Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Hey -- I've heard of magnesium being implicated in these things too and I take supplemental Mg, but as usual the trouble is how much to take, how much is too much, etc... Mg is the thing that Dr. Eades said if he could only prescribe ONE supplement for people, that would be it. Thanks, Laurel > > > > > > the dr told me she was doing a full thyroid panel but apparently that was not what i thought it was - so she only tested the TSH and it was 2.17 (i know, that tells me nothing, right?) > > > > > > also, and i'm sorry if i shouldn't post this here, but my ALT level was 39 (range is 9-33) and my AST was 20 (well within range) - i have PCOS and take metformin and am overweight (have been most of my life) - my dr wants to repeat it in 6 months after diet and exercise changes and hopefully my losing some weight - is there any way that the iodine i'm taking now could cause further liver enzymes to be elevated? If anyone has any experience with this or what to do to lower the enzymes (from what i'm reading it's probably fatty liver related to the PCOS and the extra weight) as it's only slightly elevated. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 - Look for Magnesium citrate, malate, or aspartate and NOT oxide. The oxide form is not well absorbed at all. HTH, Laurel > > where would i find good quality magnesium to take along with my iodine ? the research on this sounds very promising. > > tanya > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 I took magnesium glycinate (oxide is not absorbable), Natural Calm, magnesium gel, and had epsoms salt baths. It took months of dosing 1200mgs daily to get my intercellular levels up. I finally actually had to go in for IV's to get my levels above low normal... 2500mg magnesium sulphate once a week for 3 weeks. It kills me when I read someone write "I tried magnesium for a couple weeks and it did nothing for me." It is just one of those minerals that is difficult to restore orally when a true deficiency exists. Potassium often has to be taken with it since magnesium deficiency almost always means low potassium; B-vitamin also. Magnesium deficiency is like a dam breaking.I suggest you take the only reliable blood test to track your results; Red Blood Cell analysis aka Erythrocyte analysis. You can find it cheaper elsewhere but here it is.http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements/ItemLC080283/RBC-Magnesium-Blood-Test.htmlYou can also have your doctor do a more wide ranging RBC analysis for the other minerals. I do this every 6 months or so. Its the Red Blood Cell Elements at Doctors Data.http://doctorsdata.com/test_info.asp?id=7some reading...http://george-eby-research.com/html/depression-anxiety.htmlFrom: pythonesk <pythonesk@...>iodine Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:45:41 AMSubject: Re: Test results Hey -- I've heard of magnesium being implicated in these things too and I take supplemental Mg, but as usual the trouble is how much to take, how much is too much, etc... Mg is the thing that Dr. Eades said if he could only prescribe ONE supplement for people, that would be it. Thanks, Laurel > > > > > > the dr told me she was doing a full thyroid panel but apparently that was not what i thought it was - so she only tested the TSH and it was 2.17 (i know, that tells me nothing, right?) > > > > > > also, and i'm sorry if i shouldn't post this here, but my ALT level was 39 (range is 9-33) and my AST was 20 (well within range) - i have PCOS and take metformin and am overweight (have been most of my life) - my dr wants to repeat it in 6 months after diet and exercise changes and hopefully my losing some weight - is there any way that the iodine i'm taking now could cause further liver enzymes to be elevated? If anyone has any experience with this or what to do to lower the enzymes (from what i'm reading it's probably fatty liver related to the PCOS and the extra weight) as it's only slightly elevated. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 What worked for me is magnesium oil. There are several types. The one I use is called Ancient Minerals, but there are several different brands. Sprays after shower or bath and let it dry before getting dressed. Stopped muscle cramps and fibromyalgia pain and raised my magnesium results. Fibrojay In iodine , <kennio@...> wrote: > > I took magnesium glycinate (oxide is not absorbable), Natural Calm, magnesium gel, and had epsoms salt baths. It took months of dosing 1200mgs daily to get my intercellular levels up. I finally actually had to go in for IV's to get my levels above low normal... 2500mg magnesium sulphate once a week for 3 weeks. > > It kills me when I read someone write " I tried magnesium for a couple weeks and it did nothing for me. " It is just one of those minerals that is difficult to restore orally when a true deficiency exists. Potassium often has to be taken with it since magnesium deficiency almost always means low potassium; B-vitamin also. Magnesium deficiency is like a dam breaking. > > I suggest you take the only reliable blood test to track your results; Red Blood Cell analysis aka Erythrocyte analysis. You can find it cheaper elsewhere but here it is. > > http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements/ItemLC080283/RBC-Magnesium-Blood-Test.ht\ ml > > You can also have your doctor do a more wide ranging RBC analysis for the other minerals. I do this every 6 months or so. Its the Red Blood Cell Elements at Doctors Data. > > http://doctorsdata.com/test_info.asp?id=7 > > some reading... > > http://george-eby-research.com/html/depression-anxiety.html > > > > > ________________________________ > From: pythonesk <pythonesk@...