Intro and Questions

[Guest guest]

Midvalleyvu has some WONDERFUL raw cheeses as well as milk. It is all grass

fed year round. (They put up grass for winter use) They have a nice little

store where you can also get grass fed meats, coconut oil, buttermilk,

cream, raw butter, flax oil, some legumes, dishsoap, and so much more. I

guess I would say you can get all your organic basic foods there.

The only draw back with them is the drive. For me from the Andover area, it

is about a two hour drive one way. I try to save up money so I can stock up

when I get there. (I love their milk, it is sweet and super creamy.)

You do have to buy a share to become a member. but the share is only $10. I

so wish they were closer.

As far as soy, since you are on a thyroid hormone replacment medication, you

need to make sure it is at least 6 hours after taking your meds. Soy will

interfear with the absorbation and working action of your thyroid med. Milk

or any thing with calcium should be at least 3 hours after your meds.They

tend to absore the hormone so that you will not get the whole amount and

need to be on a higher dose.

I know I was regulated with my meds even though I took my calcium tablets

with them. Once I quit my calcium, my doseage requirments went down.

Soy, My personal thoughts are to stay away from it. You can look on the net

to see the many diffrent reasons it can be really bad for you. (Yet I know

many people who use it all the time and are as healthy as can be, but I do

not like the hormone factor with it) I have learned, that for the most part,

convence type foods are not good for you no matter what they put into it.

There are VERY few I would trust. But do remember, this is just me and my

feelings!

It is not hard to make good healthy homemade snacks to have on hand for the

kids or yourself. Freezing them works wonders. Trail mixes are great to have

for the kids. Another one that I used a lot with my kids was taking dry milk

powder, raw honey and natural peanutbutter mixing them togather to make like

an eatable playdough. I just used a glob of peanutbutter, added about the

same amount of the dry milk and a bit of honey to sweeten and make it stick

togather better. The kids LOVED this one.

Being a cancer bomb, we all are. Do not focus on that. Eat well (the

nurishing trad way!), play hard, get dirty, get lots of fresh air, laugh a

lot, have a garden to send the kids out to snack in (you too, we use to go

to the garden for lunch, ate it right there), get lots of sun and take your

codliver oil.

I am a thyroid cancer surivor, and have had the bad paps. I am still here,

getting healthier all the time. I do have a spot in my lung that may be

turning into cancer too, but I do not worry (I give the worry to God). I

have my CT scans as needed and go on living! That is the main thing for any

health thing, go on living, you aint dead yet!

Kimi

[Guest guest]

Thank you for all of the great information, especially about

synthroid. I hadn't hear about calcium or soy absorbing it. You

are right, we just have to give it to God. So simple but so hard to

remember and then to do!

> Midvalleyvu has some WONDERFUL raw cheeses as well as milk. It is

all grass

> fed year round. (They put up grass for winter use) They have a

nice little

> store where you can also get grass fed meats, coconut oil,

buttermilk,

> cream, raw butter, flax oil, some legumes, dishsoap, and so much

more. I

> guess I would say you can get all your organic basic foods there.

>

> The only draw back with them is the drive. For me from the Andover

area, it

> is about a two hour drive one way. I try to save up money so I can

stock up

> when I get there. (I love their milk, it is sweet and super

creamy.)

>

> You do have to buy a share to become a member. but the share is

only $10. I

> so wish they were closer.

>

> As far as soy, since you are on a thyroid hormone replacment

medication, you

> need to make sure it is at least 6 hours after taking your meds.

Soy will

> interfear with the absorbation and working action of your thyroid

med. Milk

> or any thing with calcium should be at least 3 hours after your

meds.They

> tend to absore the hormone so that you will not get the whole

amount and

> need to be on a higher dose.

>

> I know I was regulated with my meds even though I took my calcium

tablets

> with them. Once I quit my calcium, my doseage requirments went

down.

>

> Soy, My personal thoughts are to stay away from it. You can look

on the net

> to see the many diffrent reasons it can be really bad for you.

(Yet I know

> many people who use it all the time and are as healthy as can be,

but I do

> not like the hormone factor with it) I have learned, that for the

most part,

> convence type foods are not good for you no matter what they put

into it.

> There are VERY few I would trust. But do remember, this is just me

and my

> feelings!

>

> It is not hard to make good healthy homemade snacks to have on

hand for the

> kids or yourself. Freezing them works wonders. Trail mixes are

great to have

> for the kids. Another one that I used a lot with my kids was

taking dry milk

> powder, raw honey and natural peanutbutter mixing them togather to

make like

> an eatable playdough. I just used a glob of peanutbutter, added

about the

> same amount of the dry milk and a bit of honey to sweeten and make

it stick

> togather better. The kids LOVED this one.

