Hair analysis

[Guest guest]

Deb,

You mentioned that you've made some dietary changes and are reluctant to

start eating meat again . . . I know this may sound bizarre, but after

eating macrobiotically for a while, I'm now eating according to the blood

type diet and feel better than ever. This particular diet has been really

right for me. Something to think about if you're interested in exploring

dietary options. There's a book out now called Eat For Your Blood Type, but

it's a naturopathic tradition that's not new , but not widely used.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I have been using the supplements from 's list for about a month and

have experienced magnesium complications (diarrhea) but have stayed with

the levels in spite of this embarrassing nuisance. I was in the car

yesterday and heard a program about supplementation facilitated by le

Lind on our local talk station (Northern CA). I didn't hear the guest's

name or her book title but I did hear her comments on calcium and

magnesium. She said that they should be taken separately because they

cancel each other out if taken together, that this is one of the myths of

supplementation. She said that calcium deficiency is oftentimes a

magnesium deficiency in disguise and that the amounts should be 1000 mag in

the evening because it is a relaxant and 500 calcium in the morning. You

may be wondering why I am even mentioning this radio broadcast when I have

so little documentation about the author, but I will attempt to find

substantiation for this info. What do you think about this ? Debbie

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/4/00 4:46:33 PM !!!First Boot!!!,

debspiritwalker@... writes:

<< ,

I just got my hair analysis back. This was after 4 days on about 4-6mg

of Copper. The copper is low of cousre.The magnesium was off the scale

high with the calcium only a little lower. Iron, manganese and selenum

were also low, copper being the lowest. I was diagnosed in the study as

a slow metabolic type with thyroid function being mentioned as possibly

low with parathyroid activity maybe being high. It made some diatary

recommendations--high protein and reduction of fruit juice. I have been

drinking lots of juice as I quit drinking soft drinks. IT also

recommended not exceeding 40 % unrefined carbs and no refined sugars or

carbs. IT also recommended avoiding or reducing dairy.

I have hyper symptoms, shakiness, high pulse, and fluctuating blood

pressure. My initial blood work was

t3 uptake 32.9 (22.6-39.9)

t4 17.5 (4.8-13.9)

t7 5.8 (1.3-4.8

TSH less than .06 (0.3-5.0)

My uptake scan was 56%

and the ultrasound showed a diffusly large thyroid.

I had started a modified veggie/macrobiotic diet (my own modification)

right before I was diagnosed. I am eating healthier, and hate to start

eating a lot of meat again. Do you think I shoud follow these

recommendations? They do go along with the ones on the supplement

list.But, I don't understand why it said I was hypothyroid.

Should I have another bloodtest?

Thanks,

Deb >>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/4/00 4:46:33 PM !!!First Boot!!!,

debspiritwalker@... writes:

<< ,

I just got my hair analysis back. This was after 4 days on about 4-6mg

of Copper. The copper is low of cousre.The magnesium was off the scale

high with the calcium only a little lower. Iron, manganese and selenum

were also low, copper being the lowest. I was diagnosed in the study as

a slow metabolic type with thyroid function being mentioned as possibly

low with parathyroid activity maybe being high. It made some diatary

recommendations--high protein and reduction of fruit juice. I have been

drinking lots of juice as I quit drinking soft drinks. IT also

recommended not exceeding 40 % unrefined carbs and no refined sugars or

carbs. IT also recommended avoiding or reducing dairy.

I have hyper symptoms, shakiness, high pulse, and fluctuating blood

pressure. My initial blood work was

t3 uptake 32.9 (22.6-39.9)

t4 17.5 (4.8-13.9)

t7 5.8 (1.3-4.8

TSH less than .06 (0.3-5.0)

My uptake scan was 56%

and the ultrasound showed a diffusly large thyroid.

I had started a modified veggie/macrobiotic diet (my own modification)

right before I was diagnosed. I am eating healthier, and hate to start

eating a lot of meat again. Do you think I shoud follow these

recommendations? They do go along with the ones on the supplement

list.But, I don't understand why it said I was hypothyroid.

Should I have another bloodtest?

Thanks,

Deb >>

Hi Deb,

Sorry about the previous post with no comment-- slip of the mouse.

More than likely most hypers begin with hypoT, many times undiagnosed, so

it's not surprising that your hair analysis interpretation indicates slow

metabolic type or hypothyroidism. There are a lot of similarities in hypo

and hyper mineral profiles. High calcium and magnesium in the hair seems to

be characteristic of just about everyone in the group, however, this doesn't

mean that cal/mag might not be deficient. We seen that hypers especially

benefit from cal/mag supplementation. Most likely the high cal/mag in the

hair just indicates a disturbance in cal/mag metabolism and these minerals

are not being utilized properly because of other metabolic disturbances.

