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Thanks for the info Ally, I haven't tried my primary yet, so I will do that

and you are so right about the benadryl, it makes me feel the same way , groggy

and wiped out .

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Thanks Willem for the advice.

I just lost my job and my dogs hind legs stopped working this week. It seems

like everything happens at once sometimes. I have to get him to a neurologist

which will be very expensive but I have no choice, dogs are like children to

me and I have to know I am doing everything I can even if I end up living under

a bridge in the process hahaha. But I do feel lucky to be a responder so far

so I am trying to only focus on that good news at this time and look at the

other stuff as life and its ups and downs.

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Try Melatonin (sp) it's over the counter and is a natural thingy that's in the

brain to make you sleepy. It didn't keep me asleep but it will help me doze

off.

My primary doc says he'd rather I take a prescription sleep med and not take

benadryl for sleep. It makes me groggy for 24 hours, not just 12 and it slows

reaction time, he says worse than drinking the night before, for things like

driving etc.

I don't know why your doc won't give you meds to help sleep. I suggest talking

to your primary care doc maybe to get some. What worked best for me was Elavil,

an old antidepressant that isn't used for depression anymore but works great to

help people with these kinds of problems sleep. It doesn't work for everyone of

course, but it did work for me. Trazadone also works well, as does Ativan. I

know people with end stage cirrhosis who take meds to help them sleep. So I

don't know why your doc wouldn't unless he is just being very very careful with

the meds he gives you. However, you are the only one who can know how your

sleep is going, so either insist with him (he does work for you after all), or

find a suppement doc to work with you in getting the extra meds you need to

sleep.

I get my sleep meds from my primary care physician. My gastro only prescribed

my treatment meds. My psychiatrist and my primary doc did all the other

prescribing (antidepressant, sleeping med, pain meds).

Good luck! Let us know what happens.

Alley

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Try Melatonin (sp) it's over the counter and is a natural thingy that's in the

brain to make you sleepy. It didn't keep me asleep but it will help me doze

off.

My primary doc says he'd rather I take a prescription sleep med and not take

benadryl for sleep. It makes me groggy for 24 hours, not just 12 and it slows

reaction time, he says worse than drinking the night before, for things like

driving etc.

I don't know why your doc won't give you meds to help sleep. I suggest talking

to your primary care doc maybe to get some. What worked best for me was Elavil,

an old antidepressant that isn't used for depression anymore but works great to

help people with these kinds of problems sleep. It doesn't work for everyone of

course, but it did work for me. Trazadone also works well, as does Ativan. I

know people with end stage cirrhosis who take meds to help them sleep. So I

don't know why your doc wouldn't unless he is just being very very careful with

the meds he gives you. However, you are the only one who can know how your

sleep is going, so either insist with him (he does work for you after all), or

find a suppement doc to work with you in getting the extra meds you need to

sleep.

I get my sleep meds from my primary care physician. My gastro only prescribed

my treatment meds. My psychiatrist and my primary doc did all the other

prescribing (antidepressant, sleeping med, pain meds).

Good luck! Let us know what happens.

Alley

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HI.Very much sounds my Doctor.Hew told me that it.s addictive and bad for your

liver.I don.t agree because the insomnia is bad for everything.Try valerian in

combibation with a glass of luke-warm port,a mild shower and have a low

temperature in your bedroom but most important of all is to relax,if you do hve

a partner let him give you a massage and I.am not being funny this time.There.re

techniques to massage the head and so indulging relaxiation and sleep.If you hve

a change take naps in the afternoons.Anyway you lucky girl being a responder now

and another two months you join the club of sustained responder,absolutely

sure.courage,willem.

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I am expereincing insomnia too, real bad. My doctor does not seem to want to

prescribe anything for it and says to take Benadryl. I take two 25mg of

Benadryl but that isnt working anymore. It definitely adds to the exhaustion

level

that you already have on treatment. Anyone know why he might be hesitant? I

checked out as non detectable at month 3 and have 2 monthe of treatment left.

I

was grade 2 fibrosis so stil in a safe zone there. Has anyone tried anything

over the counter that works for them ?

