T3

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How do you know that you need T3? You need to get a full thyroid

function test to see where your thyroid hormone levels lie. You need thyroid

stimulating hormone (TSH), free thyroxine (fT4) and free triiodothyronine

(fT3). If your doctor (or rather local laboratory) refuses to test for free T3,

you can get this done by having your blood tested through http://www.lab21.com/healthcare/thyroid.php

or you can get tested via 24 hour urine test to see how much T4 and T3 is being

used in the cells through Genova Diagnostics (see our Files section under

'Discounts'). Whichever test you choose to do, when you get the results back,

please post them here together with the reference range for each of the tests

done and we can help you interpret them.

How long have you been taking levothyroxine only? What dose are

you on? When was your dose last increased?

There are a number of conditions that are associated with

hypothyroidism that stop the thyroid hormone from being properly utilised in

the cells. Go to our web site www.tpa-uk.org.uk

- click on 'Hypothyroidism' and then click on 'Associated Conditions' in the

drop down Menu. Read all about these. Also, ask your GP to do the following

tests to see whether any of them are low in the ref. range. These are: ferritin

(stored iron), vitamin B12, vitamin D3, magnesium, folate, copper and zinc. If

any of these are low, you will need to supplement with whatever you are low in,

because any of these will also stop your thyroid hormone from working.

The T3 you have found is NOT the active thyroid hormone that we

recommend. It is a supplement that body-builders use and has lots and lots of

other ingredients. If you are found, through your tests that you need Liothyronine

added to your Levothyroxine, then ask your GP to be referred to an

endocrinologist if he is not happy to prescribe T3 for you himself. It is very

dangerous to take any form of T3 if your body doesn't need it, and this is not

something you can guess at.

Also, members here are not medically qualified to be able to

tell anybody what dosage of T3 they should take.

See what you think when you have checked out the associated

conditions such as adrenal fatigue, systemic candidiasis and mercury poisoning

caused through amalgam fillings that could be stopping your T4 from converting

to the active T3. All this has to be done by a process of elimination to find

the reason why your T4 isn't working.

Luv - Sheila

Hope you can help. Where can I order some T3.

T4 prescribed but not had any improvements. So want to try T4 with T3. I saw an

ad here but do not know if it is any good?

http://www.powerbody.co.uk/product-absolute_nutrition_thyroid_t3_180_caps,71.html

Where to order some T3 and what dosage?

Thanks

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Hi, See files for list of reliable websites. how long have you been taking T4? what is your current dose? what were your blood tests results. many folk don't leave it long enough or are undermedicated. There are also vit and mineral deficiencies candida adrenal insufficiency all of which can preent the thyroid meds working properly. going onto T3 may not be the quick fix it seems and can lead to further problems if used inappropriately. > thyroid treatment > From: a_baker97@...> Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 22:27:04 +0000> Subject: T3> > Hope you can help. Where can I order some T3.> > T4 prescribed but not had any improvements. So want to try T4 with T3. I saw an ad here but do not know if it is any good?> > http://www.powerbody.co.uk/product-absolute_nutrition_thyroid_t3_180_caps,71.html> > Where to order some T3 and what dosage?> > Thanks> > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

[Guest guest]

The free T3 is a LOT iffy and so is the very low below the range

free T4. This is one case where it would have been better starting with 50mcgs

levothyroxine. Tell them to take 200mcgs selenium daily with food and 1000mgs

vitamin C. In fact, if they have a computer, tell them to join our Internet

Thyroid Support Forum by going to www.tpa-uk.org.uk

and clicking on 'Discussion Forum' in the Menu. Tell them to read the

information under 'Hypothyroidism' on the web site before doing that.

Luv - Sheila

Hi,

A friend has just had their blood results and the T3 is 3.8 - no ref range was

given. T4 10.4 (11.4 - 20) and TSH 4.6 (0.8-5.2.

Has just been prescribed 25mcgs of trial thyroxine.

Does anyone know if the T3 looks a bit iffy?

S

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Hi Sheila,

Thanks for that. I did pass on the web site address a few weeks ago ans she did

say that she had not got around to it. I will give her a nudge.

Also if you see this first can you check your emails.

