Homeopathy

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I know Malissa!!!! I did the same with my lil one a few days ago!

I gave only one tablet/pillule and same effect!

AMAZING HUH?!?!??

I also had to give her a remedy for earache the other night. Poor lamb was

crying so hard with pain.,.:-( 10 minutes after giving her the remedy, she feel

asleep peacefully in my arms and slept all night. When she woke this morning,

she was absolutely fine! No earache or anything! All Im saying lately

is......wow, LOL!

:-D

Suzanne

dd Ruby 2.7yrs

South Wales

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I haven't had any luck with homeopathy. I really don't think it

can work on the chronically ill. Just my opinion.

> I'd like to hear any experiences, positive or negative, with

homeopathy and

> CFIDS from people who have seen trained homeopaths. Specifically,

I would

> like to know if it helped with specific symptoms, if it helped more

at

> specific stages of illness, and if anyone had adverse reactions. I

would

> especially like to hear from any long-term, bedbound or homebound

sickies who

> have tried it, and also from any who have found it to be helpful

for severe

> chemical sensitivities. My doctor is suggesting it to me again,

and I sort

> of think of it as a waste of time, but my main concern is that I

don't want

> to try anything that has any potential for adverse reactions. So,

I'm just

> gathering general thoughts and feedback.

>

> Peggy

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Peggy,

I was treated for my ME/CFIDS some years ago by a fully trained

Homoeopathic Doctor, that is a Medical Doctor who had pursued further

training to cover Homoeopathy as an additional therapy.

My initial consultation lasted for about an hour, most of which

was used to answer questions about myself and my illness. At the end of the

hour, I was prescribed and given a Homoeopathic Drug to be taken as three

large tablets to be sucked at equally spaced intervals on the first day

only. This was then followed by a daily tablet, again to be sucked rather

than swallowed.

For the first two weeks after taking the medicine, I felt worse,

but I persisted with the therapy. After the second week, I started to feel

better. This continued for seven months where I felt a little better each

week, but occasionally needed a higher potency homoeopathic booster of the

same type.

The use of Homoeopathy only ended when I suffered from a

secondary acute viral infection. At that point I had a relapse that took

several weeks for full recovery. From that point onwards, further progress

with Homoeopathy failed, but the benefit and progress gained has never been

lost.

I have also been treated by a Homoeopathic Doctor for my

Hayfever, and once again this was successful. In fact it was so successful

that I went all the way through last summer without needing any

antihistamines or other medicine that I would normally need for treating my

Hayfever.

I can only recommend that you see a Homoeopathic Doctor rather

than a Homoeopath. This will ensure that any other complicating medical

factors can be detected and dealt with.

Regards,

Andy

Homeopathy

> I'd like to hear any experiences, positive or negative, with homeopathy

and

> CFIDS from people who have seen trained homeopaths. Specifically, I would

> like to know if it helped with specific symptoms, if it helped more at

> specific stages of illness, and if anyone had adverse reactions. I would

> especially like to hear from any long-term, bedbound or homebound sickies

who

> have tried it, and also from any who have found it to be helpful for

severe

> chemical sensitivities. My doctor is suggesting it to me again, and I

sort

> of think of it as a waste of time, but my main concern is that I don't

want

> to try anything that has any potential for adverse reactions. So, I'm

just

> gathering general thoughts and feedback.

>

> Peggy

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

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Hi all -

As I have written here before, I have been using

homeopathic nosode remedies since August of 2000. I

think at first I improved a great deal from things

like chronic infections and yeast, but now after 18

months or so, I am not noticing any improvement. I

believe it has helped me up to a point but I'm not

sure if it will do any more good. I'm seeing my

homeopath next month for another round of nosodes,and

if I don't notice a change this time I'm going to stop

seeing her. I go once every three months at $120 each

time, and it is not covered by my current insurance,

although Blue Cross did cover it.

Best, Jennie

> 18. Re: Homeopathy

> From: " banitnit " <skyqtee@...>

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[Guest guest]

Just give it time! Talk to your homeopath!

A cold is a good sign

2 weeks is NOTHING

At 07:27 PM 04/25/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>So I wonder if this is a fluke or what. I saw my new homeopath 2 weeks

ago and he gave me a constitutional remedy. He said to expect some of my

things to possibly aggrevate (acne, asthma, allergies) but I should notice

a positive change in my disposition. Well I didn't notice anything

significant in my mood good or bad but came down with a cold about a week

later. I guess I was hoping for this " miracle " cure. Should I give it

more time??? I also can't find much written about my remedy. It's

carcinosin.

