Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 I read that a lot, not sure it is true. Do you think our human design is so flawed? Best Regards Ratliff coconut oil, pick up in Volcan or PC robert.ratliff@... On Tuesday 11 March 2008 10:31:12 annezipkes wrote: > Hi , > > Our bodies do tell us when we are thirsty. However, most people > misinterpret this message as one of hunger. To that end, they eat > something or drink something substantive. Instead, we should be > drinking just plain water. We need to be responsible for re-educating > our physical bodies. > > Enough research has been done to establish a body's hydration needs, > according to body weight. This is simply a goal in the re-education > process. > > Love and Laughter, > Anne > > > > > > > Some people I have known put a squeeze of lemon into their water. > > > Lemon quenches thirst, so people who drink lemon water often do not > > > drink enough water. > > > > > > I find that having a jug of water with me 24/7 and teaching myself to > > > sip water all throughout the day and whenever I turn over at night led > > > me to drinking enough water. > > > > > > Also, caffeine is a diuretic, so people drinking caffeinated drinks > > > rarely get sufficient hydration. > > > > > > Alobar > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 It is not human internal mechanisms which are flawed, it is the lifestyle modern humans have adopted, which push all the limits, as much as possible. Alobar On 3/11/08, Ratliff <bratliff@...> wrote: > I read that a lot, not sure it is true. Do you think our human design is so > flawed? > > > Best Regards Ratliff > coconut oil, pick up in Volcan or PC robert.ratliff@... > > > On Tuesday 11 March 2008 10:31:12 annezipkes wrote: > > Hi , > > > > Our bodies do tell us when we are thirsty. However, most people > > misinterpret this message as one of hunger. To that end, they eat > > something or drink something substantive. Instead, we should be > > drinking just plain water. We need to be responsible for re-educating > > our physical bodies. > > > > Enough research has been done to establish a body's hydration needs, > > according to body weight. This is simply a goal in the re-education > > process. > > > > Love and Laughter, > > Anne > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Patty is 100% correct. The FDA has seized some in the past that were contaminated. Every book that I own that references making your own flavored oils cautions about the botulism risk. > > Fresh garlic and oil are a dangerous combination if left at room > temperature. Because of garlic's low acidity and oil's lack of oxygen, > they can cause botulism toxin to develop. > > http://vegkitchen.com/tips/preserving-garlic.htm > > -Patty > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 No, I think it is a learned behavior from early childhood. And, I think it can be unlearned if human nature would embrace the basic, simple things that our bodies need (no more, no less). We hear the message of dehydration. We just interpret it incorrectly. The human design is not flawed. Environmental components and individual emotional reactions create varying perspectives on values which create varying interpretations. Love and Laughter, Anne > > > > Some people I have known put a squeeze of lemon into their water. > > > > Lemon quenches thirst, so people who drink lemon water often do not > > > > drink enough water. > > > > > > > > I find that having a jug of water with me 24/7 and teaching myself to > > > > sip water all throughout the day and whenever I turn over at night led > > > > me to drinking enough water. > > > > > > > > Also, caffeine is a diuretic, so people drinking caffeinated drinks > > > > rarely get sufficient hydration. > > > > > > > > Alobar > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Ideally, you should sit and rest for about 15 min before taking BP. When you are standing, walking, moving around or especially when doing active work, BP goes up. I just found out recently I was taking my BP wrongly, by sitting and taking it immediately. sol K wrote: > I really shouldn't have written on 1 blood pressure reading. I was just > sort of frustrated. > Today I went to 2 different places, and had on a short sleeve shirt, and > both places had a much > better reading. Higher than I want, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 My BP measures fine when I sit and take it immediately after walking briskly for an hour. I guess my BP might be less than the 101/63 I think it is. However, my pulse measures 76, so I seem pretty relaxed. Alobar On 3/11/08, sol <solbun@...