Thanks

Stacey

[Guest guest]

Hi Stacey, Pity there is no range- but range is usually about 3.5-6.5 so is bumping along the bottom as is the FT4. I would have expected the FT3 to be higher in this case as there is still a reasonable amount of T4 available. This needs watching- it may well rise as more T4 becomes available- dose increase and retesting in 6 weeks. > thyroid treatment > From: stacey57@...> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 13:11:21 +0000> Subject: T3> > > Hi,> A friend has just had their blood results and the T3 is 3.8 - no ref range was given. T4 10.4 (11.4 - 20) and TSH 4.6 (0.8-5.2.> Has just been prescribed 25mcgs of trial thyroxine.> > Does anyone know if the T3 looks a bit iffy?> > S> > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Anita - if you have been taking levothyroxine for some time

and you still don't feel a lessening of your symptoms, I doubt if increasing it

to 100mcgs will make much difference. However, it might, so yes, I would

persevere for the six weeks until you get y our next blood test results.

However, blood test results often come back showing they are within the normal

range and your GP will then probably just tell you to stay on 100mcgs. You may

have continuing symptoms, and if you do, then press for a referral to an

endocrinologist (preferably of your choice) or see somebody privately. NHS

doctors are afraid to increase your dose if your TSH is within the normal

range, because of the recent RCP and BTA guidance on the diagnosis and

management of primary hypothyroidism. They know that some doctors have been

reported to the GMC should the DARE increase the dose, or use a T3 containing

product, either synthetic or natural thyroid extract - so they err on the side

of caution. Many of us have been driven into taking our health into our own

hands to get well again, and get back a normal life. You too may have to be

prepared to do this, but wait until 6h4e 6 weeks have passed. It does take up

to 6 weeks for thyroxine to be thoroughly absorbed as it has a long half life.

When you get these results, post them here on the forum together with the

reference range for each of the tests and we can help with the interpretation.

Once you get on the right dose of thyroid hormone replacement,

you should feel your symptoms subsiding. Everybody is different and we each

need a different dose, and some of us, a different thyroid hormone replacement

to that recommended by the NHS.

T3 is available on many body building web sites. It is the good

stuff - but they use it for an entirely different reason to our use - and no,

not everybody needs the same dose. Some manage on small amounts of T3 where

others need quite high doses.

I know you are impatient to try other products containing T3,

but please wait and see if your new increase will work. Thyroxine works for a

large majority, and it may well work for you. Some people need 50mcgs T4,

others need up to 300mcgs or even more in severe cases. The average dose is

around 125mcgs to 150mcgs.

Let us know what the result of your ferritin level was last

March together with the reference range. Also, ask your GP to test y our

vitamin B12, vitamin D3, magnesium, folate, copper and zinc. If these are low,

no amount of thyroid hormone can get into the cells.

Do the Medical Questionnaires too, you will find these in the

FILES section of the forum. There is one for Adrenals, one for Candida and one

for Magnesium. let us know how you score.

Luv - Sheila

I was surprised to find T3 supplements available on the net.advertised as

" weight loss " drugs!!

http://www.eurosteroids.com/products/338/t3-tablets.html

Is it recommended to take something like this?? Surely not everyone needs the

same dose?

Also, should I start taking ERFA and see if I feel better? Or should I just

wait until my next blood test in 6 weeks time, and see what that shows, how my

Free T3 levels are,and how I feel? Maybe my body will convert the T4?? Or

should I go to see an endo privately?? Can anyone recommend someone good?

My ferritin level was OK in my blood test in March, I take zinc, selenium, have

no mercury fillings, eat a great diet, try to exercise (sometimes tiredness

prevents...)

[Guest guest]

Hi anita, T3 is used inappropriately by some in the bodybuilding circuit which saldy seems to have given it a bad name for appropriate use which is in hypothyroidism. T4 has a long half life of 5-6 days, so any dose increase will take 25-30 days to level out, but you may feel a difference before that. If you can't convert- ie have a tendency to become toxic then body pain may become worse not better. > thyroid treatment > From: anitajaeger7@...> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 11:38:28 +0000> Subject: T3> > Dear All,> > I was researching T3 (my free T3 was low in my blood test last week, and my GP increased my Levo from 75mcg to 100mcg).> > I won't know until my next flood test if I'm converting the T4 into Free T3. I have been taking the increased dose for 2 days. How long will it take until I> a. Start to feel better (less foggy, more energetic, lose the weight, less body pain, etc.) > b. Feel toxic (hyper, palpitations, unable to sleep etc.)> > I was surprised to find T3 supplements available on the net.advertised as "weight loss" drugs!!> > http://www.eurosteroids.com/products/338/t3-tablets.html> > Is it recommended to take something like this?? Surely not everyone needs the same dose?> > Also, should I start taking ERFA and see if I feel better? Or should I just wait until my next blood test in 6 weeks time, and see what that shows, how my Free T3 levels are,and how I feel? Maybe my body will convert the T4?? Or should I go to see an endo privately?? Can anyone recommend someone good?> > I'm not sure what action to take and I am so desperate to get better!> > Could anybody advise please?> > My ferritin level was OK in my blood test in March, I take zinc, selenium, have no mercury fillings, eat a great diet, try to exercise (sometimes tiredness prevents...) > > Please help!> > Thanks,> > Anita x> > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

[Guest guest]

>T3 is used inappropriately by some in the bodybuilding circuit which saldy

seems to have given it a bad name for appropriate use which is in

hypothyroidism.

