Re: Hashi and Alternative Treatments

[Guest guest]

Look into Paleo Nutrition. There are many discussions/blogs about this type of

eating and it could help with auto immune diseases, as it means no wheat,

barley, rye, oats (ie gluten)or fructose in the diet. Check out Univ. of Cal.

San Diego; they have a Celiac Disease site that has info on gluten problems and

autoimmunity.

Marla

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> Where can I get some alternative ideas on dealing with Hashi.

>

> Allopathic medecine does not seem to want to look for a root casuse. Their

approach is to ignore it and when you thryoid is no longer working put you on a

hormone for life.

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> If you can attach the root cause you may have a shot at a better life.

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> I am familar with Dr. K and Brownstien. All controversial but that should be

expected. At least they are trying to solve the problem and they have some

success.

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> Are there any other approaches out there I could learn about.?

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[Guest guest]

If you do a Google search for alternative Hashimoto's treatment you will

find about a zillion sites willing to take your money for some kind of

worthless treatment. They range from simply ill informed to outright

con artists and quacks.

Bottom line, there are no alternative treatments that work better than

chance or placebo.

Dr. K was recently discussed on this group; the appears to either be

massively ignorant of the most simple things about bioidentical T4 and

T4, or to be a quack/con artist.

Brownstein, Abraham and Flechas [sp?] are the iodine docs; they are a

laughing stock among knowledgeable practitioners. Their typical

recommendation is 50,000 or 100,000 mcg of iodine per day; the RDA of

iodine is only about 150 mcg. If that's the kind of treatment you want

then good luck.

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> Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:15 pm (PST)

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> Where can I get some alternative ideas on dealing with Hashi.

>

> Allopathic medecine does not seem to want to look for a root casuse.

> Their approach is to ignore it and when you thryoid is no longer

> working put you on a hormone for life.

>

> If you can attach the root cause you may have a shot at a better life.

>

> I am familar with Dr. K and Brownstien. All controversial but that

> should be expected. At least they are trying to solve the problem and

> they have some success.

>

> Are there any other approaches out there I could learn about.?

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately most doctors have little knowledge about thyroid disease. I don't

go with the theory that everyone with hypoT needs to get off gluten, but if you

get cramps and other symptoms from eating it, you might want to try to do

without it and see if you feel better. Soy on the other hand is a different

story. It's definitely harmful to the thyroid unless it's fermented.

 

Stopping soy won't stop the progression, but eating it will make the progression

faster.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

From: H <macbarb0503@...>

Subject: Hashi and Alternative Treatments

hypothyroidism

Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 11:37 AM

I just came from my internist.  As usual I took a list of questions.  One

question I asked was if I should stop eating soy, gluten, and goitrogens.  He

said I should eat anything I want.  The endo at the Mayo Clinic told me the same

thing, but in moderation.

If changing what we eat won't stop the progression of the disease, which it

won't, and doesn't make a noticable difference in how we feel, why do it?  I

started reading labels as Roni suggested.  There are so many foods containing

soy and gluten, that it seems like there isn't much left to eat.  Yesterday I

had spaghetti with italian sausage.  After eating it, I realized that under that

type of eating plan, I shouldn't have had either.

Barb

[Guest guest]

If you read the research on grains, especially ones that contain gluten, it may

blow your mind. They are not really suitable foods for any animals other than

birds. Their basic biological set-up is anti-nutrient so that they can pass

through digestive systems undisturbed. They have antibiological properties

which cause malabsorption of food nutrients and contain " poisons " that will also

attack tissues ( such as joints).

Not everyone is going to have major Celiac symptoms, but everyone's body is

being changed.

And since there is an established link to autoimmune diseases and the

consumption of grains/gluten, it just seems like a prudent step to reduce or

eliminate the intake of these " foods " .

If you try this diet change you will feel the difference.

Marla

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> From: H <macbarb0503@...>

> Subject: Hashi and Alternative Treatments

> hypothyroidism

> Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 11:37 AM

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> I just came from my internist.  As usual I took a list of questions.  One

question I asked was if I should stop eating soy, gluten, and goitrogens.  He

said I should eat anything I want.  The endo at the Mayo Clinic told me the same

thing, but in moderation.

>

> If changing what we eat won't stop the progression of the disease, which it

won't, and doesn't make a noticable difference in how we feel, why do it?  I

started reading labels as Roni suggested.  There are so many foods containing

soy and gluten, that it seems like there isn't much left to eat.  Yesterday I

had spaghetti with italian sausage.  After eating it, I realized that under that

type of eating plan, I shouldn't have had either.