> wrote: > Ideally, you should sit and rest for about 15 min before taking BP. When > you are standing, walking, moving around or especially when doing active > work, BP goes up. > I just found out recently I was taking my BP wrongly, by sitting and > taking it immediately. > sol > > K wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 I have gone to two different naturopathic doctors in the last few years. They both took my blood pressure after I had been lying down for a few minutes. It gives a more consistent accurate comparison from the previous time. Most doctors, or nurses, take it while you are sitting, having just sat down, and they often even have you hold up your own arm! Georgia > Re: blood pressure > > Ideally, you should sit and rest for about 15 min before taking BP. When > you are standing, walking, moving around or especially when doing active > work, BP goes up. > I just found out recently I was taking my BP wrongly, by sitting and > taking it immediately. > sol > > K wrote: >> I really shouldn't have written on 1 blood pressure reading. I was just >> sort of frustrated. >> Today I went to 2 different places, and had on a short sleeve shirt, >> and >> both places had a much >> better reading. Higher than I want, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 I also agree with ; even the oil component of the garlic 'n oil contains fatty acids that break down bacterial cell walls. Storing food in oil has been a common way to preserve it for centuries. Duncan > > > Huh....the garlic doesn't bother me at all. I know of some people > > > > who keep > > > > > it chopped up in olive oil and take it by the spoons full that way. I > > > reckon the oil protects at least the throat. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 The caveat against fresh garlic in oil is that it is not acidic enough to prevent bacterial overgrowth. All commercial garlic/oil preparations today either have acidifiers added or have been irradiated. The danger from botulism comes from home preparations where the garlic/oil mixture has not had constant refrigeration. Here is a relevant quote: http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/NEW00120.html News 04/17/1989 Garlic in Oil Mixes P89-20 Food and Drug Administration FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE W. Lecos (202) 245-1144 Because of a risk of botulism, the Food and Drug Administration today told companies to stop making any garlic-in-oil mixes which require refrigeration for safety. The agency also urged consumers to discard these and similar homemade products. To be safe, FDA said, garlic-in-oil products should contain additional ingredients -- specific levels of microbial inhibitors or acidifying agents such as phosphoric or citric acid. Most garlic products do contain these additives, as disclosed on their labels. But some food boutique or specialty mixes do not include the additives and need to be refrigerated from production through use. Manufacturers, repackers, food distributors and retailers who may handle these products are being notified by FDA that these products should be withdrawn. FDA Commissioner E. Young, M.D., Ph.D., said, " FDA's concern is that many consumers and retailers may consider such products to be non-perishable develop botulism too, Dr. Young warned, advising that these home products " should be made fresh for each use and not left around at room temperatures. " When two men and a woman from Kingston, N.Y., were hospitalized with botulism food poisoning after eating a commercial mix that had not been kept refrigerated, FDA at first issued a warning to consumers March 6 that improperly formulated products left at room temperature may develop deadly botulism toxin. But the agency reviewed these products' safety further and decided to eliminate the susceptible mixes. FDA said studies showed: -- Unrefrigerated garlic-in-oil mixes lacking antimicrobial agents can permit the growth of Clostridium botulinum bacteria with subsequent toxin production without affecting the taste and smell of the products. -- Toxin production can occur even when a small number of Clostridium botulinum spores are present in the garlic. When the spore-containing garlic is bottled and covered with oil, an oxygen-free environment is created that promotes the germination of spores and the growth of microorganisms at temperatures as low as 50 degrees Fahrenheit. Botulism is a potentially fatal food poisoning characterized by blurred or double vision, speech and breathing difficulty and progressive paralysis. Without prompt and correct treatment, one-third of those diagnosed may die. Clostridium botulinum bacteria are widespread in the environment, but their spores cause no harm when there is oxygen in the environment. > > > > Huh....the garlic doesn't bother me at all. I know of some > people > > > > > > who keep > > > > > > > it chopped up in olive oil and take it by the spoons full that > way. I > > > > reckon the oil protects at least the throat. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 Not much of a caveat though, considering the oil itself provides most of the bacterial kill, same as coconut oil Duncan > > The caveat against fresh garlic in oil is that it is not acidic enough > to prevent bacterial overgrowth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 Hey Thanks for this reminder and yes - finding the correct cuff size is VERY important. and I were told this by the pharmacist at Lloyds when we bought the BP monitor. She actually measured both of us as they had different cuff sizes. Dawn, are you using the right cuff size I wonder - especially as you said it almost took your arm off? Luv - Sheilka Hi all,Just occurred to me reading the posts that people may not be aware ofthe importance of using the right sized cuff.I was told for years that I had high bp and was refused my depoinjection because bp was 170/120. Having found this on the net Iinsisted the nurse take the BP again with a larger cuff and it was140/90. Using the right size cuff makes a HUGE difference and doctorsand nurses do not seem to be aware of this and even deny it's true untilthey see the results for themselves. Anyone with high BP please makesure the right sized cuff is being used.Luv No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1389 - Release Date: 21/04/2008 08:34 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 Hi hon Yes I looked at this with interest, they always have to get the mans cuff out for me at the docs, I bought the x large from Lloyds it is just right when I put it on but it is a particularly vicious machine lol. A bit like the one in A + E. I have noticed some are better than others for comfort. Does yours give you pins and needles in your hand? Its wierd but the Omrons up at docs cannot get my BP so maybe it needs to be tight on my fat floppy arms lol. lotsa luv Dawnx > > Hey > > Thanks for this reminder and yes - finding the correct cuff size is VERY important. and I were told this by the pharmacist at Lloyds when we bought the BP monitor. She actually measured both of us as they had different cuff sizes. Dawn, are you using the right cuff size I wonder - especially as you said it almost took your arm off? > > Luv - Sheilka > > > > > Hi all, > > Just occurred to me reading the posts that people may not be aware of > the importance of using the right sized cuff. > > I was told for years that I had high bp and was refused my depo > injection because bp was 170/120. Having found this on the net I > insisted the nurse take the BP again with a larger cuff and it was > 140/90. Using the right size cuff makes a HUGE difference and doctors > and nurses do not seem to be aware of this and even deny it's true until > they see the results for themselves. Anyone with high BP please make > sure the right sized cuff is being used. > > Luv > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1389 - Release Date: 21/04/2008 08:34 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Hi there Marie, stay with the 4 grains for now, you are very likely having an attack this happens some times, an attack could be dizzy spells filling very hot and some times hot around the chest area. these are signs of hash`s. we all get them at some time or other, also the head aches are a sign of blood pressure has gone up, not surprising as the lack of thyroxine will have an effect on the body in many ways. hope this helps angel.Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 I only take thyroxine so cant really comment, I dont think your symptoms are high blood pressure though, but thats just my opinion. I keep asking about HC but no one seems to answer either, sometimes people just dont know and it is all down to trail and error as frustrating as it may be. From: marie simpson <mariesimpson1248@...>Subject: blood pressurethyroid treatment Date: Saturday, 16 August, 2008, 4:09 PM I cant believe that no one had an answer for me .Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Hi Marie - sorry you didnt get an answer. Sometimes this happens - people are not always around but also sometimes we dont have any advice to offer - high BP is probably not an area that many of us have experience to offer! For what its worth most docs tell us that high BP doesnt have any symptoms! Sometimes its worth just reposting if you dont get an answer - sometimes the forum is so busy that posts can get missed - but its not personal - all the people here are volunteers and try to help, but do have to fit around whatever else we have going on. I know its not easy to be patient when you dont feel well though! perhaps you could re post? Gill I cant believe that no one had an answer for me . I hope i am not left out on a limb if ever i need help again. I am feeling slightly betterdue to rest but as regards my medication i am non the wiser maybe iwill have to go by trial and error .thanks for printing me . Marie Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: 21/12/07 13:17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 many thanks angel i was very hot took paracetemol feeling lot better now i think i tended to get a bit edgy because i do want the change to armour/nature throid to work so much and my G.P. is not much help so i only have tpak and all its members to rely on for help. Every one seems to respond so quickly and i felt as if no one wanted to know me . So once again thank you and every one who did reply.The lonely one Marie > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Hi Marie, your blood pressure is normal. I have hypertension so believe me, I know. > > Hi Sheila i had to see my G.P. yesterday as my knees ,hips etc are so > > painful he suggested a referal and i used that choose and book system > > and i have a appointment for September 3rd at Broad Green hip and > > knee clinic. Whilst i was there she checked my Blood pressure and > > said it was up 140/80 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 > > From: marie simpson <mariesimpson1248@...