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HI.Very much sounds my Doctor.Hew told me that it.s addictive and bad for your

liver.I don.t agree because the insomnia is bad for everything.Try valerian in

combibation with a glass of luke-warm port,a mild shower and have a low

temperature in your bedroom but most important of all is to relax,if you do hve

a partner let him give you a massage and I.am not being funny this time.There.re

techniques to massage the head and so indulging relaxiation and sleep.If you hve

a change take naps in the afternoons.Anyway you lucky girl being a responder now

and another two months you join the club of sustained responder,absolutely

sure.courage,willem.

Re: Insomnia

I am expereincing insomnia too, real bad. My doctor does not seem to want to

prescribe anything for it and says to take Benadryl. I take two 25mg of

Benadryl but that isnt working anymore. It definitely adds to the exhaustion

level

that you already have on treatment. Anyone know why he might be hesitant? I

checked out as non detectable at month 3 and have 2 monthe of treatment left.

I

was grade 2 fibrosis so stil in a safe zone there. Has anyone tried anything

over the counter that works for them ?

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HI.Sorry to hear about your dog,you must be a good person because you care about

animals.You.ll get rewards for this in a unexpected way.I had dogs and sometimes

it.s a temporarily thing,unless the dog is old.Try a veterinarian and tell him

you have no money,you have a great change that they help the dog anyway or make

a deal to pay later(I owe you thing) when your circumstances have

improved,afterall we.re all people and need to help each other.Sounds stupid but

I hve taken dogs and cats from people who had no money,homeless etc,and took

them to the vet. and they got treated anyway,even operations.Luck will come your

way.Willem.

Re: Insomnia

Thanks Willem for the advice.

I just lost my job and my dogs hind legs stopped working this week. It seems

like everything happens at once sometimes. I have to get him to a neurologist

which will be very expensive but I have no choice, dogs are like children to

me and I have to know I am doing everything I can even if I end up living

under

a bridge in the process hahaha. But I do feel lucky to be a responder so far

so I am trying to only focus on that good news at this time and look at the

other stuff as life and its ups and downs.

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Hi Willem, thanks for the encouraging words, I was able to borrow money from

a friend that I can pay back over the next year so now its just a wait and

see, it can take a while for them to recover and walk again if they are going

too. He was overweight so we have to be strong and keep him on a diet. He is

such

a cute begger that we broke down too many times and fed him when we should

not have.

In a message dated 11/9/03 5:23:55 AM Eastern Standard Time,

lands142@... writes:

>

> HI.Sorry to hear about your dog,you must be a good person because you care

> about animals.You.ll get rewards for this in a unexpected way.I had dogs and

> sometimes it.s a temporarily thing,unless the dog is old.Try a veterinarian

> and tell him you have no money,you have a great change that they help the dog

> anyway or make a deal to pay later(I owe you thing) when your circumstances

> have improved,afterall we.re all people and need to help each other.Sounds

> stupid but I hve taken dogs and cats from people who had no money,homeless

> etc,and took them to the vet. and they got treated anyway,even operations.Luck

will

> come your way.Willem.

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Hi Willem, thanks for the encouraging words, I was able to borrow money from

a friend that I can pay back over the next year so now its just a wait and

see, it can take a while for them to recover and walk again if they are going

too. He was overweight so we have to be strong and keep him on a diet. He is

such

a cute begger that we broke down too many times and fed him when we should

not have.

In a message dated 11/9/03 5:23:55 AM Eastern Standard Time,

lands142@... writes:

>

> HI.Sorry to hear about your dog,you must be a good person because you care

> about animals.You.ll get rewards for this in a unexpected way.I had dogs and

> sometimes it.s a temporarily thing,unless the dog is old.Try a veterinarian

> and tell him you have no money,you have a great change that they help the dog

> anyway or make a deal to pay later(I owe you thing) when your circumstances

> have improved,afterall we.re all people and need to help each other.Sounds

> stupid but I hve taken dogs and cats from people who had no money,homeless

> etc,and took them to the vet. and they got treated anyway,even operations.Luck

will

> come your way.Willem.

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Dear Lonie,

I have found the most wonderful, natural remedy for insommnia and anxiety.