>

> L.

>Proud mom to Autumn 1-13-97 & Zoe 8-8-00

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I tried some homeopathic remedies with my physician, who is also a homeopath.

The first remedy did nothing, and the second made me much sicker for a

couple of weeks (which the doctor said was good). Then when I finally did an

antidote to end the continuing adverse reaction, I ended up in the hospital a

day later with a very high fever, inflamed appendix/colon (they weren't sure

which was inflamed from the scans I had, and wanted to admit me for a couple

of days for observation but I left), and other extreme symptoms. I couldn't

eat any solid food for quite a while. I was so incredibly sick. Only a few

other times in the ten years I have had CFIDS have I felt so close to dying.

I'm not sure if it was because of the homeopathy, but it did seem related

since the worsening came after the treatment, and then got much worse

immediately after I did the antidote.

Also, after my dog was over-vaccinated due to a negligent mistake by my

helper who takes him to the vet, my homeopath gave me some remedies for my

dog. My dog took the remedies in late June and in July. A month ago he was

diagnosed with bone cancer. I'm pretty sure the cancer was caused by the

vaccinations, but the homeopathy didn't help the situation either and could

have made it worse.

So, take it for what it is -- I can only say that my own experience with

homeopathy didn't exactly blow me away, even though I have the utmost respect

for the physician who treated me.

Peggy

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Peggy,

I'm orry to hear about your bad reaction to homeopathy, and your dog

dying of cancer. That's sad.

I am surprised that homeopathy would make you sick though. It's known

for either helping or being neutral. Do you remeber what remedies you

were given?

Tracey

Peggomatic@... wrote:

> I tried some homeopathic remedies with my physician, who is also a

> homeopath.

> The first remedy did nothing, and the second made me much sicker for a

>

> couple of weeks (which the doctor said was good). Then when I finally

> did an

> antidote to end the continuing adverse reaction, I ended up in the

> hospital a

> day later with a very high fever, inflamed appendix/colon (they

> weren't sure

> which was inflamed from the scans I had, and wanted to admit me for a

> couple

> of days for observation but I left), and other extreme symptoms. I

> couldn't

> eat any solid food for quite a while. I was so incredibly sick. Only

> a few

> other times in the ten years I have had CFIDS have I felt so close to

> dying.

> I'm not sure if it was because of the homeopathy, but it did seem

> related

> since the worsening came after the treatment, and then got much worse

> immediately after I did the antidote.

>

> Also, after my dog was over-vaccinated due to a negligent mistake by

> my

> helper who takes him to the vet, my homeopath gave me some remedies

> for my

> dog. My dog took the remedies in late June and in July. A month ago

> he was

> diagnosed with bone cancer. I'm pretty sure the cancer was caused by

> the

> vaccinations, but the homeopathy didn't help the situation either and

> could

> have made it worse.

>

> So, take it for what it is -- I can only say that my own experience

> with

> homeopathy didn't exactly blow me away, even though I have the utmost

> respect

> for the physician who treated me.

>

> Peggy

>

> *********************************

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>

>

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Hi and All,

, what was the liver detox remedy that

you took?

Thanks,

Mike

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Hello all -

I just wanted to recount that I have had great results

over the last two years with homeopathy. My homey

takes a detailed inventory of my symptoms and what is

going on in my life, and then very carefully chooses a

remedy and starts with a low potency and moves higher

very slowly, 3-6 months apart. If you don't get

results with a remedy, it probably means you were

prescribed the wrong remedy. Sounds like Peggy had a

bad practicitioner but I think the fundamentals are

sound - they have certainly helped my symptoms. I am

to the point now using a combination of prescription

drugs, supplements, homeopathy, and a six-month course

of alpha interferon, I am now looking for full time

work so I can do a trial return to work with SSDI. I

have been sick since 1991 and off work since 1998, so

this is a huge deal for me.

Anyway, just my two cents - thanks, Jennie

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Hi Jennie/All:

Jennie,thanks for posting. So glad you are doing better.

Though that you/list may find this web site that my husband found

interesting/helpful. www.abchomeopathy.com

I too, with a Homeopath, have had bad experiences with Homeopathy so

am not ready to try.

best,

lea

> Hello all -

> I just wanted to recount that I have had great results

> over the last two years with homeopathy. My homey

> takes a detailed inventory of my symptoms and what is

> going on in my life, and then very carefully chooses a

> remedy and starts with a low potency and moves higher

> very slowly, 3-6 months apart. If you don't get

> results with a remedy, it probably means you were

> prescribed the wrong remedy. Sounds like Peggy had a

> bad practicitioner but I think the fundamentals are

> sound - they have certainly helped my symptoms. I am

> to the point now using a combination of prescription

> drugs, supplements, homeopathy, and a six-month course

> of alpha interferon, I am now looking for full time

> work so I can do a trial return to work with SSDI. I

> have been sick since 1991 and off work since 1998, so

> this is a huge deal for me.

