Hair analysis

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone,

I'm the one that had my hair analysis done by Dr. and as I told in

the begining of all his research I was listening to him () and not thinking

he was a quack because he was saying some of the same things as Dr. . I

really liked Dr. as a person and respected him as a professional and

would have continued with him if he hadn't sold his business. I had three hair

analysis done with Dr. and now that I know he is working in this area

again I will use him for a new analysis.

As for my copper levels they were always slightly low 2.0-2.4 where 2.5 is

normal. Looking back over the rest of my results calcium and magnesuim were

both always very high and off the chart at times. Sodium, Potassium, Iron (very

low), zinc and selenium were all low. Aluminum was consistantly high.

Manganese was very low and then shot up. Even with my new knowledge I don't

understand or see any pattern in my hair analysis . I was supplmenting with Hi

b-complex, zinc, calcium and magnesium, a liver cleanser, several digestives and

at times B-6 and vitamin c in addition to other formulas.

Yes it is true I didn't get well with Dr. , but I did feel better. Was

that a coincidence, I don't know. So although it sounds like I'm plugging Dr.

, I'm merely trying to present my history. Would I have gotten well on

his program, maybe not, his view on copper is a bit different than 's and I

believe that is on the right track.

By the way I have also heard a lot of good things about the Great Smokies

Laboratory and know several doctors both in the U.S. and Canada that use their

service.

Until next time,

Ann

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[Guest guest]

Doctor's Data Chicago is the lab that we use however you need to have the

sample sent by a doctor.

If your doctor does not do it I could send you a kit.

Regards,

Noel.

Noel

89 Royal Parade

P O Box 137

Parkville VIC 3052

Australia

Telephone 03 9347 8444

International 613 9347 8444

Fax 03 9347 8850

International 613 9347 850

Email noelc@...

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Hair analysis

From: Erma <erma@...>

Where can you get hair analysis done?

Erma

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[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone,

Dr. Larry wrote a textbook called Nutritional Balancing and Hair

Mineral Analysis and he teaches doctors how to interpret hair analyses. He

has personally done many thousands of hair analyses and works with a

laboratory in Arizona. He is very particular about the lab not washing the

hair samples and feels that many labs wash the hair and are negligent about

other important matters. I don't know enough about this to give any opinion.

Dr. will perform hair analyses by mail for our group members (mention

the group) for $100. About $40-$50 goes to the laboratory itself and the

remainder goes to Dr. for his interpretation. Interpretation is very

important because sometimes high levels of a mineral in the hair mean that

it's really high and other times it means that the body isn't utilizing it and

it's being excreted into the epithelial cells.

I have read much of the book and can attest to the fact that it's not a

simple science. I'm sure you can get your hair analyzed by any laboratory for

under $50. My doctor charges me $45 for the test and then $48 for a half hour

discussion of the results. The advantages of using Dr. are that you

can do it through the mail and then have someone you can communicate via email

with to discuss the fine points and who will answer your questions. Basically

he then considers you a patient and you have access to him for your questions.

On the other side, he was once a vegetarian and he got what he described at

" copper toxicity " and which I describe as deficiencies of other nutrients such

as iron, zinc, and sulfur. He feels that many people are copper toxic, but he

has been open to my ideas that copper deficiency is involved in hyperT. If

you keep in mind that he may have biases due to his personal experiences and

his experiences as a doctor to many people who probably do exhibit symptoms of

what he calls " copper toxicity " , then you can use his expertise and combine it

with what you know and what we are learning together to form your own opinion.

One of our group members, Ann, who now lives in Germany, used to live in

Arizona and was one of Dr. 's patients. He was unable to help her with

her hyperthyroidism and tried to convince her that she was copper-toxic. I

don't know what her copper levels were at that time, and maybe they were high.

I don't think that his failure to help her diminishes his expertise since

noone has a monopoly on the truth. I believe that all professionals have

their strengths and weaknesses and it's best to weigh all opinions and then

use your own best judgement.

When I need my next hair analysis I intend to use Dr. , both to see his

technique so that I can know whether to recommend him or not, and to see what

his insights are. I've seen the limitations that my doctor has and am always

open to someone else's ideas.

If you wish to contact Dr. , his email is: shekinah@...

Please don't contact him to pick his brain unless you want him to do a hair

analysis for you. He gave up his practice in Phoenix and is trying to make a

living in a rural area by helping people over the internet. His book is not

in any bookstores (they're all in his garage) and they are available through

him if you're interested.

