Re: Antibodies in Hashimoto's

[Guest guest]

Is there any support for taking selenium to address high levels of peroxidase

antibodies? I recently began taking 200 mg a day, but truthfully, haven't

educated myself enough regarding its effectiveness.

> ... I feel quite frustrated for the antibodies. How can i make clear of

> it? And how much of dosage for the thryroid medications does i take to stop

the

> attack by the antibodies?

The medication does not reduce the antibodies. All it does is replace the

hormones that the wounded thyroid would be making. If anything, antibodies can

attack the medication and skew the indicators, such as TSH.

Antibodies can, on rare occasions, subside on their own after a temporary flare

up. The more common course is for the antibodies to persist until they

eventually destroy the thyroid gland and then subside. This can take many

months, depending on the severity of the antibody events. As thyroid function

fails, you may need several adjustments to your medication dosage.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

ledbyrain wrote:

> Is there any support for taking selenium to address high levels of peroxidase

antibodies? I recently began taking 200 mg a day,

> but truthfully, haven't educated myself enough regarding its effectiveness.

That effect on antibodies has only been suggested in a preliminary study. It

needs to be verified in more involved double-blind studies. Although selenium

plays a part in immune function, the issue with Hashi's is more of scrambled

identification than bulk functioning. If anything, an autoimmune condition would

more accurately be described as OVER functioning. So, I have doubts about this

being true.

OTOH, selenium is critical in T4-T3 conversion. That justifies getting an

adequate supply, if you are hypoT. It has also been touted as an antioxidant,

but that benefit tends to saturate with something as simple as a multi-vitamin.

BTW 200 mg would be poisonous. The safe limit is 200 mcg per day. The hazards of

taking more than that have been verified in an recent study.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Chuck, for answering another question. And yes, the unit I meant was

mcg, not mg. Sorry for the confusion.

To everyone in the group, I very much appreciate your feedback on the questions

I've posted. It's been a real source of support for me as I've started to learn

about this disorder.

That said, I have a few more questions that I hope the group can help with:

1. I was speaking with a friend - an herbalist, by the way, but I don't want to

start any more trouble . She suggested that asking an " injured " thyroid to do

more (i.e., by taking levothyroxine) without also providing adrenal support

could lead to adrenal exhaustion. Does this have any merit? It worried me that I

could be causing additional damage to my system. She also suggested that

saturated fat was important for adrenal function (but this was part of another

discussion regarding the eating restrictions of " Eat to Live, " a nutritional

purgatory my husband and I are subjecting ourselves to for 6 weeks).

2. Is there a recommended amount of time to wait before attempting pregnancy

once the TSH level is normal (which mine was after a few weeks, although, as

Chuck noted, the results may be falsely low due to high antibodies)?

3. I've stopped eating walnuts and soy products that aren't fermented. Do other

people avoid these foods as well or is this overly scrupulous?

Thanks in advance for your help!

> Is there any support for taking selenium to address high levels of peroxidase

antibodies? I recently began taking 200 mg a day,

> but truthfully, haven't educated myself enough regarding its effectiveness.

That effect on antibodies has only been suggested in a preliminary study. It

needs to be verified in more involved double-blind studies. Although selenium

plays a part in immune function, the issue with Hashi's is more of scrambled

identification than bulk functioning. If anything, an autoimmune condition would

more accurately be described as OVER functioning. So, I have doubts about this

being true.

OTOH, selenium is critical in T4-T3 conversion. That justifies getting an

adequate supply, if you are hypoT. It has also been touted as an antioxidant,

but that benefit tends to saturate with something as simple as a multi-vitamin.

BTW 200 mg would be poisonous. The safe limit is 200 mcg per day. The hazards of

taking more than that have been verified in an recent study.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

You're on the right track, but having a " good " TSH is not the whole story.

You really need the FreeT3 and FreeT4 too. You also need to get a copy of the 

lab

sheet so that you can see your results next to the normal range for that lab.

Otherwise

having the doctor tell you your TSH is good is really not knowing anything about

your thyroid, just that it is calling for thyroid stimulating hormone.

 

Staying away from goitrogens is good, but you can have some in moderation.

Staying away from non fermented soy is really essential.

 

I had three miscarriages before I had enough thyroid treatment to become

pregnant and carry to term. As for the adrenals, I think it's a good idea to

have them tested.

The answer will either be they are all right or not and they can be treated if

not.

 

Roni

From: " ledbyrain@... " <ledbyrain@...>

hypothyroidism

Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 5:40 PM

Subject: Re: Antibodies in Hashimoto's

Thank you, Chuck, for answering another question. And yes, the unit I meant was

mcg, not mg. Sorry for the confusion.

To everyone in the group, I very much appreciate your feedback on the questions

I've posted. It's been a real source of support for me as I've started to learn

about this disorder.

