Guest guest Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 All, I try not to feed into any drama-causing behavior, however has a point in all of this. I was in this group a couple of years ago and the conversations were devolving into this same argument of who is right, who knows more, etc. Gracia always recommended iodine and many people jumped on her for it. Granted, I was pretty irritated by seeing it recommended as if it were the end all be all but that isn't the point. Can we not all get along here? Can we avoid the discussions about how the healthcare efforts of our representatives are bringing the country down around us? Can we have a balance of discussion between allopathic and alternative treatments? Not everyone believes in Reiki or homeopathic medicines but not everyone believes in pharmaceutical medications either. I know we're all struggling to keep ourselves in a balance with our endocrine systems. Why are we fighting each other? I left this group 2 years ago because it seemed all people did was fight. I came here looking for assistance and not to watch people pass judgement on others. Janelle On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 12:48 PM, maria p <khusha8@...> wrote: > To bad this discussion has disintegrated. You seem to be more interested in argumentativeness and preserving your position at all costs than in finding a solution to your health problems. > > Last week I wrote to share with you my own personal experience. And in a passive aggressive way some of you have called me an idiot, while asserting your intellectual superiority. How very sad. > > The reason I posted my results with a Homeopath is because I found it to be a reasonably solid finding worth looking into. I have been treated for other conditions by this same Homeopath with similar successful results. NOT chance, NOT placebo, NOT quackery. But you seem to infer that I can not tell the difference here. > > 1- While traveling I got a bad case of bronchitis and was treated by two different doctors while away. I improved a bit but not enough to be well. After getting back home I went to see my Homeopath , the next day I was not coughing, two days after I was well. > > > 2- Contracted an eye infection. Went to the Homeopath and got better right away. > 3- Have taken my two kids and both have shown improvement with general health… noticeably so after two weeks of treatment. > 4- I had digestive problems which are now gone after one month of treatment by my Homeopath. > 5- My husband has been greatly alleviated from a urinary condition which he's had for a number of years and for which he has had much medical care by two very respected allopathic doctors. > 6- Two friends who both recommended this Homeopath have had very good results over the years. Patients you meet in his waiting room, some of them have seen him multiple times attest to his efficacy. > > NO this is not chance or placebo. > > I do not think this Homeopath can cure all, just like any other medical practitioner. I do think that Homeopathy as a whole does work as so much is influenced by the competency of the practitioner. > > I think it is worth taking a look at Homeopathy. > > Also. > > Roni you wrote: > > " what a homeopath was giving ; it could be a mixture of some very potent substances and not just a homeopathic dilution. The mention of a Chinese doctor giving a (paraphrasing) brown packet that produced good thyroid reaction could well be a packet containing dessicated thyroid gland, not some ancient herbal blend. " > > This is humorous! > > Wow. Please get this straight. Are you saying Homeopath can/did cure me of Hypothyroidism? Are you saying my Homeopath is a medical genius / financial idiot?? He has a very potent mixture that can cure Hypothyroidism and sells it for the price of a mere homeopathic potion? Are you saying the Chinese doctor is a medical genius / financial idiot?? He has the ability to desiccate thyroid glands ( a very expensive and complicated process) and sells it for next to nothing. Wow, wow, wow. > > Why are you all posting on this forum? Boredom, ego, both? > > I read a post that claims a Homeopathic medicament only worked because it had an herbal component that does work. That is so ridiculous. What does this " over the counter " homeopathic remedy of dubious nature has to do with the efficacy of Homeopathy. That is the same as saying that because a cough medicine has en herbal component the other components don't work… blah, blah, blah… > > By the way, my doctor dispenses only Homeopathic medicine. He does prescribe vitamins and other nutrients when appropriate and advices against mixing other medicaments (herbal or allopathic) with his treatements. > > Any way… I'm glad I posted my experience here. People from this group got to hear an alternative " opinion " . A couple of people did write to me to find out more and are looking into Homeopathy. I hope they find relief. > > As for those who seem to " hog " this forum, bulling others with their supreme tired opinions. Sorry, I got better things to do that to waste my time with you. > > However I do wish you all to be well. > > . > > > >> > > ... The problem is the above does not apply to homeopathy because there is >> > > no active ingredient at all in many of the preparations.... >> > >> > I noticed years ago that many of the tinctures sold as homeopathic >> > remedies were actually mixtures of an ultra dilution with an herbal >> > remedy that DID have active ingredients. That may be the kind of >> > combination that works for Roni. >> > >> > Chuck >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------ >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 Thank you Janelle! I feel the exact same way. > > > > " what a homeopath was giving ; it could be a > mixture of some very potent substances and not just a > homeopathic dilution.  