>

> Being a cancer bomb, we all are. Do not focus on that. Eat well

(the

> nurishing trad way!), play hard, get dirty, get lots of fresh

air, laugh a

> lot, have a garden to send the kids out to snack in (you too, we

use to go

> to the garden for lunch, ate it right there), get lots of sun and

take your

> codliver oil.

>

> I am a thyroid cancer surivor, and have had the bad paps. I am

still here,

> getting healthier all the time. I do have a spot in my lung that

may be

> turning into cancer too, but I do not worry (I give the worry to

God). I

> have my CT scans as needed and go on living! That is the main

thing for any

> health thing, go on living, you aint dead yet!

>

> Kimi

[Guest guest]

Brandee,

Lots of people in this group have had hip replacements at an early age. If your pain is so great that it affects your life, then it is time to have one done, especially at your age when you should be free to enjoy life at its fullest!

Do you have some kind of disability insurance that would cover seeing a specialist as well as the surgery?

I had both hips replaced recently and I marvel at being "normal" and pain-free. My whole life centered on my pain and now I am amazed that I can sit, stand, walk, lay down, etc without pain.

Keep in touch with this group and you'll get a lot of information. I hope you are able to see a surgeon and get some relief soon!

Intro and questions

Hi everyone,I am very greatful that this community exists and hope that some of you may be able to give me whatever insight you are able to offer.I am 22 years old. I was diagnosed with Legg Calve Perthes Disease in my left hip at age 7 and underwent many operations. My hip joint never healed, and it basically looks the same today as it did when I was a child. (Flat femoral head, degraded cartilage between the head and acetabulum, lots of inner bruising visible in x-rays, and its full of arthritis.) For the past few years I've had periods of intense flare-ups, and also periods of feeling "ok". (even when my hip feels ok, it still hurts.) Lately the flare-ups have become more and more frequent, and almost unbearable. It feels like my hip is exploding with electricity, stabbing pain, weakness and soreness all throughout my left leg.I'm in an intense flare-up right now. It started last week and my hip just will not feel better. I went to the ER on Monday and got some pain meds. I'm trying to stay in bed.This is affecting my life SO much. I can't work because of these constant flare-ups. I am always having to take time off of whatever job I have because of my hip.Since I don't have a job, and I am only 22 so I have no money, I have no health insurance. I haven't seen a specialist for my hip in over 3 years.I am really considering getting a Total Hip Replacement. I've lived with this pain my whole life and I want to know what its like to be pain-free.I really need information on getting a hip replacement. I need to hear it from people who have had them. I need to know that people who get hip replacements are glad that they got them. I need to know whether I am truly too young, or whether it is ok to get one at this young an age. I need to know whether there are other options... and what the Hip Replacement options are.Any responses would be sooo appreciated. I feel very lost and alone in this situation. I don't know anyone who can relate to my experience, or anyone who has gotten a hip replacement before the age of 50.Thank you so much for reading and resonding. ~Brandee

[Guest guest]

Hello Brandee and welcome to the message boards! I just go by Sassy to keep it simple.... but nice meetin ya. I'm a 35 yr. old wife & mother of two. Initial diagnosis of CHD (congential hip disorder) with nearly 3" LD (leg descrepency) I had my ceramic on ceramic THR (total hip replacement) done June 2003~ Which I also permitted doc to push limits to leg lengthening with and "level me up" I've since had 2 hip revisions due to complications~ the last being Jan 2005 which actually switched out my socket. BEAT ON WOOD~ I've been doing fairly well all things considered. I still have pain but I've been advised it's probably related to the scar tissue I have.

Since I don't have a job, and I am only 22 so I have no money, I have no health insurance. I haven't seen a specialist for my hip in over 3 years >>> If your currrently classified as "disabled by state standards" then Vocational Rehablitation may be able to assist you with not only getting an ortho specialist to evaluate your circumstances but also to pay for your surgery~ BARING you intend on returning to working status.

Total Hip Replacement. I've lived with this pain my whole life and I want to know what its like to be pain-free.