That said, I have a few more questions that I hope the group can help with:

1. I was speaking with a friend - an herbalist, by the way, but I don't want to

start any more trouble . She suggested that asking an " injured " thyroid to do

more (i.e., by taking levothyroxine) without also providing adrenal support

could lead to adrenal exhaustion. Does this have any merit? It worried me that I

could be causing additional damage to my system. She also suggested that

saturated fat was important for adrenal function (but this was part of another

discussion regarding the eating restrictions of " Eat to Live, " a nutritional

purgatory my husband and I are subjecting ourselves to for 6 weeks).

2. Is there a recommended amount of time to wait before attempting pregnancy

once the TSH level is normal (which mine was after a few weeks, although, as

Chuck noted, the results may be falsely low due to high antibodies)?

3. I've stopped eating walnuts and soy products that aren't fermented. Do other

people avoid these foods as well or is this overly scrupulous?

Thanks in advance for your help!

> Is there any support for taking selenium to address high levels of peroxidase

antibodies? I recently began taking 200 mg a day,

> but truthfully, haven't educated myself enough regarding its effectiveness.

That effect on antibodies has only been suggested in a preliminary study. It

needs to be verified in more involved double-blind studies. Although selenium

plays a part in immune function, the issue with Hashi's is more of scrambled

identification than bulk functioning. If anything, an autoimmune condition would

more accurately be described as OVER functioning. So, I have doubts about this

being true.

OTOH, selenium is critical in T4-T3 conversion. That justifies getting an

adequate supply, if you are hypoT. It has also been touted as an antioxidant,

but that benefit tends to saturate with something as simple as a multi-vitamin.

BTW 200 mg would be poisonous. The safe limit is 200 mcg per day. The hazards of

taking more than that have been verified in an recent study.

Chuck

   

   

   

   

 

[Guest guest]

> 1. I was speaking with a friend - an herbalist, by the way, but I don't want

to start any more trouble . She suggested that asking an " injured " thyroid to

do more (i.e., by taking levothyroxine) without also providing adrenal support

could lead to adrenal exhaustion. Does this have any merit? It worried me that I

could be causing additional damage to my system. She also suggested that

saturated fat was important for adrenal function (but this was part of another

discussion regarding the eating restrictions of " Eat to Live, " a nutritional

purgatory my husband and I are subjecting ourselves to for 6 weeks).

it has a lot of merit ...in the patient information leaflet for thyroxine

replacement it says (words to the effect) do not take this medication if adrenal

function is impaired.

your herbalist is also correct regarding saturated fat ...saturated fat, vitamin

c and unrefined sea salt are three vital elemnts for the adrenals. the adrenals

are the biggest user of vit c in the body. vitamin b5 is another vital

component of adrenal health. try and make sure the saturated fat of your choice

is organic.

steroid hormones are created from cholesterol in a hormonal cascade (cholesterol

to progesterone then to cortisol, testosterone, estrogens) ...cholesterol is the

" mother " substance ...good levels of good quality cholesterol are essential to

health. (the idea that cholesterol causes heart disease was a scam to market

sell statin drugs and it was based on more flawed so called scientific

evidence).

there are many things you can take to support impaired adrenal function however

if i post information regarding some very effective supplements unfrotunately

james will come in with his nay saying of the products so i suggest you join the

adrenals group and check out their files and expertise.

NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

the rule is treat adrenals first and then treat the thyroid ....if you are

producting either too much or too little cortisol (one of the adrenal hormones)

your body will be unable to make effective/optimal use of thyroid hormone

whether it is from your own production or an external source.

i believe goitrogenous foods such as veggies from the brassica family (broccoli,

cabbage) are fine to eat provided they are properly cooked ...probably the best

way to cook them is to steam until tender so that way you retain as much of

their goodness as possible. i would keep eating things like rocket for salads

to just a little now and again. new thinking/research also strongly recommends

going gluten free for people with hashimoto's.

the tsh is a test that tests a pituitary hormone, not a thyroid hormone. it is

not a reliable measure of your thyroid status.

trish

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> That effect on antibodies has only been suggested in a preliminary study. It

needs to be verified in more involved double-blind studies. Although selenium

plays a part in immune function, the issue with Hashi's is more of scrambled

identification than bulk functioning. If anything, an autoimmune condition would

more accurately be described as OVER functioning. So, I have doubts about this

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[Guest guest]

You may well need adrenal treatment if you have an adrenal problem but

I'd question whether your friend really has any notion as to what is

going on. If you don't make T4 [from which your body makes T3] then you

have to take it [or the T3].

As for soy: It's almost impossible to avoid it if you eat any

commercially prepared foods as it is contained in so many products. I

try to avoid it wherever I can.

As for the goitrogens I personally don't pay any attention to avoiding

them. That doesn't mean it's necessarily the best coarse of action but

I personally think that the health benefits of many of them may tend to

outweigh the negative effects. But I could be all wet with that

notion. YMMV.