>

>

> Anyway, just my two cents - thanks, Jennie

>

>

[Guest guest]

I purchased

a 14 video homeopathy course taught by Dr from Bill Cunningham @ White

Dove.  It provides a foundation in

homeopathy and is excellent for understanding some of the combination remedies

that Dr. developed and how and when to use them.  Some of the videos were very informative and

some were less so.  I think the cost was

$1,000.

After my

training with Bill Cunningham, I started using NV and have given them to my

family and clients.  The results have

been very good.  You may want to contact

Bill to get more details on the NV.   

Harman

homeopathy

Hi Group, I am interested in taking a

certification class in homeopathy. I did take an intro class in my

Naturopathy training and am clear that I do not want to learn homeopathy by

dissecting the traditional homeopathy texts and spending laborious hours trying

to figure someone out. Does anyone know of a good class on homeopathy

that I can take, and also use with the qx? I live in Southern California and am

open to web based learning or local classes. I have just begun my search

and thought that someone on this forum would have excellent advice!

Also, what homeo products work best? Took some Heil seminars -

eh! Maybe Dolosis? Have taken some Apex Energetics classes and they seem

good, but not detailed in specific homeo remedies. You can email me

off-group if you want. nankin@...

Not really acquainted with NV homeopathics, and would like input

on this as well. Thanks for your support - its greatly appreciated!

Savinelli, Naturopath

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I would think it is safe heck i have been using it and my baby is 3. I also

use homeopath on her as well. MAybe if Phyliss sees this (my homeopath) she

will shed some insite.

But i dont think she would give me anything to hurt my baby KWIM.

Amy

DId you know ?

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sorry i didnt realize she was askinga bout Back remedies I misread the post I

thought you were asking about homeopathy. I went back and read it again. I

dont kow much about back remedies either but sure some one here does

Amy

DId you know ?

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At 12:03 PM 12/21/2003 -0800, you wrote:

>Hi all,

>

>I apologise as I know that this is TOTALLY off topic,

>but I thought that the anti-vac group would also be

>into homeopathy.

>

>It's getting close to the holidays and my relatives

>are upon us. My bach's rescue remedy says it's not

>suitable for breastfeeding women. Is this true? Why

>not? Any alternatives???

>

>Help!

>

>(I promise not to post off-topic again.)

>

>

Yes, I am a homeopath and there are 2 or 3 others and many interested and

use it here

Bach Flower remedies are not homeopathy, but..........

I don't know why Bach Flower remedy wouldn't be ok for pregnant

women.....other than the tiny bit of alcohol.

But not an expert in them.............doesn't make sense to me though

Seems like you might really need it then!

Sheri

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Tamara wrote:

> I just started seeing a homeopath, who gave me something to take, I

> never saw one before.

Hi Tamara,

A good homeopath can change your life, mine keeps me alive. I am also

a homeopath and have chosen to specialize in veterinary homeopathy.

I also teach homeopathy for British Institute of London, so if you have

questions feel free to fire away :-)

> Apparently you have to be careful not to take anything that could

> cancel out the homeopathy... no mint, no menthol, no essential

> oils...My lip balm has peppermint, now I have to find an unflavored

> brand...

Sometimes a strong flavour will antidote a homeopathic remedy so it is

safer to avoid them and let your matched remedy work better. Sometimes

it does not antidote. Each remedy is susceptible to specific types of

antidote (listed in the references we use) though things like camphor

and mints can antidote most remedies.

One remedy I took some time ago was antidoted by ginger and as I love

ginger I kept forgetting to leave it out - and I could feel the

difference as it antidoted.

> I started wondering if any vitamin or mineral supplements could cancel

> out the homeopathy.

It has happened but way too rarely to care about. Herbs are more likely

to have an effect as many are strong flavoured or strong scented and

that's what does it. A lot depends how well the remedy is matched to

your needs. The closer the match, the less likely it is to antidote.

> I'm goiing to look in the library for a book on homeopathy, maybe that

> wil explain more.

I am surprised how few books explain it well. The little book I like to

suggest is called " Homeopathy: Medicine of the new man " by

Vithoulkas.

