Re: Re: Hashi and Alternative Treatments

[Guest guest]

One way or the other, your body needs thyroid hormone. If your body is not

making enough or none at all the only thing you can do is replace what your body

should be making by taking thyroid orally. Without thyroid hormone a person can

die, and many do.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

From: flatwoodfarms <marlum@...>

Subject: Re: Hashi and alternative treatments

hypothyroidism

Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 7:22 AM

Look into Paleo Nutrition.  There are many discussions/blogs about this type of

eating and it could help with auto immune diseases, as it means no wheat,

barley, rye, oats (ie gluten)or fructose in the diet. Check out Univ. of Cal.

San Diego; they have a Celiac Disease site that has info on gluten problems and

autoimmunity.

Marla

>

> Where can I get some alternative ideas on dealing with Hashi.

>

> Allopathic medecine does not seem to want to look for a root casuse.  Their

approach is to ignore it and when you thryoid is no longer working put you on a

hormone for life.

>

> If you can attach the root cause you may have a shot at a better life.

>

> I am familar with Dr. K and Brownstien.  All controversial but that should be

expected.  At least they are trying to solve the problem and they have some

success.

>

> Are there any other approaches out there I could learn about.?

>

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Thanks . That all makes sense. I do try to avoid soy, but as you

said, it's hard. Now I will choose a baked potato instead of mashed if

eating out, and when cooking or buying groceries, I will look for

ingredients that don't contain soy. Even salads are tricky when eating out,

because of the dressings. I would be happy with olive oil and vinegar, but

most restaurants around here don't have olive oil. They use a cheaper oil.

There are many things served in restaurants they contain soy, so it's

probably better to eat at home more.

I have eliminated the raw fruits and vegetables that are considered

goitrogens, like strawberries, peaches, cabbage, cauliflower, onion,

radishes, spinach, etc. I always thought they were good for us. The other

thing that I've cut out that I used to have on salads a lot is raw slivered

almonds. Who knew that wasn't a healthy choice? I guess it is for anyone

who doesn't have thyroid disease. You probably don't have to be concerned

about goitrogens if you don't have a goiter?

Barb

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 10:39 AM, <res075oh@...> wrote:

>

>

> Here's my take: Soy is a thoroughly unhealthy product that contains

> numerous toxins. It has been cooked and processed and manipulated until

> many/most of the toxins are reduced or eliminated [probably adding heavy

> metals in the process]. Then with a multi-million dollar [or maybe

> hundreds of millions] propaganda advertising campaign over years it has

> been promoted as a HEALTH FOOD! One of the most successful propaganda

> examples in history. IIRC it attacks both the thyroid gland and the

> serum thyroxine, so it's bad news. Not all of the bad things are

> completely removed from it. It's in so many foods now that it's almost

> impossible to totally avoid but I'd suggest doing the best you can.

> It's not always listed on the list of ingredients as soy.

>

> As for the goitrogens like cabbage and so on I'm not so sure. I think

> they have good attributes that to me at least somewhat counteract what I

> think of as their negative attributes. I seems to me that if you're on

> a full replacement dose then if they reduce the effectiveness of your

> T4/T3 you can just take a bit more of them. I personally don't pay any

> attention at all to whether I'm eating a goitrogen or not; but I'm sure

> at least some of the experts will dispute the wisdom of my position.

> YMMV...

>

> Luck,

>

> .

> .

>

> > Posted by: " H " macbarb0503@... <macbarb0503%40aol.com>

> > <mailto:macbarb0503@... <macbarb0503%40aol.com>

> ?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hashi%20and%20Alternative%20Treatments>

> > westieabbey <westieabbey>

> >

> >

> > Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:37 am (PST)

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I just came from my internist. As usual I took a list of questions.

> > One question I asked was if I should stop eating soy, gluten, and

> > goitrogens. He said I should eat anything I want. The endo at the Mayo

> > Clinic told me the same thing, but in moderation.

> >

> > If changing what we eat won't stop the progression of the disease,

> > which it won't, and doesn't make a noticable difference in how we

> > feel, why do it? I started reading labels as Roni suggested. There are

> > so many foods containing soy and gluten, that it seems like there

> > isn't much left to eat. Yesterday I had spaghetti with italian

> > sausage. After eating it, I realized that under that type of eating

> > plan, I shouldn't have had either.

