Re: Re: Nobel Prize Winner Luc Montagnier Supports Homeopathy. Me too.

[Guest guest]

I'm glad you're being helped. I am really amazed because I have never heard of

someone with true hypothyroidism being cured with homeopathy. I'll look into

this protocol more and see what I come up with. In the meantime thank you for

your info and my best thoughts for your continuing health.

<>Roni

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It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

From: maria p <khusha8@...>

Subject: Re: Nobel Prize Winner Luc Montagnier Supports

Homeopathy. Me too.

hypothyroidism

Date: Monday, February 7, 2011, 8:10 AM

Hi Roni,

I found this Homeopath through a friend's recommendation.  If you mean an

initial evaluation, that is just like everything else: check background, other

people results with this person, your own initial experience, your instinct;-) 

With Homeopathy most people including myself start to feel a difference right

away. But the real evaluation comes after a couple of months of treatment, at

that point you can see if its working or not.  (Homeopathy works with the cause

of the disease and it takes a while for the treatment to work its way out into

the symptoms.)

The first one I tried gave me a treatment that although it made me feel relax,

better sleep and digestion did not make any difference with the Hypothyroidism.

.

> >

> >

> > From: <res075oh@>

> > Subject: Re: Nobel Prize Winner Luc Montagnier Supports

Science of Homeopathy

> > hypothyroidism

> > Date: Saturday, February 5, 2011, 2:09 PM

> >

> >

> > Unfortunately the " electromagnetic signals " that can do what Montagnier

> > suggests do not exist.  Further, there is no other known physical method

> > that can be used to " imprint " or otherwise leave some information in the

> > water/alcohol [or powder] mix.  It's all a complete scam.  Either he

is

> > hopelessly ignorant of the basic principles of physics and science or he

> > is deliberately perpetrating a scam.

> >

> > If you think about it you can see that it could not possibly work.  The

> > bs " theory " is that after all of the " active ingredient " has been

> > removed it still leaves behind some kind of " information " that " tells "

> > the mix what was there before it was removed.  Even if you don't know

> > that that is total bs it probably will eventually occur to you that all

> > of the water on earth has probably been associated with thousands or

> > millions of different kinds of materials.  If the bs theory were correct

> > then the water/alcohol mix  would still contain the " electromagnetic

> > signals " [or imprint] of these thousands/millions of contaminants and

> > the " active ingredient " of the homeopathic hoax product would be utterly

> > swamped in the mix.

> >

> > Besides, it's rather like adding red dye to a water/alcohol mix and then

> > removing every molecule of the dye and insisting that the mix still

> > contains some element of " redness " .  The fact is that if you remove all

> > of the dye molecules there is no attribute of redness remaining.

> >

> > Not that it really matters.  Homeopathy is a hoax from the very

> > beginning and even the products that still contain one or many molecules

> > of the " active ingredient " have no curative powers whatsoever.  There

> > are no curative properties in the so-called " active ingredients " used in

> > homeopathy even at full strength.

> >

> > One further note:  There is no " science of homeopathy " .  You'll sooner

> > find a science of Santa Clause and the tooth fairy.  Just for fun try to

> > find the credible research vehicle in which the so-called " research " is

> > published.

> >

> >

> > .

> > .

> >

> > >

> > >       Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@

> > >   

   <mailto:fielddot@?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Nobel%20Prize%20Winner%20Luc%20\

Montagnier%20Supports%20Science%20of%20Homeopathy>

> > >       trishruk <trishruk>

> > >

> > >

> > >         Sat Feb 5, 2011 12:20 am (PST)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > http://www.naturalnews.com/031210_Luc_Montagnier_Homeopathy.html

> > > <http://www.naturalnews.com/031210_Luc_Montagnier_Homeopathy.html>

> > >

> > > " ...Here, Montagnier is making reference to his experimental research

> > > that confirms one of the controversial features of homeopathic

> > > medicine that uses doses of substances that undergo sequential

> > > dilution with vigorous shaking in-between each dilution. Although it

> > > is common for modern-day scientists to assume that none of the

> > > original molecules remain in solution, Montagnier's research (and

> > > other of many of his colleagues) has verified that electromagnetic

> > > signals of the original medicine remains in the water and has dramatic

> > > biological effects... "

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

,

You wrote:

> ...It is also true that a number of allopathic treatments that have passed

> all the standard scientific tests including double blind tests have

> failed don't cure anyone and further more have been found harmful. A

> great deal of " well " tested drugs get recalled every year.