It is called Calms Forte, and it is homeopathic, can be purchased in any health

food store, and costs only a few dollars for a whole bottle. I usually have

no trouble sleeping, but, if something upsets me, sometimes I cannot get to

sleep. I put a few Calms Forte under my tongue, let them dissolve, and, by the

time they do, I am relaxed, dreaming and passed out. If you wake up in the

middle of the night and can't get back to sleep, just take a few more! There

are NO side effects, they are safe for children and pets, and are the MOST

WONDERFUL remedy I have ever come across. My sister told me about them, she

used

to take them for PMS. Take one, they calm you down--two or more work for sleep.

Good luck,

AntJoan

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In a message dated 12/3/2003 8:49:02 AM Eastern Standard Time,

SandyC7606@... writes:

Hi Joan I also you Calms Forte but the directions on mine say to take with

water versus under the tongue. And drinking water at bedtime isn't a good

idea

for me.

Dear Sandy,

I know what the directions say, but I used to see a homeopathic doctor for my

sinuses (he didn't help me at all), and he always told me to dissolve the

remedies under my tongue, so that's how I take the Calms Forte. It works really

great for me like that.

Do you find it helpful? Not only does it help me sleep if I'm upset, but it

gets rid of all the bad feelings before I drift off into a nice, restful

sleep. I swear, I love the stuff!

Take care,

AntJoan

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hi

could you please provide the website that supplies the free download?

thanks

d

>

> From: " jadespring2003 " <jadespring2003@...>

> Date: 2005/01/05 Wed AM 08:27:33 EST

> qxci-english

> Subject: insomnia

>

>

Hi all,

I wrote before about Attractor Field Therapy (AFT) where you can

download for free the manual on the Web. My husband used the sleeping

disorders protocol with tremendous success. After using it three days

in a row he no longer takes any sleep aids (natural of course). The

stuff really works -- I just completed the seven-day Lyme protocol and

am waiting to see how that worked out. The whole idea of an attractor

field being the cause of an illness makes sense. I hope Bill can

eventually incorporate this idea into the QX.

The QX Relaxation/Sleep program works sometimes and sometimes not. I

myself used it last year and there were nites when it seemed to keep

me awake, other nites when I went immediately to sleep. I didn't want

to work on the NLP beforehand because I find using the Qx before bed

can be stimulating.

I have another newsletter on my web site www.jadespring.com which

talks about the QX. Feel free to take a look.

is Rotella, M.Ac.

Arnold, Md.

.............................................

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http://webmail.att.net/wmc/v/wm/41E43F5B000643EC

it's much easier to just write in " Attractor Field Therapy " and

download the manual......can't get any easier than that. is

> hi

> could you please provide the website that supplies the free download?

> thanks

> d

> >

> > From: " jadespring2003 " <jadespring2003@y...>

> > Date: 2005/01/05 Wed AM 08:27:33 EST

> > qxci-english

> > Subject: insomnia

> >

> >

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In a message dated 3/23/2005 12:07:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

alisonjoan@... writes:

Hi all,

this is simply terrible. I have had no sleep ( ok maybe 4/5 hours

total) in the last 4 days. I am loosing it. seeing pink splotches

cause I am so exhausted ( and I am on sleeping meds at that) . Any

ideas of what to do? drs are not listening to me. I cannot keep

going like this. alison

Alison,

I am so sorry you are going through this. There is nothing worse than

sleep deprivation. You need to be on some type of benzo as well, to calm you

down and help you sleep. Klonopin worked wonders for me. When you say the

doctors are not listening, what does that mean exactly? What are they saying to

you? Please hang in there, this is temporary.

Margaret

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Dear Margaret,

I am on a long acting benzo already ( in fact, it is a sleeping pill

benzo) I take it in the day even and only sort of feel the effects. It is

one at night and one in the day. I guess I could try 2 at night but I

really need the one in the day ..so it is a problem of running out. and

because I go to a county clinic they are not going to just give me more.

alison

oh drs are not listening that lexapro is not helping ( I have been on it

for 5/6 months . I cannot tolerate the sides so I am on too low a dose

really..but I cannot get above what I am on or I panic. I asked to

change meds and they refused..lex is a miracle drug to this one Dr. I

called about the sleep more than one time..and I am not getting help)

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:11:40 EST margaretmkelly@... writes:

>

>

> In a message dated 3/23/2005 12:07:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> alisonjoan@... writes:

>

>

> Hi all,

>

> this is simply terrible. I have had no sleep ( ok maybe 4/5 hours

> total) in the last 4 days. I am loosing it. seeing pink splotches

> cause I am so exhausted ( and I am on sleeping meds at that) . Any

>

> ideas of what to do? drs are not listening to me. I cannot keep

> going like this. alison

>

>

>

> Alison,

>

> I am so sorry you are going through this. There is nothing worse

> than

> sleep deprivation. You need to be on some type of benzo as well, to

> calm you

> down and help you sleep. Klonopin worked wonders for me. When you

> say the

> doctors are not listening, what does that mean exactly? What are

> they saying to

> you? Please hang in there, this is temporary.

