Homeopathy

[Guest guest]

Hello,

I've read over the thread of letters on homeopathy treatment along with or maybe

in place of traditional medical treatment. I was at a forum last week where a

panel of four specialists who

treat OCD in children presented information on many topics and answered

questions from the audience. When it ended each doctor gave a closing statement.

One doctor's statement dealt with

parents seeking alternative treatments. He first said that parents have to be

taken more seriously, that they are the one's in the trenches witnessing the

effects and dealing with the

everyday battles of OCD in their children. At times parents will go through

periods where the gravity of immediate help cannot or seems not to be relieved

by the standard medical course. It

becomes easy at this time to look at the alternatives. It may be true that some

other treatments may be of benefit. But when our child's health could be at risk

caution must be exercised

especially when combinations of SSRI's and alternative 'medicines' are used

together.

I believe at times it is the communication and expectations between the doctors

and parents of children with OCD that become the catalyst of frustration.

Doctors need to be open to listen

seriously to absolutely all information and concerns a parent brings forward.

And parents need to become more aware about their child's OCD, the treatments

and the realistic outcomes of

treatment.

I know through our own families experience not everything fits into such a

perfect scenario. That we can expect things to go bad and even well .... life's

like that :-)

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/2/1999 7:40:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,

rhbailey@... writes:

<<

Another thing that worried me in my daughter's case--aside from the

homeopathy-related hyperacusis--is that once she had started a couple of

remedies, she got worse when she tried to go off them. It also worried me

when Clement said she'd learned that the Nux vomica she was taking

had strychnine in it. My daughter was taking that one.

>>

Dear Sue,

You shouldn't worry about anything that homeopathics contain as though, they

may well be made from those ingredients, when they are finished, they are

diluted so much that even a chemist cannot find the original things used to

make it. Thats part of how homeopathy is made and that is why the outcry

over how the companies can legally sell " virtual alcohol " . Literally the

stronger the dose, the more its diluted. Many homeopathics are made from

things like arsenic and poisonous flowers like belladonna. There really is

no need for concern it you buy them from a reputable company.

[Guest guest]

Homeopathy is the study of " like cures like " , or very literally it is the

study of " similars " . It's aim is to stimulate the body's innate healing

capacity to bring aobut a " cure " . It does not " cure " (like allopathic meds),

it helps the body to cure itself. How it works is like this:

Take a medicine, such as quinine. It is used to cure malaria. In it's

natural form, it causes the same symptoms as malaria. However, " potentize "

ir or dilute it and shake it - and it has the opposite effect. Additionally,

the original molecules which made the substance " poisonous " to begin with no

longer exist, and all homeopathic remedies are safe for this reason. So, for

instance, if your child has a cold or is teething and the symptoms resemble

those of belladonna poisoning, you would give your child the remedy

belladonna.

Hope this helps.

Carol

[Guest guest]

M. Louis,

Hello and thank you for writing about your experience with Homeopathy. I

have just recently started to take it seriously and maybe consider it. Can

you tell me what types of things you have used it for and which problems its

helped with and which problems it didn't help at all? For instance, have you

used it for candida? Also, the main reason I wanted to try it is to have it

help in " jump starting " my immune system. My immune system just feels like

it kind of fell asleep on me and it isn't fighting candida, parasites, etc

correctly. Thank you,

[Guest guest]

.. Louis

why do you think so highly of homopathy if it has helped so little with you CFS?

Steve

[Guest guest]

I like your optimism -- I hope you keep it.

Steve

" M. Louis Hanson " wrote:

> Apparently you didn't read my message carefully. I has helped.

> I also think that it has the potential to cure with the right remedies

> and potencies.

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> M. Louis

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> you CFS?

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[Guest guest]

Apparently you didn't read my message carefully. I has helped.

I also think that it has the potential to cure with the right remedies

and potencies.

M. Louis

Re: Homeopathy

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> . Louis

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> why do you think so highly of homopathy if it has helped so little with

you CFS?

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[Guest guest]

Sheri,

I have had migraines so bad that they thought I was having a stroke.

What kinda of treatment does a homeopath use?

At this point I am willing to trying anything!

Do you know why migraines start?

The neurologists have not been to much help, I will not take any meds while

nursing.

I never have used medicine because I have been healthy.

I get left sided numbness and shooting pain, my whole body literally

collapses.

In the past year I have been in the hospital 3 times for a week with Physical

therapy.

Staying away from chocolate has helped, but there are days well you probably

know.