>>>Well sweetie.... the majority have little to no difficulties after THR however there are exceptions to every rule~ It stands to reason the more problems your health brings into the surgery the more chances of a "less then satisifactory" out come & complications. So take the time to research all alternatives for yourself BEFORE making that decision. Once you've gone there is no turning back~ Have you exhausted all other possible means for treatment thus far ? You need to get real serious with yourself about your tolerance for pain but your needs for quality of life. DON'T THINK THR is the answer for all that choose it~ because that's not the case! Some end up with other problems afterward that they didn't have prior~ such as foot drop or nerve damage. Research the benefits AND DRAW BACKS and get real honest with yourself. I can't say that I regret having mine done.... because it did lessen my pain to a degree... but it did not make me "pain-free" by any means. Plus for me.... my surgerical restrictions will always remain in place because of my THR being mounted differently... to stablize at the acetubulum. You need to know that YOUR EXPERIENCE will be your own.... the one thing that no one else had during their surgery that WILL BE AT YOURS is YOUR BODY! Sometimes fact of the matter is... it has a whole different plan in mind as to out come compared to what you might want or your doctor might think~

I need to know whether I am truly too young, or whether it is ok to get one at this young an age. >>> THR isn't a "new" thing... and it's came a mighty long way over the yrs. but technology is always moving too. No one can answer that question for you sweetie..... that's something that only you truly know the answer to and don't let another influence your decision on the matter. Research for yourself, question yourself and get real honest about your life needs and what you would like~ just know that in the end.... we don't always get what we want... we get what we get and that's how it goes. I don't say this to discourage you nor to sway your judgement on the matter...... I'm being as honest as I can be about this issue. THR turned my life 360 degrees in the opposite direction~ it's nothing like it once was and each day has it's ups & downs. I was told "oh your young, healthy, & it's great being pain-free afterward~ don't worry" Bla bla bla~ my age had little to do with it~ my health probably didn't help matters but when it boiled down to it.... my body didn't want to do what it was suppose to do to make it all work.... and not one thing would've changed it. Sometimes you have to roll with the bunches and have faith there's reason within it. Just listen closely to BOTH SIDES and research research and RESEARCH! Just don't assume your out come based upon anothers~ THR is a case by case deal.

[Guest guest]

You might also check out the surfacehippy group which is concerned

with hip resurfacing which is a good alternative especially for

younger people. You would have to ask a resurfacing surgeon if you

are a candidate, with you flattened femoral head. To join you e-mail

to: surfacehippy-subscribe

Chris

> Hi everyone,

> I am very greatful that this community exists and hope that some

of

> you may be able to give me whatever insight you are able to offer.

>

> I am 22 years old. I was diagnosed with Legg Calve Perthes Disease

> in my left hip at age 7 and underwent many operations. My hip

joint

> never healed, and it basically looks the same today as it did when

I

> was a child. (Flat femoral head, degraded cartilage between the

head

> and acetabulum, lots of inner bruising visible in x-rays, and its

> full of arthritis.) For the past few years I've had periods of

> intense flare-ups, and also periods of feeling " ok " . (even when my

> hip feels ok, it still hurts.) Lately the flare-ups have become

more

> and more frequent, and almost unbearable. It feels like my hip is

> exploding with electricity, stabbing pain, weakness and soreness

all

> throughout my left leg.

> I'm in an intense flare-up right now. It started last week and my

> hip just will not feel better. I went to the ER on Monday and got

> some pain meds. I'm trying to stay in bed.

> This is affecting my life SO much. I can't work because of these

> constant flare-ups. I am always having to take time off of

whatever

> job I have because of my hip.

> Since I don't have a job, and I am only 22 so I have no money, I

> have no health insurance. I haven't seen a specialist for my hip

in

> over 3 years.

>

> I am really considering getting a Total Hip Replacement. I've

lived

> with this pain my whole life and I want to know what its like to

be

> pain-free.

> I really need information on getting a hip replacement. I need to

> hear it from people who have had them. I need to know that people

> who get hip replacements are glad that they got them. I need to

know

> whether I am truly too young, or whether it is ok to get one at

this

> young an age. I need to know whether there are other options...

and

> what the Hip Replacement options are.

>

> Any responses would be sooo appreciated. I feel very lost and

alone

> in this situation. I don't know anyone who can relate to my

> experience, or anyone who has gotten a hip replacement before the

> age of 50.

>

> Thank you so much for reading and resonding.

> ~Brandee

[Guest guest]

i'm new to this list, but not to disabilities in general. have you

applied for social security disability? and until then, check with

your state's medicaid office-- usually in the county where you live.

they will help you with your medical payments. while you are at the

social services office (where most medicaid offices are located)

find out about food stamps and temporary financial assistance. then

call your local section 8 HUD office, if you need help paying rent.

jess

> Hi everyone,

> I am very greatful that this community exists and hope that some

of

> you may be able to give me whatever insight you are able to offer.

