Guest guest Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 I can empathize with you on the heart problem. You might have atrial fibrillation, which I have too, and which I DID have to stop caffeine, large meals, fatty meals, not eating soon enough, etc. They are called triggers. Currently I'm on 50mgs of flecainide every hour up to 4 hours when the afib hits. I also have a 5mg valium at the beginning, but only one. When you feel the pvcs, take your pulse. If your pulse is nice and steady, it's not afib. If it's erratic, it probably is. I'm older than you. I stopped my HRT cold turkey after the nurses study in 2003, I think it was and have not replaced it. You've got me wondering if taking some would do me any good. Then I wonder about taking estrogen and what about breast cancer? If you do turn out to have afib, you can write me off list and I'll give you some more info. By the way, I am on T3 only because it was found that my body was making very little T3 and too much RT3. Since being on the T3, I definitely feel better. Good luck to you. <>Roni Immortality exists! It's called knowledge! Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: Duffy <knockneed@...> Subject: Newest labs and PVC's hypothyroidism , NaturalThyroidHormones Date: Tuesday, February 8, 2011, 9:28 AM in 2006 i was diag. w/ PVC's - take beta blocker. PVCS been completely (few exceptions) in control since then UNTIL June 2010 when my gyn lowered my estrogen from an .,075 estradiol patch to a ..050 progesterone patch.... and things began to go to hell. this was further exacerbated by trying to find a drug that worked for my thyroid becuase the " OLD " armour was in a state of flux and then simply not available. tried natruethroid, tried gouing back to synthroid, tried 3 compounds (base in olive oil, base in powder (talc?) base in acidophilous) . I got worse and worse and my Free T4 was consistently below normal and my Free T3 was just barely over normal . the progesterone phase of my HRT since that time has been unbearable w/heart banging around, high anxiety from it, tears, hysteria - almost nervous breakdown conditions with all these factors contributing - and I am convinced that even thou the armour fiasco was a major contributor - the lower dose of estrgoen got almost IMMEDIATE negative impact going in my body. About 4 months ago I switched to new armour and slowly began to feeling better in some ways - less fatigue - less severe " always cold " problems, happier etc. etc., little by little the PVC's have become much worse over the last year but this past month (newly prescribed Zocor) I was quite ill with them. Had ekg yesterday which confirms frequent PVC's - skipping and extra beats. Its a nightmare. Doc says to stop all caffeine and it will get better. I don't think so. My whole life I have been a coffee drinker - at least 3 cups a day sometimes more. I put it in a travel cup and drink - cold = throughout the day. I eat chocolate every day - so why suddenly the severe PVC's?????? I have an order for a doppler study ro rule out mitral valve prolapse (but doc doesn't think its that - just being safe). In april of last year was admitted to hospital as emergency for complete cardiac workup (turned out to be severe GI distress -hernia) and given lots of tests - on treadmill test achieved 86% percentile of my age group -62 with no PVC's etc. - ruled to have a sound healthy heart with no evidence of heart disease. Soooooooooooo my gut tells me that either my estrogen or thyroid meds are causing me trouble or the Zocor (which i found out last night can cause rapid or irregular heartbeats???!??!??!!!!!!!!) are helping me to me miserable. I am MOST miserable during the 12 days of progesterone on the HRT. Here are my blood results of 1-26-2011 on l l/2 grain of new armour . Meds were taken 5-l/2 hours before blood work. Any thoughts here most appreciated . Ferritin 62 range 20-288 Free T4 .9 .8 to l.8 TSH 3rd Generation .46 .40 to 4.50 Free T3 3.7 2.3 to 4.2 My metabolic panel was all completely normal - everything pretty much mid range w/only exception of Globulin, Calculated score of 2.7 with norms of 2.2 to 3.9 and Bilirubin ttl score of 0.5 with norms of .02 to l.2. Your help appreciated folks - P.S> I am post meno - 62 yrs, hypo Non Hashi's, last saliva adrenal was okay -, use HRT, take l l/2gr Armour a day, take l fluid pill 12 l/2 mg a day, 2.5 mg Norvasc daily and 50 mg Tenormin a day for BP and PVCS. HAD high BP , but in the last 3 months of so pressure been very low - sometimes as low as 89 over 60. Heart rate very slow - generally around 57 to 62. -- Duffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 Duffy, Unfortunately, reactions to statins (your Zocor) are all too common. That is the most suspicious character to me in your mystery. You may be having other drug interactions, but I doubt that your thyroid meds are involved. You have an underlying condition that some combination of your meds is triggering. A mitral prolapse should be audible to your doctor, but the extra caution is not wasted. Do you take the Zocor at night? That is the best time and could reduce the dose you need. Chuck You wrote: > in 2006 i was diag. w/ PVC's - take beta blocker. PVCS been completely (few > exceptions) in control since then UNTIL > June 2010 when my gyn lowered my estrogen from an .,075 estradiol patch to a > .050 progesterone patch.... and things began to go to hell. this was > further exacerbated by trying to find a drug that worked for my thyroid > becuase the " OLD " armour was in a state of flux and then simply not > available. tried natruethroid, tried gouing back to synthroid, tried 3 > compounds (base in olive oil, base in powder (talc?) base in acidophilous) . > I got worse and worse and my Free T4 was consistently below normal and my > Free T3 was just barely over normal . > > the progesterone phase of my HRT since that time has been unbearable w/heart > banging around, high anxiety from it, tears, hysteria - almost nervous > breakdown conditions with all these factors contributing - and I am > convinced that even thou the armour fiasco was a major contributor - the > lower dose of estrgoen got almost IMMEDIATE negative impact going in my > body. > > About 4 months ago I switched to new armour and slowly began to feeling > better in some ways - less fatigue - less severe " always cold " problems, > happier etc. etc., > > little by little the PVC's have become much worse over the last year but > this past month (newly prescribed Zocor) I was quite ill with them. Had ekg > yesterday which confirms frequent PVC's - skipping and extra beats. Its a > nightmare. Doc says to stop all caffeine and it will get better. I don't > think so. My whole life I have been a coffee drinker - at least 3 cups a > day sometimes more. I put it in a travel cup and drink - cold = throughout > the day. I eat chocolate every day - so why suddenly the severe > PVC's?????? I have an order for a doppler study ro rule out mitral > valve prolapse (but doc doesn't think its that - just being safe). In > april of last year was admitted to hospital as emergency for complete > cardiac workup (turned out to be severe GI distress -hernia) and given lots > of tests - on treadmill test achieved 86% percentile of my age group -62 > with no PVC's etc. - ruled to have a sound healthy heart with no evidence of > heart disease. > > Soooooooooooo my gut tells me that either my estrogen or thyroid meds are > causing me trouble or the Zocor (which i found out last night can cause > rapid or irregular heartbeats???!??!??!!!!!!!!) are helping me to me > miserable. I am MOST miserable during the 12 days of progesterone on the > HRT. > > Here are my blood results of 1-26-2011 on l l/2 grain of new armour . Meds > were taken 5-l/2 hours before blood work. > Any thoughts here most appreciated . > > Ferritin 62 range 20-288 > Free T4 .9 .8 to l.8 > TSH 3rd Generation > .46 .40 to 4.50 > Free T3 3.7 2.3 to 4.2 > > My metabolic panel was all completely normal - everything pretty much mid > range w/only exception of Globulin, Calculated score of 2.7 with norms of > 2.2 to 3.9 and Bilirubin ttl score of 0.5 with norms of .02 to l.2. > > Your help appreciated folks - P.S> I am post meno - 62 yrs, hypo Non > Hashi's, last saliva adrenal was okay -, use HRT, take l l/2gr Armour a > day, take l fluid pill 12 l/2 mg a day, 2.5 mg Norvasc daily and 50 mg > Tenormin a day for BP and PVCS. HAD high BP , but in the last 3 months of > so pressure been very low - sometimes as low as 89 over 60. Heart rate > very slow - generally around 57 to 62. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 Tks ur post. I'm glad it should be audible because doc said she didn't think prolapse, but would be remiss if she didn't check. I was taking Zocor at night. After yesterdays all day long pounding heart, I didn't take any last night. Frying pan and fire scenario is I'd rather die suddenly from a heart attack from clogged arteries than die every damn day with this going in my chest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So tday, i changed how I dose the beta blocker (and took half my dose this morning. I did NOT take zocor last night and though I am having some very mild (starting about 3) heart awareness - it is NOTHING like it has been. I was hoping it wasn't the thyroid meds because I was finally beginning to see improvement once getting off the compounds and onto armour - even though others say don't use it.. Duffy On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 2:54 PM, ChuckB <gumboyaya@...> wrote: > Duffy, > > Unfortunately, reactions to statins (your Zocor) are all too common. > That is the most suspicious character to me in your mystery. You may be > having other drug interactions, but I doubt that your thyroid meds are > involved. You have an underlying condition that some combination of your > meds is triggering. A mitral prolapse should be audible to your doctor, > but the extra caution is not wasted. > > Do you take the Zocor at night? That is the best time and could reduce > the dose you need. > > Chuck > > SNIP SNIP SNIP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 tks so much ur post roni. My dad had afib, long qt syndrome, cardiomyopathy, congestive heart failure, peripheral artery disease, COPD. pacemaker, coronary bypass - and on and on and on. I was primary caregiver and NEVER learned to take a pulse - its way too elusive for me. But my chest told me something was very wrong , as well as the base of and to the left of my throat where it seemed my heart was lodged! According to the doc PVC's are benign rythm issues - VERY COMMON and I've worn holter monitor in past, I have double beeats sometimes and also skipped beats - last time I wore the monitor it was 86 times in a 24 hour period. Yesterday I'll bet ya that was tripled and then some. Anyway I was in