The mention of a Chinese doctor > giving a (paraphrasing) brown packet that produced good > thyroid reaction could well be a packet containing > dessicated thyroid gland, not some  ancient herbal blend. " > > > > This is humorous! > > > > Wow.  Please get this straight.  Are you saying > Homeopath can/did cure me of Hypothyroidism?  Are you > saying my Homeopath is a medical genius / financial idiot?? >  He has a very potent mixture that can cure Hypothyroidism > and sells it for the price of a mere homeopathic potion? >  Are you saying the Chinese doctor is a medical genius / > financial idiot??  He has the ability to desiccate thyroid > glands ( a very expensive  and complicated process) and > sells it for next to nothing.  Wow, wow, wow. > > > > Why are you all posting on this forum?  Boredom, ego, > both? > > > > I read a post that claims a Homeopathic medicament > only worked because it had an herbal component that does > work.  That is so ridiculous.  What does this " over the > counter " homeopathic remedy of dubious nature has to do with > the efficacy of Homeopathy.  That is the same as saying > that because a cough medicine has en herbal component the > other components don't work… blah, blah, blah… > > > > By the way, my doctor dispenses only Homeopathic > medicine.  He does prescribe vitamins and other nutrients > when appropriate and advices against mixing other > medicaments (herbal or allopathic) with his treatements. > > > > Any way… I'm glad I posted my experience here. >  People from this group got to hear an alternative > " opinion " .  A couple of people did write to me to find out > more and are looking into Homeopathy.  I hope they find > relief. > > > > As for those who seem to " hog " this forum, bulling > others with their supreme tired opinions.  Sorry, I got > better things to do that to waste my time with you. > > > > However I do wish you all to be well. > > > > . > > > > > > > >> > > ... The problem is the above does not > apply to homeopathy because there is > >> > > no active ingredient at all in many of > the preparations.... > >> > > >> > I noticed years ago that many of the > tinctures sold as homeopathic > >> > remedies were actually mixtures of an ultra > dilution with an herbal > >> > remedy that DID have active ingredients. That > may be the kind of > >> > combination that works for Roni. > >> > > >> > Chuck > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------ > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 I did not write this.  Roni you wrote: " what a homeopath was giving ; it could be a mixture of some very potent substances and not just a homeopathic dilution. The mention of a Chinese doctor giving a (paraphrasing) brown packet that produced good thyroid reaction could well be a packet containing dessicated thyroid gland, not some ancient herbal blend. " You're getting the posts mixed up. It happens to me sometimes too because they don't always come in in order.   <>Roni Immortality exists! It's called knowledge!  Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> " what a homeopath was giving ; it could be a mixture of some very potent substances and not just a homeopathic dilution. The mention of a Chinese doctor giving a (paraphrasing) brown packet that produced good thyroid reaction could well be a packet containing dessicated thyroid gland, not some ancient herbal blend. " This is humorous! Wow. Please get this straight. Are you saying Homeopath can/did cure me of Hypothyroidism? Are you saying my Homeopath is a medical genius / financial idiot?? He has a very potent mixture that can cure Hypothyroidism and sells it for the price of a mere homeopathic potion? Are you saying the Chinese doctor is a medical genius / financial idiot?? He has the ability to desiccate thyroid glands ( a very expensive and complicated process) and sells it for next to nothing. Wow, wow, wow. Why are you all posting on this forum? Boredom, ego, both? I read a post that claims a Homeopathic medicament only worked because it had an herbal component that does work. That is so ridiculous. What does this " over the counter " homeopathic remedy of dubious nature has to do with the efficacy of Homeopathy. That is the same as saying that because a cough medicine has en herbal component the other components don't work… blah, blah, blah… By the way, my doctor dispenses only Homeopathic medicine. He does prescribe vitamins and other nutrients when appropriate and advices against mixing other medicaments (herbal or allopathic) with his treatements. Any way… I'm glad I posted my experience here. People from this group got to hear an alternative " opinion " .   