> the homeopath I'm seeing does not have an opinion on diet. He does say

> there is no one diet for everyone... he says you just have to try the

> diet and see if it works for you.

It's true that homeopathy has not spent a lot of time matching diets and

people. However there is such a thing as a " constitutional remedy " .

that's the remedy which most closely matches the way you were born

before life's challenges skewed things for you. The foods that are part

of that remedy are likely to match you well, and those always include

foods you like, foods you dislike, foods that make you feel worse, foods

that make you feel better. It is sometimes the case that for example

there is something you like but it makes you feel worse.

Homeopaths have traditionally not concentrated much on the relevance of

food " rubrics " (characteristics) in constitutional homeopathy, but it is

a principle of homeopathy that everyone is different and that nutrition

is paramount in building and maintaining health.

Namaste,

Irene

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dmurr58@... wrote:

> Tamara, I have also made an appointment to see a homeopathic doctor for the

> first time.

>

> Her office manager referred me to the writings of Dana Ullman.

Hmm.

He is a fellow who dropped out of college in 1972 to get interested in

homeopathy study group. But he returned to college then practised

homeopathy in 1976 (not with any homeopathy qualification - he had and

still has his college dregree which is MPH - Master of Public Health)

and was in 1976 accused of practising medicine wihtout a license. He won

his case, and ever since has decided to be an advocate for homeopathy.

He sells books tapes etc on homeopathy, and advocates its use in

many ways.

That's great, we need advocates - but whatever study group he joined -

he does not have formal homeopathy training - and in my opinion his

explanations are great in places and totally incorrect in others, making

it a pity in my opinioin that he did not get some formal training- or at

least make it his business to read the main work on homeopathy called

the " Organon of Medicine " - which is like the main textbook on

homeopathy - with nearly three hundred sections.

To list two examples where he is off track:

http://homeopathic.com/hes/conversation_schoch.php

* He says we don't know how homeopathy works - but that's not the whole

story. We actually do know that it's simply copying a principle amply

demonstrated in nature. He should explain that with examples. Copying

nature is something we do a lot on this planet, and at least nobody

questions what nature does :-)

* He also says " The basic principle is called the “principle of

similars”: that is, whatever a substance causes in overdose, it will

elicit a healing response when given in specially prepared microdoses. "

That's not correct.

So if his idea of the basic principle is incorrect, I don't like it much!

Actually the basic principle is " similia similibus currentur " which is

latin for " like cures like " , with special emphasis that " like " is not

" same " - it is similar.

This principle refers to the following action in nature found

independently by many famous health professionals, starting with

Hippocrates in about 500BC. He observed that if an individual had a

disease, and a *similar* but different disease could be found elsewhere,

the application of the similar disease on top of the original one -

would cure it. Just like that. And it works every time. this doscovery

has been made over and over again byt various physicians and scientists

over time and with different pairs of disases.

You can even try it for yourself for example. I'll tell you how at

the end here.

To explain however let me use this example: If someone has smallpox,

and you look for a similar disease - like cowpox which is similar but

different - you can put material from a cow infected with cowpox, into a

person infected with smallpox - and the person with smallpox would be

cured. Just like that. Seems amazing, but it works.

If you used a disease NOT similar to the one you want to cure, and

added it to the sick person, the result will be either no change as the

disease the individual already has is *stronger* than the new added one

- OR if the new disease to be added is stronger, the symptoms of the

first one will suddenly be replaced by the symptoms of the new stronger

one. The sick person will have only one set of symptoms - the original

disease will have " disappeared " - but only temporarily- it is really

suppressed and dormant.

This new condition with the new stronge disease will continue till

the body heals from the new strong diseases - then the " suppressed " one

will re-surface and be active and need to be healed as well! All this

became very obvious in the days of huge infectious epidemics. It

depended what disease hit the town first as to what symptoms the doctors

would be seeing.

In other words - an individual can only have one of two different

diseases at a time.

It will be the stronger one that shows symptoms, any other one will be

suppressed till the stronger one is overcome.

Also - no individual can have two *similar* diseases at the same

time and if you try to achieve that the diseases will cancel each other

out, and leave the individual healthy. THIS is the principle of nature

used by homeopathy.

Why did nature devise it this way? Who knows. We just copy it.

So it is true that we do *not* know why nature works this way or how

nature does these things at the detailed molecular level - but we do

know that these laws of nature exist and funtion and that homeopathy

merely copies them, because they work.