Please email me privately :doshiwoo297@...

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Hello all -

I'm rejoining this list after a few months of

inactivity and have been lurking for a few days. I'm

interested in the discussion of homeopathy from

personal experience so thought I'd join in.

I've had CFS/FM for nine years, just diagnosed in

1998, and after three tries of going back to work I

finally applied for SSDI in May. I was awarded

benefits as of September 1, so I'm " retired " at age 42

while I devote myself full time to healing. I've been

seeing an internist for two years in San Francisco who

has been wonderful to work with, as well as

instrumental in getting my benefits approved on the

first try. I've been treated for hypothyroidism,

adrenal burnout, candidiasis, IBS, low blood sugar,

high cholesterol and lyme disease, and most of my

symptoms have improved other than the fatigue and pain

of CFS/FM.

So I have been seeing a certified classical homeopath

(CCH), and I think the remedies she is giving me have

made a big difference in my overall constitution. I'm

not well yet - far from it - but my symptom list is

down to the big two (fatigue and pain) from about 20.

If you want more details on what I'm using let me

know. But I agree with Hud - the way to go is working

with a CCH to determine what your best individual

remedy is.

My two cents - Jennie in SF

--- Hud Ramelan <hudr@...> wrote:

> on 11/06/00 12:20 AM, squirel at

> squirel@... wrote:

>

snip

> Anyhow, we still don't understand how homeopathy

> works. And I really doubt

> that Drs. Chapman and had cracked the code

> with their biochemic

> theory.

>

> My main point is that cell salts are really

> homeopathic remedies, which work

> by the same principles as other homeopathic

> remedies. From what I know of

> homeopathy, higher potencies are both more effective

> and safer. I believe

> that 30x should be considered the best starting

> place, in terms of low

> potency. With 6x potency one risks starting to

> 'prove' the remedy, rather

> than clear symptoms with it. If nat sulph works for

> you, perhaps 30 c might

> be a more appropriate potency to be using.

>

snip

> I also have found homeopathic remedies to be

> effective for migraine and

> extreme constipation. However, the lowest I'll use

> is 30x. I believe CFS

> can be cured with homeopathy--but only at the hand

> of a skilled homeopath

> who's capable of determining one's constitutional

> remedy, and who's

> experienced with using the millesimal potencies.

>

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[Guest guest]

I have had some success in the past from Dertified Classical Homeopath (CCH)

also. Remember to check your meds for any mint flavoring...I blew on

homeopathic remedy with a generic zantac that was mint flavored.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/5/00 7:42:46 PM PST, chitra76@... writes:

<< I'm presently trying homeopathy and keeping surgery an option for

later as this group gives a lot of info about surgery as well as a

positive response about it. >>

Hi Chitra,

I am also interested in finding some alternatives to surgery, I had a

dilation done last month and it helped but I feel not enough. So any info you

can share would be appreciated. Take Care,

Diane

[Guest guest]

Sheri,

This is the response I got about homeopaths in Milwaukee.

L.

homeopathyDate: Sat, Jan 20, 2001, 6:13 PM

I got your email off a vaccination list that I'm on. I am looking for a good homeopath in the Milwaukee area. Just wondering if you knew any. I am currently going to Dr. Sweeney who is a family practitioner and uses homeopathy. Lucaslucasjt@... <mailto:lucasjt@...> "In time and with water, everything changes." Leonardo da Vinci

[Guest guest]

At 11:10 AM 01/29/2001 EST, you wrote:

>has anyone come accross the work of dr tunis smits who uses homeopathy to

>prevent and treat 'post vaccination syndrome'.

>

>his website can be found at:

>http://www.tinussmits.nl/english/dynamic.htm?main=pvs/dynamic.htm?main1=htt

p:/

>

>/www.tinussmits.nl/english/pvs/intro.htm

>

>i would love to hear if anyone has used these remedies in a preventive way.

>you could email me privately if you like, cobba10@...

>

>kim

Hi Kim,

I have studied homeopathy for 20 years informally and one year formally.

All the homeopaths I know and trust do not believe you can guarantee safety

taking vaccines if you take certain homeopathic remedies before and after.

It is a dangerous gamble. Most classical homeopaths that I know and what

I've studied shows vaccines to be extremely dangerous to the vital force of

the person.

In my experience, learning and by example I have been show that the best

way to practice homeopathy is according to its principles.

