. Dummy me, let him talk me into it, without the

> iodine. He claims it's the same amount of radiation as a long plane

> flight,

> and that people don't realize it's a safe test. Then he said it would only

> be done from about the bottom of my nose to the upper part of my chest.

> Wouldn't the chest x-ray have showed a tumor behind the breast bone or in

> the upper chest? I asked him if it wasn't more likely the thyroid,

> which we

> know is enlarged, might be pressing on a duct, and he said that's

> possible.

>

> Anyway, the CAT scan came back normal, but he said there were a few lymph

> nodes under my chin that were borderline swollen. He could have found that

> out by feeling them. I told him I don't think they're any bigger than they

> ever were because I had mono as a child and had some swollen lymph

> nodes in

> that area that never went back to their normal size. Then he said I might

> have an infection, prescribed an antibiotic, and asked me to follow up

> with

> my know nothing doctor tomorrow. He said if the lymph nodes don't go down,

> a biopsy might need to be done, but that would be up to my doctor.

>

> So I know what it isn't. It's not lung Cancer, and my heart looked normal

> in the x-ray. That's good news and I'm thankful. Unfortunately I still

> don't know what it is, and the opposite cheek is starting to swell up a

> little now.

>

> I'm mad at myself for letting them talk me into the CAT scan because I

> remember what Chuck wrote about getting an MRI instead. Even though I told

> them that's what I wanted, somehow they convinced me to have the CAT

> scan by

> saying it was only on a small area of my body and the radiation was no

> worse

> than a long flight, blah, blah blah. I sure hope I haven't made matters

> worse.

>

> I'm definitely calling the Mayo Clinic back tomorrow to tell them

> about the

> swelling on my face, to see what they have to say about it.

>

> Barb

[Guest guest]

I finally copied and pasted the link and then it worked. I still don't know if

it's a good idea or a bad one to take HRT post menopause. I'll have to find the

answer to that question.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

From: Barbara Mackie <macbarb0503@...>

Subject: Another Day Another Doctor

" Hypothyroidism " <hypothyroidism >

Date: Friday, January 21, 2011, 8:29 PM

Here's the link Roni:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mehmet-oz/women-and-menopause-why-h_b_780069.ht\

ml

[Guest guest]

I think it's a good idea to take the estrogen and progesterone separately, in a

cyclical fashion, not at the same time. Similar to what happens for all of your

life, until menopause.

Marla

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>

> From: Barbara Mackie <macbarb0503@...>

> Subject: Another Day Another Doctor

> " Hypothyroidism " <hypothyroidism >

> Date: Friday, January 21, 2011, 8:29 PM

>

>

> Here's the link Roni:

>

>

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mehmet-oz/women-and-menopause-why-h_b_780069.ht\

ml

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>

[Guest guest]

The " pushers " that I have warned against are those who " push " their

brand of preferred T4 or T3 as being better than the competition because

it is bioidentical, with the impression deliberately given that the

competition is not bioidentical. Since all T4 and T3 from whatever

source is in fact bioidentical [in that the molecules are EXACTLY the

same] these " pushers " are either ignorant of that fact or else they are

well aware of the fact and choose to hide it. In the former case they

are ignorant to the point that I could not recommend them to you; in the

latter case they are some kind of con artist. I would hope no one here

has to rely upon someone massivily ignorant or a con artist for help.

As for the bioidentical nature of other products I have no comment, as I

have little or no knowledge of them. I do admit that it seems to me

that " pushers " in general are not the most trustworthy source of any

kind of information or advice.

Luck'

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> flatwoodfarms <flatwoodfarms>

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> Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:17 am (PST)

>

>

>

> I agree with Roni; you need to check more hormone levels. I know

> people on here were saying to stay away from bio-identical hormone

> " pushers " , but many doctors who deal in that and/or anti aging

> actually have a knowledge of the " hormone dance " , and so can be very

> helpful to women your age. Edema can be a symptom of hormone imbalance

> due to hormones controlling the come and go of fluids in our bodies.

> Many peri/post-menopausa

> l women should probably be taking estrogen and progesterone in a

> cyclical dosing pattern to mimic the natural cycle they have lost.