> > iodine > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:45:41 AM > Subject: Re: Test results > > > > > > Hey -- I've heard of magnesium being implicated in these things too and I take supplemental Mg, but as usual the trouble is how much to take, how much is too much, etc... > > Mg is the thing that Dr. Eades said if he could only prescribe ONE supplement for people, that would be it. > > Thanks, > > Laurel > > > > > > > > > > the dr told me she was doing a full thyroid panel but apparently that was not what i thought it was - so she only tested the TSH and it was 2.17 (i know, that tells me nothing, right?) > > > > > > > > also, and i'm sorry if i shouldn't post this here, but my ALT level was 39 (range is 9-33) and my AST was 20 (well within range) - i have PCOS and take metformin and am overweight (have been most of my life) - my dr wants to repeat it in 6 months after diet and exercise changes and hopefully my losing some weight - is there any way that the iodine i'm taking now could cause further liver enzymes to be elevated? If anyone has any experience with this or what to do to lower the enzymes (from what i'm reading it's probably fatty liver related to the PCOS and the extra weight) as it's only slightly elevated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Did you have serum testing or red blood cell analysis?From: fibrojay <fibrojay@...>iodine Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:27:46 AMSubject: Re: Test results What worked for me is magnesium oil. There are several types. The one I use is called Ancient Minerals, but there are several different brands. Sprays after shower or bath and let it dry before getting dressed. Stopped muscle cramps and fibromyalgia pain and raised my magnesium results. Fibrojay In iodinegroups (DOT) com, <kennio@...> wrote: > > I took magnesium glycinate (oxide is not absorbable), Natural Calm, magnesium gel, and had epsoms salt baths. It took months of dosing 1200mgs daily to get my intercellular levels up. I finally actually had to go in for IV's to get my levels above low normal... 2500mg magnesium sulphate once a week for 3 weeks. > > It kills me when I read someone write "I tried magnesium for a couple weeks and it did nothing for me." It is just one of those minerals that is difficult to restore orally when a true deficiency exists. Potassium often has to be taken with it since magnesium deficiency almost always means low potassium; B-vitamin also. Magnesium deficiency is like a dam breaking. > > I suggest you take the only reliable blood test to track your results; Red Blood Cell analysis aka Erythrocyte analysis. You can find it cheaper elsewhere but here it is. > > http://www.lef. org/Vitamins- Supplements/ ItemLC080283/ RBC-Magnesium- Blood-Test. html > > You can also have your doctor do a more wide ranging RBC analysis for the other minerals. I do this every 6 months or so. Its the Red Blood Cell Elements at Doctors Data. > > http://doctorsdata. com/test_ info.asp? id=7 > > some reading... > > http://george- eby-research. com/html/ depression- anxiety.html > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: pythonesk <pythonesk@. ..> > iodinegroups (DOT) com > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:45:41 AM > Subject: Re: Test results > > > > > > Hey -- I've heard of magnesium being implicated in these things too and I take supplemental Mg, but as usual the trouble is how much to take, how much is too much, etc... > > Mg is the thing that Dr. Eades said if he could only prescribe ONE supplement for people, that would be it. > > Thanks, > > Laurel > > > > > > > > > > the dr told me she was doing a full thyroid panel but apparently that was not what i thought it was - so she only tested the TSH and it was 2.17 (i know, that tells me nothing, right?) > > > > > > > > also, and i'm sorry if i shouldn't post this here, but my ALT level was 39 (range is 9-33) and my AST was 20 (well within range) - i have PCOS and take metformin and am overweight (have been most of my life) - my dr wants to repeat it in 6 months after diet and exercise changes and hopefully my losing some weight - is there any way that the iodine i'm taking now could cause further liver enzymes to be elevated? If anyone has any experience with this or what to do to lower the enzymes (from what i'm reading it's probably fatty liver related to the PCOS and the extra weight) as it's only slightly elevated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 I don't know. The test was part of a series of blood tests. > > > > > > > > > > the dr told me she was doing a full thyroid panel but apparently that was not what i thought it was - so she only tested the TSH and it was 2.17 (i know, that tells me nothing, right?) > > > > > > > > > > also, and i'm sorry if i shouldn't post this here, but my ALT level was 39 (range is 9-33) and my AST was 20 (well within range) - i have PCOS and take metformin and am overweight (have been most of my life) - my dr wants to repeat it in 6 months after diet and exercise changes and hopefully my losing some weight - is there any way that the iodine i'm taking now could cause further