Luck,

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> ledbyrain <ledbyrain>

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> Mon May 16, 2011 5:40 pm (PDT)

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> Thank you, Chuck, for answering another question. And yes, the unit I

> meant was mcg, not mg. Sorry for the confusion.

>

> To everyone in the group, I very much appreciate your feedback on the

> questions I've posted. It's been a real source of support for me as

> I've started to learn about this disorder.

> That said, I have a few more questions that I hope the group can help

> with:

>

> 1. I was speaking with a friend - an herbalist, by the way, but I

> don't want to start any more trouble . She suggested that asking an

> " injured " thyroid to do more (i.e., by taking levothyroxine) without

> also providing adrenal support could lead to adrenal exhaustion. Does

> this have any merit? It worried me that I could be causing additional

> damage to my system. She also suggested that saturated fat was

> important for adrenal function (but this was part of another

> discussion regarding the eating restrictions of " Eat to Live, " a

> nutritional purgatory my husband and I are subjecting ourselves to for

> 6 weeks).

>

> 2. Is there a recommended amount of time to wait before attempting

> pregnancy once the TSH level is normal (which mine was after a few

> weeks, although, as Chuck noted, the results may be falsely low due to

> high antibodies)?

>

> 3. I've stopped eating walnuts and soy products that aren't fermented.

> Do other people avoid these foods as well or is this overly scrupulous?

>

> Thanks in advance for your help!

[Guest guest]

ledbyrain,

You wrote:

>

> 1. I was speaking with a friend - an herbalist, by the way, but I don't want

to start any more trouble . She suggested that asking an " injured " thyroid to

do more (i.e., by taking levothyroxine) without also providing adrenal support

could lead to adrenal exhaustion. Does this have any merit?...

Not the way you stated it. Taking T4 does not make an injured thyroid do more.

If anything, it gives it a rest. There are reasons why you might need adrenal

support, but they are not a result of taking thyroid medication, unless the dose

is grossly inappropriate. Abnormal adrenal function can affect T4-T3 conversion.

" Adrenal fatigue " is controversial and many doctors do not recognize it. Many

will not accept an adrenal problem unless their tests show clear adrenal

exhaustion.

>

> 2. Is there a recommended amount of time to wait before attempting pregnancy

once the TSH level is normal (which mine was after a few weeks, although, as

Chuck noted, the results may be falsely low due to high antibodies)?

Are you concerned that antibodies will affect the fetus? The real concern is

that hypoT will prevent pregnancy. That can happen even when the TSH is in the

normal range. I would say keep trying.

>

> 3. I've stopped eating walnuts and soy products that aren't fermented. Do

other people avoid these foods as well or is this overly scrupulous?

It might make a difference if you were attempting to get by without taking any

thyroid meds. The effects are pretty minimal. Once you are taking a substantial

dose, there are no effects from these. Fluoride in tea is a more potent

goitrogen.

I do avoid Brazil nuts, which contain the highest concentration of radium of any

food. I can detect the presence of a single Brazil nut in my lab.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

You avoid Brazil nuts but think the radiation from a CT scan is nothing with

which to be concerned? This does not compute with me, Chuck.

 

Roni

From: " gumboyaya@... " <gumboyaya@...>

hypothyroidism

Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 10:50 AM

Subject: Re: Antibodies in Hashimoto's

ledbyrain,

You wrote:

>

> 1. I was speaking with a friend - an herbalist, by the way, but I don't want

to start any more trouble . She suggested that asking an " injured " thyroid to

do more (i.e., by taking levothyroxine) without also providing adrenal support

could lead to adrenal exhaustion. Does this have any merit?...

Not the way you stated it. Taking T4 does not make an injured thyroid do more.

If anything, it gives it a rest. There are reasons why you might need adrenal

support, but they are not a result of taking thyroid medication, unless the dose

is grossly inappropriate. Abnormal adrenal function can affect T4-T3 conversion.

" Adrenal fatigue " is controversial and many doctors do not recognize it. Many

will not accept an adrenal problem unless their tests show clear adrenal

exhaustion.

>

> 2. Is there a recommended amount of time to wait before attempting pregnancy

once the TSH level is normal (which mine was after a few weeks, although, as

Chuck noted, the results may be falsely low due to high antibodies)?

Are you concerned that antibodies will affect the fetus? The real concern is

that hypoT will prevent pregnancy. That can happen even when the TSH is in the

normal range. I would say keep trying.

>

> 3. I've stopped eating walnuts and soy products that aren't fermented. Do

other people avoid these foods as well or is this overly scrupulous?

It might make a difference if you were attempting to get by without taking any

thyroid meds. The effects are pretty minimal. Once you are taking a substantial

dose, there are no effects from these. Fluoride in tea is a more potent

goitrogen.

I do avoid Brazil nuts, which contain the highest concentration of radium of any

food. I can detect the presence of a single Brazil nut in my lab.

Chuck

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