A couple of people did write to me to find out more and are looking into Homeopathy. I hope they find relief. As for those who seem to " hog " this forum, bulling others with their supreme tired opinions. Sorry, I got better things to do that to waste my time with you. However I do wish you all to be well. . > > > ... The problem is the above does not apply to homeopathy because there is > > > no active ingredient at all in many of the preparations.... > > > > I noticed years ago that many of the tinctures sold as homeopathic > > remedies were actually mixtures of an ultra dilution with an herbal > > remedy that DID have active ingredients. That may be the kind of > > combination that works for Roni. > > > > Chuck > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 I agree that we should not be fighting with each other. I also feel that when someone presents something from any protocol that others should be able to ask questions about it. This, of course should be done respectfully, without denegrating the person who presented the information in the first place. <>Roni Immortality exists! It's called knowledge!  Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> > > " what a homeopath was giving ; it could be a mixture of some very potent substances and not just a homeopathic dilution.  The mention of a Chinese doctor giving a (paraphrasing) brown packet that produced good thyroid reaction could well be a packet containing dessicated thyroid gland, not some  ancient herbal blend. " > > This is humorous! > > Wow.  Please get this straight.  Are you saying Homeopath can/did cure me of Hypothyroidism?  Are you saying my Homeopath is a medical genius / financial idiot??  He has a very potent mixture that can cure Hypothyroidism and sells it for the price of a mere homeopathic potion?  Are you saying the Chinese doctor is a medical genius / financial idiot??  He has the ability to desiccate thyroid glands ( a very expensive  and complicated process) and sells it for next to nothing.  Wow, wow, wow. > > Why are you all posting on this forum?  Boredom, ego, both? > > I read a post that claims a Homeopathic medicament only worked because it had an herbal component that does work.  That is so ridiculous.  What does this " over the counter " homeopathic remedy of dubious nature has to do with the efficacy of Homeopathy.  That is the same as saying that because a cough medicine has en herbal component the other components don't work… blah, blah, blah… > > By the way, my doctor dispenses only Homeopathic medicine.  He does prescribe vitamins and other nutrients when appropriate and advices against mixing other medicaments (herbal or allopathic) with his treatements. > > Any way… I'm glad I posted my experience here.  People from this group got to hear an alternative " opinion " .  A couple of people did write to me to find out more and are looking into Homeopathy.  I hope they find relief. > > As for those who seem to " hog " this forum, bulling others with their supreme tired opinions.  Sorry, I got better things to do that to waste my time with you. > > However I do wish you all to be well. > > . > > > >> > > ... The problem is the above does not apply to homeopathy because there is >> > > no active ingredient at all in many of the preparations.... >> > >> > I noticed years ago that many of the tinctures sold as homeopathic >> > remedies were actually mixtures of an ultra dilution with an herbal >> > remedy that DID have active ingredients. That may be the kind of >> > combination that works for Roni. >> > >> > Chuck >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------ >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 No, I wrote this. I would like to know what people are taking. In my mind, which by the way is autistic so I process thoughts differently than others, a substance needs to " work " in order to be even worthy of considering buying it. I went to a homeopath years ago, and he told me everything that he was prescribing. I would never take anything blindly; to do so in my mind is to act emotionally without the benefit of rational thought. It's my body, and I need to know what is going into it. By the way, I had zero results from the homeopathy. And there are plenty of thyroid products that are obtainable in this world that are not prescription compounds such as the more expensive Armour. There have been many stories of supposedly pure herbal mixtures that actually have contained dangerous drugs designed to change symptoms. All the examples that gave to " prove " healing with homeopathics are situations in which the body can heal itself given enough time (other than hypothyroidism). There is a bell type curve of self healing for most illness in which we initially feel slight symptoms, they increase in magnitude to the apex of severity,at which point most people seek help and take some substance. And by this time, the condition is naturally resolving anyway, so it appears as if the substance we took cured us. My daughter's doctor could be called an alternative practitioner, although an MD, and he is the one who told me not to medicate for many typical childhood illnesses such as cold, fever etc. because they would resolve on their own and that the symptoms were actually the result of the body's defenses. Suppressing the symptoms suppresses the defenses. If we knew what had taken, including minerals, etc. we may therein find the explanation for her recovery. E.G., she was low iron and boosting her levels restored her thyroid function. But I guess we'll never know...we got an emotional response/attack instead of the the facts. Marla > > " what a homeopath was giving ; it could be a mixture of some very potent substances and not just a homeopathic dilution. The mention of a Chinese doctor giving a (paraphrasing) brown packet that produced good thyroid reaction could well be a packet containing dessicated thyroid gland, not some ancient herbal blend. " > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ > 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time > with the Search movie showtime shortcut. > http://tools.search./shortcuts/#news > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 Thanks for your post. I would hope that the members on this forum recognize and understand that when we ask questions and information, even if it disagrees with what you believe, we are not attacking anyone, or doubting your sincerity. We give the information because we've been in this a long time, and believe me if there were some miracle cure out there, we would all hear about it in short order, givne the speed of the internet and the information that goes around. Another thing, if a particular protocol CURED hypothyroidism, all of us with this condition would immediately start taking it. We all want to be free from this, so we are absolutely not trying to give anyone a hard time. On the contrary we would like to prevent some people from taking harmful or inefective things that will not help their thyroids to work properly, and therefore negatively impact their entire bodies. The heart, lungs, arteries, bones, brain, kidneys, liver, etc. So far, nothing CURES hypothyroidism. The best they have come up with is replacing the hormone, so no protocol, no matter what it is or how long it's been around has CURED this condition. So please guys, if we disagree with anything you are saying, don't get defensive. We are always open to debate about the issue, not about the person presenting it. <>Roni Immortality exists! It's called knowledge! Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: flatwoodfarms <marlum@...> Subject: Re: Homeopathy. Too bad. hypothyroidism Date: Saturday, February 12, 2011, 7:32 AM No, I wrote this. I would like to know what people are taking. In my mind, which by the way is autistic so I process thoughts differently than others, a substance needs to " work " in order to be even worthy of considering buying it. I went to a homeopath years ago, and he told me everything that he was prescribing. I would never take anything blindly; to do so in my mind is to act emotionally without the benefit of rational thought. It's my body, and I need to know what is going into it. By the way, I had zero results from the homeopathy. And there are plenty of thyroid products that are obtainable in this world that are not prescription compounds such as the more expensive Armour. There have been many stories of supposedly pure herbal mixtures that actually have contained dangerous drugs designed to change symptoms. All the examples that gave to " prove " healing with homeopathics are situations in which the body can heal itself given enough time (other than hypothyroidism). There is a bell type curve of self healing for most illness in which we initially feel slight symptoms, they increase in magnitude to the apex of severity,at which point most people seek help and take some substance. And by this time, the condition is naturally resolving anyway, so it appears as if the substance we took cured us. My daughter's doctor could be called an alternative practitioner, although an MD, and he is the one who told me not to medicate for many typical childhood illnesses such as cold, fever etc. because they would resolve on their own and that the symptoms were actually the result of the body's defenses. Suppressing the symptoms suppresses the defenses. If we knew what had taken, including minerals, etc. we may therein find the explanation for her recovery. E.G., she was low iron and boosting her levels restored her thyroid function. But I guess we'll never know...we got an emotional response/attack instead of the the facts. Marla > > " what a homeopath was giving ; it could be a mixture of some very potent substances and not just a homeopathic dilution. The mention of a Chinese doctor giving a (paraphrasing) brown packet that produced good thyroid reaction could well be a packet containing dessicated thyroid gland, not some ancient herbal blend. " > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ > 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time > with the Search movie showtime shortcut. > http://tools.search./shortcuts/#news > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 > Last week I wrote to share with you my own personal experience. And in a passive aggressive way some of you have called me an idiot, while asserting your intellectual superiority. How very sad. hello maria i'm glad you took the time to write and share your personal experiences...it is very heartening to read that you now have good health. i do hope your personal evidence that homeopathy works will encourage others who are not getting their health issues resolved with allopathic medicine to seek out a qualified practitioner. to me it demonstrates intelligence to treat a person in their totality. for that reason i really like ayurveda as a *system*. passive-agggressive is some people's modus operandi unfortunately. i've speculated as to why people indulge in covert abuse, argumentativeness for the sake of it and have wondered whether perhaps its due to low adrenal function, they get a " kick " out of it and " need " it to feel alive and then over time the body gets used to the adrenaline and the behaviour becomes habitual. (i expect there are loads of reasons however). wishing you continued good health > > To bad this discussion has disintegrated. You seem to be more interested in argumentativeness and preserving your position at all costs than in finding a solution to your health problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Hi, . A few comments below... .. .. > Posted by: " maria p " khusha8@... > <mailto:khusha8@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Homeopathy%2E%20Too%20bad%2E> > khusha8 <khusha8> > > > Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:49 am (PST) > > > > To bad this discussion has disintegrated. You seem to be more > interested in argumentativeness and preserving your position at all > costs than in finding a solution to your health problems. .. .. I can't really tell to whom some of your comments are addressed. The two posts you quote are by Roni, but she has not been argumentative at all; rather just asked a few questions. My posts are the ones that have debated the veracity of your homeopathic posits. I am responding as though you were addressing me. As for my health problems they seem to be well controlled; thanks for your concern. .. .. > > Last week I wrote to share with you my own personal experience. And in > a passive aggressive way some of you have called me an idiot, while > asserting your intellectual superiority. How very sad. .. .. That is false. No one here called you an idiot. No one here has posted anything that I've seen that gave any specific judgment of your intellectual level. A statement that you do not demonstrate education in any particular field has nothing to do with you IQ. I believe you're the only one here to even use the word " idiot " in a sentence. The implications from that are probably clearer than you intended. If I'm wrong and anyone here has called you an idiot please provide a quote and I will be happy to apologize. .. .. > > The reason I posted my results with a Homeopath is because I found it > to be a reasonably solid finding worth looking into. I have been > treated for other conditions by this same Homeopath with similar > successful results. NOT chance, NOT placebo, NOT quackery. But you > seem to infer that I can not tell the difference here. .. .. The word would be " imply " ; not " infer " . As for telling the difference I'm convinced you cannot. Vast numbers of patients are given placebos and sometimes a quarter or half of them show benefits; sometimes more. These patients AFAIK cannot tell the difference. The limited research I've done does not point to a large difference between those of high IQ and low IQ, or between poor or excellent education. There could be such studies that I have not seen I guess. Some people whose intellectual capacity has been severely diminished or destroyed such as Alzheimer patients do not seem to respond to placebos. For quite a bit of information that seems reasonably accurate check out this link: .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo#The_individual .. In any event: I've posted here multiple times that I have observed reactions to medications in myself that seem to most probably be a placebo result. How is it that you think you can tell the difference if no one else can? .. .. > > 1- While traveling I got a bad case of bronchitis and was treated by > two different doctors while away. I improved a bit but not enough to > be well. After getting back home I went to see my Homeopath , the next > day I was not coughing, two days after I was well. > > 2- Contracted an eye infection. Went to the Homeopath and got better > right away. > 3- Have taken my two kids and both have shown improvement with general > health… noticeably so after two weeks of treatment. > 4- I had digestive problems which are now gone after one month of > treatment by my Homeopath. > 5- My husband has been greatly alleviated from a urinary condition > which he's had for a number of years and for which he has had much > medical care by two very respected allopathic doctors. > 6- Two friends who both recommended this Homeopath have had very good > results over the years. Patients you meet in his waiting room, some of > them have seen him multiple times attest to his efficacy. > > NO this is not chance or placebo. .. .. Approximately 99.99...% of humans who have been healed/recovered from any injury or illness did so without the aid of allopathic medicine; any in the vast majority of those cases probably without even the aid of a herbalist, witch doctor or shaman. That is a number no doubt in the billions. And I would suggest it is more meaningful than the anecdotal evidence you present. .. .. > > I do not think this Homeopath can cure all, just like any other > medical practitioner. I do think that Homeopathy as a whole does work > as so much is influenced by the competency of the practitioner. > > I think it is worth taking a look at Homeopathy. .. .. I've taken a look at it. I've gone to the trouble of checking out the ways the " experts " in that field say it works; and I have compared those posits with the well established laws of science and I find vast contradictions. .. .. > > Also. > > Roni you wrote: > > " what a homeopath was giving ; it could be a mixture of some very > potent substances and not just a homeopathic dilution. The mention of > a Chinese doctor giving a (paraphrasing) brown packet that produced > good thyroid reaction could well be a packet containing dessicated > thyroid gland, not some ancient herbal blend. " > > This is humorous! .. .. What some people find humorous is itself humorous. We would not all agree on that subject either. .. .. > > Wow. Please get this straight. Are you saying Homeopath can/did cure > me of Hypothyroidism? Are you saying my Homeopath is a medical genius > / financial idiot?? He