Nonsense. Drugs that have passed tests (complete, not preliminary) for

effectiveness are generally only withdrawn later due to side effects

that were not detected in the earlier tests. Perhaps you are thinking of

drugs that are still under trial, that were once " promising " but later

proved to have less than statistical significance. That is very

different from passing double blind tests.

Can you name an exception?

It is completely scientific to base treatment decisions on statistically

valid inferences from the best data available. That doesn't guarantee

that such decisions will be ideal for everyone, but they ARE scientific.

That is exactly what your endo was doing, but called it " unscientific. "

Chuck

[Guest guest]

I have to mostly agree with you . The only thing as I've mentioned before

is that allergy/sinus homeopathic remedy from Walgreen's. I don't know why it

works, and really was feeling so bad when I bought it that I didn't even read it

carefully which is amazing since I read

just about everything. Other than that, I don't see how homeopathy could work,

but maybe we're both off base. Who knows?

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

From: <res075oh@...>

Subject: Re: Nobel Prize Winner Luc Montagnier Supports

Homeopathy. Me too.

hypothyroidism

Date: Tuesday, February 8, 2011, 7:22 AM

It is quite true IMHO that there are ineffective allopathic treatments,

and that some alternative practices will be more effective.  When you

leave the allopathic practitioners and venture into alternative

practices what do you use to guide you?  Surely you know there are

countless quack products out there that have no benefit above chance and

placebo whatsoever.  And you will find countless testimonials for many

if not all of them.

The claims of homeopathic supporters are patently ridiculous to anyone

who has even a rudimentary knowledge of science.  They are as far

fetched as it would be for me to tell you that I can give you a potion

that will fly you to mars during your sleep tonight where a " healer "

will correct your problems.  Hopefully you would have enough knowledge

to reject my offer to sell you my potion out of hand without having to

first try it.

I know that sounds silly, but I give it to make a point:  To determine

what is probably correct you have to be able to have some level of

knowledge of what is possible.  When it contradicts well established

laws of physics you should be able to eliminate it from the probable and

go on to the next possibility.

Luck,

..

..

>       Posted by: " maria p " khusha8@...

>   

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>       khusha8 <khusha8>

>

>

>         Mon Feb 7, 2011 9:51 am (PST)

>

>

>

> Chuck.

>

> Yes while it is true that many patients recover without any treatment,

> it is true that if a patient has undergone a treatment and recovers

> said treatment should not automatically be dismissed simply because it

> has not been subjected to the " standard " tests.

>

> It is also true that a number of allopathic treatments that have

> passed all the standard scientific tests including double blind tests

> have failed don't cure anyone and further more have been found

> harmful. A great deal of " well " tested drugs get recalled every year.

>

> Chuck I am aware of what can cause temporary Hypothyroidism and I was

> not pregnant, had a good diet and showed no deficiencies; in short all

> tests showed I was in perfect health. I underwent a great deal of

> tests and examination by more than one doctor. The only abnormality

> found was the level of thyroid hormones in my blood. This was for

> three and a half years, this is not usually considered temporary.

>

> I think that there are valid alternative forms of medicine and the

> present medical establishment leaves a lot to be desired. My mother

> died of cancer and I spent three years with her in one of the most

> respected hospitals in the US where I saw a lot more people die than

> not. Only a very small percentage of the patients I met there went

> into remission. And more than half of those have developed cancer

> since. The amount of money spent by these patients in this hospital

> was staggering, the barbarism of the treatments was horrifying..