Your blood test and your symptoms show that you're hyper--no question

there. Iron is usually low in hypers. Because of the low copper, iron is

not being utilized properly with resulting anemia. Selenium is also very

often low in hypers and studies indicate that low selenium is often the

precursor to hypoT (and goiter) and therefore a precursor of the consequent

hyperT.

Manganese and its partner chromium are usually messed up in those with

thyroid disease. Sometimes they are both low, but often one is high and the

other low. There are so few medical studies on manganese and chromium so I

haven't been able to figure out if the Mn/Cr disturbances are a consequence

of other deficiencies or possibly are main contributors to the problem.

You definitely want to increase protein and saturated fats and cut way

back on fruit. Ingestion of fructose during copper deficiency makes the

copper deficiency much worse. You'll have to correct the copper deficiency

before you can tolerate fruit. Yes, stay away from dairy protein for now,

but use butter (the fat) all you want.

A vegetarian diet can work but as I stated a few days ago you still need

lots of protein (beans) and fat (coconut is good). I'm thinking more now

that the excessive consumption of white meat (chicken and turkey) may be a

problem. Hypers would be better off eating the dark meat from poultry, and

seafood for both the protein and trace minerals.

[Guest guest]

, actually I am type A and the macrobiotic diet really goes along

with the Blood Type Diet. So, I am confused. What type are you? The big

changes I made were to stop dairy (except for some cheating on weekends

when I go out to eat) and the soft drinks. Maybe I will try it strictly

again and see what happens.

The hair analysis report told me to stop soy and fruit juices which are

supposed to be good on the blood type diet. I was using soy as a lot of

the protein.

I guess I am confused. When you are imbalanced, you do have to make some

changes. Now, I guess I will follow the hair analysis.

Deb

,

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks for the comments...and thank you for this group. I really

appreciate it. Yes, my chromium level was way down also. I feel better

with the diet and herbs (not so shaky), but my pulse has stayed up. I

am going to continue the Indural until I see a change. (I have to work

in the yard sometime!)

Why the white meat comment?

Deb

[Guest guest]

Hi Debbie, I sent my hair analysis in today, Saturday, to King james

medical laboratories. I wonder how long I have to wait until the

results are back. I have been taking the copper since mid-December and

the cal/mag, PABA, Multivitamins and minerals since january. I know

that it takes 10 days to rebuild protein, 13 days to rebuild calcium.

Well, I can hardly wait. This way I'll be able to determine the mercury

levels as well as the minerals. My new medical person, I just happen to

pick out with the new insurance (that ends at the end of March since I

was fired) knows people who practice alternative medicine. She told me

that a a Bickle, PH.D. is given Fed. grants to check out the

mercury levels and such on folks and herself had her almalgams taken

out and is a new person. Hmm. Just passing that along with thought.

I'll give her a call soon. This is Portland, Oregon signing off. Swan

debspiritwalke-@... (deborah white) wrote:

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> Swan,

> Yes, my hair analysis said to stop the soy for 4 days, then only once

> every 3 days. It is supposed to decrease thyroid activity and produce

> hypo symptoms. That may not be good if you were hypo first before

> becoming hyper.

> It can be confusing and sometimes I wonder if I can eat anything.

>

> I have had my 3rd acupuncture treatment, am taking Chinese herbs and

am

> seeing no change yet. I am a little discouraged, but it is slower than

> Western medicine, I guess.

> Deb

>

[Guest guest]

Dale I don't know much about hair tests, except that employers sometimes use

them to do drug testing of employees. Hair tests are unique in that they can

detect chemicals in the body from many months in the past.

What substance is your doctor going to measure in your hair?

-gts

Hair Analysis

> Gordon, et al,

>

> The doc I am seeing has asked me to send some hair in for analysis. I

> have never really done much research on the subject, but know it is very

> controversial. I would like to opinion of the list, especially anyone

> who has had it done, about the value of such a test.

>

> Thanks in advance

>

> Dale

>

[Guest guest]

> The doc I am seeing has asked me to send some hair in for analysis. I

> have never really done much research on the subject, but know it is very

> controversial. I would like to opinion of the list, especially anyone

> who has had it done, about the value of such a test.