If anyone uses his services I would appreciate knowing what you thought of

it.

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[Guest guest]

,

Thanks for the tip... but thats embarrassing!!! Isn't it??? Did it turn out

the way it showed on your hair analysis test??

Kozy

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[Guest guest]

Kozy ---

When I had my hair analyzed over a year ago, and it came back very high in

copper, lead and mercury, the first thing my doctor asked me was if I

colored my hair. Apparently my lead level was " screamingly " high. (And,

unfortunately, the answer to his question was " no " .) So, yes, the fact that

you color your hair would interfere with interpreting your hair analysis.

What my doctor did was to order another hair analysis, this time with a

sample of pubic hair. Maybe that's what you should do. Good luck!

>,

>

>I do color my hair every month to hide the grayings in my hair (I'm only 34!!)

>. If I send in my hair samples, would the dyed hair affect the hair analysis

>tests??? I'm just curious and am very interested in getting hair analysis

>done. I appreciate the information. Thanks.

>

>Kozy

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[Guest guest]

Kozy ---

I know, it sounds embarrassing, but nobody's in the room with you, so

actually it's not! And, yes, the results were significantly different for

several minerals --- my lead was much lower (although still higher than

ideal), for instance. I think it's more accurate than head hair, even if

you don't color your hair, what with the conditioners, gel, mousee, and

spray people put in their hair!

>,

>

>Thanks for the tip... but thats embarrassing!!! Isn't it??? Did it turn out

>the way it showed on your hair analysis test??

>

>Kozy

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Being that pubic hair does not continue to grow like head hair, which

means that the sample of hair is rather old, is it as reliable as head

hair for what is going on currently?

Rand

Fintzy wrote:

>

> Kozy ---

>

> I know, it sounds embarrassing, but nobody's in the room with you, so

> actually it's not! And, yes, the results were significantly different for

> several minerals --- my lead was much lower (although still higher than

> ideal), for instance. I think it's more accurate than head hair, even if

> you don't color your hair, what with the conditioners, gel, mousee, and

> spray people put in their hair!

>

>

>

> >,

> >

> >Thanks for the tip... but thats embarrassing!!! Isn't it??? Did it turn out

> >the way it showed on your hair analysis test??

> >

> >Kozy

> >

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[Guest guest]

Hi Rand ---

I didn't know that about the pubic hair not growing (and thus not being as

reliable as head hair)! My doctor thinks it's more reliable... I'm not sure

what to believe now!

>Hi ,

>

>Being that pubic hair does not continue to grow like head hair, which

>means that the sample of hair is rather old, is it as reliable as head

>hair for what is going on currently?

>

>Rand

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

If your doctor has done a lot of hair analysis and has found pubic hair

more reliable, then I would believe him. I am not a hair analysis

doctor. The hair on your head is constantly growing the hair on the

rest of your body will grow to a certain length and stop, if you cut it,

it will regrow to that length and stop again. And it does fall out and

new hair takes its place.

Sorry if I confused you, listen to your doctor if he is an expert in

that area.

Rand

Fintzy wrote:

>

> Hi Rand ---

>

> I didn't know that about the pubic hair not growing (and thus not being as

> reliable as head hair)! My doctor thinks it's more reliable... I'm not sure

> what to believe now!

>

>

>

> >Hi ,

> >

> >Being that pubic hair does not continue to grow like head hair, which

> >means that the sample of hair is rather old, is it as reliable as head

> >hair for what is going on currently?

> >

> >Rand

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[Guest guest]

,

I recieved a fax of my hair analysis today. I can either mail it to you or

fax it to you!

Please E-Mail your fax number or your address.

Thanks!

Cheri

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[Guest guest]

Hi Cheri,

That's great! Could you fax it to me at (818)889-6969. That's at my work,

so please put a cover sheet on it: To . I'll be there in about

an hour or so. Thanks so much. Let me know what you think of the latest

story on heavy metal toxicity. You're going to have to be one of our heavy

hitters in this metal investigation, since you are a metallurgist!

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[Guest guest]

, it occurred to me that we really don't know if them findings of a hair

analysis tell indicate the CAUSE of the thyroid problem or are the RESULT of

the thyroid problem. It's a chicken/egg kind of issue, I think. What do you

think?