> . the suffering immeasurable. I did see some good results to be fair,

> however my point is that this famous hospital and their treatments are

> over rated and grossly overpriced. The medical establishment is way

> over rated.

>

> I choose not to leave my health in the hands of the medical

> establishment alone. I am not totally against allopathic medicine I'm

> simply saying they are not the end all medicine, they are limited and

> there are alternatives. I'm very glad I found an alternative and so I

> want to share my experience.

>

> I'm a documentary maker and I'm working on a documentary on

> " naturism " . So far we've documented nine cases of cancer remission

> following a naturist treatment, four of those were diagnosed as

> " terminal " . None of these nine patients followed any other treatment

> other than naturist. These treatments are gentle, none invasive and

> very inexpensive. The time span of the study/documentation for this

> documentary will be 7 years. So far we are on the 4th year. We are not

> scientists and we interview a number of them for this documentary. Our

> job is to simply tell the story, show the evidence.

>

> Chuck I think there are more ways to help people and they are worth a

> look. Please consider the possibilities.

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[Guest guest]

I forgot to ask you one thing. Does your preparation have a name? Also, could

you tell me the ingredients, and dose that you take?

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

From: maria p <khusha8@...>

Subject: Re: Nobel Prize Winner Luc Montagnier Supports

Homeopathy. Me too.

hypothyroidism

Date: Tuesday, February 8, 2011, 8:40 AM

Roni, many thanks for your well wishes.

I'm pretty amazed myself, frankly I was not expecting this much improvement.  I

was resigned to living with Hypothyroidism and simply was looking for some

improvement in general health.  At this time I'm not thinking this is a total

cure and there might be a bit more work to do, but I'm very happy and

grateful.  Being able to loose weight feels really great.

Other than a couple of cases I found out with this recent contact with this new

Homeopath, I too had never heard of Homeopathy and Hypothyroidism.  ly I

still don't know that much about Homeopathy.

Good luck in your search and I wish you much improvement... and yes, a cure!

> > >

> > >

> > > From: <res075oh@>

> > > Subject: Re: Nobel Prize Winner Luc Montagnier Supports

Science of Homeopathy

> > > hypothyroidism

> > > Date: Saturday, February 5, 2011, 2:09 PM

> > >

> > >

> > > Unfortunately the " electromagnetic signals " that can do what Montagnier

> > > suggests do not exist.  Further, there is no other known physical

method

> > > that can be used to " imprint " or otherwise leave some information in the

> > > water/alcohol [or powder] mix.  It's all a complete scam. 

Either he is

> > > hopelessly ignorant of the basic principles of physics and science or he

> > > is deliberately perpetrating a scam.

> > >

> > > If you think about it you can see that it could not possibly

work.  The

> > > bs " theory " is that after all of the " active ingredient " has been

> > > removed it still leaves behind some kind of " information " that " tells "

> > > the mix what was there before it was removed.  Even if you don't

know

> > > that that is total bs it probably will eventually occur to you that all

> > > of the water on earth has probably been associated with thousands or

> > > millions of different kinds of materials.  If the bs theory were

correct

> > > then the water/alcohol mix  would still contain the

" electromagnetic

> > > signals " [or imprint] of these thousands/millions of contaminants and

> > > the " active ingredient " of the homeopathic hoax product would be utterly

> > > swamped in the mix.

> > >

> > > Besides, it's rather like adding red dye to a water/alcohol mix and then

> > > removing every molecule of the dye and insisting that the mix still

> > > contains some element of " redness " .  The fact is that if you

remove all

> > > of the dye molecules there is no attribute of redness remaining.

> > >

> > > Not that it really matters.  Homeopathy is a hoax from the very

> > > beginning and even the products that still contain one or many molecules

> > > of the " active ingredient " have no curative powers whatsoever. 