>

> I am 22 years old. I was diagnosed with Legg Calve Perthes Disease

> in my left hip at age 7 and underwent many operations. My hip

joint

> never healed, and it basically looks the same today as it did when

I

> was a child. (Flat femoral head, degraded cartilage between the

head

> and acetabulum, lots of inner bruising visible in x-rays, and its

> full of arthritis.) For the past few years I've had periods of

> intense flare-ups, and also periods of feeling " ok " . (even when my

> hip feels ok, it still hurts.) Lately the flare-ups have become

more

> and more frequent, and almost unbearable. It feels like my hip is

> exploding with electricity, stabbing pain, weakness and soreness

all

> throughout my left leg.

> I'm in an intense flare-up right now. It started last week and my

> hip just will not feel better. I went to the ER on Monday and got

> some pain meds. I'm trying to stay in bed.

> This is affecting my life SO much. I can't work because of these

> constant flare-ups. I am always having to take time off of

whatever

> job I have because of my hip.

> Since I don't have a job, and I am only 22 so I have no money, I

> have no health insurance. I haven't seen a specialist for my hip

in

> over 3 years.

>

> I am really considering getting a Total Hip Replacement. I've

lived

> with this pain my whole life and I want to know what its like to

be

> pain-free.

> I really need information on getting a hip replacement. I need to

> hear it from people who have had them. I need to know that people

> who get hip replacements are glad that they got them. I need to

know

> whether I am truly too young, or whether it is ok to get one at

this

> young an age. I need to know whether there are other options...

and

> what the Hip Replacement options are.

>

> Any responses would be sooo appreciated. I feel very lost and

alone

> in this situation. I don't know anyone who can relate to my

> experience, or anyone who has gotten a hip replacement before the

> age of 50.

>

> Thank you so much for reading and resonding.

> ~Brandee

[Guest guest]

Hi Brandee, I am two weeks post op from the Anterior Approach hip replacement. I am 32 yesterday. I have lupus. A flare in 96 destroyed my right hip. I waited 9 years before having surgery. So far I am happy with my recovery (note we did have to redo the surgery 5 days after the original due to the femor head being too small and dislocation). But after the second sugery, I am feeling pretty good. I am walking around without the walker any more, but the keep using the cane (just in case). The pain I feel (and need to take medication for) is muscle pain. My bone on bone pain I have been living with for 9 years is completely gone!!! Now I have muscle strain from my morning and evening walks. I am getting stronger every day - and I can feel it. I really like moving my leg independent of the hip joint. Something I can remember doing for a long time. I look forward to talking a walk and not thinking about what

used to be with my hip.

Please let me know what other information I can provide to you. I am happy with my choice to have surgery (even with the dislocation). Also, remove the age factor. If we need a replacement, don't worry about the age. I needed to remember, I am young but I need the surgery! Good luck, renazee@... wrote:

Intro and questions

Hi everyone,I am very greatful that this community exists and hope that some of you may be able to give me whatever insight you are able to offer.I am 22 years old. I was diagnosed with Legg Calve Perthes Disease in my left hip at age 7 and underwent many operations. My hip joint never healed, and it basically looks the same today as it did when I was a child. (Flat femoral head, degraded cartilage between the head and acetabulum, lots of inner bruising visible in x-rays, and its full of arthritis.) For the past few years I've had periods of intense flare-ups, and also periods of feeling "ok". (even when my hip feels ok, it still hurts.) Lately the flare-ups have become more and more frequent, and almost unbearable. It feels like my hip is exploding with electricity, stabbing pain, weakness and soreness all throughout my left leg.I'm in an intense flare-up right now. It started last week and my hip

just will not feel better. I went to the ER on Monday and got some pain meds. I'm trying to stay in bed.This is affecting my life SO much. I can't work because of these constant flare-ups. I am always having to take time off of whatever job I have because of my hip.Since I don't have a job, and I am only 22 so I have no money, I have no health insurance. I haven't seen a specialist for my hip in over 3 years.I am really considering getting a Total Hip Replacement. I've lived with this pain my whole life and I want to know what its like to be pain-free.I really need information on getting a hip replacement. I need to hear it from people who have had them. I need to know that people who get hip replacements are glad that they got them. I need to know whether I am truly too young, or whether it is ok to get one at this young an age. I need to know whether there are other options... and what the Hip Replacement options

are.Any responses would be sooo appreciated. I feel very lost and alone in this situation. I don't know anyone who can relate to my experience, or anyone who has gotten a hip replacement before the age of 50.Thank you so much for reading and resonding. ~Brandee__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I can give you a site that has 5 or 6 young people, 16-22 that may be able to talk with you. Its another group I belong to. htt://groups.msn.com/hipuniversesupport. Most of these young people found this site through their parents. Most of them have dealth with disabilities similar to yours, for long period of time and a couple just developed problems.