I've written a short article demonstrating some of this

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

Sometimes by giving the same remedy as the vaccine, you see results. But

often it is a remedy not at all related to the vaccine.

There are 2 homeopaths on this list who also may want to answer

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At 11:10 AM 01/29/2001 EST, you wrote:

>has anyone come accross the work of dr tunis smits who uses homeopathy

to

>prevent and treat 'post vaccination syndrome'.

Hi Kim,

If vaccines don't work (isn't that part of what we try to promote on

this list), the homeopathic form of vaccines as a preventative won't

work either.

I am well aware of the work of Dr. Tinus Smits. What he does in many

cases (but not in all): if he suspects that the health problems are

related to vaccines, he will give the homeopathic form of those

vaccines. Tinus has had some good results with this method, but he looks

as well for the simillimum–the most similar remedy for the person. In

some cases he gives the simillimum, in other cases he gives the

potentized vaccine, I suspect he does that if the symptom picture

doesn't clearly point to a remedy. Giving the same substance that made

you ill in homeopathic form is called isopathy (iso=the same;

homeo=similar). There are good results with isopathy, but not in all

cases. It is like giving crotalus horridus for the bite of a rattle

snake (crotalus-h is made from the venom of a rattle snake), or rhus

toxicodendron for poison ivy.

The only way I see that homeopathic remedies made from the vaccines

could work preventative is if you decide to vaccinate and you give the

homeopathic form of the vaccine at the same time.

That sounds to me like taking a poison and taking the antidote at the

same time. What do you want to prove?

Jan

--

Jan F. Lips, DHOM, HMC

Calgary Centre for Homeopathy

Calgary, Alberta

Canada

[Guest guest]

Homeopathy is a holistic form of medicine. It addresses the physical, emotional and mental aspects of people.

www.homeopathic.org

www.homeopathcenter.com

www.billgrayhomeopathy.com

Lee

Craig & Weavers <cew@...> wrote: It had never occured to either of us that homeopathy could be beneficial in this situation. Thank you, however. It sounds like it might be worth looking into. Do the homeopathic remedies address the emotional or just the physical aspect of any conditions?

[Guest guest]

, you said, " Back to homeopathy. Generally, the incorrect remedy

shouldn't cause a reaction. However, die-hard classic homepaths disagree, I

think. " Again, I am no expert either, but it is my understanding that the

incorrect remedy should/could cause the symptoms you are trying to deal with

if it is the wrong remedy. That is not exactly a reaction, but it means

people should not be cavalier about the use of homeopathics. Sandy from

Alaska

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My homeopath said that if you took your remedy to a lab, all they can

detedct is the sugar and milk(or alcohol,whatever). But taken to a

specialized lab, it can detect the signature energy from the

ingredient(belladidonna or whatever). Did that make sense? And for you in

Ohio, there is a class,conference something about homeopathy scheduled in

Oct in Independence. I will post more after I get back from my appt.

tomorrow.

Laurie<Oh

boldml@...

" The decision to have a child is to accept that your heart will forever walk

about outside of your body. " Katharine Hadley

[Guest guest]

Hello Jennie,

I havn't been following this thread , but are you using the classic form of

homeopathy.(1 remedy) My homeopath combines remidies, and I find this to be

extremely helpful. I use it on a daily basics, sometimes more than once a

day, and

use no allopathic medicines... Only other things used are suppliments and

good nutrition, targeting a high lysine diet, to retard a herpes virus...As I

beleive CFS is herpes driven...

Respectfully

Don

[Guest guest]

Thanks to those who responded to my question about

combining allopathic and homeopathic protocols. I

think since I've given homeopathy 18 months and very

little seems to be happening, I may discontinue it.

However, it's not very expensive - I only go four

times a year - and doesn't seem to be harmful, so I

may decide to keep it up. And it can't hurt to try to

reduce my med dosages on a controlled basis to see how

my symptoms do.

Just felt really confused and frustrated yesterday!

Best, Jennie

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/10/2002 1:23:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,

jfloyd123@... writes:

> Don - You asked if I am using classical single remedy

> homeopathy and the answer is yes. In the past I used

> about one a month with my other homeopath when I lived

> in New Jersey (I'm in CA now) and I believe this

> worked better for me. But this CCH (certified

> classical homeopath) relies mostly on the long-acting

> nosode remedies for deep-rooted problems.

>

> Best to all - Jennie F.