Esther

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[Guest guest]

Hello Everyone,

I have been busy moving & haven't been keeping up with everyone. I am the

one that was exposed to metals at my previous job. I was diagnosed with

heavy metal poisoning in March. I have finally started EDTA chelation

treatments 2 weeks ago.

I will keep everyone posted on whether it improves my thyroid function, I am

hypo.

I also misplace the list on lab that do hair analysis. I need to send my

son's hair sample off to be test. He was born after my exposure to the

metals.

Thanks!!

Cheri

[Guest guest]

Cheri,

Is the chelation making you sick or tired? I am toxic with Cadmium and Lead,

What do you contain??? How long will you be taking treatments? I will start

DMSA as soon as I get over this cold! I hope our thyroids begin to function

after we are all clean!! Let us know how it is going!!!

The Labs are Great Smokies Lab and Great Plains Lab. You can look them up and

see which would be best to use!!. Good luck! I hope they dont find any metal

in your son!! I am toxic with Cadmium and Lead, What do you contain??? How

long will you be taking treatments?

Lori

CSch13204@... wrote:

> I have been busy moving & haven't been keeping up with everyone. I am the

> one that was exposed to metals at my previous job. I was diagnosed with

> heavy metal poisoning in March. I have finally started EDTA chelation

> treatments 2 weeks ago.

> I will keep everyone posted on whether it improves my thyroid function, I am

> hypo.

>

> I also misplace the list on lab that do hair analysis. I need to send my

> son's hair sample off to be test. He was born after my exposure to the

> metals.

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Lori,

I am going thru chelation for lead and cadmium now, every 2 weeks. I have

had about 4 sessions, due for about 4 more. I sometimes felt tired the next

day after. It is important to drink a lot of water before and after the

chelation to flush out and not feel tired. I am feeling more energetic.

Also going thru dmps at the same time as the chelation. I really don't have

anything to report until the next tests come along. I have small veins, so

I make sure that I am well hydrated before they put in the IV. Before

someone told me that trick, I dreaded the IV, but now it is easy. I make

sure to take Vit C and bioflavenoids as well to help my vein walls stay

unbruised. It seems to work just fine..

B in Mi

Re: Hair Analysis

>Cheri,

>Is the chelation making you sick or tired? I am toxic with Cadmium and

Lead,

>What do you contain??? How long will you be taking treatments? I will

start

>DMSA as soon as I get over this cold! I hope our thyroids begin to

function

>after we are all clean!! Let us know how it is going!!!

>

>The Labs are Great Smokies Lab and Great Plains Lab. You can look them up

and

>see which would be best to use!!. Good luck! I hope they dont find any

metal

>in your son!! I am toxic with Cadmium and Lead, What do you contain???

How

>long will you be taking treatments?

>

>Lori

>

>CSch13204@... wrote:

>

>> I have been busy moving & haven't been keeping up with everyone. I am

the

>> one that was exposed to metals at my previous job. I was diagnosed with

>> heavy metal poisoning in March. I have finally started EDTA chelation

>> treatments 2 weeks ago.

>> I will keep everyone posted on whether it improves my thyroid function, I

am

>> hypo.

>>

>> I also misplace the list on lab that do hair analysis. I need to send my

>> son's hair sample off to be test. He was born after my exposure to the

>> metals.

>>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Lori!

I have aluminum, nickel, cadmium, (slight) uranium, barium, titanium &

zirconium.

I have taken 3 chelation treatments with edta. I am now waiting for my 24 hr

urine

test results to see how many treatments i need or if I need to be chelated

with several different chelators for my various metals.

I am already feeling better. I have had problems with my head racing &

trouble concentrating. It seems to be improving. I have had only minor

trouble with the chelation. I feel a little tired for about 5 hours after

the treatment & sometimes my stomach is upset, but nothing big.

Cheri

[Guest guest]

Hi Norma,

You have to go through a doctor to get the heavy metal test. I had the urine

test

that was sent to King Medical Laboratory, Inc. in Cleveland Ohio (800)

437-1404. You can get the hair analysis through Smokey Mountain lab, I think.

I

will check the name.

Lori

Norma Wells wrote:

> How does one get tested for these metals? I've never heard of this??

>

[Guest guest]

Wow Cheri,

I am so very happy for you! I truly believe that these poisions in our bodies

cause soo many problems! How much are your edta treatments? Does your

insurance

cover them? How long do they take? Let us know the results of your 24 urine

test results!!