liver enzymes to be elevated? If anyone has any experience with this or what to do to lower the enzymes (from what i'm reading it's probably fatty liver related to the PCOS and the extra weight) as it's only slightly elevated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 The standard test for magnesium is serum testing. It tells you nothing basically. Well actually that you took in magnesium in the past 48 hrs or so. Serum testing is like trying to determine your net worth by counting the change in your pockets... Red blood cell analysis on the other hand would be like counting that change, the balances in your bank accounts, your stocks, real estate holdings, etc.If I had fibro... I wouldn't rest until I was sure I had adequate amounts of magnesium in my cells by taking a RBC analysis or magnesium loading urinalysis.http://web.mit.edu/london/www/magnesium.htmlFrom: fibrojay <fibrojay@...>iodine Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:48:10 AMSubject: Re: Test results I don't know. The test was part of a series of blood tests. > > > > > > > > > > the dr told me she was doing a full thyroid panel but apparently that was not what i thought it was - so she only tested the TSH and it was 2.17 (i know, that tells me nothing, right?) > > > > > > > > > > also, and i'm sorry if i shouldn't post this here, but my ALT level was 39 (range is 9-33) and my AST was 20 (well within range) - i have PCOS and take metformin and am overweight (have been most of my life) - my dr wants to repeat it in 6 months after diet and exercise changes and hopefully my losing some weight - is there any way that the iodine i'm taking now could cause further liver enzymes to be elevated? If anyone has any experience with this or what to do to lower the enzymes (from what i'm reading it's probably fatty liver related to the PCOS and the extra weight) as it's only slightly elevated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Thanks for the info. I'll check what type of testing I've had -- both in France and in the States. I do know, however, that I felt considerable positive difference with the liquid magnesium spray, and a definite difference with taking it (which I did) in pill form. As a matter of fact, I've asked my French pharmacy to make the equivalent of what I bought in the States. Fibrojay > > > > > > > > > > > > the dr told me she was doing a full thyroid panel but apparently that was not what i thought it was - so she only tested the TSH and it was 2.17 (i know, that tells me nothing, right?) > > > > > > > > > > > > also, and i'm sorry if i shouldn't post this here, but my ALT level was 39 (range is 9-33) and my AST was 20 (well within range) - i have PCOS and take metformin and am overweight (have been most of my life) - my dr wants to repeat it in 6 months after diet and exercise changes and hopefully my losing some weight - is there any way that the iodine i'm taking now could cause further liver enzymes to be elevated? If anyone has any experience with this or what to do to lower the enzymes (from what i'm reading it's probably fatty liver related to the PCOS and the extra weight) as it's only slightly elevated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Absolutely...bypassing the GI tract is ideal. I use magnesium gel from global light network (1751 mg per teaspoon) on a muscle ache and the pain disappears on contact often. It's amazing.From: fibrojay <fibrojay@...>iodine Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:04:51 PMSubject: Re: Test results Thanks for the info. I'll check what type of testing I've had -- both in France and in the States. I do know, however, that I felt considerable positive difference with the liquid magnesium spray, and a definite difference with taking it (which I did) in pill form. As a matter of fact, I've asked my French pharmacy to make the equivalent of what I bought in the States. Fibrojay > > > > > > > > > > > > the dr told me she was doing a full thyroid panel but apparently that was not what i thought it was - so she only tested the TSH and it was 2.17 (i know, that tells me nothing, right?) > > > > > > > > > > > > also, and i'm sorry if i shouldn't post this here, but my ALT level was 39 (range is 9-33) and my AST was 20 (well within range) - i have PCOS and take metformin and am overweight (have been most of my life) - my dr wants to repeat it in 6 months after diet and exercise changes and hopefully my losing some weight - is there any way that the iodine i'm taking now could cause further liver enzymes to be elevated? If anyone has any experience with this or what to do to lower the enzymes (from what i'm reading it's probably fatty liver related to the PCOS and the extra weight) as it's only slightly elevated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 potassium was checked on my latest bloodwork - sodium was 139 (range of 135-154) potassium was 4.3 (range of 3.6-5.0) chloride was 104 (range of 101-114) they also checked creatinine, bun and calcium, but not magnesium... tanya Re: Test results Hey -- I've heard of magnesium being implicated in these things too and I take supplemental Mg, but as usual the trouble is how much to take, how much is too much, etc...Mg is the thing that Dr. Eades said if he could only prescribe ONE supplement for people, that would be it.Thanks,Laurel> > >> > > the dr told me she was doing a full thyroid panel but apparently that was not what i thought it was - so she only tested the TSH and it was 2.17 (i know, that tells me nothing, right?)