> >

> > Barb

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi I have learnt to avoid soy the hard way as got very ill while trying a well

know milkshake meal replacement diet that is made with soy milk! I didn't

realise until I checked the ingrediants!. Emma

Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

Re: Re: Hashi and Alternative Treatments

Thanks . That all makes sense. I do try to avoid soy, but as you

said, it's hard. Now I will choose a baked potato instead of mashed if

eating out, and when cooking or buying groceries, I will look for

ingredients that don't contain soy. Even salads are tricky when eating out,

because of the dressings. I would be happy with olive oil and vinegar, but

most restaurants around here don't have olive oil. They use a cheaper oil.

There are many things served in restaurants they contain soy, so it's

probably better to eat at home more.

I have eliminated the raw fruits and vegetables that are considered

goitrogens, like strawberries, peaches, cabbage, cauliflower, onion,

radishes, spinach, etc. I always thought they were good for us. The other

thing that I've cut out that I used to have on salads a lot is raw slivered

almonds. Who knew that wasn't a healthy choice? I guess it is for anyone

who doesn't have thyroid disease. You probably don't have to be concerned

about goitrogens if you don't have a goiter?

Barb

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 10:39 AM, <res075oh@...> wrote:

>

>

> Here's my take: Soy is a thoroughly unhealthy product that contains

> numerous toxins. It has been cooked and processed and manipulated until

> many/most of the toxins are reduced or eliminated [probably adding heavy

> metals in the process]. Then with a multi-million dollar [or maybe

> hundreds of millions] propaganda advertising campaign over years it has

> been promoted as a HEALTH FOOD! One of the most successful propaganda

> examples in history. IIRC it attacks both the thyroid gland and the

> serum thyroxine, so it's bad news. Not all of the bad things are

> completely removed from it. It's in so many foods now that it's almost

> impossible to totally avoid but I'd suggest doing the best you can.

> It's not always listed on the list of ingredients as soy.

>

> As for the goitrogens like cabbage and so on I'm not so sure. I think

> they have good attributes that to me at least somewhat counteract what I

> think of as their negative attributes. I seems to me that if you're on

> a full replacement dose then if they reduce the effectiveness of your

> T4/T3 you can just take a bit more of them. I personally don't pay any

> attention at all to whether I'm eating a goitrogen or not; but I'm sure

> at least some of the experts will dispute the wisdom of my position.

> YMMV...

>

> Luck,

>

> .

> .

>

> > Posted by: " H " macbarb0503@... <macbarb0503%40aol.com>

> > <mailto:macbarb0503@... <macbarb0503%40aol.com>

> ?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hashi%20and%20Alternative%20Treatments>

> > westieabbey <westieabbey>

> >

> >

> > Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:37 am (PST)

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I just came from my internist. As usual I took a list of questions.

> > One question I asked was if I should stop eating soy, gluten, and

> > goitrogens. He said I should eat anything I want. The endo at the Mayo

> > Clinic told me the same thing, but in moderation.

> >

> > If changing what we eat won't stop the progression of the disease,

> > which it won't, and doesn't make a noticable difference in how we

> > feel, why do it? I started reading labels as Roni suggested. There are

> > so many foods containing soy and gluten, that it seems like there

> > isn't much left to eat. Yesterday I had spaghetti with italian

> > sausage. After eating it, I realized that under that type of eating

> > plan, I shouldn't have had either.

> >

> > Barb

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi I have learnt to avoid soy the hard way as got very ill while trying a well

know milkshake meal replacement diet that is made with soy milk! I didn't

realise until I checked the ingrediants!. Emma

Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

Re: Re: Hashi and Alternative Treatments

Thanks . That all makes sense. I do try to avoid soy, but as you

said, it's hard. Now I will choose a baked potato instead of mashed if

eating out, and when cooking or buying groceries, I will look for

ingredients that don't contain soy. Even salads are tricky when eating out,

because of the dressings. I would be happy with olive oil and vinegar, but

most restaurants around here don't have olive oil. They use a cheaper oil.

There are many things served in restaurants they contain soy, so it's

probably better to eat at home more.

I have eliminated the raw fruits and vegetables that are considered

goitrogens, like strawberries, peaches, cabbage, cauliflower, onion,

radishes, spinach, etc. I always thought they were good for us. The other

thing that I've cut out that I used to have on salads a lot is raw slivered

almonds. Who knew that wasn't a healthy choice? I guess it is for anyone

who doesn't have thyroid disease. You probably don't have to be concerned

about goitrogens if you don't have a goiter?