>

> Barb

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[Guest guest]

Here's my take: Soy is a thoroughly unhealthy product that contains

numerous toxins. It has been cooked and processed and manipulated until

many/most of the toxins are reduced or eliminated [probably adding heavy

metals in the process]. Then with a multi-million dollar [or maybe

hundreds of millions] propaganda advertising campaign over years it has

been promoted as a HEALTH FOOD! One of the most successful propaganda

examples in history. IIRC it attacks both the thyroid gland and the

serum thyroxine, so it's bad news. Not all of the bad things are

completely removed from it. It's in so many foods now that it's almost

impossible to totally avoid but I'd suggest doing the best you can.

It's not always listed on the list of ingredients as soy.

As for the goitrogens like cabbage and so on I'm not so sure. I think

they have good attributes that to me at least somewhat counteract what I

think of as their negative attributes. I seems to me that if you're on

a full replacement dose then if they reduce the effectiveness of your

T4/T3 you can just take a bit more of them. I personally don't pay any

attention at all to whether I'm eating a goitrogen or not; but I'm sure

at least some of the experts will dispute the wisdom of my position.

YMMV...

Luck,

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> westieabbey <westieabbey>

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> Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:37 am (PST)

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> I just came from my internist. As usual I took a list of questions.

> One question I asked was if I should stop eating soy, gluten, and

> goitrogens. He said I should eat anything I want. The endo at the Mayo

> Clinic told me the same thing, but in moderation.

>

> If changing what we eat won't stop the progression of the disease,

> which it won't, and doesn't make a noticable difference in how we

> feel, why do it? I started reading labels as Roni suggested. There are

> so many foods containing soy and gluten, that it seems like there

> isn't much left to eat. Yesterday I had spaghetti with italian

> sausage. After eating it, I realized that under that type of eating

> plan, I shouldn't have had either.

>

> Barb

[Guest guest]

Thanks Roni,

Being able to eat gluten makes it a lot easier.

Barb

Hashi and Alternative Treatments

hypothyroidism

Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 11:37 AM

I just came from my internist. As usual I took a list of questions. One

question I asked was if I should stop eating soy, gluten, and goitrogens. He

said I should eat anything I want. The endo at the Mayo Clinic told me the same

thing, but in moderation.

If changing what we eat won't stop the progression of the disease, which it

won't, and doesn't make a noticable difference in how we feel, why do it? I

started reading labels as Roni suggested. There are so many foods containing

soy and gluten, that it seems like there isn't much left to eat. Yesterday I

had spaghetti with italian sausage. After eating it, I realized that under that

type of eating plan, I shouldn't have had either.

Barb

[Guest guest]

The proscriptions of goitrogens are not IMHO limited to those with goiters.

My personal, totally unprofessional opinion is that in the majority of

cases [if not all] the benefits of the fresh fruits and vegetables you

listed are far greater than the negatives.

I'm a little more hesitant to say that for you personally given the

number of things going on with you that I don't understand, but I

suspect it's still true.

Regards,

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> Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:19 am (PST)

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> Thanks . That all makes sense. I do try to avoid soy, but as you

> said, it's hard. Now I will choose a baked potato instead of mashed if

> eating out, and when cooking or buying groceries, I will look for

> ingredients that don't contain soy. Even salads are tricky when eating

> out,

> because of the dressings. I would be happy with olive oil and vinegar, but

> most restaurants around here don't have olive oil. They use a cheaper oil.

> There are many things served in restaurants they contain soy, so it's

> probably better to eat at home more.

> I have eliminated the raw fruits and vegetables that are considered

> goitrogens, like strawberries, peaches, cabbage, cauliflower, onion,

> radishes, spinach, etc. I always thought they were good for us. The other

> thing that I've cut out that I used to have on salads a lot is raw

> slivered

> almonds. Who knew that wasn't a healthy choice? I guess it is for anyone

> who doesn't have thyroid disease. You probably don't have to be concerned

> about goitrogens if you don't have a goiter?

> Barb

[Guest guest]

I think the vast majority of the negatives from soy are not from an

immediate illness but from long term absorption of materials of

questionable or negative value.

Regards,

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> Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:26 am (PST)

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> Hi I have learnt to avoid soy the hard way as got very ill while

> trying a well know milkshake meal replacement diet that is made with

> soy milk! I didn't realise until I checked the ingrediants!