> Marla

[Guest guest]

AFAIK Dr. Oz is an excellent cardiologist; unfortunately that's where

the excellence ends. He promotes a lot of flim-flam meaningless

mumbo-jumbo and a number of practices that fit squarely into what is

well known as 100% quackery. His lack of knowledge of simple logic is

appalling in any person who ever cracked a science book. Try putting

" Dr. Oz quackery " into Google to see what I mean.

Regards,

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> Posted by: " Barbara Mackie " macbarb0503@...

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> Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:01 am (PST)

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> Thanks Marla and Roni.

>

> Since I was told to follow up with my doctor this morning, I called

> and said

> a friend who has Hashimoto's said I should have free T3 checked. That's

> because they don't want to hear about anything I've read, especially if it

> was on the Internet. You know I've requested this before, but it

> hasn't been

> done. As usual they are going to call me back, and that is usually after 5

> PM. I called the Mayo Clinic back too, told the nurse I have swelling

> on my

> face now, and they are going to call back also. Every time I've received a

> call back from that doctor's office, it has been the doctor himself who

> called back!

>

> I've been trying to talk with different doctors about hormones, and

> they think they know it all. When I took an article written by Dr. Oz,

> that

> says the newer estrogens help prevent breast Cancer, and the number one

> killer of women, heart disease, they don't want to hear it. I also told

> them I'd like to take it because it helps maintain bone density. A few

> days

> ago, at the end of the appointment, the doctor walked out, left the door

> open, and I heard him saying Dr. Oz, Dr. Oz. Why doesn't she go to Dr. Oz.

> I checked the credentials of Dr. Oz who went to Harvard, and they are far

> superior to those of my doctor, who went to the University of Central

> FL. I

> need to go to a woman, and there is one here who is knowledgable in this

> area.

>

http://www.healthcarecrossing.com/article/440068/We-re-Off-to-See-the-Doctor-A-W\

onderful-Doctor-Named-Oz/

>

<http://www.healthcarecrossing.com/article/440068/We-re-Off-to-See-the-Doctor-A-\

Wonderful-Doctor-Named-Oz/>

>

> Barb

[Guest guest]

That's your choice, of course. For me when I find someone is posting a

number of things that are patently BS then it gives me cause to doubt

anything he says. OTOH if you're into Rolfing and Reiki or similar

scams he might be right up you alley. I'd personally vastly prefer you

see someone who doesn't quack like a duck, but it's your choice.

Best,

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> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

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> matchermaam <matchermaam>

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> Sun Jan 23, 2011 11:13 am (PST)

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> Actually, I just did some research, and it does say that for

> osteoporosis, one of the protocols is estrogen. Of course, I'm going

> to see my internist very soon, and I want an estrogen level test to

> see if I think this might be a good protocol for me.

>

> Dr. Oz, as all surgeons have to go through the same training as every

> other doctor, and then they ususally do more in their own department.

> For a new doctor, I'd agree with you, but with one that is so

> experienced (about 30 years), and so involved with many other areas of

> medicine, I would trust him over a hefty percentage of doctors that

> stay in their own little cubicles handing out the same recommendations

> for drugs day after day.

>

> Roni

[Guest guest]

No; and [to illustrate the logical fallacy]* I never ate a $#!t

sandwich. Nor will I ever.

Regards,

*The logical fallacy of saying, " If you never tried it then you don't

know " contains the false assumption that there are not other ways of

knowing besides trying something. As a matter of fact there are

multiple ways. There are numerous things that it is patently unwise to

try for oneself.

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> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

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> matchermaam <matchermaam>

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> Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:52 am (PST)

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>

>

> Have you ever had Reiki perfomed on you?

>

>

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> <>Roni

> Immortality exists!

> It's called knowledge!

>

> Just because something isn't seen

> doesn't mean it's not there<>

>

>

>

> From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>>

> Subject: Re: Another Day Another Doctor

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Date: Monday, January 24, 2011, 5:44 AM

>

> That's your choice, of course. For me when I find someone is posting a

> number of things that are patently BS then it gives me cause to doubt

> anything he says. OTOH if you're into Rolfing and Reiki or similar

> scams he might be right up you alley. I'd personally vastly prefer you

> see someone who doesn't quack like a duck, but it's your choice.

>

> Best,

>