There

> > > are no curative properties in the so-called " active ingredients " used in

> > > homeopathy even at full strength.

> > >

> > > One further note:  There is no " science of homeopathy " . 

You'll sooner

> > > find a science of Santa Clause and the tooth fairy.  Just for fun

try to

> > > find the credible research vehicle in which the so-called " research " is

> > > published.

> > >

> > >

> > > .

> > > .

> > >

> > > >

> > > >       Posted by: " Trish "

fielddot@

> > > >   

   <mailto:fielddot@?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Nobel%20Prize%20\

Winner%20Luc%20Montagnier%20Supports%20Science%20of%20Homeopathy>

> > > >       trishruk

<trishruk>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >         Sat Feb 5, 2011

12:20 am (PST)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > http://www.naturalnews.com/031210_Luc_Montagnier_Homeopathy.html

> > > > <http://www.naturalnews.com/031210_Luc_Montagnier_Homeopathy.html>

> > > >

> > > > " ...Here, Montagnier is making reference to his experimental research

> > > > that confirms one of the controversial features of homeopathic

> > > > medicine that uses doses of substances that undergo sequential

> > > > dilution with vigorous shaking in-between each dilution. Although it

> > > > is common for modern-day scientists to assume that none of the

> > > > original molecules remain in solution, Montagnier's research (and

> > > > other of many of his colleagues) has verified that electromagnetic

> > > > signals of the original medicine remains in the water and has dramatic

> > > > biological effects... "

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Here's a list of drug recalls. I don't know if it's complete, or how far back it

goes, but it's informative, nevertheless.

 

http://www.drugrecalls.com/

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

From: maria p <khusha8@...>

Subject: Re: Nobel Prize Winner Luc Montagnier Supports

Homeopathy. Me too.

hypothyroidism

Date: Tuesday, February 8, 2011, 9:02 AM

Chuck,

The word " scientific " is meaningless to me if it does not provide a cure, an

improvement etc. If a glass of water cures you, then that is totally

meaningful.  If all the research and certifications in the world do nothing for

you, then...

In the best meaning of the word " scientific " to ignore the evidence in order to

preserve protocol might be " unscientific " .  Protocols change all the time as new

discoveries are made.

Science to be truly " scientific " must be open minded.

Chuck, plenty of drugs that have been used for years suddenly get recalled, for

example in 2003 any medication containing  PHENYLPROPANOLAMINE were taken of the

market.  Very well tested drugs get reported as producing all kinds of problems

all the time: Lipitor, Plavix, Ortho Vera...Viagra causes blindness, Paxil

causes birth defects...etc.  Children's Tylenol was recently recalled.  These

are not drugs on trial, they have been widely marketed for years. ly I

don't have a list of these things memorized but let's say that it is very well

known that medical " science " is not perfect and pharmaceutical companies often

sell poison or just useless crap.

Any way Chuck, if you think that my Endocrinologist was right and my Homeopath

was wrong, what can I say.  I personally prefer to side with the evidence and

not the " tradition " .

Be well.

> > ...It is also true that a number of allopathic treatments that have passed

> > all the standard scientific tests including double blind tests have

> > failed don't cure anyone and further more have been found harmful. A

> > great deal of " well " tested drugs get recalled every year.

>

> Nonsense. Drugs that have passed tests (complete, not preliminary) for

> effectiveness are generally only withdrawn later due to side effects

> that were not detected in the earlier tests. Perhaps you are thinking of

> drugs that are still under trial, that were once " promising " but later

> proved to have less than statistical significance. That is very

> different from passing double blind tests.

>

> Can you name an exception?

>

> It is completely scientific to base treatment decisions on statistically

> valid inferences from the best data available. That doesn't guarantee

> that such decisions will be ideal for everyone, but they ARE scientific.

> That is exactly what your endo was doing, but called it " unscientific. "

>

> Chuck

>

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