Nature does not provide a similar disease for each illness we have on

the planet. If it did, we could do the smallpox/cowpox trick with

whatever similar disease did exist. So what homeopathy does is to

develop artificial similar diseases (the remedies) to do the job of

making use of that magical principle of nature in which a similar

disease gets rid of an existing similar one - so THAT is the principle

of " Like cures Like " that is the basis of homeopathy. It's not to do

with " overdoses and microdoses " as Ullman claims.

Ullman has confused another important principle of homeopathy there.

What he is referring to is the work of Dr Hahnemann, a physician

who developed homeopathic remedies to fit the principle of " Do no harm " .

He realized that putting cowpox on a person with smallpox could be dicey

- what if you used too much or something and gave the person cowpox

instead of getting a cure by getting it similar enough. and what if your

chosen similar disease was not similar enough - and instead gave the

person a new strong diseae in addition and on top of the now suppressed

old one. Too dicey.

So he tried diluting the curative disease substance, and indeed that was

safer, but of course it also diluted the medicinal effect.

That was no good - as nature showed that to cure a severe disease you

needed a severe version of similar disease. What Hahnemann then

discovered is that if you shake the bottle a whole lot when you dilute

the curative version - then not only does the toxicity get diluted out

as expected - but the medicinal effect is actually enhanced. Leave out

the shaking and all you got was dilution efect - no medicinal one.

He was actually not shaking it, but banging it on the table. This

sudden stopping of the shaking - the banging - seems to be what is

needed to enhance the energy to heal in the remedy despite having

diluted out the toxicity. This kind of shaking is called " succussion " .

[Modern physics is starting to do investigation into the peculiar

behaviour of extremely dilute solutions - apparently the molecules clump

in an odd way - subject of 1994 Nobel prize. But how that explains

nature's curative actions with similar diseases is not connected up yet.]

What homeopathy has done is to develop thousands of artificial diseases

(called homeopathic remedies) that are so dilute as to have no substance

left of the original potentially dangerous substance - but that are

succussed so vigorously at each dilution (for example a 30C remedy is

diluted 1 in 100 then shaken 100 times - and this is done for 30

successive dilutions! And believe me you have a VERY sore arm after that

from all the energy put into the remedy) that the energy signature and

medicinal power is extremely strong in its effect, in such a

" potentized " remedy. Remedies are made in several potencies to handle

different strengths of illness symptoms.

Every remedy in homeopathy has also been " proved " and documented

copiously, as to what symptoms it can help. The way this is done uses

another principle of nature:

If a *healthy* person takes a medicine repeatedly, they will get

symptoms from it. Volunteer people do this - and record the symptoms.

Those symptoms are the ones that the remedy will cure in a sick person.

(They go away in the healthy person when you stop taking the remedy, so

taking it to find what it can do, is quite safe, and allows

documentation of many remedies and their benefits.)

So to give an example I used this week:

My cat Sindur developed a closed pyometra Tuesday night (uterine

infection that fills both long uterus halves of the cat with pus, and

nowhere to drain to, highly toxic and which is not treatable with

antibiotics as they can not get to the uteruis.) She was vomiting,

unable to assimilate food and very toxic from this infection, and

normally the vet would put her down or if she was able to withstand

surgery, would spay her. (She's my new breeding queen Norwegian forest

cat, age 2.)

Instead I used a homeopathic remedy called pyrogenium 1M. This is a

remedy made from rotting meat with pus-forming bacteria (which is very

similar to what her uterus is doing) but there is no substance in the

pyrogenium remedy - no meat or pus - it is all diluted out, with

succussions at each of 1000 dilutions of 1 in 100. (1M is 1000 dilutions

of 1 in 100) so it is a high energy level remedy - and it needs to be

high " potency " because this is a severe infection. By Friday night

Sindur had changed from a prone cat lying as if dead to a cat eating and

drinking normally and playing with her cat dancer toy. So in three days

flat her life threatening infection was well under control.

This is because the " similar disease " in the remedy - admittedly it

is at the energy level and not the chemical level - was *stronger* than

the disease in her uterus - and so cancelled it out.

The matter of remedies being at the energy level and not chemical level

- is a clue to how nature works. Nature has to also be working at the

energy level and not at the physical level when for example cowpox

material cures someone with smallpox.

Magnets also are that way - energy level activity - though their energy

is less specifically directed. As you may know, whan a magnet is made -

it is just a chunk of metal with no magnetism. You have to rub it

vigorously (or file it) to develop the magnetism of a magnet.

Similarly you need to succuss a homeopathic remedy to develop its

energy or potency.