I went to google looking for hip chat rooms. that may be another option for you. look specifically for a group of young people with hip disabilities.

good luck,

margo

tw9yes <tw9yes@...> wrote:

i'm new to this list, but not to disabilities in general. have you applied for social security disability? and until then, check with your state's medicaid office-- usually in the county where you live. they will help you with your medical payments. while you are at the social services office (where most medicaid offices are located) find out about food stamps and temporary financial assistance. then call your local section 8 HUD office, if you need help paying rent.jess> Hi everyone,> I am very greatful that this community exists and hope that some of > you may be able to give me whatever insight you are able to offer.> > I am 22 years old. I was diagnosed with Legg Calve Perthes Disease > in my left hip at age

7 and underwent many operations. My hip joint > never healed, and it basically looks the same today as it did when I > was a child. (Flat femoral head, degraded cartilage between the head > and acetabulum, lots of inner bruising visible in x-rays, and its > full of arthritis.) For the past few years I've had periods of > intense flare-ups, and also periods of feeling "ok". (even when my > hip feels ok, it still hurts.) Lately the flare-ups have become more > and more frequent, and almost unbearable. It feels like my hip is > exploding with electricity, stabbing pain, weakness and soreness all > throughout my left leg.> I'm in an intense flare-up right now. It started last week and my > hip just will not feel better. I went to the ER on Monday and got > some pain meds. I'm trying to stay in bed.> This is affecting my life SO much. I can't work because of these >

constant flare-ups. I am always having to take time off of whatever > job I have because of my hip.> Since I don't have a job, and I am only 22 so I have no money, I > have no health insurance. I haven't seen a specialist for my hip in > over 3 years.> > I am really considering getting a Total Hip Replacement. I've lived > with this pain my whole life and I want to know what its like to be > pain-free.> I really need information on getting a hip replacement. I need to > hear it from people who have had them. I need to know that people > who get hip replacements are glad that they got them. I need to know > whether I am truly too young, or whether it is ok to get one at this > young an age. I need to know whether there are other options... and > what the Hip Replacement options are.> > Any responses would be sooo appreciated. I feel very lost and

alone > in this situation. I don't know anyone who can relate to my > experience, or anyone who has gotten a hip replacement before the > age of 50.> > Thank you so much for reading and resonding. > ~Brandee

[Guest guest]

Sorry, the addy I posted a few minutes ago was incomplete. Its

http://groups.msn.com/hipuniversesupportgroup.

sometimes it helps to talk to people your own age and the

experienced hipsters at this site have a lot of info to share to.

You can never talk to too many people.

once again, good luck

margo

> > Hi everyone,

> > I am very greatful that this community exists and hope that some

> of

> > you may be able to give me whatever insight you are able to

offer.

> >

> > I am 22 years old. I was diagnosed with Legg Calve Perthes

Disease

> > in my left hip at age 7 and underwent many operations. My hip

> joint

> > never healed, and it basically looks the same today as it did

when

> I

> > was a child. (Flat femoral head, degraded cartilage between the

> head

> > and acetabulum, lots of inner bruising visible in x-rays, and

its

> > full of arthritis.) For the past few years I've had periods of

> > intense flare-ups, and also periods of feeling " ok " . (even when

my

> > hip feels ok, it still hurts.) Lately the flare-ups have become

> more

> > and more frequent, and almost unbearable. It feels like my hip

is

> > exploding with electricity, stabbing pain, weakness and soreness

> all

> > throughout my left leg.

> > I'm in an intense flare-up right now. It started last week and

my

> > hip just will not feel better. I went to the ER on Monday and

got

> > some pain meds. I'm trying to stay in bed.

> > This is affecting my life SO much. I can't work because of these

> > constant flare-ups. I am always having to take time off of

> whatever

> > job I have because of my hip.

> > Since I don't have a job, and I am only 22 so I have no money, I

> > have no health insurance. I haven't seen a specialist for my hip

> in

> > over 3 years.

> >

> > I am really considering getting a Total Hip Replacement. I've

> lived

> > with this pain my whole life and I want to know what its like to

> be

> > pain-free.

> > I really need information on getting a hip replacement. I need

to

> > hear it from people who have had them. I need to know that

people

> > who get hip replacements are glad that they got them. I need to

> know

> > whether I am truly too young, or whether it is ok to get one at

> this

> > young an age. I need to know whether there are other options...

> and

> > what the Hip Replacement options are.

> >

> > Any responses would be sooo appreciated. I feel very lost and

> alone

> > in this situation. I don't know anyone who can relate to my

> > experience, or anyone who has gotten a hip replacement before

the

> > age of 50.

> >

> > Thank you so much for reading and resonding.