Dale:

What will the hair be tested for? This is important to know in order to

accurately answer whether or not hair is a viable tissue for analysis. I

pasted in a recent abstract below which supports the use of hair for testing

several steroids. Not too many physicians have the kind of equipment to do

this type of testing. Find out what hormones, etc your doc is looking to

test and the procedures or methods that will be used. A quick call to the

lab that analyzes the hair can get you this info.

Later,

Tom

Incledon, MS, RD, LD, LN, CSCS, NSCA-CPT

Director of Sports Nutrition

Human Performance Specialists, Inc.

619 NW 90th Terrace

Plantation, FL 33324

954-577-0689

hpsinc@...

TITLE: GC-MS determination of steroids related to androgen biosynthesis in

human hair with pentafluorophenyldimethylsilyl-trimethylsilyl

derivatisation.

AUTHORS: Choi MH; Chung BC

AUTHOR AFFILIATION: Bioanalysis and Biotransformation Research Center,

KIST, Cheongryang, Seoul, Korea.

SOURCE: Analyst 1999 Sep;124(9):1297-300

CITATION IDS: PMID: 10736853 UI: 20201092

ABSTRACT: An efficient method for the simultaneous determination of eight

steroids, androstenedione, dihydrotestosterone (DHT), dehydroepiandrosterone

(DHEA), testosterone, androsterone, etiocholanolone, progesterone and

pregnenolone, in human hair by gas chromatography-mass spectrometry (GC-MS)

using d3-testosterone as internal standard is described. The method involves

alkaline digestion, liquid-liquid extraction and subsequent conversion to

mixed pentafluorophenyldimethylsilyl-trimethylsilyl (flophemesyl-TMS)

derivatives for sensitive analysis in the selected ion monitoring (SIM)

mode. This method showed good overall repeatability and reproducibility of

4.88-11.24 and 3.19-9.58%, respectively. For the first time, the

quantification of DHT, DHEA and pregnenolone in human hair has been achieved

by GC-MS, testosterone was also quantified. The detection of four steroids

in hair samples was possible in the concentration range 0.12-8.45 ng g-1.

The other four steroids, androstenedione, androsterone, etiocholanolone and

progesterone, were not detected. The detection limits for SIM of the

steroids varied in the range 0.02-0.5 ng g-1, and the SIM responses were

linear with correlation coefficients varying from 0.991 to 0.996 for most of

the steroids studied. The concentrations of the four steroids detected were

different in male and female hair samples.

[Guest guest]

Gordon,

I believe it is going to be used to test for heavy metals. I'm not sure, but I

will check some more.

Dale

gordon wrote:

> Dale I don't know much about hair tests, except that employers sometimes use

> them to do drug testing of employees. Hair tests are unique in that they can

> detect chemicals in the body from many months in the past.

>

> What substance is your doctor going to measure in your hair?

>

> -gts

>

> Hair Analysis

>

> > Gordon, et al,

> >

> > The doc I am seeing has asked me to send some hair in for analysis. I

> > have never really done much research on the subject, but know it is very

> > controversial. I would like to opinion of the list, especially anyone

> > who has had it done, about the value of such a test.

> >

> > Thanks in advance

> >

> > Dale

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

> I believe it is going to be used to test for heavy metals. I'm not sure,

but I

> will check some more.

>

> Dale

Maybe this test will show what knocked out your T production, if anything.

-gts

[Guest guest]

Gordon,

Here is the reply from the doc about hair analysis:

The hair analysis is a screen for

heavy metal toxicity. The test covers a range of metals to which we have

environmental exposure, including mercury, lead, cadmium, nickel,

titanium, tin, bismuth (and maybe a couple of others which do not spring

readily to mind). The first three especially are important but

underdiagnosed causes of a wide range of problems. In addition, the hair

analysis covers a large number of essential, normal minerals as well.

While it is not diagnostic, it is useful as a screen for deficiencies, and

sometimes patterns of highs and lows can be hints as to metabolic stresses

or allergic patterns. I hope this is useful to you. I'm trying to look a

little below the surface of the symptoms with this.

I'll let you know the results.

Dale

[Guest guest]

I just read somewhere (maybe Consumer Reports?) that it has been

proven than hair analysis is not reliable. They sent hair samples to

several different companies and they all came back with different

results..

> Does anyone know of a reliable company you can send a hair sample

to

> for hair analysis?

[Guest guest]

>Does anyone know of a reliable company you can send a hair sample to

>for hair analysis?