> > Subject: blood pressure > thyroid treatment > Date: Saturday, 16 August, 2008, 9:44 AM > > > > > > > Hi Sheila i had to see my G.P. yesterday as my knees > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Here is a link for reassurance http://www.bhf.org.uk/keeping_your_heart_healthy/preventing_heart_disease/blood_\ pressure.aspx?gclid=CKOk8pn9kpUCFQ1UQgod0nX0Tg > >Hi i have been getting treated for high blood pressure for 6 > > years and it was very high when i was first diagnosed felt like i > > was falling and like i was drunk. but it has stayed level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Hi Marie, Sheila's family has come down from up north and she's taking a minor relief from duty. She's back on Monday. If you think your symptoms may be related to a recent increase in Armour, cut back by perhaps 1/4 to half a tab. The cellular processes that need to take place to restore approximate euthyroidism, can take longer than you hoped for. There's little that can be done to speed up those processes except to be patient. Whilst you are learning how these meds work, you are building up your own history and knowledge base, it's all part of the awakening of your own health maintenance system. Many don't achieve this level of knowledge unless they persist with the learning process. Your doc will be happy that you have acquired extra skills to help him/her keep you well; in doing so you will also educate the doc in the range of things that people can do for themselves. That's a gesture of support from and for the patients and you'll therefore be spreading the knowledge wider. To some extent, you can reduce the effect of either medicines or hormones with some extra fluid (be careful with extra caffeine though, in case the headache is due to caffeine deficiency). I wonder if the pain is from uric acid build up? Gout from excess protein; does 'dilution' help with this pain? best wishes Bob > > Hi Sheila i had to see my G.P. yesterday as my knees ,hips etc are so painful he suggested a referal and i used that choose and book system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 How high was yours when you were put on meds? Mine had never caused my Gp any concern and I have it checked regulary, I would rather not be put on meds as they have their own side effects and can cause more problems a bit like statins do, mine does stay stable though From: marie simpson <mariesimpson1248@...>Subject: Re: blood pressurethyroid treatment Date: Saturday, 16 August, 2008, 7:23 PM > > From: marie simpson <mariesimpson1248@ ...>> Subject: [thyroidpatientadvo cacy] blood pressure> thyroidpatientadvoc acygroups (DOT) com> Date: Saturday, 16 August, 2008, 9:44 AM> > > > > > > Hi Sheila i had to see my G.P. yesterday as my knees> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger .>Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 People do respond fairly quickly although I have looked for advice/help and reasurrance tonight and havent had any! From: marie simpson <mariesimpson1248@...>Subject: Re:blood pressurethyroid treatment Date: Saturday, 16 August, 2008, 7:11 PM > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger .>Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 > > > > From: marie simpson <mariesimpson1248@ ...> > > Subject: [thyroidpatientadvo cacy] blood pressure > > thyroidpatientadvoc acygroups (DOT) com > > Date: Saturday, 16 August, 2008, 9:44 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Sheila i had to see my G.P. yesterday as my knees > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 I know blood pressure had to be very high before symptoms are felt, thus they call it the 'silent killer' The best thing is to get is checked and monitored on a regular basis I guess. You seem to have had some symptoms when it was first diagnosed, there is no history of thyroid conditions in my family that I know of, I seem to be the first, great eh!! From: marie simpson <mariesimpson1248@...>Subject: Re: blood pressurethyroid treatment Date: Saturday, 16 August, 2008, 9:06 PM > > > > From: marie simpson <mariesimpson1248@ ...>> > Subject: [thyroidpatientadvo cacy] blood pressure> > thyroidpatientadvoc acygroups (DOT) com> > Date: Saturday, 16 August, 2008, 9:44 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Sheila i had to see my G.P. yesterday as my knees> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger .> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger .>Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Hi Marie, Personally I only reply to things I have personal experience of and I am sure others are the same, and sometimes even then if I am busy I assume that others will respond & do not not & you do not want a dozen people saying the same thing. Also I get my emails by digest & so cannot see if someone else has already responded. I am sure if you put BUMP in the subject line with the same detail as well, then you will get replies as we will realise that no-one has answered. Val So once again thank you and every one who did reply.The lonelyone Marie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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