Barb

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 10:39 AM, <res075oh@...> wrote:

>

>

> Here's my take: Soy is a thoroughly unhealthy product that contains

> numerous toxins. It has been cooked and processed and manipulated until

> many/most of the toxins are reduced or eliminated [probably adding heavy

> metals in the process]. Then with a multi-million dollar [or maybe

> hundreds of millions] propaganda advertising campaign over years it has

> been promoted as a HEALTH FOOD! One of the most successful propaganda

> examples in history. IIRC it attacks both the thyroid gland and the

> serum thyroxine, so it's bad news. Not all of the bad things are

> completely removed from it. It's in so many foods now that it's almost

> impossible to totally avoid but I'd suggest doing the best you can.

> It's not always listed on the list of ingredients as soy.

>

> As for the goitrogens like cabbage and so on I'm not so sure. I think

> they have good attributes that to me at least somewhat counteract what I

> think of as their negative attributes. I seems to me that if you're on

> a full replacement dose then if they reduce the effectiveness of your

> T4/T3 you can just take a bit more of them. I personally don't pay any

> attention at all to whether I'm eating a goitrogen or not; but I'm sure

> at least some of the experts will dispute the wisdom of my position.

> YMMV...

>

> Luck,

>

> .

> .

>

> > Posted by: " H " macbarb0503@... <macbarb0503%40aol.com>

> > <mailto:macbarb0503@... <macbarb0503%40aol.com>

> ?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hashi%20and%20Alternative%20Treatments>

> > westieabbey <westieabbey>

> >

> >

> > Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:37 am (PST)

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I just came from my internist. As usual I took a list of questions.

> > One question I asked was if I should stop eating soy, gluten, and

> > goitrogens. He said I should eat anything I want. The endo at the Mayo

> > Clinic told me the same thing, but in moderation.

> >

> > If changing what we eat won't stop the progression of the disease,

> > which it won't, and doesn't make a noticable difference in how we

> > feel, why do it? I started reading labels as Roni suggested. There are

> > so many foods containing soy and gluten, that it seems like there

> > isn't much left to eat. Yesterday I had spaghetti with italian

> > sausage. After eating it, I realized that under that type of eating

> > plan, I shouldn't have had either.

> >

> > Barb

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that information Emma. I appreciate it, and decided to cut out

soy as much as possible.

Barb

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:24 PM, <lesking71@...> wrote:

> Hi I have learnt to avoid soy the hard way as got very ill while trying a

> well know milkshake meal replacement diet that is made with soy milk! I

> didn't realise until I checked the ingrediants!. Emma

> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

>

> Re: Re: Hashi and Alternative Treatments

>

> Thanks . That all makes sense. I do try to avoid soy, but as you

> said, it's hard. Now I will choose a baked potato instead of mashed if

> eating out, and when cooking or buying groceries, I will look for

> ingredients that don't contain soy. Even salads are tricky when eating

> out,

> because of the dressings. I would be happy with olive oil and vinegar, but

> most restaurants around here don't have olive oil. They use a cheaper oil.

> There are many things served in restaurants they contain soy, so it's

> probably better to eat at home more.

> I have eliminated the raw fruits and vegetables that are considered

> goitrogens, like strawberries, peaches, cabbage, cauliflower, onion,

> radishes, spinach, etc. I always thought they were good for us. The other

> thing that I've cut out that I used to have on salads a lot is raw slivered

> almonds. Who knew that wasn't a healthy choice? I guess it is for anyone

> who doesn't have thyroid disease. You probably don't have to be concerned

> about goitrogens if you don't have a goiter?

> Barb

>

> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 10:39 AM, <res075oh@...> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Here's my take: Soy is a thoroughly unhealthy product that contains

> > numerous toxins. It has been cooked and processed and manipulated until

> > many/most of the toxins are reduced or eliminated [probably adding heavy

> > metals in the process]. Then with a multi-million dollar [or maybe

> > hundreds of millions] propaganda advertising campaign over years it has

> > been promoted as a HEALTH FOOD! One of the most successful propaganda

> > examples in history. IIRC it attacks both the thyroid gland and the

> > serum thyroxine, so it's bad news. Not all of the bad things are

> > completely removed from it. It's in so many foods now that it's almost

> > impossible to totally avoid but I'd suggest doing the best you can.

> > It's not always listed on the list of ingredients as soy.

