POVERTY. WAS: who pays here? Ins., Medicare??

[Guest guest]

I'm certainly not at the top either. The sad fact is that our present

system often punishes most those most deserving of our help and provides

the most " help " to those better able to take care of themselves except

for the entitlements liberals dangle before them.

Roni, I think I may have shared some of my history here; if so sorry for

the repetition:

1] I never lived in a house with running water until I was an adult;

2] I never lived in a house with a bathroom until I was an adult;

3] I lived in houses without electricity for much of my youth;

4] I never visited a dentist until I could earn the money to pay my bill;

5] As the result of [4] I have less than half of my natural teeth;

6] I watched my dad pull my grandmother's teeth with a pair of Klines

when I was a child. As a young adult I pulled my upper right wisdom

tooth with a pair of channel lock pliers;

7] I was the oldest child of an alcoholic share cropper, with 5

siblings. Months passed without meat on the table. I remember biscuits

made with lard, flour and water along with brown gravy made with lard,

flour and water for months on end for breakfast.

And on and on... Just to suggest that it's probably not necessary to

educate me about the negatives of poverty. Been there/done that.

Regards,

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> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

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> matchermaam <matchermaam>

>

>

> Thu Jan 6, 2011 12:41 pm (PST)

>

>

>

> Spoken by one who who is obviously not on the bottom of that system.

>

> <>Roni

> Immortality exists!

> It's called knowledge!

>

> Just because something isn't seen

> doesn't mean it's not there<>

>

>

>

> From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>>

> Subject: Re: who pays here? Ins., Medicare??

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 12:19 PM

>

> That's how it works except for the " fair number " . Federal and state

> govenments have so much clout that they can force compensation for some

> patients or procedures into a price that does not cover the cost of

> service to the provider. Note as Chuck pointed out where one state

> charges 5 times as much as another state for poorer coverage than the

> more economical one provides.

>

> When you limit the number of providers you make it easier for the

> lobbists, politicians and assorted crooks; because they can devote all

> of the shenanigans to just one or a few entities. When

> medicare/medicaid or any other organzition is throwing around billions

> of dollars you're going to attract the most proficient crooks. It's

> better to have a number of competitors so the benefit for a crooked

> politician is smaller from any one of them; and hopefully from a larger

> number some will be more honest than the rest.

>

> Rationing of medical services is consider bad. Unfortunately it will

> always exist; simply because we desire more medical services than we can

> possibly provide. With any kind of socialist system [whether it's the

> system in the UK or Obamacare doesn't matter] you will have bureaucrats

> making the decision as to who gets what. In a free market system you

> can at least have some input. It is perhaps unfortunate that the size

> of your bank account has an inordinate control over how much input you

> have; but it does at least give you some input. And it provides an

> incentive to increase your position to one of more control. That's

> capitalism and the free market system.

>

> Regards,

>

[Guest guest]

I did know your history. However, by whatever means you were able to use you

were able to build a life for yourself. There are millions of others though that

couldn't and can't. Illness, disability,

mental problems, abuse, etc impact way more lives than we would like to

acknowledge.

 

I've been out of the country and seen poverty that is way worse than here in the

states, but that still doesn't mean that everyone here is able to do what you

did. You are to be commended for your accomplishments, but that doesn't mean

that the ones that couldn't are to be demeaned.

 

Roni

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

>

> From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>>

> Subject: Re: who pays here? Ins., Medicare??

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 12:19 PM

>

> That's how it works except for the " fair number " .  Federal and state

> govenments have so much clout that they can force compensation for some

> patients or procedures into a price that does not cover the cost of

> service to the provider.  Note as Chuck pointed out where one state

> charges 5 times as much as another state for poorer coverage than the

> more economical one provides.

>

> When you limit the number of providers you make it easier for the

> lobbists, politicians and assorted crooks; because they can devote all

> of the shenanigans to just one or a few entities.  When

> medicare/medicaid or any other organzition is throwing around billions

> of dollars you're going to attract the most proficient crooks.  It's

> better to have a number of competitors so the benefit for a crooked

> politician is smaller from any one of them; and hopefully from a larger

> number some will be more honest than the rest.

>

> Rationing of medical services is consider bad.  Unfortunately it will

> always exist; simply because we desire more medical services than we can

> possibly provide.  With any kind of socialist system [whether it's the

> system in the UK or Obamacare doesn't matter] you will have bureaucrats

> making the decision as to who gets what.  In a free market system you

> can at least have some input.  It is perhaps unfortunate that the size

> of your bank account has an inordinate control over how much input you

> have; but it does at least give you some input.  And it provides an

> incentive to increase your position to one of more control.  That's

> capitalism and the free market system.