I wonder if this is part of the reason why GPs are reluctant to us taking T3.

Granted I am sure it's the guidance. But perhaps GPs also hear of horror

stories, where perhaps body-builders fall ill through using it and end up at the

GP. Perhaps they only see the bad side of T3, rather than people like us using

it for positive reasons. Needless to say, if body-builders, who are clearly not

ill,are using T3 for the wrong reason, it hardly helps our cause.

Fiona.

[Guest guest]

You will notice Fiona that many medical sites that advocate taking T3/Armour

for hypothyroidism always state that it is not to be used for weight loss.

When we go in with our symptoms one of the first we tell the GP is that we

are putting on weight and I think they immediately stop thinking hypothyroid

and think we are asking for a weight loss pill. We are sort of damned if

we do and damned if we don't.

Lilian

--------------------------------------------------

> I wonder if this is part of the reason why GPs are reluctant to us taking

> T3.

[Guest guest]

Its mostly T2 that bodybuilders use not T3, or so I am told.

There is no excuse for GP's they have it in their heads that fat = deliberate

overeating and then they stick their fingers in their ears and sing la la la la

after that.

NO EXCUSE, they are there to help their patients not make judgments about their

lifestyles or to call them liars when they don't conform.

Glynis

> >T3 is used inappropriately by some in the bodybuilding circuit which saldy

seems to have given it a bad name for appropriate use which is in

hypothyroidism.

>

if body-builders, who are clearly not ill,are using T3 for the wrong reason, it

hardly helps our cause.

>

> Fiona.

>

[Guest guest]

The

sad fact is that doctors don't appear to accept the reason WHY body builders

use T3. If they did, then they might be more ready to prescribe it for their

hypothyroid patients to help them regain their normal health. Bodybuilders use

T3 to accelerate the metabolising of carbohydrates, proteins, and fat - it

speeds up their metabolism to help them burn excess calories - which is what

hypothyroid suffers need. The body burns more calories than usual so that a

lower fat content can be achieved or the athlete burns fat although he takes in

more calories. When used properly there are few side effects to T3 and it is

rare that body builders abuse T3. Body builders use it for positive reasons

Fiona - not to cause harm to themselves.

Luv

- Sheila

>T3 is used inappropriately by some in the

bodybuilding circuit which saldy seems to have given it a bad name for

appropriate use which is in hypothyroidism.

I wonder if this is part of the reason why GPs are reluctant to us taking T3.

Granted I am sure it's the guidance. But perhaps GPs also hear of horror

stories, where perhaps body-builders fall ill through using it and end up at

the GP. Perhaps they only see the bad side of T3, rather than people like us

using it for positive reasons. Needless to say, if body-builders, who are

clearly not ill,are using T3 for the wrong reason, it hardly helps our cause.

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> There is no excuse for GP's they have it in their heads that fat = deliberate

overeating and then they stick their fingers in their ears and sing la la la la

after that.

>NO EXCUSE, they are there to help their patients not make judgments about their

lifestyles or to call them liars when they don't conform.

well said glynis ...it is truly pathetic!

trish

[Guest guest]

Sorry, this is no excuse for ignoring what the patient says!! I have given my

GP comprehensive day by day food / calories consumed and been called a liar!!

I eat a healthy diet (majority of it is salads and fruit) but my doc doesn't

believe me!!

Glynis

>

> I think there is some excuse. GPs, like most people, probably believe that

putting on weight is caused by consuming more calories than you need.

Therefore, to them, it is obvious that an overweight person must be eating too

many calories.

[Guest guest]

I agree with you there. It isn't a good enough excuse. However, I think it

helps to understand where they are coming from. They have a fixed idea in their

heads and when you present them with conflicting evidence they just think " does

not compute " and can't handle it.