>

>

Interesting Jennie,

My homeopath/naturalpath, also is from NJ, but prefers combining remedies,

although he has used single dose remeidies. Unlike the way you take your

remedy, I take mine at about every 4 hrs or there abouts. I even have taken

two different sets of remedies every two hrs apart. He uses the LM dosing.

Very gentle, no reactions that way...

I want to tell you, my philosphy is, I am from Misouri show me, when I first

started using homeopathy. I want to tell you, it really works. I swear by it

now...

I understand the Royal Family in England uses homeopathy as well.. Thats were

my Dr gets his remidies, from England, although he has somewhat his own

homeopath pharmacy in his basement...

Respectfully,

Don

[Guest guest]

- I'm so glad the homeopathy is working for you.

I have noticed improvements too, but my energy level

remains low and I still have to sleep up to 14 hours

per day. Thanks for your comments - I was just having

a really bad fit of self-pity and doubt about my

treatments when I wrote my first note.

Don - You asked if I am using classical single remedy

homeopathy and the answer is yes. In the past I used

about one a month with my other homeopath when I lived

in New Jersey (I'm in CA now) and I believe this

worked better for me. But this CCH (certified

classical homeopath) relies mostly on the long-acting

nosode remedies for deep-rooted problems.

Best to all - Jennie F.

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[Guest guest]

HI Don

> use no allopathic medicines... Only other things used are supplements and

> good nutrition, targeting a high lysine diet, to retard a herpes

virus...As I

> believe CFS is herpes driven...

>

please could you give more details about

> > good nutrition, targeting a high lysine diet, to retard a herpes

virus>>?

I have also CFS EBV and CMV driven ,

and which supplts do you take

thank you very much

elena

Re: re: Homeopathy

> Hello Jennie,

>

> I havn't been following this thread , but are you using the classic form

of

> homeopathy.(1 remedy) My homeopath combines remidies, and I find this to

be

> extremely helpful. I use it on a daily basics, sometimes more than once a

> day, and

> use no allopathic medicines... Only other things used are suppliments and

> good nutrition, targeting a high lysine diet, to retard a herpes

virus...As I

> beleive CFS is herpes driven...

>

> Respectfully

> Don

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

where do you get tested for cmv and these herpe virus?

also can lysine stope all herpes virusrs? my

biochemist put me on some hoeopathic liquid call

lithium he say it helps digestion i cant find info on

it on comp do you no much about it? can olive leafe

extract help?

--- dominique <solisima@...> wrote:

> HI Don

>

> > use no allopathic medicines... Only other things

> used are supplements and

> > good nutrition, targeting a high lysine diet, to

> retard a herpes

> virus...As I

> > believe CFS is herpes driven...

> >

> please could you give more details about

> > > good nutrition, targeting a high lysine diet, to

> retard a herpes

> virus>>?

>

> I have also CFS EBV and CMV driven ,

>

> and which supplts do you take

> thank you very much

> elena

>

> Re: re: Homeopathy

>

>

> > Hello Jennie,

> >

> > I havn't been following this thread , but are you

> using the classic form

> of

> > homeopathy.(1 remedy) My homeopath combines

> remidies, and I find this to

> be

> > extremely helpful. I use it on a daily basics,

> sometimes more than once a

> > day, and

> > use no allopathic medicines... Only other things

> used are suppliments and

> > good nutrition, targeting a high lysine diet, to

> retard a herpes

> virus...As I

> > beleive CFS is herpes driven...

> >

> > Respectfully

> > Don

> >

> > This list is intended for patients to share

> personal experiences with each

> other, not to give medical advice. If you are

> interested in any treatment

> discussed here, please consult your doctor.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/12/2002 11:27:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,

cuteangel54321@... writes:

> where do you get tested for cmv and these herpe virus?

>

Any medical DR can have you tested for CMV...

also can lysine stope all herpes virusrs?

Lysine retards herpes. Lots of people use it as a suppliment, however my

naturalpath /homeopath does not beleive to use a amino acid by itself. You

can however use unsalted butter, and find it to be very beneficial. Also you

need to know arginine, another amino acid, can replicate herpes.

my

biochemist put me on some hoeopathic liquid call

lithium he say it helps digestion

You may want to go to this site, its about what lithium is used

for...http://www.miminc.org/

please could you give more details about

> > > good nutrition, targeting a high lysine diet, to

> retard a herpes

> virus>>?

Protein is very important for a high Lysine diet, however we have a hard time

digesting , so therefore I suggest you consider using a digestive enzyme. I

was using Standard Process Zypan, and later began to use Pancreatrophin PMG.