> > > > > > also, and i'm sorry if i shouldn't post this here, but my ALT level was 39 (range is 9-33) and my AST was 20 (well within range) - i have PCOS and take metformin and am overweight (have been most of my life) - my dr wants to repeat it in 6 months after diet and exercise changes and hopefully my losing some weight - is there any way that the iodine i'm taking now could cause further liver enzymes to be elevated? If anyone has any experience with this or what to do to lower the enzymes (from what i'm reading it's probably fatty liver related to the PCOS and the extra weight) as it's only slightly elevated.> > > > > > > > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Again that is serum testing. Although not as deceptive as magnesium serum testing...it is still a snapshot of just that day. RBC analysis is an average of mineral stores over the life of the red blood cell. That is 3-4 months. It is the same thing as the diabetic glucose test AC1. Also, think Iron as compared to ferritin testing.On May 14, 2009, at 2:57 PM, <tanyaavera@...> wrote: potassium was checked on my latest bloodwork - sodium was 139 (range of 135-154) potassium was 4.3 (range of 3.6-5.0) chloride was 104 (range of 101-114) they also checked creatinine, bun and calcium, but not magnesium... tanya Re: Test results Hey -- I've heard of magnesium being implicated in these things too and I take supplemental Mg, but as usual the trouble is how much to take, how much is too much, etc...Mg is the thing that Dr. Eades said if he could only prescribe ONE supplement for people, that would be it.Thanks,Laurel> > >> > > the dr told me she was doing a full thyroid panel but apparently that was not what i thought it was - so she only tested the TSH and it was 2.17 (i know, that tells me nothing, right?)> > > > > > also, and i'm sorry if i shouldn't post this here, but my ALT level was 39 (range is 9-33) and my AST was 20 (well within range) - i have PCOS and take metformin and am overweight (have been most of my life) - my dr wants to repeat it in 6 months after diet and exercise changes and hopefully my losing some weight - is there any way that the iodine i'm taking now could cause further liver enzymes to be elevated? If anyone has any experience with this or what to do to lower the enzymes (from what i'm reading it's probably fatty liver related to the PCOS and the extra weight) as it's only slightly elevated.> > > > > > > > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 No I never did. The armour thyroid (getting off synthroid) and taking iodine and cleaning up my diet was enough. Steph Re: Test results Hi - I'm in the same boat as you. I have pcos, hypothyroid, overweight, slightly elevated liver enzymes with suspected NAFLD. I don't take Metformin though. I'm hoping to avoid as many pharmaceuticals as possible. Is Metformin implicated in elevated liver enzymes? I wouldn't be surprised.From *everything* I've read over the years (and it's a lot) pcos patients need to be on a low carb diet. The same diet is supposed to clear out the fat from your liver which should help with lowering the enzymes and with pert' near everything else.You can read about it here:http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/saturated-fat/changing-dietary-trends-and-the-obesity-epidemic/HTH,Laurel--- In iodine , <tanyaavera@...> wrote:>> the dr told me she was doing a full thyroid panel but apparently that was not what i thought it was - so she only tested the TSH and it was 2.17 (i know, that tells me nothing, right?)> > also, and i'm sorry if i shouldn't post this here, but my ALT level was 39 (range is 9-33) and my AST was 20 (well within range) - i have PCOS and take metformin and am overweight (have been most of my life) - my dr wants to repeat it in 6 months after diet and exercise changes and hopefully my losing some weight - is there any way that the iodine i'm taking now could cause further liver enzymes to be elevated? If anyone has any experience with this or what to do to lower the enzymes (from what i'm reading it's probably fatty liver related to the PCOS and the extra weight) as it's only slightly elevated.> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 AND taking magnesium, vitamin C and salt too...we can assume?On May 14, 2009, at 6:54 PM, "ladybugsandbees" <ladybugsandbees@...> wrote: No I never did. The armour thyroid (getting off synthroid) and taking iodine and cleaning up my diet was enough. Steph Re: Test results Hi - I'm in the same boat as you. I have pcos, hypothyroid, overweight, slightly elevated liver enzymes with suspected NAFLD. I don't take Metformin though. I'm hoping to avoid as many pharmaceuticals as possible. Is Metformin implicated in elevated liver enzymes? I wouldn't be surprised.From *everything* I've read over the years (and it's a lot) pcos patients need to be on a low carb diet. The same diet is supposed to clear out the fat from your liver which should help with lowering the enzymes and with pert' near everything else.You can read about it here:http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/saturated-fat/changing-dietary-trends-and-the-obesity-epidemic/HTH,Laurel--- In iodine , <tanyaavera@...> wrote:>> the dr told me she was doing a full thyroid panel but apparently that was not what i thought it was - so she only tested the TSH and it was 2.17 (i know, that tells me nothing, right?)