> > ~Brandee

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>At first, I just thought I'd vax as long as none of them included thimerisol.<

When you say that 'none of them included thimerosal'. How do you know for sure

they didn't? Were you told this by the staff? The reason I ask is that there

was incident that shows that they are totally wrong about this. A couple of

years ago I was asked to speak with a young father whose infant son was born a

few hours before. He was at the hospital when we spoke and said the nurses

wanted to give his son the Hep B and he wanted advice on what to do. I told him

that some parents ask to read the insert that comes with the vial they will use,

and that some had read that thimerosal was in the vaccine. He wrote the correct

spelling down and then a short time later called and said that the vial did have

Thimerosal! The nurses were shocked about it and said they were told it didn't.

They didn't bother the parents anymore about getting that particular shot. So

it depends on how you " know " that it doesn't contain thimerosal.

C.

[Guest guest]

>

> When you say that 'none of them included thimerosal'. How do you

know for sure they didn't? Were you told this by the staff?

So it depends on how you " know " that it doesn't contain thimerosal.

Okay, this is the first response I've even gotten from my questions

that were asked three days and about 50 posts ago... and it's not even

giving me any info on my questions/concerns, but instead picking one

thing I mentioned and acting accusatory: " How do you know for sure

they didn't (contain thimerisol)? " What gives? I have heard that

there are some vaxes out there that are older and therefore still have

thimerisol in them, yes. I asked the doctor herself, who I trust -

she is fine w/ me delaying vaxes and even told me that since I was

skipping MMR at 12 months, she wouldn't do it at all until my dd was

four years old, because it's much less likely to " cause problems. " A

ped who admits that there may be problems w/ geeting a live virus vax

at such an early age is surely going to know if her vaxes contain

thimerisol. Anyway, I was much more ignorant on the vax issue then,

so no, I didn't ask to see the package insert. That was in the past,

anyway.

Sorry to sound bitter, but as a new member here, I was hoping for info

relating to my questions, not having one line of my introductory

details picked apart.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Anita... those are good points. Do you know if in the measles

outbreaks, for instance, more vaxed kids contracted it than unvaxed (a

higher percentage, I mean)? Any numbers on that kind of thing would

be appreciated.

(snip)

> You will have to come to a final decision about ALL vaccines as

the law doesn't allow one to pick and choose.

I have heard some moms say that they just don't report the vaxes that

they did get... and nobody asked them about it. And if I homeschool,

is anyone going to ask anyway? I wonder if there's a way to get a

religious/moral exemption from MMR/VV because they were made from

aborted fetus cell lines...

Thanks!

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erinrlewis <erinrlewis@...> wrote: >Thanks Anita... those are good

points. Do you know if in the measles

outbreaks, for instance, more vaxed kids contracted it than unvaxed (a

higher percentage, I mean)? Any numbers on that kind of thing would

be appreciated.

Since most children are vaxed, I would say yes to that. Maybe someone can offer

you the stats you're looking for.

(snip)

> You will have to come to a final decision about ALL vaccines as

the law doesn't allow one to pick and choose.

I have heard some moms say that they just don't report the vaxes that

they did get... and nobody asked them about it. And if I homeschool,

is anyone going to ask anyway? I wonder if there's a way to get a

religious/moral exemption from MMR/VV because they were made from

aborted fetus cell lines...

Still, it is not legal. I have never heard of a religious exemption applying

to individual vaccines only because they come from aborted fetal cell lines.

Even the Catholic Church, who opposes these types of vaccines, encourages

parents to use alternative vaccines as they are still pro-vax. Perhaps this can

be accomplished with a philosophical exemption? I live in NY where only medical

and religious exemptions apply and must confess I don't know much about the

other.

You are so close to the truth that I am thoroughly convinced you will want to

decline ALL vaccines at some point during your efforts to inform yourself.

Anita

[Guest guest]

Amy - Thanks for clarifying; I'm certainly no expert. I live in NY; no

philosophical anything here. I don't have to answer what religion I am either,

but it's still all or nothing; that's the law. Would you agree that most people

do need to make a black or white choice?

Anita

Amy Cortright <amers@...> wrote:

Just one nit-pick, Anita. In the US, every state is different when it comes to

vaccination laws. Some DO allow you to pick and choose, by way of the religious

exemption. For example, a Catholic could object to vaccines that are grown on

aborted human fetal cells but have no problem with those that are not. 48 of the

50 US states allow religious exemptions and a handful allow philosophical

exemptions. Each person needs to check the laws of their own state-- in mine,

people can selectively vax with the religious exemption, in part because it's

illegal for them to ask WHAT religion you are.

-Amy

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[Guest guest]

I've done some research on this, and the Church is okay w/ you getting

these vaxes if you " have " to, but they leave it up to you to decide,

ie you feel that not getting the vax would be too risky, or the

alternate vax is not available to you... like rubella, which is made

from fetal cells. It only has a morally ok alternative in other

countries.