> >

> > As for the goitrogens like cabbage and so on I'm not so sure. I think

> > they have good attributes that to me at least somewhat counteract what I

> > think of as their negative attributes. I seems to me that if you're on

> > a full replacement dose then if they reduce the effectiveness of your

> > T4/T3 you can just take a bit more of them. I personally don't pay any

> > attention at all to whether I'm eating a goitrogen or not; but I'm sure

> > at least some of the experts will dispute the wisdom of my position.

> > YMMV...

> >

> > Luck,

> >

> > .

> > .

> >

> > > Posted by: " H " macbarb0503@... <macbarb0503%40aol.com>

> > > <mailto:macbarb0503@... <macbarb0503%40aol.com>

> > ?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hashi%20and%20Alternative%20Treatments>

> > > westieabbey <westieabbey>

> > >

> > >

> > > Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:37 am (PST)

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I just came from my internist. As usual I took a list of questions.

> > > One question I asked was if I should stop eating soy, gluten, and

> > > goitrogens. He said I should eat anything I want. The endo at the Mayo

> > > Clinic told me the same thing, but in moderation.

> > >

> > > If changing what we eat won't stop the progression of the disease,

> > > which it won't, and doesn't make a noticable difference in how we

> > > feel, why do it? I started reading labels as Roni suggested. There are

> > > so many foods containing soy and gluten, that it seems like there

> > > isn't much left to eat. Yesterday I had spaghetti with italian

> > > sausage. After eating it, I realized that under that type of eating

> > > plan, I shouldn't have had either.

> > >

> > > Barb

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh Oh. I saw the message was from Emma's BlackBerry, so I thought it was

Emma. Then I thought it said to me from . Sorry, I'm still getting

used to the new e-mail.

Barb

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Barbara Mackie <macbarb0503@...>wrote:

> Thanks for that information Emma. I appreciate it, and decided to cut out

> soy as much as possible.

>

> Barb

>

> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:24 PM, <lesking71@...> wrote:

>

>> Hi I have learnt to avoid soy the hard way as got very ill while trying a

>> well know milkshake meal replacement diet that is made with soy milk! I

>> didn't realise until I checked the ingrediants!. Emma

>> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

>>

>> Re: Re: Hashi and Alternative Treatments

>>

>> Thanks . That all makes sense. I do try to avoid soy, but as you

>> said, it's hard. Now I will choose a baked potato instead of mashed if

>> eating out, and when cooking or buying groceries, I will look for

>> ingredients that don't contain soy. Even salads are tricky when eating

>> out,

>> because of the dressings. I would be happy with olive oil and vinegar,

>> but

>> most restaurants around here don't have olive oil. They use a cheaper

>> oil.

>> There are many things served in restaurants they contain soy, so it's

>> probably better to eat at home more.

>> I have eliminated the raw fruits and vegetables that are considered

>> goitrogens, like strawberries, peaches, cabbage, cauliflower, onion,

>> radishes, spinach, etc. I always thought they were good for us. The

>> other

>> thing that I've cut out that I used to have on salads a lot is raw

>> slivered

>> almonds. Who knew that wasn't a healthy choice? I guess it is for anyone

>> who doesn't have thyroid disease. You probably don't have to be concerned

>> about goitrogens if you don't have a goiter?

>> Barb

>>

>> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 10:39 AM, <res075oh@...> wrote:

>>

>> >

>> >

>> > Here's my take: Soy is a thoroughly unhealthy product that contains

>> > numerous toxins. It has been cooked and processed and manipulated until

>> > many/most of the toxins are reduced or eliminated [probably adding heavy

>> > metals in the process]. Then with a multi-million dollar [or maybe

>> > hundreds of millions] propaganda advertising campaign over years it has

>> > been promoted as a HEALTH FOOD! One of the most successful propaganda

>> > examples in history. IIRC it attacks both the thyroid gland and the

>> > serum thyroxine, so it's bad news. Not all of the bad things are

>> > completely removed from it. It's in so many foods now that it's almost

>> > impossible to totally avoid but I'd suggest doing the best you can.

>> > It's not always listed on the list of ingredients as soy.

>> >

>> > As for the goitrogens like cabbage and so on I'm not so sure. I think

>> > they have good attributes that to me at least somewhat counteract what I

>> > think of as their negative attributes. I seems to me that if you're on

>> > a full replacement dose then if they reduce the effectiveness of your

>> > T4/T3 you can just take a bit more of them. I personally don't pay any

>> > attention at all to whether I'm eating a goitrogen or not; but I'm sure

>> > at least some of the experts will dispute the wisdom of my position.