In a few places, conventional medicine (aka allopathic medicine) uses

homeopathy without realizing it. For example the vaccination for

smallpox actually does not use smallpox organisms - it uses cowpox

organisms. And in 1 recent USA study by the government, when they were

worried after 9/11 that they may not have enough smllpox vaccine to

vaccinate everyone for terrorism reasons, they experimented to see if a

smaller amount of vaccine on hand might be effective so they could

stretch the supply. They tested it 1 in 2; 1 in 5; and 1 in 10 dilution.

They were MOST surprised to find that the 1 in 10 not only worked, but

in fact it had the best antibody response despite being the most dilute :-)

Homeopaths of course just smile and wonder why they used so much:-)

One vial will cover the entire nation if they just dilute and succuss it

enough.

Of course that is financially inadvisable to keep drug companies happy.

So to say we do not know how homeopathy works is really saying that we

do not know how some things in nature work - what's new about that! We

all accept that nature " works " , and often we do not know how. It does

not need double blind trials to prove nature exists in all its intricate

interwoven details. We don't even know how a thought works yet!

After all, those things used in homeopathy were not invented by man -

just copied by man from nature. It's nature's way of curing disease.

What I wrote here is horribly abbreviated compared to the detailed and

methodical approach that went into copying nature to develop homeopathic

remedies. But I think theis email is already on the long side and I hope

the list owner is not going to shoot me for off topic stuff!

I sincerely hope it is interesting or useful to someone on the list.

Namaste,

IRene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

[Guest guest]

About 30 years ago I worked at a health center where Dana Ullman taught

homeopathy. So whatever degrees he has or doesn't have, he does have a lot of

experience. I wouldn't automatically discount what he says.

homeopathy

Irene,

You are a very committed person and just a doll to spend the time to clarify

and educate for us on the subject of homeopathy. Thank you very much for

correcting me that Dana Ullman may not be the best " authority " on the

subject.

I was wondering why he had something like Ph.D. after his name. And now I

wonder about the training of the doctor whose office recommended him.

I will call back and get a little information on her backround, and if she

went to one of the five institutes. Hopefully, she is not just a student of

his. I'll be sure to see a real homeopathic doctor. And I'll look for the

book you recommended.

FYI, I used to work with animal rescue organizations in the SF Bay Area. We

had a woman who would not give up on the animals that the others said could

not be saved. She would take them to alternative veterinary doctors, who

practice homeopathy, or acupuncture, and some even did massage therapy. She

had

incredible results, and many animals that were considered to be terminally

ill or injured were restored to excellent health, and eventually placed in

homes. Your own work sounds fascinating, and I hope you'll keep us posted on

it.

[Guest guest]

Bumpas wrote:

> About 30 years ago I worked at a health center where Dana Ullman taught

> homeopathy. So whatever degrees he has or doesn't have, he does have a

> lot of experience. I wouldn't automatically discount what he says.

>

,

He may well know a great deal. Self-taught people can know a lot, and

some can know more than formally trained people. But homeopathy is based

on principles of nature which Dana Ullman's own words show he does not

understand. (That's why I explained them in my email.)

So if he does not understand the principles - how well can he apply them

as opposed to using " cookbook " homeopathy which is what homeopaths

specifically try to avoid (self taught or otherwise) in order to adjust

to the individual differences between us?

There are several people teaching homeopathy in USA who have no training

in homeopathy. To me this is mind boggling, but so it is. The

veterinarian Dr Pitcairn is another one. If they were using the

principles of homeopathy and applying them thoroughly I would find that

acceptable, but if they don't understand the principles, do you really

think they can impart the proper use and application of the principles

in all cases especially complex ones?

Would you go to a self-taught doctor whose principles of medicine were

shaky or missing?

I love homeopathy - and credit it with saving my life on more than one

occasion. The person who saved my leg from gangrene was a self-taught

homeopath. (My cousin.) Actually she was not self-taught - her father

taught her - and he learned from his father - and so on up the line to

the original days of homeopathy. But she makes use of the principles of

homeopathy - drills them as the basis for every decision - and these

she *does* understand - and applies. It's why my left leg due for

amputation form gangrene, is now a perfectly functioning leg. And I was

impressed enough to get over my scepticism as a scientific type, and

learn what homeopathy is about.

In USA anyone can call themselves a homeopath, and I think that's a sad

situation. There is no specific level of training required to do so. So

Dana Ullman apparently has no qualification at all in homeopathy - nor

does Pitcairn. And both " train other homeopaths. " Is this right?

I do not know if Dana Ullman manages to give great advice anyway - but I

do know the vets trained by Pitcairn all believe many wrong things on

feline nutrition - a speciality area of mine - and which is being taught

by Pitcairn - and it causes the *great majority* of cat foods on the

market to have ingredients that are actually toxic to cats! that's a

pretty dire consequence of the system we have in my opinion.