>

I have never heard of a religious exemption applying to individual

vaccines only because they come from aborted fetal cell lines. Even

the Catholic Church, who opposes these types of vaccines, encourages

parents to use alternative vaccines as they are still pro-vax.

[Guest guest]

I am in GA, and I know we can get either medical or religious

exemptions, but not philosophical. I guess I could ask the ped for

the forms and see if they have any info on selectively vaxing.

> Just one nit-pick, Anita. In the US, every state is different when

it comes to vaccination laws. Some DO allow you to pick and choose, by

way of the religious exemption. For example, a Catholic could object

to vaccines that are grown on aborted human fetal cells but have no

problem with those that are not.

[Guest guest]

Don't. Get the forms from your health department (if

there is a form - see Sheri's website for relevant

info) and follow the exemption exactly. If you feel

you must vaccinate (although if you spend any time

reading the posts on here, plus Sheri's and 's

websites, you're highly unlikely to wish to), then by

all means do, just simply don't tell anyone. If the

school finds out that you do selectively vaccinate,

they may give you trouble or not. Don't risk that.

--- erinrlewis <erinrlewis@...> wrote:

> I am in GA, and I know we can get either medical or

> religious

> exemptions, but not philosophical. I guess I could

> ask the ped for

> the forms and see if they have any info on

> selectively vaxing.

>

>

> > Just one nit-pick, Anita. In the US, every state

> is different when

> it comes to vaccination laws. Some DO allow you to

> pick and choose, by

> way of the religious exemption. For example, a

> Catholic could object

> to vaccines that are grown on aborted human fetal

> cells but have no

> problem with those that are not.

>

>

>

>

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Not a problem there... I plan to homeschool. Is there anyone else I

have to " prove " it to? Or is the exemption really just a thing to

make schools happy because they think now they won't have epidemics of

diseases? Is it really just for the schools that we " have " to vax

kids, anyway?

>

> If the

> school finds out that you do selectively vaccinate,

> they may give you trouble or not. Don't risk that.

>

[Guest guest]

For children, it pretty much is just the schools that you have to vax for. With

a few addendums to that...

~In many US states, medical professionals are " mandated reporters " (as are

teachers, which is how I know this stuff) to CPS. If they even suspect child

abuse or neglect, they are obligated to report it. Since so many of them view

not vaxing as medical neglect, you run the risk of being reported if you stay

with an unfriendly medpro. In my experience (and that of many friends) if you

are seeing an MD, in general family practice docs tend to be a little more

easygoing on the vaxing than pediatricians.

~There are some vaccines that you may be required to get for travel to certain

countries, as mandated by that country. Lydall does a good job covering

this in her book " Raising a Vaccine Free Child. "

~Certain jobs (particularly in health care) require certain vaccines before you

can begin working there. I'm not sure how valid exemptions are in this case

since unlike school, working at one particular place is not viewed as either a

right or compulsory, the way public education until a certain age is.

~In several states, the minimums required vary by grade level. There are more

vaccines required for daycare/nursery, for example, in Massachusetts, than for

K-12. And very few states (if any???) require Prevnar for school. Most doctors

follow the CDC schedule which is way more vaxes than most states actually

require. Colleges have a few additional ones but the opt-out forms tend to be a

little more easy to come by.

-Amy

Re: intro and questions

Not a problem there... I plan to homeschool. Is there anyone else I

have to " prove " it to? Or is the exemption really just a thing to

make schools happy because they think now they won't have epidemics of

diseases? Is it really just for the schools that we " have " to vax

kids, anyway?

>

> If the

> school finds out that you do selectively vaccinate,

> they may give you trouble or not. Don't risk that.

>

[Guest guest]

As far as I know and from what I experienced during

our stay in the US, it is just for the schools.

--- erinrlewis <erinrlewis@...> wrote:

>

> Not a problem there... I plan to homeschool. Is

> there anyone else I

> have to " prove " it to? Or is the exemption really

> just a thing to

> make schools happy because they think now they won't

> have epidemics of

> diseases? Is it really just for the schools that we

> " have " to vax

> kids, anyway?

>

>

> >

> > If the

> > school finds out that you do selectively

> vaccinate,

> > they may give you trouble or not. Don't risk that.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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I haven't run into any problems with my boys regarding summer programs, but I

seem to recall others on this list having trouble with enrollments for certain

activities requiring the children to be vaccinated. Any recollection of this?

Anita

<claudiaayaz@...> wrote:

As far as I know and from what I experienced during

our stay in the US, it is just for the schools.

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Hi ,

Regarding your question...