Have you tried asking whether the doctor subscribes to the calorie theory, or

whether they have forgotten what they learned about endocrinology in medical

school? What would happen if you said, " What is the point in me keeping a food

diary if you don't believe it? " It sounds as though the relationship with your

GP has reached breaking point. If they don't believe what you say, how can you

have any meaningful conversation about your health?

Miriam

> >

> > I think there is some excuse. GPs, like most people, probably believe that

putting on weight is caused by consuming more calories than you need.

Therefore, to them, it is obvious that an overweight person must be eating too

many calories.

>

[Guest guest]

My ex-doctor said the same to me Glynis. He even wrote in a letter that in his experience all his overweight patients eat more than they say they do.

It is so much easier for the doctor to blame the patient and then they have no responsibility.

My sister (from the Lake District) was more fortunate, she gave her doctor a list of what she was eating and the exercises she does and he actually did believe her and increased her thyroxine.

Lilian

[Guest guest]

I have had the same conversation with several GPs both in this practice and the

former one I was with and nurses too, I agree they just parrot what they have

been told and don't look beyond that.

I was sent to a dietician at the hospital and when whe gave me a diet sheet I

asked how I was expected to consume all the food on it!! It was about four

times the amount I eat now.

Glynis

> Have you tried asking whether the doctor subscribes to the calorie theory, or

whether they have forgotten what they learned about endocrinology in medical

school? What would happen if you said, " What is the point in me keeping a food

diary if you don't believe it? " It sounds as though the relationship with your

GP has reached breaking point. If they don't believe what you say, how can you

have any meaningful conversation about your health?

>

> Miriam

>

>

> > >

> > > I think there is some excuse. GPs, like most people, probably believe

that putting on weight is caused by consuming more calories than you need.

Therefore, to them, it is obvious that an overweight person must be eating too

many calories.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

I have just had an interesting conversation with one of the nurses at my surgery

who had just rang me to say that she was referring me to phlebotomy at hosp for

bloods as they do magnesiuim and zinc (which I had requested along with new TSH

and t4) etc there.

I had met her before and had a chat as she has had thyroidectomy and at the time

I felt that she was really understanding.

ANyway the conversation went on when I told her that I had been asked to reduce

my thyroxine etc the other week and how it had made me feel last week etc

expecting some sympathetic mutterings and she looked at my last blood tests and

said my TSH was within range and my T4 at 12 (11-20) was good as it was in range

- and my FREE T3 was 5.2 said that was exactly normal. She then went onto say

but did I know that my cholesterol was high - well yes I did and explained that

it had been for about 10 yrs and I thought it may be to do with the thyroid

issues (as I have always had a healthy lifestyle) etc - she said maybe you need

some help with that and I said that I was not taking statins and she said no not

if I didn't want to - but I can leave you a booklet out - I said I already knew

about oats etc and I did eat healthy - but she went onto to say about healthy

oils etc and I sort of stopped listening.

THEY ARE LIKE AUTOMOTONS - THEY DO NOT LIKE TO STICK THEIR HEAD ABOVE THE

PARAPIT AND MAKE DECISIONS. THEY ARE TOO SCARED TO DO SOME OLD FASHIONED

'DOCTORING' AND TREAT PEOPLE WITH SYMPTOMS NOT BLOOD LAB RESULTS. THEY ARE

PARROTS OF TEH RCP AND GMC ET AL.

What hope when someone who has 'been there' and knows exactly how you feel has

to act like one of them!!!

Well that is my rant for the day.

Stacey

[Guest guest]

hi stacey

therapeutic doses of vit b 3 (niacin) has proved effective for cholesterol

lowering rather than take the anti-health statin drugs. latest research suggests

it's lipo protein particle size that matters thus a high cholesterol level is

only part of the picture.

most cholesterol is made in the liver, about 75% i think. maybe your liver

needs some support?

best wishes

trish

>

>

> Hi

> I have just had an interesting conversation with one of the nurses at my

surgery who had just rang me to say that she was referring me to phlebotomy at

hosp for bloods as they do magnesiuim and zinc (which I had requested along with

new TSH and t4) etc there.

> I had met her before and had a chat as she has had thyroidectomy and at the

time I felt that she was really understanding.