Nutrition is not homeopathy though it has to be right to allow

homeopathy to build health - nor does he have a nutrition qualification

according to his website.

My point is that while USA has no registering body requiring a certain

level of competence proven through exams and practise and covering

specific material pertinent to the profession of homeopathy - it's a

case of " let the buyer beware " as regards what is called homeopathy -

including by the most well meaning people.

My own criterion is to look for someone with full time homeopathy

practise - no part time homeopathy done by a doctor or vet or

chiropractor etc. Also I look for a qualification from one of the better

schools, such as British Institute of Homeopathy which is represented in

many countries - and whose level of competence is accepted for

registration in countries where homeopaths are registered professionals

with the same standing as doctors - in the appropriate profession.

(Also there's a good school in Canada and the Bay of Plenty School

of Homeopathy in New Zealand is excellent. The NZ school's qualification

is also accepted for registration in countries where homeopaths are

registered.)

Some homeopathy schools have very limited training. For example Pitcairn

gives vets seminars over 4 weekends at a nice hotel and they are then

called homeopathic veterinarians. By contrast, my training took more

years of full time training plus case management experience than it

takes to be a doctor. I have 3 framed documents on my wall from BIH.

The point is that a " homeopath " in USA can have a very wide range of

capabilities from a few weekends of seminars to proper health care

training in depth that takes many many years. And like it or not, the

depth of training *does* matter with respect to what help you can expect

for complex situations and especially for chronic situations. The latter

need the most knowledge to handle. If all you need is help to get over a

vaccination reaction, a weekend seminar homeopath may be all you need.

I have no knowledge of what level of homeopathy knowledge Dana Ullman

has. He apparently was part of a " study group " as he puts it, for 5 years.

Since there is no qualification to go by, how does one know? In his

shoes I'd have signed up for an accredited course just to prove I had

the knowledge. In fact that is what I did myself, as I was initially

taught by my cousin who comes from a long line of homeopaths. I did not

feel it ethical to take clients without a qualification on paper that my

clients could assess.

Ullman writes copious articles and several books so his name is well

known. I'm concerned with his (apparent lack of) understanding of

homeopathy principles as I commented. He is *self-styled* less as a

homeopath than as someone who works to promote homeopathy as a health

care system. Those are two very different activities.

Everyone makes a choice.

It would be my choice to see someone with enough respect for their

clients as a practitioner, to have a formal qualification in the

profession and who works in it FULL time.

Not someone who writes books or does conventional medicine or plumbing

or anything else as well as the *practise* of homeopathy. Perhaps Ullman

is a better writer than he is a homeopath - perhaps he is both - but how

to judge?

To each his own :-) In my case I am self-employed as a homeopath, it

is my sole source of income - and ALL of the homeopathy that I use stems

from the principles, and I credit my success rate to the careful

understanding and application of those principles. I would go so far as

to say the reason homeopathy has a bad name in USA instead of being the

health care system of choice as it is in much of the world, is that

there are too many " homeopaths " who do *not* know, understand and

implement the principles.

The general view in USA - which is why there is no registering body for

homeopaths - is this attitude of " freedom " being expounded. It is that

homeopaths and other health professionals should not need to be

registered, and that people going to see one should just know what level

of competence they are expecting and choose to use it or not. " Let the

buyer beware " they say, and give the homeopaths freedom to do as they

feel is best with whatever qualifications and understanding they do or

do not have.

I'm often unpopular for not agreeing with this. I want the best for

my clients - an I get to pick up many pieces after inappropriate

" homeopathy " on their pets by someone who doesn't follow the principles.

Why should the public be expected to know enough about every profession

to judge the competence of something that takes years to learn?

I'm in favour of allowing non-registered homeopaths - but also

allowing registration as an option for the benefit of consumers who want

to *know* their homeopath has a specific level of competence.

The way it is now, onus is on the consumer to know what they are buying

- and they have practically no tools to use in this judgement - in a

profession that can do harm or at least delay progress (which in my book

is doing harm) if not applied correctly.

No offence intended to Dana Ullman in all this. My problem is that as a

competent homeopath myself, I still can not judge Ullman's proficiency

level, other than by what he writes about principles and what

qualifications he does not claim.

Is that how it should be?

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

[Guest guest]

I also think that experience is much more worth than degrees !