>

great smokies lab.....

they can talk to you about what makes the test inaccurate.

dont know if they will sell direct or not, but there is a kit available @ ER4YT

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[Guest guest]

Steve

There is an article in the November 2000 issue of Townsend Newsletter

that states that the problem is not with the hair analysis but rather it

is the method that was used to collect the hair samples. Hair analysis

with properly collected samples is accurate.

Phil

" R. Bullock " wrote:

> Tom,

>

> You may not have heard that hair analysis has been recently found to

> be

> totally unreliable. You may want additional tests to confirm the fact

> that

> you have a build up of heavy metals in your body before embarking on

> this

> therapy. Steve B.

> New member

>

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > I am a sick Gulf War Vet, I have been battling this illness for 2

> years

> > > now, I have gone through treatments for

> > > fungus(yeast), virus', and mycoplasma(fermentans). All treatments

> went

> > > good and I was really improving, and when the improving stopped my

> Dr

> > > checked me for heavy metals, my hair showed high levels of

> mercury,

> > > arsenic, antimony, bismuth, and tin with lower levels of other

> metals.

> > > I'm in the process of getting my amalgams changed. After this is

> done,

> > > I'm planning to try DMSA for chelation, has anybody here have any

> > > experience with it? bad results? good results?

> > > I want to do this as safe as possible, I have read through Andy

> > Cutlers,

> > > Ziff, and Huggins' books. The books just don't provide you with

> real

> > > world experience.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Tom

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences

> with each

[Guest guest]

Phil,

So what your saying is the AMJ publishes less reliable information than the

Townsend Newsletter (probably has vested interest in hair analysis). Steve

B.

New member

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > I am a sick Gulf War Vet, I have been battling this illness for 2

> > years

> > > > now, I have gone through treatments for

> > > > fungus(yeast), virus', and mycoplasma(fermentans). All treatments

> > went

> > > > good and I was really improving, and when the improving stopped my

> > Dr

> > > > checked me for heavy metals, my hair showed high levels of

> > mercury,

> > > > arsenic, antimony, bismuth, and tin with lower levels of other

> > metals.

> > > > I'm in the process of getting my amalgams changed. After this is

> > done,

> > > > I'm planning to try DMSA for chelation, has anybody here have any

> > > > experience with it? bad results? good results?

> > > > I want to do this as safe as possible, I have read through Andy

> > > Cutlers,

> > > > Ziff, and Huggins' books. The books just don't provide you with

> > real

> > > > world experience.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Tom

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences

> > with each

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi folks,

I could write this in reply to a lot of posts but I won't. But just to make

people aware....the QXCI will supposedly tell you with 85- 90% accuracy

whether you have mercury or anything else of interest, for hundreds or

thousands of imbalances like minerals, vitamins, allergies, emotional

blocks, etc. etc. etc.....ad infinitum, and then for god's sake it treats

you for the problem and retests and tells you how it did! I know this is

hard to believe , but that doesn't mean it isn't true.

After two weeks and four sessions, it seems to be making a difference for

me. I guess there is some controversy though regarding how beneficial it

is, in less than expert hands. And there are other machines out there that

also do diagnosis and treatment together...like F Scan, but without telling

you what they're treating for.

P.

P.

Hair Analysis

List,

Where can we have the hair analysis done?

Erma

[Guest guest]

Dear hair testers,

One way to help us to get some money for our clinic is to use our hair

test...

Thanks.

M.D.

P.S. We are using Doctors Data ( I think is the most professional and

reliable laboratory... please check the web place: www.doctorsdata.com

M.D.

www.cancer-alternatives.com

Here is a reply pasted:

I am an M.D. using the services of Doctors Data Laboratories. I can send to

you an envelope with instructions, a paper scale and you will send the hair

sample from your place. I will receive the results and send it to you via

E-mail or fax. The current cost for a hair analysis is 125 dollars, but i

can give you this test (If I pay it with my credit card) for 86.00 dollars.

You will need to deposit to my bank account or send me a money order for the

c. card payment.

Hope this helps...

M.D.

P.S. the web address for the lab. is:

www.doctorsdata.com

Do we know of a source for having a hair test via mail? I'm just sure we

don't have to have a MD's prescription for that. Several years ago, I had a

Ph. D. in Nutrician and supplements clip off some of my hair, sent it off

and got a report; not an MD, no prescription. Obie.

Hair Analysis

List,

Where can we have the hair analysis done?

Erma

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[Guest guest]

Hi Chris

The first hair analysis that we had done was performed by " Great Smokies Diagnostic Laboratories " , 63 Zillicoa St, Asheville, NC 28801-1074. That was about two years ago and cost NZ$165 ( about US$85 at that time).

