Armour and Progesterone Phase of HRT

[Guest guest]

For some time now whne I'm on the estrogen/progestereone phase of my HRT

(cycle so that I'm not using progesterone 24/7) (I'm62, fully menopausal - l

l/2 grain Armour a day) I become highly agitated, scared, skaky, disordered

brain, and rapid heart beat. No doubt this is the progesterone as i

don'thave this problem when on estrogen only phase.

Anybody got an explanation? Should I reduce the amoutn of Armour. I

can't think straight or function right.

--

Duffy

[Guest guest]

I would try reducing it and see if it makes a difference. In the meantime you

can make an appointment with your doctor.

<>Roni

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doesn't mean it's not there<>

From: Duffy <knockneed@...>

Subject: Armour and Progesterone Phase of HRT

hypothyroidism , NaturalThyroidHormones

Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 2:49 PM

For some time now whne I'm on the estrogen/progestereone phase of my HRT

(cycle so that I'm not using progesterone 24/7) (I'm62, fully menopausal - l

l/2 grain Armour a day) I become highly agitated, scared, skaky, disordered

brain, and rapid heart beat.   No doubt this is the progesterone as i

don'thave this problem when on estrogen only phase.

Anybody got an explanation?   Should I reduce the amoutn of Armour.   I

can't think straight or function right.

--

Duffy

[Guest guest]

Duffy,

You wrote:

> For some time now whne I'm on the estrogen/progestereone phase of my HRT

> (cycle so that I'm not using progesterone 24/7) (I'm62, fully menopausal - l

> l/2 grain Armour a day) I become highly agitated, scared, skaky, disordered

> brain, and rapid heart beat. No doubt this is the progesterone as i

> don'thave this problem when on estrogen only phase.

>

> Anybody got an explanation? Should I reduce the amoutn of Armour. I

> can't think straight or function right.

I would agree with that. Estrogen increases globulin binding, so you

effectively have less T3 available. When you switch to progesterone, the

same dose of Armour will give you a bump in FT3.

I am a little leery of HRT, though. Did you have unusually severe

problems that justified it?

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much for an explanation. So, given your explanation , would it be

best for me to reduce my one and a half Armour dose a bit during the

progesterone phase in order to keep the T3 from spiking? So dreadful...

such a reaction-

I have a most debilitating disorder of the female genitalia -dysesthetic

vulvodynia, and vulvar vestibulitis. Tried all the treatments in the world

and then some, but the HRT and some topical hormones are the only thing that

worked to stop that 24/7 pain. I was unable to wear pants, underwear, sit

anywhere, walk anywhere - in short my life was limited to lying on my sofa

begging the powers that be to stop the blow torch burning pain.

Since I still have a uterus, it is necessary to also use the blasted

progesterone - which by the way also gives me burning tongue during the time

that I'm in the progesterone/estrogen phase. When its the estrogen only

phase - I don't have burning tongue.

On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 5:21 PM, ChuckB <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

> Duffy,

>

> You wrote:

> > For some time now whne I'm on the estrogen/progestereone phase of my HRT

> > (cycle so that I'm not using progesterone 24/7) (I'm62, fully menopausal

> - l

> > l/2 grain Armour a day) I become highly agitated, scared, skaky,

> disordered

> > brain, and rapid heart beat. No doubt this is the progesterone as i

> > don'thave this problem when on estrogen only phase.

> >

> > Anybody got an explanation? Should I reduce the amoutn of Armour. I

> > can't think straight or function right.

>

> I would agree with that. Estrogen increases globulin binding, so you

> effectively have less T3 available. When you switch to progesterone, the

> same dose of Armour will give you a bump in FT3.

>

> I am a little leery of HRT, though. Did you have unusually severe

> problems that justified it?

>

> Chuck

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Duffy,

You wrote:

> Thanks so much for an explanation. So, given your explanation , would it be

> best for me to reduce my one and a half Armour dose a bit during the

> progesterone phase in order to keep the T3 from spiking? ...

Yes, that is what I meant. I also agree with Roni, that you should

discuss any such change with your physician.

Mild hyperT (without overt symptoms) has hidden effects on the heart

muscle and bone density, but that requires a chronic (greater than three

months) exposure. The short term, acute effects you are experiencing can

cause dangerous cardiac reactions. Besides being unpleasant, hyperT is

not something with which to experiment casually.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Have you had your estrogen and progeseterone levels checked first thing in the

morning before and med? Have you gotten the lab sheet showing your results? I

remember when I was on HRT because of severe hot flashes every 20 minutes 24/7,

I found it better to take half of the progesterone rxc for me. I felt better

that way. Later, in the 2003 nurses study they found that people who were on

estrogen HRT alone had less cancer than people on both. At that point, I had

been on it for about 10 years, so I stopped all of it cold turkey, had some hot

flashes for a couple of years, but not nearly so bad and not nearly so many.