>

> Regards,

>

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[Guest guest]

Roni, I can say with the utmost sincerity that nothing I've ever written

has had the intent of demeaning you or anyone else who through no fault

of their own find themselves in dire straits. It happens, and deserves

our compassion and help. Further, if somehow I've given you the

impression that I'm even close to wealthy I'd like to correct that. My

income is from social security plus a pension which is a lot less than

that. One of my assets is my employee-paid health insurance, for which

I worked 37 years. My car [mini van] is over 10 years old with well

over 100,000 miles. I do live in a large house in an up-scale

neighborhood but it needs a lot of repairs [that I can't afford]; and

the mortgage consumes almost half of my after-tax income. Still my

situation is vastly greater than some/many, and I manage to eat out a

lot. An extravagance that I no doubt should eliminate; but I really

enjoy it.

There will always be those who fall through the cracks and cannot help

it, and we should help them. OTOH making any group of able-bodied

people into a welfare class is IMHO about the worst thing we can do to

them. Once any of us come to think that we are entitled to the fruits

of the efforts of others we tend to become pretty much useless in

providing for ourselves.

The steps for most people when they are young to take to avoid poverty

are well known:

1] Finish school; go to college if possible/practical;

2] Don't have kids until you are married and number one above is complete;

3] Get a job and keep it, at least until you can find something better.

4] Avoid debt for most things as much as possible; probably a mortgage

and car payment would be the exceptions...

That's just my list; I think others have different ones and that's okay.

I don't buy lottery tickets but I'd really like to win it. I know of so

many people and causes where a few thousand dollars could make such a

difference in people's lives.

Regards,

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>

> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

>

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> matchermaam <matchermaam>

>

>

> Fri Jan 7, 2011 8:22 pm (PST)

>

>

>

> I did know your history. However, by whatever means you were able to

> use you were able to build a life for yourself. There are millions of

> others though that couldn't and can't. Illness, disability,

> mental problems, abuse, etc impact way more lives than we would like

> to acknowledge.

>

> I've been out of the country and seen poverty that is way worse than

> here in the states, but that still doesn't mean that everyone here is

> able to do what you did. You are to be commended for your

> accomplishments, but that doesn't mean that the ones that couldn't are

> to be demeaned.

>

> Roni

>

> <>Roni

> Immortality exists!

> It's called knowledge!

>

> Just because something isn't seen

> doesn't mean it's not there<>

>

>

>

> From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>>

> Subject: POVERTY. WAS: who pays here? Ins., Medicare??

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>, " JAMES " <res075oh@...

> <mailto:res075oh%40gte.net>>

> Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 3:46 PM

>

> I'm certainly not at the top either. The sad fact is that our present

> system often punishes most those most deserving of our help and provides

> the most " help " to those better able to take care of themselves except

> for the entitlements liberals dangle before them.

>

> Roni, I think I may have shared some of my history here; if so sorry for

> the repetition:

>

> 1] I never lived in a house with running water until I was an adult;

> 2] I never lived in a house with a bathroom until I was an adult;

> 3] I lived in houses without electricity for much of my youth;

> 4] I never visited a dentist until I could earn the money to pay my bill;

> 5] As the result of [4] I have less than half of my natural teeth;

> 6] I watched my dad pull my grandmother'

> s teeth with a pair of Klines

> when I was a child. As a young adult I pulled my upper right wisdom

> tooth with a pair of channel lock pliers;

> 7] I was the oldest child of an alcoholic share cropper, with 5

> siblings. Months passed without meat on the table. I remember biscuits

> made with lard, flour and water along with brown gravy made with lard,

> flour and water for months on end for breakfast.

>

> And on and on... Just to suggest that it's probably not necessary to

> educate me about the negatives of poverty. Been there/done that.

>

> Regards,

>

> .

[Guest guest]

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

>

> From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>>

> Subject: POVERTY. WAS: who pays here? Ins., Medicare??

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>, " JAMES " <res075oh@...

> <mailto:res075oh%40gte.net>>

> Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 3:46 PM

>

> I'm certainly not at the top either.  The sad fact is that our present

> system often punishes most those most deserving of our help and provides

> the most " help " to those better able to take care of themselves except

> for the entitlements liberals dangle before them.

>

> Roni, I think I may have shared some of my history here; if so sorry for

> the repetition:

>

> 1]  I never lived in a house with running water until I was an adult;

> 2]  I never lived in a house with a bathroom until I was an adult;

> 3]  I lived in houses without electricity for much of my youth;

> 4]  I never visited a dentist until I could earn the money to pay my bill;

> 5]  As the result of [4] I have less than half of my natural teeth;

> 6]  I watched my dad pull my grandmother'

> s teeth with a pair of Klines

> when I was a child.  As a young adult I pulled my upper right wisdom

> tooth with a pair of channel lock pliers;

> 7]  I was the oldest child of an alcoholic share cropper, with 5

> siblings.  Months passed without meat on the table.  I remember biscuits

> made with lard, flour and water along with brown gravy made with lard,

> flour and water for months on end for breakfast.

>

> And on and on...  Just to suggest that it's probably not necessary to

> educate me about the negatives of poverty.  Been there/done that.

>

> Regards,

>

> .

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