has a very potent mixture that can cure > Hypothyroidism and sells it for the price of a mere homeopathic > potion? Are you saying the Chinese doctor is a medical genius / > financial idiot?? He has the ability to desiccate thyroid glands ( a > very expensive and complicated process) and sells it for next to > nothing. Wow, wow, wow. .. .. Bow, wow, wow. Boy, I make a lot of sense here, don't I? [ggg] No, she didn't say any of that; not a single item. It apparently comes from a fertile imagination. .. .. I'm convinced that Roni posts here in a sincere effort to provide effective help to those who suffer as she has. Everything I've seen that she has posted over the years points to that. If you're asking me [your intent is somewhat confusing] then I try to help by providing a reasonably supported response wherever I can. Part of what I do is to respond to claims for which there is no scientific support and explain why they have none; and why they are unlikely to benefit above chance or placebo. I operate from the position of allopathic medicine and science, although I would hasten to add that I have no credentials in either. Others here operate from the position of alternative medicine. It's not uncommon to hear allopathic practitioners referred to as " quacks " or " stupid " or other negatives. It shouldn't be that much more objectionable if the shoe is on the other foot. We discuss [and cuss] the different methods and when we're done you can make your choice. One of my many limitations is a visceral dislike/disgust for those con artists who prey upon the sick, desperate and gullible. I want to do whatever I can to prevent such. To that end I present whatever evidence I can that shows the lack of support for their practices in order to more properly arm their intended victims. .. .. > > Why are you all posting on this forum? Boredom, ego, both? .. .. I'm here to learn and to help others learn. Battling ignorance and superstition is a never ending struggle but IMHO someone needs to do it. .. .. > > I read a post that claims a Homeopathic medicament only worked because > it had an herbal component that does work. That is so ridiculous. What > does this " over the counter " homeopathic remedy of dubious nature has > to do with the efficacy of Homeopathy. That is the same as saying that > because a cough medicine has en herbal component the other components > don't work… blah, blah, blah… .. .. A great example of illogic. .. .. > > By the way, my doctor dispenses only Homeopathic medicine. He does > prescribe vitamins and other nutrients when appropriate and advices > against mixing other medicaments (herbal or allopathic) with his > treatements. > > Any way… I'm glad I posted my experience here. People from this group > got to hear an alternative " opinion " . A couple of people did write to > me to find out more and are looking into Homeopathy. I hope they find > relief. > > As for those who seem to " hog " this forum, bulling others with their > supreme tired opinions. Sorry, I got better things to do that to waste > my time with you. > > However I do wish you all to be well. > > . .. .. Have a nice day, .. .. > > > > > > Yes, this is why I was curious about what a homeopath was giving > ; it could be a mixture of some very potent substances and not > just a homeopathic dilution. The mention of a Chinese doctor giving a > (paraphrasing) brown packet that produced good thyroid reaction could > well be a packet containing dessicated thyroid gland, not some ancient > herbal blend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 That is one of the clearest discussions I've seen of how typical ailments work. IMHO if that is the result of an autistic mind then perhaps we need to investigate that! [ggg] Regards, .. .. > Posted by: " flatwoodfarms " marlum@... > <mailto:marlum@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Homeopathy%2E%20Too%20bad%2E> > flatwoodfarms <flatwoodfarms> > > > Sat Feb 12, 2011 7:32 am (PST) > > > > No, I wrote this. I would like to know what people are taking. In my > mind, which by the way is autistic so I process thoughts differently > than others, a substance needs to " work " in order to be even worthy of > considering buying it. I went to a homeopath years ago, and he told me > everything that he was prescribing. I would never take anything > blindly; to do so in my mind is to act emotionally without the benefit > of rational thought. It's my body, and I need to know what is going > into it. By the way, I had zero results from the homeopathy. > > And there are plenty of thyroid products that are obtainable in this > world that are not prescription compounds such as the more expensive > Armour. There have been many stories of supposedly pure herbal > mixtures that actually have contained dangerous drugs designed to > change symptoms. > > All the examples that gave to " prove " healing with homeopathics > are situations in which the body can heal itself given enough time > (other than hypothyroidism) > . There is a bell type curve of self healing for most illness in which > we initially feel slight symptoms, they increase in magnitude to the > apex of severity,at which point most people seek help and take some > substance. And by this time, the condition is naturally resolving > anyway, so it appears as if the substance we took cured us. > My daughter's doctor could be called an alternative practitioner, > although an MD, and he is the one who told me not to medicate for many > typical childhood illnesses such