Also you need to put the freindly bacteria into the gut , so also consider

using some form of probiotics...

I have tried many different diets, and what seems to work the best for me

is,a high protein diet consisting of meat, fish, turkey, and chicken. Also

use lots of butter with your diet. I should mention you will want to avoid por

k products, as it has a high ratio of arginine which replicates herpes. You

may want to hunt down a book titled, juicing for life, authors Cherie Calborn

and Maureen Keane both nutritionists and JefferyBland PHD nutritional

biochemist.There is a very good section in the book that talks about a herpes

diet , the does and donts.In addition you may want to surf the web, and see

what you can find on herpes diets.

Another consideration is we have alot of toxic build up, and that has to be

addressed. I use 2X on a daily bascis, a drink that consists of Sonnes # 7 3

tablespoons and Sonnes # 9 1 teaspoon. Pour ingredients into some organic

apple juice and water and blend...

One needs to also consider staying away from SUGAR, as it feeds the virus and

supresses the immune system. This SUGAR thing can get pretty tricky, so watch

to see its not added to things you eat, including fruits which has lots of

natural sugar..

I suggest you seek out a " good " professional naturalpath/homeopath DR , if you

fill you want to use a alternative means of health care. Treating CFS is

complex , and they are best suited for it, as I am only touching the surface,

in some of the things I have described here.

Here is another post I recently responded to,that you may find interesting.

In a message dated 1/12/2002 3:59:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,

playpup@... writes:

> Additionally, besides the brain wave amplitute abnomalities

> (Delta/Theta), my brain simply is not powering up. (Think of a dead

> car battery) When it does power up, it doesn't power up in the right

> place in the brain, and doesn't power up at the right speed.

> Apparently this is typical of CFIDS Brain Functionaly

Hello Alll,

Speaking of a dead car battery. I have a little story. I began taking a

suppliment by Stanard Process called Paraplex. It has in it bovine

pituitary,thyroid, adrenal,and pancreas extract. The first few days I began

to fill as if I had a boost, improving (stronger). Then all hell broke out.

It was as, what ever infection was inside of me, was being brought out into

the system. It felt like what we are suffering from (virus) was being stored

in the liver, because that is where I felt it. A manifistation of clear

mucous began to the point where you could fill the digestive tract becoming

backed up. In addition it became difficult breathing due to the clear mucos.

Called the Dr and explained, was told to continue with paraplex. then the

more I took of it, I felt I wanted to vomit, and also it made me fill, as if

I was going to have a convulsion. At this point I stopped taking the

suppliment. The Dr began to explain to me, that I should understand, what he

was trying to do, was jump start a dead battery. Well I was down for about 3

months from this, and pissed off as hell at the Dr, but I have to tell you

folks, I began to get better, like never before. He explained to me, that

with a week endrocrine system, you cant have a strong immune system.

I personally beleive CFS is driven by a herpes virus, and there is nothing

known to man that kills herpes. However a strong immune system keeps it in

check, and when the virus is active in our systems, it seems we just cant

build the immune system up enough to reverse this scenario. Short of jumping

starting the battery. I must say it wasnt a pleasant experience to have gone

through, and knowing what I experienced in that 3 month period, I certainally

would not want to go through it again.I do have to say though, I

signifigantly improved... Just my experiences and thoughts.

Today we have a organic farm, raising grass fed beef, free range chickens and

eggs, as well as, vegies and herbs and topical fruits and citrus. I might add

that no expense is spared when it comes to producing what we do. For example

what goes in the water of all live stock is as follows; organic apple cyder

vinegar, liquid trace minerals, H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide) black strap molasses

and red beet crystals. (No need for antibiotics or steroids or wormers). In

addition we add kelp to the feed. Our soil is enriched also with no expense

spared and produce what I like to call high test vegies and herbs as well as

the fruit and citrus. My naturalpath Dr told me along time ago, that only

through high quality food can one get healthy and stay healthy. He also told

me people will seek you out, producing this kind of food. He was 100% wright.

Needless to say he is my mentor.

Respectfully,

Don

[Guest guest]

yes i had a similar experience with my 9 yr old jumping on the trampoline bit

her tounge really bad a few drops of a remedy and she was much better and in

a couple hours the tounge was sealed. And with my dd and her pertussis 3 days

on teh remedy and her cough was GONE I remeber calling my homeopath scared

cause she hadnt coughed lol

AMy

ohio

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