 

 

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

> > For some time now whne I'm on the estrogen/progestereone phase of my HRT

> > (cycle so that I'm not using progesterone 24/7) (I'm62, fully menopausal

> - l

> > l/2 grain Armour a day) I become highly agitated, scared, skaky,

> disordered

> > brain, and rapid heart beat. No doubt this is the progesterone as i

> > don'thave this problem when on estrogen only phase.

> >

> > Anybody got an explanation? Should I reduce the amoutn of Armour. I

> > can't think straight or function right.

>

> I would agree with that. Estrogen increases globulin binding, so you

> effectively have less T3 available. When you switch to progesterone, the

> same dose of Armour will give you a bump in FT3.

>

> I am a little leery of HRT, though. Did you have unusually severe

> problems that justified it?

>

> Chuck

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

No Roni, I haven't - I am on a very low dose of proges. - been doing this

since 2002 - but it wasn't until I started using Armour that I started

having these terrible episodes during the Prog/Est. phase of the HRT..... so

I have felt that there is a clear connection between the two. I did NOT

have this problem on Synthroid. Unless forced, it is unlikely I will

discontinue some form of HRT because of my chronic female condition. I have

lowered my HRT dose over the years - very slowly...... to try and achieve

the lowest possibile dosage

Tks for your response.

duffy

On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> wrote:

> Have you had your estrogen and progeseterone levels checked first thing in

> the morning before and med? Have you gotten the lab sheet showing your

> results? I remember when I was on HRT because of severe hot flashes every 20

> minutes 24/7, I found it better to take half of the progesterone rxc for me.

> I felt better that way. Later, in the 2003 nurses study they found that

> people who were on estrogen HRT alone had less cancer than people on both.

> At that point, I had been on it for about 10 years, so I stopped all of it

> cold turkey, had some hot flashes for a couple of years, but not nearly

> so bad and not nearly so many.

>

>

>

>

> <>Roni

> Immortality exists!

> It's called knowledge!

>

> Just because something isn't seen

> doesn't mean it's not there<>

>

>

> > > For some time now whne I'm on the estrogen/progestereone phase of my

> HRT

> > > (cycle so that I'm not using progesterone 24/7) (I'm62, fully

> menopausal

> > - l

> > > l/2 grain Armour a day) I become highly agitated, scared, skaky,

> > disordered

> > > brain, and rapid heart beat. No doubt this is the progesterone as i

> > > don'thave this problem when on estrogen only phase.

> > >

> > > Anybody got an explanation? Should I reduce the amoutn of Armour. I

> > > can't think straight or function right.

> >

> > I would agree with that. Estrogen increases globulin binding, so you

> > effectively have less T3 available. When you switch to progesterone, the

> > same dose of Armour will give you a bump in FT3.

> >

> > I am a little leery of HRT, though. Did you have unusually severe

> > problems that justified it?

> >

> > Chuck

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Tks Chuck. I have already discussed much of this with both my GYN (who

says HUH? when I ask could hormones affect thyroid levels) and my current

GP. Current GP is basically in the same boat as saying dunno if there's a

crossover effect (odd, huh, since the contraindications etc in a drug insert

sheet clearly says they can affect one another somehow?) . Good news is -

armed with what you have said, I can get her to try and investigate. The

GYN on the other hand will continue to flat out say - dunno - not my

field... only deal with all things GYN! I am due to see my GP very soon

and I will be going over this with her - so again - many thanks for a

direction to go in, to read about etc.

Regards

Duffy

On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:26 AM, ChuckB <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

> Duffy,

>

> You wrote:

> > Thanks so much for an explanation. So, given your explanation , would it

> be

> > best for me to reduce my one and a half Armour dose a bit during the

> > progesterone phase in order to keep the T3 from spiking? ...

>

> Yes, that is what I meant. I also agree with Roni, that you should

> discuss any such change with your physician.

>

> Mild hyperT (without overt symptoms) has hidden effects on the heart

> muscle and bone density, but that requires a chronic (greater than three

> months) exposure. The short term, acute effects you are experiencing can

> cause dangerous cardiac reactions. Besides being unpleasant, hyperT is

> not something with which to experiment casually.

>

> Chuck

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>