> . Emma

[Guest guest]

Just try to keep it to a minimum. Whole grains are better than processed, but

limit what you eat.

 

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

From: H <macbarb0503@...>

Subject: Hashi and Alternative Treatments

hypothyroidism

Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 11:37 AM

I just came from my internist.  As usual I took a list of questions.  One

question I asked was if I should stop eating soy, gluten, and goitrogens.  He

said I should eat anything I want.  The endo at the Mayo Clinic told me the same

thing, but in moderation.

If changing what we eat won't stop the progression of the disease, which it

won't, and doesn't make a noticable difference in how we feel, why do it?  I

started reading labels as Roni suggested.  There are so many foods containing

soy and gluten, that it seems like there isn't much left to eat.  Yesterday I

had spaghetti with italian sausage.  After eating it, I realized that under that

type of eating plan, I shouldn't have had either.

Barb

[Guest guest]

This is how I change my email in ; log in to , and I

get a page with my groups listed. Above the list is a clickable phrase " Manage

Groups " , which when clicked takes me to a listing of all my groups and the

corresponding details and emails for each. There is a clickable phrase " Edit

Groups " or something with the word Edit. Click that and you can change your

email addresses for each group. Make sure you save your changes.

Marla

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> > I don't know. I'm getting weird problems with email too.

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> > Hi Roni,

>

> I'm sorry to hear that. Gmail is great, so I'm not complaining. I sent the

> site another e-mail saying my primary e-mail has been changed for

> Groups, but my messages and the replies keep going to the old e-mail box at

> AOL. You probably noticed I'm sending messages to the group from the

> gmail address, so at least there is some progress.

>

> How are you doing today? It's raining and grey here in FL, but we need the

> rain so I'm glad.

>

> Barb

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>

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[Guest guest]

IIRC Chuck posted about the limited negatives from eating goitrogens and

I agree with that. I doubt they had anything to do with a goiter. I

think a lot of goiters appear in those not getting enough iodine in the

diet; and the body grows the goiter in an attempt to harvest more iodine

[but maybe I'm all wet].

I personally had cabbage less than an hour ago and I haven't the

slightest hesitation to eating it the next time I take a notion. YMMV.

Luck,

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> Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:58 pm (PST)

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> When I was eating goitrogens, before I knew I shouldn't, I didn't feel

> bad.

> I thought maybe I should stay away from them in case they make the goiter

> grow .Do you know if they might? When I was first diagnosed in August*, *I

> was having a smoothie every morning with a banana, strawberries, peaches,

> organic peanut butter, and a little non-fat milk with some ice. After I

> read about goitrogens, I thought maybe the goiter appeared and grew

> because

> I was eating goitrogens every day, thinking I was eating something healthy

> and good for me.

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> Barb

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> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 12:47 PM, <res075oh@...

> <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> wrote:

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> > The proscriptions of goitrogens are not IMHO limited to those with

> goiters.

> >

> > My personal, totally unprofessional opinion is that in the majority of

> > cases [if not all] the benefits of the fresh fruits and vegetables you

> > listed are far greater than the negatives.

> >

> > I'm a little more hesitant to say that for you personally given the

> > number of things going on with you that I don't understand, but I

> > suspect it's still true.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > .

[Guest guest]

That reply just shows how misinformed MD's are with respect to thyroids.

I have successfully lowred my TG and TPO antibodies by greatly reducing or

eliminating goitrogens including soy. I also take NAC with is a precursor to

Glutathione. It is well known as a powerfull anti oxidant. I am not saying

this will work for everyone but it is worth a shot and anti oxidants are good in

gerneral for overall health.

If you lower the antibodies you are lowering the autoimmune attack. That is a

good thing.

Why don't doctors want to get this?

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> From: H <macbarb0503@...>

> Subject: Hashi and Alternative Treatments

> hypothyroidism

> Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 11:37 AM

>

>

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> I just came from my internist.  As usual I took a list of questions.  One

question I asked was if I should stop eating soy, gluten, and goitrogens.  He

said I should eat anything I want.  The endo at the Mayo Clinic told me the same

thing, but in moderation.

>

> If changing what we eat won't stop the progression of the disease, which it

won't, and doesn't make a noticable difference in how we feel, why do it?  I

started reading labels as Roni suggested.  There are so many foods containing

soy and gluten, that it seems like there isn't much left to eat.  Yesterday I

had spaghetti with italian sausage.  After eating it, I realized that under that

type of eating plan, I shouldn't have had either.

>

> Barb

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