> > also, and i'm sorry if i shouldn't post this here, but my ALT level was 39 (range is 9-33) and my AST was 20 (well within range) - i have PCOS and take metformin and am overweight (have been most of my life) - my dr wants to repeat it in 6 months after diet and exercise changes and hopefully my losing some weight - is there any way that the iodine i'm taking now could cause further liver enzymes to be elevated? If anyone has any experience with this or what to do to lower the enzymes (from what i'm reading it's probably fatty liver related to the PCOS and the extra weight) as it's only slightly elevated.> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Magnesium Oil (Ancient Minerals), Buffered C Powder from VRP.com and a whole boat load of other things on my journey because I was fighting cancer more than anything else. Dealing with PCOS was a bonus that we did not try to fix. Steph Re: Test results Hi - I'm in the same boat as you. I have pcos, hypothyroid, overweight, slightly elevated liver enzymes with suspected NAFLD. I don't take Metformin though. I'm hoping to avoid as many pharmaceuticals as possible. Is Metformin implicated in elevated liver enzymes? I wouldn't be surprised.From *everything* I've read over the years (and it's a lot) pcos patients need to be on a low carb diet. The same diet is supposed to clear out the fat from your liver which should help with lowering the enzymes and with pert' near everything else.You can read about it here:http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/saturated-fat/changing-dietary-trends-and-the-obesity-epidemic/HTH,Laurel--- In iodine , <tanyaavera@...> wrote:>> the dr told me she was doing a full thyroid panel but apparently that was not what i thought it was - so she only tested the TSH and it was 2.17 (i know, that tells me nothing, right?)> > also, and i'm sorry if i shouldn't post this here, but my ALT level was 39 (range is 9-33) and my AST was 20 (well within range) - i have PCOS and take metformin and am overweight (have been most of my life) - my dr wants to repeat it in 6 months after diet and exercise changes and hopefully my losing some weight - is there any way that the iodine i'm taking now could cause further liver enzymes to be elevated? If anyone has any experience with this or what to do to lower the enzymes (from what i'm reading it's probably fatty liver related to the PCOS and the extra weight) as it's only slightly elevated.> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 do you have a recommendation on how much to take - i've found things all over the web that say from 200mg up to 1200mg per day. Re: Test results - Look for Magnesium citrate, malate, or aspartate and NOT oxide. The oxide form is not well absorbed at all.HTH,Laurel>> where would i find good quality magnesium to take along with my iodine ? the research on this sounds very promising.> > tanya> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Dr. Brownstein says 200-400 mg. stephanie Re: Test results - Look for Magnesium citrate, malate, or aspartate and NOT oxide. The oxide form is not well absorbed at all.HTH,Laurel>> where would i find good quality magnesium to take along with my iodine ? the research on this sounds very promising.> > tanya> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Did they check ferritin and iron levels? Ferritin seems to be lowered by iodine. The labs you got don't mean a whole lot w/o frees. I had my % level stay the same until I went from 50 mg to 100 mgs. Steph test results Hi. Before I started supplementing with 50 mg of iodural, I took theiodine loading test and scored 70%. After more than four months of takingthe 50 mg each day, I tested again at 70%. Is it common to test the same?I am about to repeat my blood tests taken about the same time as the lastiodine loading test because my TSH was 8.57 and the doc didn't check freeT3, T4, etc., which will be done this time. My bloodwork also showed someanemia as my white cells were 3.8 (normal is 4.5-10.8) and my red cellcount was 3.99 (normal is 4.20-5.40).I know the high TSH is probably the result of the iodine and from what Iread it should go down in a couple of months, right? But what about my lowblood counts -- any chance the iodine could be causing that?-- Michele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 I can't answer about Iodine pushing you into an anaemic state but this is what I wrote for a friend the other day regarding anaemia: " I’d want to check for folate and or vitamin B12 deficiency. Vit B12 is essential for the formation and maintenance of red blood cells and the maintenance of a healthy nervous system. Most B12 found in plants is not in a form that is easily available for the body…this is why vegetarians are at risk of a deficiency. Oral supplements aren’t easily absorbed either. Enlarged blood cells indicate folate and/or vitamin B12 deficiency. Haemoglobin low and red cells small could indicate iron deficiency. " Trish > > Hi. Before I started supplementing with 50 mg of iodural, I took the > iodine loading test and scored 70%. After more than four months of taking > the 50 mg each day, I tested again at 70%. Is it common to test the same? > > I am about to repeat my blood tests taken about the same time as the last > iodine loading test because my TSH was 8.57 and the doc didn't check free > T3, T4, etc., which will be done