" I wonder if there's a way to get a

religious/moral exemption from MMR/VV because they were made from

aborted fetus cell lines... "

It might depend on the state you live in. I know here in CA there is a form

that you can sign (a waiver) when your children enter school, daycare, or any

other similar situation. They (the school) will not offer it but you can

request it. It is actually against the law for schools to not admit your child

due to not being vax'd. They have to, by law, give you this waiver if you ask

for it. You can claim religious, cultural, or personal reasons and no one has

the right to question or deny your reasons. I actually had a situation with a

daycare center that told me that my daughter had to be vax in order to get in

and I asked for the waiver siting personal reasons. The woman told me that

there was no such thing and she had to be vax'd. I told her to check the

legality on that and if she didn't provide the waiver that she can be sued for

discrimination. She told me she would " look into it. " About an hour later I

got a " very pleasant call " from the director of the

school letting me know that my daughter would be welcomed no matter what, there

was a waiver, and she was very sorry that this woman was unaware. (Funny how

things change when the mention of a discrimination lawsuit comes into play...)

If you have further questions on this, regarding legal rights or vax rights as

parents let me know and I can get you the phone number and email of a local vax

expert and he can answer any question you have regarding any vax related issue.

He has heloped me out a few times as well as another friend of mine.

Hope this helps and take care!

San , CA

erinrlewis <erinrlewis@...> wrote:

Thanks Anita... those are good points. Do you know if in the measles

outbreaks, for instance, more vaxed kids contracted it than unvaxed (a

higher percentage, I mean)? Any numbers on that kind of thing would

be appreciated.

(snip)

> You will have to come to a final decision about ALL vaccines as

the law doesn't allow one to pick and choose.

I have heard some moms say that they just don't report the vaxes that

they did get... and nobody asked them about it. And if I homeschool,

is anyone going to ask anyway? I wonder if there's a way to get a

religious/moral exemption from MMR/VV because they were made from

aborted fetus cell lines...

Thanks!

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[Guest guest]

If you or your husband has an egg allergy or severe food allergies, history of

asthma (even as a child) or prone to illness (compromised immune system) you

might be able to get an exemption. I know in CA you can sign a waiver for any

reason you want. Whether it be religious, cultural, or personal.

<claudiaayaz@...> wrote: Don't. Get the forms from your

health department (if

there is a form - see Sheri's website for relevant

info) and follow the exemption exactly. If you feel

you must vaccinate (although if you spend any time

reading the posts on here, plus Sheri's and 's

websites, you're highly unlikely to wish to), then by

all means do, just simply don't tell anyone. If the

school finds out that you do selectively vaccinate,

they may give you trouble or not. Don't risk that.

--- erinrlewis <erinrlewis@...> wrote:

> I am in GA, and I know we can get either medical or

> religious

> exemptions, but not philosophical. I guess I could

> ask the ped for

> the forms and see if they have any info on

> selectively vaxing.

>

>

> > Just one nit-pick, Anita. In the US, every state

> is different when

> it comes to vaccination laws. Some DO allow you to

> pick and choose, by

> way of the religious exemption. For example, a

> Catholic could object

> to vaccines that are grown on aborted human fetal

> cells but have no

> problem with those that are not.

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Are you referring to a philosophical exemption? is the waiver a seperate

document?

Anita

Riche <allisonriche@...> wrote:

If you or your husband has an egg allergy or severe food allergies, history of

asthma (even as a child) or prone to illness (compromised immune system) you

might be able to get an exemption. I know in CA you can sign a waiver for any

reason you want. Whether it be religious, cultural, or personal.

wrote: Don't. Get the forms from your health department (if

there is a form - see Sheri's website for relevant

info) and follow the exemption exactly. If you feel

you must vaccinate (although if you spend any time

reading the posts on here, plus Sheri's and 's

websites, you're highly unlikely to wish to), then by

all means do, just simply don't tell anyone. If the

school finds out that you do selectively vaccinate,

they may give you trouble or not. Don't risk that.

--- erinrlewis wrote:

> I am in GA, and I know we can get either medical or

> religious

> exemptions, but not philosophical. I guess I could

> ask the ped for

> the forms and see if they have any info on

> selectively vaxing.

>

>

> > Just one nit-pick, Anita. In the US, every state

> is different when

> it comes to vaccination laws. Some DO allow you to

> pick and choose, by

> way of the religious exemption. For example, a

> Catholic could object

> to vaccines that are grown on aborted human fetal

> cells but have no

> problem with those that are not.

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

So, if i never enroll her in daycare or school, do I even need an

exemption? Nobody else would ask for it, right?

> As far as I know and from what I experienced during

> our stay in the US, it is just for the schools.