The second one in March this year was by " Doctors Data Inc " 3755 Illinois Avenue, St., IL 60174-2420. Email: inquiries@.... This cost NZ$120 (about US$50 at current exchange rates). Our GP had switched labs because she preferred the range of elements tested and the reports from this one.

A major problem with hair analysis is finding a Doctor who can usefully interpret the results and determine what nutritional changes and supplements are required for health improvement. I understand that US Medical Schools are like NZ ones and largely ignore Human Nutrition as part of the course. You really need a Doctor with a Postgrad Diploma in Nutrition.

Those Doctors who carry out chelation to ACAM protocols are usually competent to advise on necessary treatment and supplementation of essential nutrients. www.dormanpub.com has a list of 21 practitioners in NC who carry out chelation.

Merv (husband of Vicky in NZ )

[Guest guest]

> I am under the impression that the hair analysis is virtually

useless.

>

> Judy

I considered doing the same thing (hair analysis) but I bounced it

off of 's psychiatrist, and he said the same thing --

'useless.' He said 'Try it if you want to, but you'll be wasting

alot of money and will receive confusing information.' I tend to

believe him. I don't think there's been enough clinical trials in

herbal medicines or training in the field of nutrition. However, if

it works for you and your child, by all means, give it a shot.

Joni

[Guest guest]

How much does a hair analysis cost now? I have not had one for 18 or

19 years. I plan to stop by at my natropath's office Monday to

schedule for a hair analysis. I have read in his office, from a

brochure, to wash own hair with a baby shampoo to neutralize the

effects of the reading. The hair is more ph balanced. This way it

will be more accurate to detect which minerals, etc. is high or low in

the body.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

,

I can't remember how much my hair analysis cost ($100.00 -$200.00?). You

need to request from your N.D. to send the hair for analysis to one of the

places that suggests on his website. Apparently the outcomes can be

very different if they wash your samples in a solution or not before they

analyze it. My analysis was sent to Trace Elements, Inc. (Tei). Good Luck!

[Guest guest]

:

Oh gosh it'll be a strain on my budget! :-) I'll start reading

's website thoroughly this weekend and then talk to my natropath about

it.

Thanks again,

Tmmw71@... wrote:

,

I can't remember how much my hair analysis cost ($100.00 -$200.00?).

You

need to request from your N.D. to send the hair for analysis to

one of the

places that suggests on his website. Apparently the

outcomes can be

very different if they wash your samples in a solution or not before

they

analyze it. My analysis was sent to Trace Elements, Inc.

(Tei). Good Luck!

[Guest guest]

I had a hair analysis done..it showed adrenal insufficiency of the third and

worst stage, too much calcium not enough other minerals and toxic levels of

aluminum. They suggest some vitamins.. where do ya'll think the best place

to buy them is? The doctor said Swansons or vitamin shoppe. He said there are

other good ones..he feels they are all about the same. What do ya'll think?

thanks Kim I typed results below

It was done by Analytical Research Labs, Inc in Phoenix Az..

Calcium 69.0 normal 40

Magnesium 3.0 normal 6

Sodium 8.0 normal 25

Potassium 3.0 normal 10

Iron 2.3 normal 3.5

Manganese 0.04 normal 0.04

Zinc 18.0 normal 20

Chromium 0.04 normal 0.12

Selenium 0.10 normal 0.18

Phosphorus 12.0 normal 16.0

Nickel 0.04 normal 0.10

Cobalt 0.007 normal 0.04

Molybdenum 0.01 normal 0.11

Lithium 0.003 normal 0.2

Boron 0 normal 0.2

Aluminum 2.54

0 Lead, Mercury, Cadmium or Arsenic detected

It also gives ratios of how what is affecting what say calcium to magnesium

etc..

[Guest guest]

>>> Re: hair analysis

>>>

>>>

>>>I had a hair analysis done..it showed adrenal

>>>insufficiency of the third and

>>>worst stage, too much calcium not enough other minerals

>>>and toxic levels of

>>>aluminum. They suggest some vitamins.. where do ya'll

>>>think the best place

>>>to buy them is? The doctor said Swansons or vitamin

>>>shoppe.

Vitamin Shoppe is a very nice outlet with lots of stores in the NorthEast.

The best thing about their program is that you get coupons after you buy

about $100.00 worth plus the monthly specials to card-holders only. But

will vitamins alone help your adrenal issue?

Sue