>

> Margaret

>

>

>

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well the side effect the main thing is that I panic . my anxiety level

goes out the roof ( as if it could get worse than it already is) no benzo

helps it.

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:58:08 -0500 " terry " <terry120953@...>

writes:

>

> I cannot tolerate the sides so I am on too low a dose

> really..

>

> What are the side effects? Terry

>

>

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hi I wish I am on day 7 of almost no sleep ( only a few hours here and

there)alison

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:45:45 -0000 " Kathy " <kaceyr_2000@...>

writes:

>

>

> My Dr. gave me Klonipin for that. I only had to take 1/2 pill.

>

> Kathy R.

>

> >

> >

> > Hi all,

> >

> > this is simply terrible. I have had no sleep ( ok maybe 4/5 hours

>

> > total) in the last 4 days. I am loosing it. seeing pink splotches

>

> > cause I am so exhausted ( and I am on sleeping meds at that) . Any

>

> > ideas of what to do? drs are not listening to me. I cannot keep

> > going like this. alison

>

>

>

>

>

>

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My Dr. gave me Klonipin for that. I only had to take 1/2 pill.

Kathy R.

>

>

> Hi all,

>

> this is simply terrible. I have had no sleep ( ok maybe 4/5 hours

> total) in the last 4 days. I am loosing it. seeing pink splotches

> cause I am so exhausted ( and I am on sleeping meds at that) . Any

> ideas of what to do? drs are not listening to me. I cannot keep

> going like this. alison

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My Dr. gave me Ambrien....

I haven't tried it yet. I want to try to sleep on my own.

Not working so far!

:oP

>

> My Dr. gave me Klonipin for that. I only had to take 1/2 pill.

>

> Kathy R.

>

> >

> >

> > Hi all,

> >

> > this is simply terrible. I have had no sleep ( ok maybe 4/5 hours

> > total) in the last 4 days. I am loosing it. seeing pink splotches

> > cause I am so exhausted ( and I am on sleeping meds at that) . Any

> > ideas of what to do? drs are not listening to me. I cannot keep

> > going like this. alison

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Hi I think the whole thing may be mind over matter anyway. No matter how

many pills I take I can still have insomnia. I was just saying I have not

slept (aside from a few hours a night) for seven days..and I have

sleeping pills and I am takign them as prescribed. still wide awake at

3Am. alison

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:33:18 -0000 " Sandy " <zonks55@...> writes:

>

>

> My Dr. gave me Ambrien....

> I haven't tried it yet. I want to try to sleep on my own.

> Not working so far!

> :oP

>

> >

> > My Dr. gave me Klonipin for that. I only had to take 1/2 pill.

> >

> > Kathy R.

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi all,

> > >

> > > this is simply terrible. I have had no sleep ( ok maybe 4/5

> hours

> > > total) in the last 4 days. I am loosing it. seeing pink

> splotches

> > > cause I am so exhausted ( and I am on sleeping meds at that) .

> Any

> > > ideas of what to do? drs are not listening to me. I cannot keep

>

> > > going like this. alison

>

>

>

>

>

>

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myself and others find it beneficial to take it at

night as it helps us to sleep.

ak

--- dot1022 <dot1022@...> wrote:

> hello everyone.

>

> I have been switched from prozac to lexapro 10 mg

> for about a month

> now. i take it in the AM.

>

> I felt after a few years, prozac was loosing its

> effectiveness for

> me. I must say that I feel much better on the

> lexapro. In particular,

> that dreadful anxiety has eased a great deal.

> My problem is, though I am very pleased, I am not

> sleeping. I am wide

> awake at 2 or 3 in the morning. It is very

> aggravation for me.

>

> Any advice from anyone? Do you think the insomnia

> will ease?

>

> thanks

> dot

>

>

>

>

>

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