I am so tired from the DMSA Pills that I am taking for chelation. I know it is

for a good cause, but to be dead tired again has got me discouraged.

PS where did you get all the garbage (metals)? LOL

Lori

CSch13204@... wrote:

> Hi Lori!

>

> I have aluminum, nickel, cadmium, (slight) uranium, barium, titanium &

> zirconium.

> I have taken 3 chelation treatments with edta. I am now waiting for my 24 hr

> urine

> test results to see how many treatments i need or if I need to be chelated

> with several different chelators for my various metals.

>

> I am already feeling better. I have had problems with my head racing &

> trouble concentrating. It seems to be improving. I have had only minor

> trouble with the chelation. I feel a little tired for about 5 hours after

> the treatment & sometimes my stomach is upset, but nothing big.

>

> Cheri

>

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[Guest guest]

How does one get tested for these metals? I've never heard of this??

CSch13204@... wrote:

> Hi Lori!

>

> I have aluminum, nickel, cadmium, (slight) uranium, barium, titanium &

> zirconium.

> I have taken 3 chelation treatments with edta. I am now waiting for my 24 hr

> urine

> test results to see how many treatments i need or if I need to be chelated

> with several different chelators for my various metals.

>

> I am already feeling better. I have had problems with my head racing &

> trouble concentrating. It seems to be improving. I have had only minor

> trouble with the chelation. I feel a little tired for about 5 hours after

> the treatment & sometimes my stomach is upset, but nothing big.

>

> Cheri

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[Guest guest]

Hi Lori,

I got the heavy metal poisoning from working in a casting (copper alloys)

plant about 8 years ago. I have a Metallurgical Engineering Degree. I

luckily did not keep working there.

Regarding getting tested for heavy metals: I bellieve that the hair

analysis is the best detection method. The urine test is only run after

chelation to see how much metal you are releasing due to the chelators. The

heavy metals do not release on their own that is why you must have the

chelation. Some metal are used as minerals

such as copper & your body should natural release these metals. The metals

such as nickel, cadmium, lead, mercury, aluminum - lodge in our tissues &

need to be chelated to be remove, if present at dangerous levels.

You should read the book Toxic Metal Syndrome. It is extremely interesting.

I believe that my thyroid shut down so that I would gain weight to protect my

vital organs from damage from the metals. The book states that if you are

thin your

vital organs will be more likely attacked. I was always thin before the

exposure to

the metals. I thought it was very interesting.

My current doctor believes that the metals caused my thyroid to fail also.

He believes that metals attack our glandular systems. He is also friends

with the doctor

that wrote the book on metal toxicity. I feel fortunate to finally have

found a doctor that believes that all of this is related & that I am not

crazy. I found my doctor in the

list of doctors who are certified to perform chelation in the back of the

book I mentioned.

I pay $98/treatment for my chelation therapy. I had to have a battery of

tests run before they would start the treatments. I had blood tests, urine

tests, EKG & a chest

X-ray. The test cost about $350 w/out the chest x-ray.

My insurance has refused to cover my care, so I am paying for it myself. I

am considering hiring a lawyer to sue my previous employer. I think they

should have to tell peolpe in the future about the health risks they are

being exposed to.

Cheri

[Guest guest]

Hi Cheri,

I am so glad you found a good doc! $98.00 for a chelation treatment is not bad

at all. How often do you get them? How many does the doc think you need?

I am sorry that the insurance will not pay it for you! I would talk to an

attorney and just ask! Heck I think that Company you worked for is

responsible!! And a lawsuit might just send the message to the employees about

how dangerous it is there!!

When I had my urine test, you have to take a pill called DMSA first. It pulls

the heavy metal out through your urine and then you collect it for 6 hours. You

can smell the stuff in your urine. Also the DMSA is what I am taking for detox

now! We are going to retest in 2 months. I started last week. It makes me

really tired the next day! Does your treatment make you tired??

Thank you for the info - I will look for the book!! What we can learn from this

list is so wonderful!

Good luck and keep us informed!! PS Wont that be great when our thyroid can

function on its own!! And hopefully they will!!

Lori

> Lori,

>

> I got the heavy metal poisoning from working in a casting (copper alloys)

> plant about 8 years ago. I have a Metallurgical Engineering Degree. I

> luckily did not keep working there.