this time. My bloodwork also showed some > anemia as my white cells were 3.8 (normal is 4.5-10.8) and my red cell > count was 3.99 (normal is 4.20-5.40). > > I know the high TSH is probably the result of the iodine and from what I > read it should go down in a couple of months, right? But what about my low > blood counts -- any chance the iodine could be causing that? > > -- Michele > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Your Vit D is looking good. Target is 50-70 so you are in the range well. Your TSH is elevated and generally this happens for 6 mos so you may still have a hypo issue outside of the iodine. Your Free T4 is really low. You may feel better in the upper 1/3 of that range. Like around 1.6 or 1.7. Your Free T3 is mid range and the same applies. Being in the upper end of that range will give you energy. I run about 435 but feel great. How do you feel? test results Hi. I have been on iodoral about six months for a multi-nodular goiter. Ihad a thyroid sonogram recently and there was a slight shrinkage in two ofthe nodules. I just received my blood test results and was wondering ifyou could help me interpret them:TSH, 3rd generation: 7.72 H (0.40-4.50)T4, Free 1.1 (0.8-1.8)T3, Free 301 (230-420)Thyroid Peroxidase AB 11 (<35)Thyroglobulin AB <20 (<20)Vitamin D Total 67 (20-100)Vitamin D 25-0H D3 67Vitamin D 25-0H, D2 <4I assume the high TSH with the normal T4 and T3 is the iodine doing itsjob, yes? For how long could the TSH be elevated like this before it'sconsidered abnormal?I have been taking 5,000 units of Vitamin D. With my level at 67, I assumeI should continue at this level, yes?Thanks in advance for any feedback you can offer.-- Michele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 if it is possible she should contact dr berkson .he works with low dose naltrexone and alpha lipoic acid iv.he can prevent liver transplantion. you can go to youtube and search dr berkson and low dose naltrexone and hear him speaks at the ldn confrences. > > I have a cousin with liver cancer. She initially had breast cancer that metastasized. Long story, but she went allopathic and now has decided on natural cures. > > She did an iodine loading test with a 95% iodine sat and 47.7 mg of bromide. She lives in a small town with only one naturopath whom I've encouraged her to visit. With the exception of ATP cofactors, I believe she is taking all the supporting nutrients already. I told her I thought the saturation was bogus considering the high bromide level. With my very limited knowledge, I tried to explain how the iodine is getting flushed out because the bromide is attaching to those receptors in its place. Am I understanding that correctly? She also has my Brownstein book, so I couldn't refer back to it but told her to be certain to read that section. > > My question is that since her liver is compromised by the cancer, is it even possible to detox the bromide? She is on liver support, but I'm not sure that's enough. > > Thanks for any help. She is currently under Hospice care but isn't giving up just yet. I'd like to help anyway that I can however small or limited that might be. They didn't give her much time when they put her with Hospice, and she has gone well beyond that just with natural alternatives and a lot of faith. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Test results I have a cousin with liver cancer. She initially had breast cancer that metastasized. Long story, but she went allopathic and now has decided on natural cures.She did an iodine loading test with a 95% iodine sat and 47.7 mg of bromide. She lives in a small town with only one naturopath whom I've encouraged her to visit. With the exception of ATP cofactors, I believe she is taking all the supporting nutrients already. I told her I thought the saturation was bogus considering the high bromide level. With my very limited knowledge, I tried to explain how the iodine is getting flushed out because the bromide is attaching to those receptors in its place. Am I understanding that correctly? She also has my Brownstein book, so I couldn't refer back to it but told her to be certain to read that section. <<SB>> - Toxic with bromide is anything over 20 so with a saturation that high and a high bromide and breast cancer I would be willing to bet she isn't getting much iodine in. How much Iodine is she taking? Many iodine doctors are recommending 100 mgs for those with cancer. But with her liver being compromised she may need to do 50 or so. Has any one done a liver detox with her? That would be a very good place to start. My question is that since her liver is compromised by the cancer, is it even possible to detox the bromide? She is on liver support, but I'm not sure that's enough. <<SB>> My liver was damaged by radiation treatments too but I have taken 50, 75, 100 and 125 mgs of Iodoral. You just have to make sure that you support the detox pathways with herbs or other products. Thanks for any help. She is currently under Hospice care but isn't giving up just yet. I'd like to help anyway that I can however small or limited that might be. They didn't give her much time when they put her with Hospice, and she has gone well beyond that just with natural alternatives and a lot of faith. Wow I just got to this. How old is she? Sounds like she is stage 4. If I were in her shoes I would hot foot it with all my might to a Gerson Therapy Clinic. They have fabulous results