If you want to know if he's good, ask patients, not papers.

love

homeopathy

>

>

> Irene,

>

> You are a very committed person and just a doll to spend the time to

clarify

> and educate for us on the subject of homeopathy. Thank you very much

for

> correcting me that Dana Ullman may not be the best " authority " on the

subject.

> I was wondering why he had something like Ph.D. after his name. And

now I

> wonder about the training of the doctor whose office recommended him.

>

> I will call back and get a little information on her backround, and if

she

> went to one of the five institutes. Hopefully, she is not just a

student of

> his. I'll be sure to see a real homeopathic doctor. And I'll look for

the

> book you recommended.

>

> FYI, I used to work with animal rescue organizations in the SF Bay

Area. We

> had a woman who would not give up on the animals that the others said

could

> not be saved. She would take them to alternative veterinary doctors,

who

> practice homeopathy, or acupuncture, and some even did massage therapy.

She had

> incredible results, and many animals that were considered to be

terminally

> ill or injured were restored to excellent health, and eventually placed

in

> homes. Your own work sounds fascinating, and I hope you'll keep us

posted on it.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/10/2004 12:12:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

furryboots@... writes:

Everyone makes a choice.

It would be my choice to see someone with enough respect for their

clients as a practitioner, to have a formal qualification in the

profession and who works in it FULL time.

Maybe you already told me but how do the clueless like myself wade through

the forrest of wannabes and snake oil salesmen and figure out who's a good,

qualified homeopath. What kind of credentials should we be looking for? Is

there

any state that regulates and licenses homeopaths?

[Guest guest]

That's only if you believe that the " energy signature " exists. It has

never been recorded nor measured. Nor has homeopathy ever been proven

to work.

Best regards,

Celeste

Irene de Villiers wrote:

> Homeopathy does not introduce a minute substance to the body.

> It introduces ZERO substance, and offers only an *energy* signature,

> which is detected by the body's life force which then has the option to

> change its energy field accordingly.

[Guest guest]

Celeste:

It works on humans as it has on me. It works on animals where there can

be no placebo effect, including my dogs who had allergies. It works on

Staph Aureus drugs only suppress it and only for a short time.

To paraphrase a famous General don't get on stuck on ...establishment

medicine.

a1thighmaster wrote:

>That's only if you believe that the " energy signature " exists. It has

>never been recorded nor measured. Nor has homeopathy ever been proven

>to work.

>

>Best regards,

>Celeste

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Homeopathy had never worked on me . . . not even a little bit. I tried

it several times over a period of many years before I finally decided

it was a waste of time and money.

I'm not " stuck " on any particular type of medicine and I want to use

remedies that work . . . and work reliably.

Best regards,

Celeste

B. Monier- wrote:

> It works on humans as it has on me. It works on animals where there can

> be no placebo effect, including my dogs who had allergies. It works on

> Staph Aureus drugs only suppress it and only for a short time.

> To paraphrase a famous General don't get on stuck on ...establishment

> medicine.

[Guest guest]

a1thighmaster wrote:

> That's only if you believe that the " energy signature " exists. It has

> never been recorded nor measured. Nor has homeopathy ever been proven

> to work.

Again you are so wrong.

Physicists have already proved energy signatures exist, and homeopathy

was proved to work a long time before you were born:-))

For your research on this, you can start with the challenges issued by

homeopaths during the great epidemics in which homeopaths and

conventional medicine each took 15,000 patients.

In the homeopathy group 30 died. In the conventional group the

majority died. Go figure:-))

More examples here:

http://www.whale.to/v/winston.html

For example of 26,795 cases of the 1918 flu treated by homeopathy, the

death rate was 1.05% whereas treatment of 24,000 cases by conventional

medicine had a death rate of 28.2%

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

[Guest guest]

a1thighmaster wrote:

> Homeopathy had never worked on me . . . not even a little bit. I tried

> it several times over a period of many years

Are you sure you tried homeopathy and not someone's idea of it?

In USA - I assume you are in USA - anyone can call themselves a

homeopath but only some are really qualified.

(In sensible countries homeopaths are registered with the state after

achieving a proper level of qualification and passing the equivalent of

state board exams - just as doctors are. But not in USA!)

I sure hope you were not led astray by someone who thought they knew

homeopathy but did not. Because it really does work, and it would be a

pity if you were misled.

To have homeopathy work, all that is needed is to properly repertorize

the case, so as to very closely match the remedy to the client. If the

remedy is not matched well (because the homeopath's training did not

enable them to do so) then it will indeed not work.

That like the fault of a bad doctor or a bad accountant - is the fault

of the bad practitioner - and not the fault of homeopathy.

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.