> ANyway the conversation went on when I told her that I had been asked to

reduce my thyroxine etc the other week and how it had made me feel last week etc

expecting some sympathetic mutterings and she looked at my last blood tests and

said my TSH was within range and my T4 at 12 (11-20) was good as it was in range

- and my FREE T3 was 5.2 said that was exactly normal. She then went onto say

but did I know that my cholesterol was high - well yes I did and explained that

it had been for about 10 yrs and I thought it may be to do with the thyroid

issues (as I have always had a healthy lifestyle) etc - she said maybe you need

some help with that and I said that I was not taking statins and she said no not

if I didn't want to - but I can leave you a booklet out - I said I already knew

about oats etc and I did eat healthy - but she went onto to say about healthy

oils etc and I sort of stopped listening.

> THEY ARE LIKE AUTOMOTONS - THEY DO NOT LIKE TO STICK THEIR HEAD ABOVE THE

PARAPIT AND MAKE DECISIONS. THEY ARE TOO SCARED TO DO SOME OLD FASHIONED

'DOCTORING' AND TREAT PEOPLE WITH SYMPTOMS NOT BLOOD LAB RESULTS. THEY ARE

PARROTS OF TEH RCP AND GMC ET AL.

> What hope when someone who has 'been there' and knows exactly how you feel has

to act like one of them!!!

> Well that is my rant for the day.

> Stacey

>

[Guest guest]

Sack your doctor and find one who does believe you Glynis. What is

the point of staying with such a doctor???

Luv - Sheila

Sorry, this is no excuse for ignoring what the

patient says!! I have given my GP comprehensive day by day food / calories

consumed and been called a liar!!

I eat a healthy diet (majority of it is salads and fruit) but my doc doesn't

believe me!!

Glynis

[Guest guest]

Problem is Stacey, that ALL NHS staff, nurses, doctors etc have

to be seen to be following the RCP, BTA guideline/guidance/statement (call it

what you will as they don't seem to know what it is). Should they fail to do

so, they are afraid of being taken to task. They are told so many lies by the

powers that be that they don't honestly know what's the truth and what is not. The

fact that she believes a free T4 of 12 in a ref range of 11 to 20 is good, just

shows how little she knows about thyroid hormone replacement. Had you not been

taking any thyroid hormone, it is expected a person's free T4 should be just

above the centre of the reference range, so in such a case, that would be

around 15 or 16. If, on the other hand, a person IS taking thyroid hormone

replacement, then their FT4 would be expected to be well into the upper third

of the reference range, so in such a case would be expected to be 17 to 19. As

it is, you are just one point from the bottom of the range.

Many sufferers of hypothyroidism have a high cholesterol caused

through their slow metabolism. Slow metabolism causes cholesterol plaques to

build up in the blood vessels. Once on the correct thyroid hormone replacement,

their metabolism speeds up and their cholesterol levels fall. Meanwhile, do NOT

take any Stains offered. They can cause great harm. Instead, use high doses of

Niacin (e.g. 300mgs daily) and high dose CoEnzyme Q10 (e.g. 350mgs daily).

Sadly, this is why so many people who get their health back do

so because they have been left with no option but to take their health into

their own hands.

luv - Sheila

ANyway the conversation went on when I told her that I had been asked to reduce

my thyroxine etc the other week and how it had made me feel last week etc

expecting some sympathetic mutterings and she looked at my last blood tests and

said my TSH was within range and my T4 at 12 (11-20) was good as it was in

range - and my FREE T3 was 5.2 said that was exactly normal. She then went onto

say but did I know that my cholesterol was high - well yes I did and explained

that it had been for about 10 yrs and I thought it may be to do with the

thyroid issues (as I have always had a healthy lifestyle) etc - she said maybe

you need some help with that and I said that I was not taking statins and she

said no not if I didn't want to - but I can leave you a booklet out - I said I

already knew about oats etc and I did eat healthy - but she went onto to say

about healthy oils etc and I sort of stopped listening.

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Hi there,

Yes I will try B3 - but I still think that if my thyroid and therefore my

metabolism was working properly I may not have high cholesterol.

Stacey

>

> hi stacey

>

> therapeutic doses of vit b 3 (niacin) has proved effective for cholesterol

lowering rather than take the anti-health statin drugs. latest research suggests

it's lipo protein particle size that matters thus a high cholesterol level is

only part of the picture.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks , this information is so interesting that I have

posted it in our Files section under the FOLDER 'Diet'. Many thanks for this.

Luv - Sheila

Quote from the book:

For many years, the

standard diet prescribed by many physicians has been one with high protein

content and little fat. The basis for it has been the fact that there are more

calories per unit of weight in fat than in other foodstuffs.

What was not realized

was the effect of a diet high in protein on thyroid function – which

explain why many patients have failed to lose weight on a few as 800 calories a

day of such a diet and have been accused of cheating on their diet when, in

fact, they did no cheating.