with cancer that others have given up on. http://www.gerson.org/ If you want to know more about Gerson go here for 4 videos: http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=gerson+therapy & emb=0 & aq=0 & oq=Gerson+ther# Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 She is 50. I have looked into Gerson (get their newsletters) as well as Berkson that someone else here mentioned. I called the Berkson clinic this morning. Now she needs to call them, but they can't see her until January. The doctor, however, will review her files to determine if he can even help her before she goes. I'm looking at every angle and will definitely revisit the Gerson route. She hasn't started the iodine yet, but my aunt is trying to locate some where they live. Otherwise, I'll send her some of mine. She lives in a small town with only one naturopath who won't return her calls. So no one has discussed liver detox. I'll mention this to her and make certain she has all the supporting nutrients. I know she takes Vitamin C, I just don't know how much. I know she isn't doing salt, but I will get some of that for her too. I don't think she is on magnesium. I'll find out. Should I also get her some ATP cofactors or wait to determine that she has a symporter problem? Thanks . I really appreciate it. > > > Test results > > > I have a cousin with liver cancer. She initially had breast cancer that metastasized. Long story, but she went allopathic and now has decided on natural cures. > > She did an iodine loading test with a 95% iodine sat and 47.7 mg of bromide. She lives in a small town with only one naturopath whom I've encouraged her to visit. With the exception of ATP cofactors, I believe she is taking all the supporting nutrients already. I told her I thought the saturation was bogus considering the high bromide level. With my very limited knowledge, I tried to explain how the iodine is getting flushed out because the bromide is attaching to those receptors in its place. Am I understanding that correctly? She also has my Brownstein book, so I couldn't refer back to it but told her to be certain to read that section. > > > <<SB>> - Toxic with bromide is anything over 20 so with a saturation that high and a high bromide and breast cancer I would be willing to bet she isn't getting much iodine in. How much Iodine is she taking? Many iodine doctors are recommending 100 mgs for those with cancer. But with her liver being compromised she may need to do 50 or so. Has any one done a liver detox with her? That would be a very good place to start. > > > My question is that since her liver is compromised by the cancer, is it even possible to detox the bromide? She is on liver support, but I'm not sure that's enough. > > <<SB>> My liver was damaged by radiation treatments too but I have taken 50, 75, 100 and 125 mgs of Iodoral. You just have to make sure that you support the detox pathways with herbs or other products. > > > > Thanks for any help. She is currently under Hospice care but isn't giving up just yet. I'd like to help anyway that I can however small or limited that might be. They didn't give her much time when they put her with Hospice, and she has gone well beyond that just with natural alternatives and a lot of faith. > > Wow I just got to this. How old is she? Sounds like she is stage 4. If I were in her shoes I would hot foot it with all my might to a Gerson Therapy Clinic. They have fabulous results with cancer that others have given up on. http://www.gerson.org/ > > > > If you want to know more about Gerson go here for 4 videos: > > http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=gerson+therapy & emb=0 & aq=0 & oq=Gerson+ther# > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 The ATP CoFactors are no more than B Vitamins which will be good no matter what. I would throw the arsenal at her. I used the Metagenics Ultra Clear Plus pH program to clean my liver. It is a 28 day detox program. www.organicpharmacy.com has the instruction manual with the foods to eat when and you take the powder (3 cans) with it. I did it after my RAI treatments when my liver was literally bulging from my rib cage. It worked very well. If you look at my website and see the before picture (improvements page) www.naturalthyroidchoices.com you can see just how yellow my skin was there. That was the first day I started working on my health. Steph Test results> > > I have a cousin with liver cancer. She initially had breast cancer that metastasized. Long story, but she went allopathic and now has decided on natural cures.> > She did an iodine loading test with a 95% iodine sat and 47.7 mg of bromide. She lives in a small town with only one naturopath whom I've encouraged her to visit. With the exception of ATP cofactors, I believe she is taking all the supporting nutrients already. I told her I thought the saturation was bogus considering the high bromide level. With my very limited knowledge, I tried to explain how the iodine is getting flushed out because the bromide is attaching to those receptors in its place. Am I understanding that correctly? She also has my Brownstein book, so I couldn't refer back to it but told her to be certain to read that section.