the docs office for while and they didn't say anything about erratic, just skipping beats . I'm not sure how I would tell what erratic was in a pulse. R U able to describe for me? Question - how come you dont take coumadin or heparin? My dad ended up with that for the last 5 yrs of his life. He started out with that too when he first developed afib, but he was a heavy drinker and they could never regulate, so i remember he took tons of meds. then when he became very debilitated in later years and no longer could drink like that, they went back to the blood thinners. Ahhhh - the WHI. Yes, my doc had me stop cold turkey too from the PREMPRO (the drug studied). In three months I was diagnosed hypo and with a most dreadful female geintal pain condition that almost pushed me to suicide. Unable to tolerate life like that I went back on bioidentical HRT 14 months later and that took a year of tweaking bouncing betwenn bioidentical and some stynthetics untilt he right product and dose for me was established. I began to heal, stopped my antidepressants, stopped various pills, creams and potions for the pain and despression issues, lost weight, grew back my nearly balding locks and could look nice again and on and on and on....... Is it a risk? Yes. But it wasn't life ..... so i took the risk and continue on with the HRT. I have sinced learned that it is really bad mojo to just stop cold turkey on hormones..... it throws the body into a tailspin. Women today are advised to wean. Tk u for the offer for a private email if its afib. my appot for doppler is 17th this month. will the echo cardiogram indicate afib? Duffy On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> wrote: > I can empathize with you on the heart problem. You might have atrial > fibrillation, which I have too, and which I DID have to stop caffeine, large > meals, fatty meals, not eating soon enough, etc. > > They are called triggers. Currently I'm on 50mgs of flecainide every hour > up to 4 hours when the afib hits. I also have a 5mg valium at the beginning, > but only one. When you feel the pvcs, take your pulse. If your pulse is nice > and steady, it's not afib. If it's erratic, it probably is. I'm older than > you. I stopped my HRT cold turkey after the nurses study in 2003, I think it > was and have not replaced it. You've got me wondering if taking some would > do me any good. Then I wonder about taking estrogen and what about breast > cancer? > > If you do turn out to have afib, you can write me off list and I'll give > you some more info. By the way, I am on T3 only because it was found that my > body was making very little T3 and too much > RT3. Since being on the T3, I definitely feel better. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 To sum it up, if you are not in afib at the time they do a test, they won't see it. It could be as simple as an ekg or just taking your pulse. If you put your pointer finger and middle finger on the edge of the opposite wrist, and gently move them around till you feel a beat you've got the spot. Then, in front of a clock with a second hand start counting at 12, and continue till 3. Don't look at the clock while you are counting the beats that you are feeling. If you can count it smoothly from 12 to 3 then multiply that number by 4 and you will have your heart rate. If the beat is irregular and has missing beats and double or triple beats and basically you really can't count it, it's possibly afib. You should really be seeing a cardiologist and not just a regular physician. I had even come into my doctor's office while in afib and he didn't do anything about it. You really need a cardio. Mine is not caused by exercise either, but a whole lot of other triggers including rxd meds as well as some otc ones too. Decongestants, antihistamines are some of them. I'm not on coumadin because I refused to go on it. My mother was on it and she would gush blood from her mouth randomly. Instead I am on nattokinase, fish oil, policosanol. vitamin D3, CoQ10, Hawthorn and a bunch of other vitamins and magnesium and potassium. Most of these I take becasause my cardio treats me this way since I can't tolerate most drugs, and won't even entertain taking certain others. <>Roni Immortality exists! It's called knowledge! Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> > I can empathize with you on the heart problem. You might have atrial > fibrillation, which I have too, and which I DID have to stop caffeine, large > meals, fatty meals, not eating soon enough, etc. > > They are called triggers. Currently I'm on 50mgs of flecainide every hour > up to 4 hours when the afib hits. I also have a 5mg valium at the beginning, > but only one. When you feel the pvcs, take your pulse. If your pulse is nice > and steady, it's not afib. If it's erratic, it probably is. I'm older than > you. I stopped my HRT cold turkey after the nurses study in 2003, I think it > was and have not replaced it. You've got me wondering if taking some would > do me any good. Then I wonder about taking estrogen and what about breast > cancer? > > If you do turn out to have afib, you can write me off list and I'll give > you some more info. By the way, I am on T3 only because it was found that my > body was making very little T3 and too much > RT3. Since being on the T3, I definitely feel better. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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