>

> Regarding getting tested for heavy metals: I bellieve that the hair

> analysis is the best detection method. The urine test is only run after

> chelation to see how much metal you are releasing due to the chelators. The

> heavy metals do not release on their own that is why you must have the

> chelation. Some metal are used as minerals

> such as copper & your body should natural release these metals. The metals

> such as nickel, cadmium, lead, mercury, aluminum - lodge in our tissues &

> need to be chelated to be remove, if present at dangerous levels.

>

> You should read the book Toxic Metal Syndrome. It is extremely interesting.

> I believe that my thyroid shut down so that I would gain weight to protect my

> vital organs from damage from the metals. The book states that if you are

> thin your

> vital organs will be more likely attacked. I was always thin before the

> exposure to

> the metals. I thought it was very interesting.

>

> My current doctor believes that the metals caused my thyroid to fail also.

> He believes that metals attack our glandular systems. He is also friends

> with the doctor

> that wrote the book on metal toxicity. I feel fortunate to finally have

> found a doctor that believes that all of this is related & that I am not

> crazy. I found my doctor in the

> list of doctors who are certified to perform chelation in the back of the

> book I mentioned.

>

> I pay $98/treatment for my chelation therapy. I had to have a battery of

> tests run before they would start the treatments. I had blood tests, urine

> tests, EKG & a chest

> X-ray. The test cost about $350 w/out the chest x-ray.

>

> My insurance has refused to cover my care, so I am paying for it myself. I

> am considering hiring a lawyer to sue my previous employer. I think they

> should have to tell peolpe in the future about the health risks they are

> being exposed to.

>

> Cheri

>

[Guest guest]

Lori

What did you say the title and author of the book is.

Sheryl

Re: Hair Analysis

Hi Lori,

I got the heavy metal poisoning from working in a casting (copper alloys)

plant about 8 years ago. I have a Metallurgical Engineering Degree. I

luckily did not keep working there.

Regarding getting tested for heavy metals: I bellieve that the hair

analysis is the best detection method. The urine test is only run after

chelation to see how much metal you are releasing due to the chelators. The

heavy metals do not release on their own that is why you must have the

chelation. Some metal are used as minerals

such as copper & your body should natural release these metals. The metals

such as nickel, cadmium, lead, mercury, aluminum - lodge in our tissues &

need to be chelated to be remove, if present at dangerous levels.

You should read the book Toxic Metal Syndrome. It is extremely interesting.

I believe that my thyroid shut down so that I would gain weight to protect

my

vital organs from damage from the metals. The book states that if you are

thin your

vital organs will be more likely attacked. I was always thin before the

exposure to

the metals. I thought it was very interesting.

My current doctor believes that the metals caused my thyroid to fail also.

He believes that metals attack our glandular systems. He is also friends

with the doctor

that wrote the book on metal toxicity. I feel fortunate to finally have

found a doctor that believes that all of this is related & that I am not

crazy. I found my doctor in the

list of doctors who are certified to perform chelation in the back of the

book I mentioned.

I pay $98/treatment for my chelation therapy. I had to have a battery of

tests run before they would start the treatments. I had blood tests, urine

tests, EKG & a chest

X-ray. The test cost about $350 w/out the chest x-ray.

My insurance has refused to cover my care, so I am paying for it myself. I

am considering hiring a lawyer to sue my previous employer. I think they

should have to tell peolpe in the future about the health risks they are

being exposed to.

Cheri

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[Guest guest]

Hi Cheri:

what kind of doctor is this that you are going to?

Thanx

[Guest guest]

Hi !

He is a very old doctor about 70+. He went to regular medical school. He is

an MD.

He is in the healing arts/preventative medicine, which I think means he

believes in some homepathic practices. Most of the doctors that perform

chelation treatment are not mainstream medicine doctors. The mainstream

doctors do not even believe that a hair analysis can show that heavy metals

are present.

I feel fortunate to finally have found a good doctor who believes that you do

not just treat the symptons, but you try to find the cause of the problems &

correct them if at all possible. I have searched for 3 years to find a good

doctor. I have had many horrid experiences, but I could write a book about

that. I think most of us have had more bad experiences than good at the

doctor.

Cheri

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone!

I had called regarding getting a test done on my son. The indicated that

they could send me a test kit. The phone number I called was 1-888-891-3061.

It was for Great Smokies Lab/Body Balance.

Cheri