>> > YMMV...

>> >

>> > Luck,

>> >

>> > .

>> > .

>> >

>> > > Posted by: " H " macbarb0503@... <macbarb0503%40aol.com>

>> > > <mailto:macbarb0503@... <macbarb0503%40aol.com>

>> > ?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hashi%20and%20Alternative%20Treatments>

>> > > westieabbey <westieabbey>

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:37 am (PST)

>> >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > I just came from my internist. As usual I took a list of questions.

>> > > One question I asked was if I should stop eating soy, gluten, and

>> > > goitrogens. He said I should eat anything I want. The endo at the Mayo

>> > > Clinic told me the same thing, but in moderation.

>> > >

>> > > If changing what we eat won't stop the progression of the disease,

>> > > which it won't, and doesn't make a noticable difference in how we

>> > > feel, why do it? I started reading labels as Roni suggested. There are

>> > > so many foods containing soy and gluten, that it seems like there

>> > > isn't much left to eat. Yesterday I had spaghetti with italian

>> > > sausage. After eating it, I realized that under that type of eating

>> > > plan, I shouldn't have had either.

>> > >

>> > > Barb

>> >

>> >

>> >

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

,

When I was eating goitrogens, before I knew I shouldn't, I didn't feel bad.

I thought maybe I should stay away from them in case they make the goiter

grow .Do you know if they might? When I was first diagnosed in August*, *I

was having a smoothie every morning with a banana, strawberries, peaches,

organic peanut butter, and a little non-fat milk with some ice. After I

read about goitrogens, I thought maybe the goiter appeared and grew because

I was eating goitrogens every day, thinking I was eating something healthy

and good for me.

Barb

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 12:47 PM, <res075oh@...> wrote:

>

>

> The proscriptions of goitrogens are not IMHO limited to those with goiters.

>

> My personal, totally unprofessional opinion is that in the majority of

> cases [if not all] the benefits of the fresh fruits and vegetables you

> listed are far greater than the negatives.

>

> I'm a little more hesitant to say that for you personally given the

> number of things going on with you that I don't understand, but I

> suspect it's still true.

>

> Regards,

>

> .

> .

>

> >

> > Posted by: " Barbara Mackie " macbarb0503@...<macbarb0503%40gmail.com>

> > <mailto:macbarb0503@... <macbarb0503%40gmail.com>

> ?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hashi%20and%20Alternative%20Treatments>

> >

> >

> >

> > Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:19 am (PST)

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks . That all makes sense. I do try to avoid soy, but as you

> > said, it's hard. Now I will choose a baked potato instead of mashed if

> > eating out, and when cooking or buying groceries, I will look for

> > ingredients that don't contain soy. Even salads are tricky when eating

> > out,

> > because of the dressings. I would be happy with olive oil and vinegar,

> but

> > most restaurants around here don't have olive oil. They use a cheaper

> oil.

> > There are many things served in restaurants they contain soy, so it's

> > probably better to eat at home more.

> > I have eliminated the raw fruits and vegetables that are considered

> > goitrogens, like strawberries, peaches, cabbage, cauliflower, onion,

> > radishes, spinach, etc. I always thought they were good for us. The other

> > thing that I've cut out that I used to have on salads a lot is raw

> > slivered

> > almonds. Who knew that wasn't a healthy choice? I guess it is for anyone

> > who doesn't have thyroid disease. You probably don't have to be concerned

> > about goitrogens if you don't have a goiter?

> > Barb

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Cooking renders the goitrogens pretty harmless. Both veggies and fruits can be

cooked. I make fruit salad, add some water and some maple syrup and gently cook

it. It's delicious hot or cold, or you can put it in your blender when it's cold

and add your milk.

 

The cooked veggies are self explanatory and any way you cook them is all right,

just don't

really overcook them.

 

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

>

>

> Here's my take: Soy is a thoroughly unhealthy product that contains

> numerous toxins. It has been cooked and processed and manipulated until

> many/most of the toxins are reduced or eliminated [probably adding heavy

> metals in the process]. Then with a multi-million dollar [or maybe

> hundreds of millions] propaganda advertising campaign over years it has

> been promoted as a HEALTH FOOD! One of the most successful propaganda

> examples in history. IIRC it attacks both the thyroid gland and the

> serum thyroxine, so it's bad news. Not all of the bad things are

> completely removed from it. It's in so many foods now that it's almost

> impossible to totally avoid but I'd suggest doing the best you can.