as cold, fever etc. because they > would resolve on their own and that the symptoms were actually the > result of the body's defenses. Suppressing the symptoms suppresses the > defenses. > > If we knew what had taken, including minerals, etc. we may > therein find the explanation for her recovery. E.G., she was low iron > and boosting her levels restored her thyroid function. > But I guess we'll never know...we got an emotional response/attack > instead of the the facts. > Marla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 Attacking a person [as we have recently seen here, although not by me] is aggressive or passive-aggressive. Attacking a position is not. Too bad if you cannot tell the difference. In addition: There is a name for statements that are directly contrary to fact, and can easily shown to be so. No one called an idiot. Saying that she [along with millions of others] cannot tell what is a placebo or chance is not saying that she [or they] are idiots. BTW, sorry my recent post had so many typos; I guess I need to pay more attention to proofreading. .. .. > Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@... > <mailto:fielddot@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Homeopathy%2E%20Too%20bad%2E> > trishruk <trishruk> > > > Sun Feb 13, 2011 3:03 am (PST) > > > > > > > Last week I wrote to share with you my own personal experience. And > in a passive aggressive way some of you have called me an idiot, while > asserting your intellectual superiority. How very sad. > > hello maria > > i'm glad you took the time to write and share your personal experiences. > ..it is very heartening to read that you now have good health. i do > hope your personal evidence that homeopathy works will encourage > others who are not getting their health issues resolved with > allopathic medicine to seek out a qualified practitioner. to me it > demonstrates intelligence to treat a person in their totality. for > that reason i really like ayurveda as a *system*. > > passive-agggressive is some people's modus operandi unfortunately. > i've speculated as to why people indulge in covert abuse, > argumentativeness for the sake of it and have wondered whether perhaps > its due to low adrenal function, they get a " kick " out of it and > " need " it to feel alive and then over time the body gets used to the > adrenaline and the behaviour becomes habitual. (i expect there are > loads of reasons however). > > wishing you continued good health Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 Hey Trish. Yes, I agree with you about some peoples habits and the chemical response they get out of argumentativeness. Besides a low adrenal function I think they are addicted to a particular " feeling " , probably something they have grown up with and are now stuck in. This type of " feeling " with its constant negativity eventually causes damage to the body. The mind-body connection is powerful. Ayurvedic medicine is great. I know a number of people that successfully use it. I have not tried it myself, yet although I do use some of their principles in my diet. For years I've been into " naturism " with great results. For the first time I've had an illness like Hypothyroidism, the result of a great imbalance in my system no doubt cause by the stress of the constant traveling I do for work. This is why friends recommended I look into Homeopathy. The Homeopath I'm seeing works (as most of them do) with the body-mind connection a great deal. He focuses on balancing the mind issues together with the body malfunction to correct the condition. Be well Trish. > > > > To bad this discussion has disintegrated. You seem to be more interested in argumentativeness and preserving your position at all costs than in finding a solution to your health problems. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 maria said: > Last week I wrote to share with you my own personal experience. And in a passive aggressive way some of you have called me an idiot, while asserting your intellectual superiority. How very sad. and you relplied:. That is false. No one here called you an idiot. but in message no 53941 you said: " So: I didn't say anyone is an idiot [tempting though it may be], " and the words in bracket imply that you wanted to call maria an idiot and this could be construed as covert abuse (passive aggressive); why would you be tempted to call maria an idiot unless you thought she was an idiot? typos don't bother me, the brain makes sense of sentences even when words are completely jumbled. grammatical errors can be a bit bothersome sometimes e.g. using " there " instead of " their " . > > Attacking a person [as we have recently seen here, although not by me] > is aggressive or passive-aggressive. Attacking a position is not. Too > bad if you cannot tell the difference. > > In addition: There is a name for statements that are directly contrary > to fact, and can easily shown to be so. No one called an idiot. > Saying that she [along with millions of others] cannot tell what is a > placebo or chance is not saying that she [or they] are idiots. > > BTW, sorry my recent post had so many typos; I guess I need to pay more > attention to proofreading. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 You might note if you've been paying attention that my use of the word " idiot " even as a joke did not occur until AFTER stated she had been called an idiot. I had not used the word at all at the time she made the accusation; therefore I could not have been guilty as charged. keeps asserting that I'm implying that she's an idiot because I've suggested she could not determine if a result from a medical procedure were due to a placebo. The fact is that in well controlled double blind studies neither the patients nor the doctors knows who is getting a placebo. There is no reason to suggest that the patients getting the placebos are idiots; as far as I know the IQ levels are probably average. I'm sure some would be higher and some lower than average. Just because someone's posts are sadly lacking in rational reasoning, full of illogic and facts that aren't doesn't prove they're an idiot; neither does the fact that they cannot discuss an issue without attacking the person rather than the position. Nor does the introduction of emotional demonstrations. In any event: My purpose isn't to try to convince ; but rather to provide an alternate view to suggestions for medical treatment that are highly suspect. Just as my recent response to the post about Dr. Rind: I think we should let people know the kind of person who is being recommended here. In the instance mentioned his info on the subject FAIK may have been correct; but I certainly wouldn't trust someone with my health who has proved he is utterly unworthy of that trust. .. .. > Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@... > <mailto:fielddot@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Homeopathy%2E%20Too%20bad%2E> > trishruk <trishruk> > > > Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:23 am (PST) > > > > > > maria said: > > Last week I wrote to share with you my own personal experience. And > in a passive aggressive way some of you have called me an idiot, while > asserting your intellectual superiority. How very sad. > > and you relplied:. > That is false. No one here called you an idiot. > > but in message no 53941 > you said: > > " So: I didn't say anyone is an idiot [tempting though it may be], " > > and the words in bracket imply that you wanted to call maria an idiot > and this could be construed as covert abuse (passive aggressive); why > would you be tempted to call maria an idiot unless you thought she was > an idiot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 I find that I have to take Dr. Rind's words in this and other articles with a grain of scepticism and a sprinkle of caution. To be honest, that is how I take most articles, especially if any of them are selling something. Also, some things found on the net are old, some are very old. Things change, time marches on and new knowledge is acquired. I don't think everyone reads past what is comfortable for them, and this could be dangerous because some things have been found to cause serious harm many years after first being introduced. <>Roni Immortality exists! It's called knowledge! Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: <res075oh@...> Subject: Re: Homeopathy. Too bad. hypothyroidism Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 9:16 AM You might note if you've been paying attention that my use of the word " idiot " even as a joke did not occur until AFTER stated she had been called an idiot. I had not used the word at all at the time she made the accusation; therefore I could not have been guilty as charged. keeps asserting that I'm implying that she's an idiot because I've suggested she could not determine if a result from a medical procedure were due to a placebo. The fact is that in well controlled double blind studies neither the patients nor the doctors knows who is getting a placebo. There is no reason to suggest that the patients getting the placebos are idiots; as far as I know the IQ levels are probably average. I'm sure some would be higher and some lower than average. Just because someone's posts are sadly lacking in rational reasoning, full of illogic and facts that aren't doesn't prove they're an idiot; neither does the fact that they cannot discuss an issue without attacking the person rather than the position. Nor does the introduction of emotional demonstrations. In any event: My purpose isn't to try to convince ; but rather to provide an alternate view to suggestions for medical treatment that are highly suspect. Just as my recent response to the post about Dr. Rind: I think we should let people know the kind of person who is being recommended here. In the instance mentioned his info on the subject FAIK may have been correct; but I certainly wouldn't trust someone with my health who has proved he is utterly unworthy of that trust. .. .. > Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@... > <mailto:fielddot@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Homeopathy%2E%20Too%20bad%2E> > trishruk <trishruk> > > > Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:23 am (PST) > > > > > > maria said: > > Last week I wrote to share with you my own personal experience. And > in a passive aggressive way some of you have called me an idiot, while > asserting your intellectual superiority. How very sad. > > and you relplied:. > That is false. No one here called you an idiot. > > but in message no 53941 > you said: > > " So: I didn't say anyone is an idiot [tempting though it may be], " > > and the words in bracket imply that you wanted to call maria an idiot > and this could be construed as covert abuse (passive aggressive); why > would you be tempted to call maria an idiot unless you thought she was > an idiot? ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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