> > > <<SB>> - Toxic with bromide is anything over 20 so with a saturation that high and a high bromide and breast cancer I would be willing to bet she isn't getting much iodine in. How much Iodine is she taking? Many iodine doctors are recommending 100 mgs for those with cancer. But with her liver being compromised she may need to do 50 or so. Has any one done a liver detox with her? That would be a very good place to start. > > > My question is that since her liver is compromised by the cancer, is it even possible to detox the bromide? She is on liver support, but I'm not sure that's enough.> > <<SB>> My liver was damaged by radiation treatments too but I have taken 50, 75, 100 and 125 mgs of Iodoral. You just have to make sure that you support the detox pathways with herbs or other products. > > > > Thanks for any help. She is currently under Hospice care but isn't giving up just yet. I'd like to help anyway that I can however small or limited that might be. They didn't give her much time when they put her with Hospice, and she has gone well beyond that just with natural alternatives and a lot of faith.> > Wow I just got to this. How old is she? Sounds like she is stage 4. If I were in her shoes I would hot foot it with all my might to a Gerson Therapy Clinic. They have fabulous results with cancer that others have given up on. http://www.gerson.org/> > > > If you want to know more about Gerson go here for 4 videos: > > http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=gerson+therapy & emb=0 & aq=0 & oq=Gerson+ther#> > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Magnesium and selenium should help with the antibodies. How about ATP CoFactors? Interesting that Hakala says 10 is now normal. It used to be less than 20 ug/L but maybe they are realizing how toxic people are. It's worth a try to increase and see how you do. If I was in your shoes I might try it. Steph Test Results Hello, I've just received my test results and I would love some comments about them:I have Hashimoto's but I am not taking any thyroid meds. Trying to get adreanal's going again and I have been using iodine (Lugol's) for about 1 year, although I have just recently started the "protocol" with all the supporting vitamins.From Hakala:77% Iodine Excreted20.93 mg Total Bromide0.43 mg FluorideThyroid TestsTSH 6.87 (0.45-4.50)T4 Free 1.1 (0.8-1.7)T3 Free 2.9 (2.0-4.8)TPO-Ab 413 (<35)Thyroglobulin Antibodies <20 (<41)Iron 104 (35-175)CortisolMorn 8.7 (3.7-9.5)Noon 1.2 (1.2-3.0)Even 0.7 (0.6-1.9)Night 0.4 (0.4-1.0)My doctor is concerned with the high TPO-Ab more than the TSH, she recomends continuning with 50 mg iodine and some adrenal support (and the supporting vitamins too).My questions: Should I contine with 50 mg or increase? I know the bromide is high (Hakala said the upper normal is 10 mg.)Do you increase until you have detox symptoms and then stay there until they are gone, then increase more?I am thinking I need to get the adreanals working good (I guess they are ok now) and continue with iodine and then start with thyroid meds, any thoughts on that approch?I also remember reading about LDN being able to lower antibodies, and I thought there was another supplement that someone had success with (in lowering antibodies) but of course I haven't been able to find the messages!! Anyone remember what that was? and if there is a website to help with LDN?I would appreciate any comments.Thanks - B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 here you can find info over ldn http://www.low dose naltrexone.org/index.htm and this is the support group low dose naltrexone/ > > Magnesium and selenium should help with the antibodies. How about ATP CoFactors? > > Interesting that Hakala says 10 is now normal. It used to be less than 20 ug/L but maybe they are realizing how toxic people are. It's worth a try to increase and see how you do. If I was in your shoes I might try it. > > Steph > > > Test Results > > > Hello, I've just received my test results and I would love some comments about them: > > I have Hashimoto's but I am not taking any thyroid meds. Trying to get adreanal's going again and I have been using iodine (Lugol's) for about 1 year, although I have just recently started the " protocol " with all the supporting vitamins. > > From Hakala: > 77% Iodine Excreted > 20.93 mg Total Bromide > 0.43 mg Fluoride > > Thyroid Tests > TSH 6.87 (0.45-4.50) > T4 Free 1.1 (0.8-1.7) > T3 Free 2.9 (2.0-4.8) > TPO-Ab 413 (<35) > Thyroglobulin Antibodies <20 (<41) > Iron 104 (35-175) > > Cortisol > Morn 8.7 (3.7-9.5) > Noon 1.2 (1.2-3.0) > Even 0.7 (0.6-1.9) > Night 0.4 (0.4-1.0) > > My doctor is concerned with the high TPO-Ab more than the TSH, she recomends continuning with 50 mg iodine and some adrenal support (and the supporting vitamins too). > > My questions: > > Should I contine with 50 mg or increase? I know the bromide is high (Hakala said the upper normal is 10 mg.) > > Do you increase until you have detox symptoms and then stay there until they are gone, then increase more? > > I am thinking I need to get the adreanals working good (I guess they are ok now) and continue with iodine and then start with thyroid meds, any thoughts on that approch? > > I also remember reading about LDN being able to lower antibodies, and I thought there was another supplement that someone had success with (in lowering antibodies) but of course I haven't been able to find the messages!! Anyone remember what that was? and if there is a website to help with LDN? > > I would appreciate any comments. > > Thanks - B. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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