> It's not always listed on the list of ingredients as soy.

>

> As for the goitrogens like cabbage and so on I'm not so sure. I think

> they have good attributes that to me at least somewhat counteract what I

> think of as their negative attributes. I seems to me that if you're on

> a full replacement dose then if they reduce the effectiveness of your

> T4/T3 you can just take a bit more of them. I personally don't pay any

> attention at all to whether I'm eating a goitrogen or not; but I'm sure

> at least some of the experts will dispute the wisdom of my position.

> YMMV...

>

> Luck,

>

> .

> .

>

> > Posted by: " H " macbarb0503@... <macbarb0503%40aol.com>

> > <mailto:macbarb0503@... <macbarb0503%40aol.com>

> ?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hashi%20and%20Alternative%20Treatments>

> > westieabbey <westieabbey>

> >

> >

> > Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:37 am (PST)

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I just came from my internist. As usual I took a list of questions.

> > One question I asked was if I should stop eating soy, gluten, and

> > goitrogens. He said I should eat anything I want. The endo at the Mayo

> > Clinic told me the same thing, but in moderation.

> >

> > If changing what we eat won't stop the progression of the disease,

> > which it won't, and doesn't make a noticable difference in how we

> > feel, why do it? I started reading labels as Roni suggested. There are

> > so many foods containing soy and gluten, that it seems like there

> > isn't much left to eat. Yesterday I had spaghetti with italian

> > sausage. After eating it, I realized that under that type of eating

> > plan, I shouldn't have had either.

> >

> > Barb

>

> 

>

[Guest guest]

The only kind of soy that is all right is fermented soy, and you must read the

label and make sure that it says that.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

>

>

> Here's my take: Soy is a thoroughly unhealthy product that contains

> numerous toxins. It has been cooked and processed and manipulated until

> many/most of the toxins are reduced or eliminated [probably adding heavy

> metals in the process]. Then with a multi-million dollar [or maybe

> hundreds of millions] propaganda advertising campaign over years it has

> been promoted as a HEALTH FOOD! One of the most successful propaganda

> examples in history. IIRC it attacks both the thyroid gland and the

> serum thyroxine, so it's bad news. Not all of the bad things are

> completely removed from it. It's in so many foods now that it's almost

> impossible to totally avoid but I'd suggest doing the best you can.

> It's not always listed on the list of ingredients as soy.

>

> As for the goitrogens like cabbage and so on I'm not so sure. I think

> they have good attributes that to me at least somewhat counteract what I

> think of as their negative attributes. I seems to me that if you're on

> a full replacement dose then if they reduce the effectiveness of your

> T4/T3 you can just take a bit more of them. I personally don't pay any

> attention at all to whether I'm eating a goitrogen or not; but I'm sure

> at least some of the experts will dispute the wisdom of my position.

> YMMV...

>

> Luck,

>

> .

> .

>

> > Posted by: " H " macbarb0503@... <macbarb0503%40aol.com>

> > <mailto:macbarb0503@... <macbarb0503%40aol.com>

> ?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hashi%20and%20Alternative%20Treatments>

> > westieabbey <westieabbey>

> >

> >

> > Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:37 am (PST)

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I just came from my internist. As usual I took a list of questions.

> > One question I asked was if I should stop eating soy, gluten, and

> > goitrogens. He said I should eat anything I want. The endo at the Mayo

> > Clinic told me the same thing, but in moderation.

> >

> > If changing what we eat won't stop the progression of the disease,

> > which it won't, and doesn't make a noticable difference in how we

> > feel, why do it? I started reading labels as Roni suggested. There are

> > so many foods containing soy and gluten, that it seems like there

> > isn't much left to eat. Yesterday I had spaghetti with italian

> > sausage. After eating it, I realized that under that type of eating

> > plan, I shouldn't have had either.

> >

> > Barb

>

> 

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the great suggestions Roni.

Barb

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> wrote:

>

>

> Cooking renders the goitrogens pretty harmless. Both veggies and fruits can

> be cooked. I make fruit salad, add some water and some maple syrup and

> gently cook it. It's delicious hot or cold, or you can put it in your

> blender when it's cold and add your milk.

>

> The cooked veggies are self explanatory and any way you cook them is all

> right, just don't

> really overcook them.

