Re: Re: new numbers / More ways to heal than you know. O/T

May 15, 2011

Hi , just a few updates on my viewpoint.

YOURS:

And that is why science has developed credible research and the peer

review system. Full disclosure IMHO requires that sufficient

information be given that a properly equipped scientist in the field can

replicate the findings.

MINE:

Peer review and full disclosure is a great idea, exept for the facts that

people are greedy. It has been shown over and over again that people

in the initial trials and in the peer reviews have taken bribes and lied

about medicines and medical products, and people have been harmed

because of this. The system would work if people weren't so deceitful.

YOURS:

That is a profound statement. And that is why I post that we do not

have " scientific proof " [for the theory] that the Earth is spherical

rather than flat. Science realizes its limits; and that it cannot

absolutely prove any theory. That doesn't mean we don't know within any

reasonable limit of certainty that the Earth is spherical; the evidence

is overwhelming. But the recognized limit of science [and logic/math]

is such that we cannot provide absolute proof.

Actually I don't see why that fact would not be comforting to those who

do not have the greatest respect for science. It points out that

science is not absolute; it has recognized limits. That it recognizes

its limits adds to its value and validity IMHO.

MINE:

I think that there are a great many people who don't bother to learn anything

about how things work, much less apply logic to anything. Some of these people

unfortunately, are doctors. Because of the way my body reacts, I research

anything

a doctor rxs for me. I can't begin to tell you how many medications have been

prescribed for me that either promote irregular heartbeats or negatively impact

one

or another of my other health conditions. The doctors don't seem to have any

clue

about what their rxs can do, even when you tell them what it did. Also most

people

I've discovered, have symptoms of this or that, are taking multiple medications

and

never bother to look up the side effects of those drugs. That leads them to

think they

have illnesses they don't have, instead of reactions to drugs that they're

taking, even

though looking it up on line is one of the simplist things to do.

The common factor in all of this is people. Whether the system under discussion

is

peer review, questioning the universe, big bang theory (which I personally don't

think

makes sense) or political systems, the fly in the ointment is always people and

their

ignorance, pettiness, greed and arrogance.

YOURS:

..I'm not at all absolutely confident in our ability to survive. It may

be that our ability to destroy ourselves evolves faster than our

intelligence and knowledge needed to figure out how to not destroy

ourselves. When we approach the time when extremists of any persuasion

may obtain the means of mass destruction and when they had rather

destroy the entire Earth rather than have their dogma be less than top

dog it doesn't look so good. Besides, if intelligent beings were widely

able to survive an industrial and scientific age such as we have now the

Universe should be swarming with civilizations possibly billions of

years older than ours. Yet we fail to find any evidence that this is so...

..

MINE:

I agree with the part about our seemingly determined desire to destroy ourselve

and the planet. I don't agree with the fact that we MAYBE have not got any

evidence

of other civilizations. I think that the older civilizations that are out there

(and I think

they are out there) looks at a stupid, warring, greedy, lying, arrogant

civilization like ours

they pretty much would not want anything to do with us. I'm sure that from the

distance

from which they are probably observing us, it would be difficult to pick out the

people who

are trying hard to be good to others and help this planet to survive and be

healthy.

I would think though, that when the time comes that we develop the propulsion

system

to go and explore real space, that they will not allow us to do that. It would

be foolish of

them to allow our kind of gang mentality to go out there and threaten them. In

the meantime

I think they are keeping under the radar (so to speak) and just watching. Of

course this is

my own theory and not scientific in any way, but I do think it is logical, as

survival is the

prime directive for any civilization, except for the ones that think blowing

themselves and

everyone else to smitherines is somehow admirable.

YOURS:

That's easy to say, but when you're having a discussion with someone who

makes scientific posits but who has little if any grasp of science and

who makes statements of " facts " easily refutable then it becomes

difficult. I personally am interested it strange and different ideas

until I find that they contradict well established principles of science

and physics. When that point is reached [as it often soon is with so

many quack products and processes] my interest wanes unless for some

reason I'm willing to reexamine the principles of physics.

MINE:

True, but when the scientific community announces their new findings,

if you have held onto the old ones too tightly, it can be very depressing.

Case in point - Pluto - was a planet - now no more.

As for love and the Creator, it's a very mixed bag, and I think I will

quote an old friend, who is not with us any longer. " It all depends on

whose ox is being gored. "

By the way if any of you have any ideas or questions about O/T issues,

feel free to jump in and express them.

Having discussions about other things than our illnesses now and then are good

for us and healthy. They distract us from the daily negatives we have to

deal with. Please though, no personal attacks, and nothing taken personally.

My regards back to you, .

Roni

From: <res075oh@...>

hypothyroidism

Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 10:12 AM

Subject: Re: new numbers / More ways to heal than you know.

Hi, Roni. Please see below...

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> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

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> matchermaam <matchermaam>

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> Sat May 14, 2011 6:22 pm (PDT)

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> First, let me say that and I have debated different things

> for a long time. We don't attack one another, just the subject, which

> is the basis of debate.

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And that's the way it should be. We disagree, but along the way I've

developed a great deal of appreciation for you. You have no trouble

being offended if I post a view different from yours and also post why

my view is different. Some of your posits have no support in science.

That doesn't prove they're wrong.

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>

> I believe in open mindedness, and don't believe totally in anything I

> am told by any establishment whether eastern or western or anywhere in

> betweeen. The reason is that although I am interested in everything,

> people are the ones professing this or that, no matter where it's

> from. It's actually the so called authorities on these things that I

> don't trust. Statistics don't lie but people make statistics and

> people lie, and therefore, to me, are subject to question.

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And that is why science has developed credible research and the peer

review system. Full disclosure IMHO requires that sufficient

information be given that a properly equipped scientist in the field can

replicate the findings.

..

>

> There are things my doctors have given me that are supposed to work,

> and clearly with me they either didn't work or I reacted to them at

> even severely reduced dosages. It has taken me a long time to convince

> my doctors that my body reacts weirdly to different things,

> medications and even so called natural things like supplements. Now

> they work with me because they have seen for themselves what happens

> to me. We each have to find our own particular path to health and it

> really doesn't matter which path we use, so long as it helps us and

> doesn't hurt us.

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I've had the same experience but on a much lessor level. I've had my

doctor tell me, " That CAN'T be! " But it was, and I think I MOL

convinced him.

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>

> One cannot state with certainty that this or that is the final answer.

..

That is a profound statement. And that is why I post that we do not

have " scientific proof " [for the theory] that the Earth is spherical

rather than flat. Science realizes its limits; and that it cannot

absolutely prove any theory. That doesn't mean we don't know within any

reasonable limit of certainty that the Earth is spherical; the evidence

is overwhelming. But the recognized limit of science [and logic/math]

is such that we cannot provide absolute proof.

Actually I don't see why that fact would not be comforting to those who

do not have the greatest respect for science. It points out that

science is not absolute; it has recognized limits. That it recognizes

its limits adds to its value and validity IMHO.

..

> The world and the universe and understanding is constantly changing,

> and being open to that change is the (in my opinion) best way for our

> species to survive. We have been compared to weeds by some scientist

> whose name I can't remember. His point was that humans are adaptable,

> and as such insure their survival.

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I'm not at all absolutely confident in our ability to survive. It may