In the experiments

conducted on myself, I found that when the intake of carbohydrate and fat was

kept low and I ate mostly veal and turkey, diarrhoea soon developed and I had

feelings of malaise and illness.

On the other hand,

when the diet was changed so that it was low in fat but high in protein and

with enough carbohydrates to prevent diarrhoea, symptoms of hypothyroidism

appeared. Cholesterol levels in the blood became elevated and in order to keep

it within normal range, four additional grains of thyroid daily were needed.

Apparently, a diet high in protein requires additional thyroid for its

metabolism. There were no symptoms of hyperthyroidism in spite of the extra

thyroid until the diet was cut back to a normal amount of protein. Then typical

hyperthyroidism appeared and the extra thyroid had to be discontinued.

It seems clear that a

diet quite high in protein utilizes available thyroid hormone. Two studies in

the medical literature indicate the excess protein lowers the basal metabolism.

This may explain why so few people have been successful in losing weight on the

standard types of diets. With extra thyroid needed for utilization of protein,

the metabolism could fall to the point that 800 calories a day would maintain

existing weight rather than lead to weight loss.

This would also

explain why some physicians specializing in weight reduction and using

high-protein diets in their programs also use huge doses of thyroid without any

apparent harm to their patients.

[Guest guest]

You probably DO have high cholesterol level Stacey. This happens

in a lot of people with hypothyroidism. If your blood results show you have

high cholesterol level, then this is unlikely to be a mistook!

Luv - Sheila

Hi there,

Yes I will try B3 - but I still think that if my thyroid and therefore my

metabolism was working properly I may not have high cholesterol.

Stacey

--- In

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Just a thought - there is so much advice floating around about diets and foods

to omit or eat more of.

How about if maybe in the chat section if not in this one, people could give

their run down of a typical day of meals and how it may have helped them to

either lose weight or help them to not put any more on etc.

I know we are all different but it sometimes helps walking through a process

with someone. Of course there will be people with allergies etc but it might

help some people to know that there are ways.

Apologies if this has been done before.

Stacey

>

> Thanks , this information is so interesting that I have posted it

> in our Files section under the FOLDER 'Diet'. Many thanks for this.

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

>

>

> Quote from the book:

>

> For many years, the standard diet prescribed by many physicians has been one

> with high protein content and little fat. The basis for it has been the fact

> that there are more calories per unit of weight in fat than in other

> foodstuffs.

>

> What was not realized was the effect of a diet high in protein on thyroid

> function - which explain why many patients have failed to lose weight on a

> few as 800 calories a day of such a diet and have been accused of cheating

> on their diet when, in fact, they did no cheating.

>

> In the experiments conducted on myself, I found that when the intake of

> carbohydrate and fat was kept low and I ate mostly veal and turkey,

> diarrhoea soon developed and I had feelings of malaise and illness.

>

> On the other hand, when the diet was changed so that it was low in fat but

> high in protein and with enough carbohydrates to prevent diarrhoea, symptoms

> of hypothyroidism appeared. Cholesterol levels in the blood became elevated

> and in order to keep it within normal range, four additional grains of

> thyroid daily were needed. Apparently, a diet high in protein requires

> additional thyroid for its metabolism. There were no symptoms of

> hyperthyroidism in spite of the extra thyroid until the diet was cut back to

> a normal amount of protein. Then typical hyperthyroidism appeared and the

> extra thyroid had to be discontinued.

>

> It seems clear that a diet quite high in protein utilizes available thyroid

> hormone. Two studies in the medical literature indicate the excess protein

> lowers the basal metabolism. This may explain why so few people have been

> successful in losing weight on the standard types of diets. With extra

> thyroid needed for utilization of protein, the metabolism could fall to the

> point that 800 calories a day would maintain existing weight rather than

> lead to weight loss.

>

> This would also explain why some physicians specializing in weight reduction

> and using high-protein diets in their programs also use huge doses of

> thyroid without any apparent harm to their patients.

>

[Guest guest]

Yes - about 7 yrs ago they were 8.4 - I think that last time they were about

7.2. So pretty high!

STacey

>

> You probably DO have high cholesterol level Stacey. This happens in a lot of

> people with hypothyroidism. If your blood results show you have high

> cholesterol level, then this is unlikely to be a mistook!

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

>

>

> Hi there,

> Yes I will try B3 - but I still think that if my thyroid and therefore my

> metabolism was working properly I may not have high cholesterol.

> Stacey

>

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