>

>

> <>Roni

> Immortality exists!

> It's called knowledge!

>

> Just because something isn't seen

> doesn't mean it's not there<>

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > Here's my take: Soy is a thoroughly unhealthy product that contains

> > numerous toxins. It has been cooked and processed and manipulated until

> > many/most of the toxins are reduced or eliminated [probably adding heavy

> > metals in the process]. Then with a multi-million dollar [or maybe

> > hundreds of millions] propaganda advertising campaign over years it has

> > been promoted as a HEALTH FOOD! One of the most successful propaganda

> > examples in history. IIRC it attacks both the thyroid gland and the

> > serum thyroxine, so it's bad news. Not all of the bad things are

> > completely removed from it. It's in so many foods now that it's almost

> > impossible to totally avoid but I'd suggest doing the best you can.

> > It's not always listed on the list of ingredients as soy.

> >

> > As for the goitrogens like cabbage and so on I'm not so sure. I think

> > they have good attributes that to me at least somewhat counteract what I

> > think of as their negative attributes. I seems to me that if you're on

> > a full replacement dose then if they reduce the effectiveness of your

> > T4/T3 you can just take a bit more of them. I personally don't pay any

> > attention at all to whether I'm eating a goitrogen or not; but I'm sure

> > at least some of the experts will dispute the wisdom of my position.

> > YMMV...

> >

> > Luck,

> >

> > .

> > .

> >

> > > Posted by: " H " macbarb0503@... <macbarb0503%40aol.com><macbarb0503%

> 40aol.com>

> > > <mailto:macbarb0503@... <macbarb0503%40aol.com> <macbarb0503%

> 40aol.com>

> > ?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hashi%20and%20Alternative%20Treatments>

> > > westieabbey <westieabbey>

> > >

> > >

> > > Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:37 am (PST)

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I just came from my internist. As usual I took a list of questions.

> > > One question I asked was if I should stop eating soy, gluten, and

> > > goitrogens. He said I should eat anything I want. The endo at the Mayo

> > > Clinic told me the same thing, but in moderation.

> > >

> > > If changing what we eat won't stop the progression of the disease,

> > > which it won't, and doesn't make a noticable difference in how we

> > > feel, why do it? I started reading labels as Roni suggested. There are

> > > so many foods containing soy and gluten, that it seems like there

> > > isn't much left to eat. Yesterday I had spaghetti with italian

> > > sausage. After eating it, I realized that under that type of eating

> > > plan, I shouldn't have had either.

> > >

> > > Barb

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

PS: I don't understand this. My address was corrected in to

gmail. I send messages from gmail, but the replies show up in my AOL mailbox.

Barb

Re: Re: Hashi and Alternative Treatments

Thanks for the great suggestions Roni.

Barb

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> wrote:

>

Cooking renders the goitrogens pretty harmless. Both veggies and fruits can

be cooked. I make fruit salad, add some water and some maple syrup and

gently cook it. It's delicious hot or cold, or you can put it in your

blender when it's cold and add your milk.

The cooked veggies are self explanatory and any way you cook them is all

right, just don't

really overcook them.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

>

>

> Here's my take: Soy is a thoroughly unhealthy product that contains

> numerous toxins. It has been cooked and processed and manipulated until

> many/most of the toxins are reduced or eliminated [probably adding heavy

> metals in the process]. Then with a multi-million dollar [or maybe

> hundreds of millions] propaganda advertising campaign over years it has

> been promoted as a HEALTH FOOD! One of the most successful propaganda

> examples in history. IIRC it attacks both the thyroid gland and the

> serum thyroxine, so it's bad news. Not all of the bad things are

> completely removed from it. It's in so many foods now that it's almost

> impossible to totally avoid but I'd suggest doing the best you can.

> It's not always listed on the list of ingredients as soy.

>

> As for the goitrogens like cabbage and so on I'm not so sure. I think

> they have good attributes that to me at least somewhat counteract what I

> think of as their negative attributes. I seems to me that if you're on

> a full replacement dose then if they reduce the effectiveness of your

> T4/T3 you can just take a bit more of them. I personally don't pay any

> attention at all to whether I'm eating a goitrogen or not; but I'm sure

> at least some of the experts will dispute the wisdom of my position.

> YMMV...

>

> Luck,

>

> .

> .

>

> > Posted by: " H " macbarb0503@... <macbarb0503%40aol.com><macbarb0503%

40aol.com>

> > <mailto:macbarb0503@... <macbarb0503%40aol.com> <macbarb0503%

40aol.com>

> ?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hashi%20and%20Alternative%20Treatments>

> > westieabbey <westieabbey>

> >

> >

> > Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:37 am (PST)

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I just came from my internist. As usual I took a list of questions.

> > One question I asked was if I should stop eating soy, gluten, and

> > goitrogens. He said I should eat anything I want. The endo at the Mayo

> > Clinic told me the same thing, but in moderation.

> >

> > If changing what we eat won't stop the progression of the disease,

> > which it won't, and doesn't make a noticable difference in how we

> > feel, why do it? I started reading labels as Roni suggested. There are

> > so many foods containing soy and gluten, that it seems like there

> > isn't much left to eat. Yesterday I had spaghetti with italian

> > sausage. After eating it, I realized that under that type of eating

> > plan, I shouldn't have had either.

> >

> > Barb

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know. I'm getting weird problems with email too.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

>

>

> Here's my take: Soy is a thoroughly unhealthy product that contains

> numerous toxins. It has been cooked and processed and manipulated until

> many/most of the toxins are reduced or eliminated [probably adding heavy

> metals in the process]. Then with a multi-million dollar [or maybe

> hundreds of millions] propaganda advertising campaign over years it has

> been promoted as a HEALTH FOOD! One of the most successful propaganda

> examples in history. IIRC it attacks both the thyroid gland and the

> serum thyroxine, so it's bad news. Not all of the bad things are

> completely removed from it. It's in so many foods now that it's almost

> impossible to totally avoid but I'd suggest doing the best you can.

> It's not always listed on the list of ingredients as soy.

>

> As for the goitrogens like cabbage and so on I'm not so sure. I think

> they have good attributes that to me at least somewhat counteract what I

> think of as their negative attributes. I seems to me that if you're on

> a full replacement dose then if they reduce the effectiveness of your

> T4/T3 you can just take a bit more of them. I personally don't pay any

> attention at all to whether I'm eating a goitrogen or not; but I'm sure

> at least some of the experts will dispute the wisdom of my position.

> YMMV...

>

> Luck,

>

> .

> .

>

> > Posted by: " H " macbarb0503@... <macbarb0503%40aol.com><macbarb0503%

40aol.com>

> > <mailto:macbarb0503@... <macbarb0503%40aol.com> <macbarb0503%

40aol.com>

> ?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hashi%20and%20Alternative%20Treatments>

> > westieabbey <westieabbey>

> >

> >

> > Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:37 am (PST)

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I just came from my internist. As usual I took a list of questions.

> > One question I asked was if I should stop eating soy, gluten, and

> > goitrogens. He said I should eat anything I want. The endo at the Mayo

> > Clinic told me the same thing, but in moderation.

> >

> > If changing what we eat won't stop the progression of the disease,

> > which it won't, and doesn't make a noticable difference in how we

> > feel, why do it? I started reading labels as Roni suggested. There are

> > so many foods containing soy and gluten, that it seems like there

> > isn't much left to eat. Yesterday I had spaghetti with italian

> > sausage. After eating it, I realized that under that type of eating

> > plan, I shouldn't have had either.

> >

> > Barb

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 2:04 AM, Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> wrote:

>

>

> I don't know. I'm getting weird problems with email too.

>

> Hi Roni,

I'm sorry to hear that. Gmail is great, so I'm not complaining. I sent the

site another e-mail saying my primary e-mail has been changed for

Groups, but my messages and the replies keep going to the old e-mail box at

AOL. You probably noticed I'm sending messages to the group from the

gmail address, so at least there is some progress.

How are you doing today? It's raining and grey here in FL, but we need the

rain so I'm glad.

Barb

[Guest guest]

Even if we use gmail, it still goes through if we're on a group, and there

are lots of problems periodically with .

 

It's raining here today too.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

>

>

> I don't know. I'm getting weird problems with email too.

>

> Hi Roni,

I'm sorry to hear that.  Gmail is great, so I'm not complaining.  I sent the

site another e-mail saying my primary e-mail has been changed for

Groups, but my messages and the replies keep going to the old e-mail box at

AOL.  You probably noticed  I'm sending messages to the group from the

gmail address, so at least there is some progress.

How are you doing today?  It's raining and grey here in FL, but we need the

rain so I'm glad.

Barb