Iodine

August 31, 2006

>From: " mem_mem_me " <maryellenmu@...>

>Hi, I am new to this group. I have been on cortisol replacement 6mg

>of medrol and 2/12 grains armour for several month. Still not feeling

>great.

One thing, is Medrol is a synthetic analog of the real hormone which is

cortisol or hydrocortisone.

One difference, with Medrol vs. hydrocortisone is that it's missing the

mineralocorticoid qualities of the bio-identical hormone. That's why, the

following excerpt from the product lit says hydrocortisone is first choice

for adrenal insufficiency -

http://rxlist.com/cgi/generic/methprd_ids.htm

Primary or secondary adrenocortical insufficiency (hydrocortisone or

cortisone is the first choice; synthetic analogs may be used in conjunction

with mineralocorticoids where applicable;

According to the Corticosteroid converter at http://tinyurl.com/j2tyo

methylprednisone (Medrol) is equivalent to 30 mg of hydrocortisone.

That's important because one theory about cortisol replacement, is that if

it's not to the level of 's Disease, the adrenals produce about 40 mg

of cortisol a day, so a dosage of 20 mg is about half of that, and not

likely to suppress the HPA axis. You want to rest or supplement your

adrenals, you don't want to shut down production completely, so at 30 mg you

have to be careful not to do so. In the short term, it's not going to hurt

to suppress the adrenals, but in the long term it'll cause atrophy and

dependence.

Of course, if your ACTH is tested periodically, and it's in the normal

range, that implies that's the HPA axis isn't suppressed.

If your on it for something other than adrenal insufficiency, you still have

to be careful not to suppress adrenal function in the long term.

The one advantage of methylprednisone over hydrocortisone is you probably

only have to take 1 pill a day. With HC, one should take 5 mg 4 times per

day, because it's short lived.

I took Prednisone on a trial once, because it was cheaper than HC, and it's

not nearly the same. It put me in real bad shape. Mineralocoricoids help

you retain salt. (Lack of which causes frequent urination for one problem.)

I craved salt until I went on HC,then one day I noticed I didn't even add

salt to my wife's cooking any more.

>I have hashi's and secondary adreanl insuffciency. I take vitamin C,

>selenium. How much selenium should I take.

That depends in part on your diet. Too much selenium is supposed to be bad,

so I think some consider the upward limit to be 200 mcg. Of course, some

people say if you have toxins that bind with selenium, like mercury, it

helps to take more because it's escorting the toxins away and you're not

over dosing.

Is

>

>lugol's drops better to start off with so you can take the iodine

>slow. What are some of your results if you have hashi's.

I don't have Hashi's, so I'll let others answer.

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I think you'll find that current research says that an 's

replacement dose IS 20-25-30 mg. of H/C (it does vary according to

source). I think the 40 mg. used to be standard until research

across the world showed that was over-replacement. I guess their

testing procedures got better? or maybe current research is just

plain wrong...dunno. But it was a shock to me to learn the 20 mg.

h/c AF protocol is considered an addison's dose for some.

I do know that Jefferies studies were done with cortisone acetate,

which is 20% weaker. Which also accounts for his 4x a day dosing as

opposed to other sources who recommend 2x a day dosing with h/c for

addison's....or the one I like, Lowe's protocol with 3x a day dosing

to mimic the body's natural rhythm.

So although this is very individual according to factors like weight

(body mass surface can be used to find someone's addison's dose)...I

agree that 30 mg. would be supressive - but I also think there are

folks who would have considerable suppression at 20 mg. The

research does, however, indicate that adrenal suppression is highly

variable among individuals...and suppression may happen with even 15

mg. So your suggestion of testing for this is good imo as risk of

permanent suppression/adrenal atrophy increases with time. I'm glad

your ACTH is still going good. I would have to wonder about folks

who have taken 20 mg. for 2 years or more.

But i'm curious - what would you consider short term treatment for

adrenal fatigue with H/C? a couple of months?

cindi

-- In iodine , " Skipper Beers " <lsb149@...> wrote:

>

> That's important because one theory about cortisol replacement, is

that if

> it's not to the level of 's Disease, the adrenals produce

about 40 mg

> of cortisol a day, so a dosage of 20 mg is about half of that, and

not

> likely to suppress the HPA axis. You want to rest or supplement

your

> adrenals, you don't want to shut down production completely, so at

30 mg you

> have to be careful not to do so. In the short term, it's not

going to hurt

> to suppress the adrenals, but in the long term it'll cause atrophy

and

> dependence.

>

> Of course, if your ACTH is tested periodically, and it's in the

normal

> range, that implies that's the HPA axis isn't suppressed.

>

> If your on it for something other than adrenal insufficiency, you

still have

> to be careful not to suppress adrenal function in the long term.

September 25, 2006

>From: " cindi22595 " <cindi22595@...>

>I think you'll find that current research says that an 's

>replacement dose IS 20-25-30 mg. of H/C (it does vary according to

>source). I think the 40 mg. used to be standard until research

>across the world showed that was over-replacement. I guess their

>testing procedures got better? or maybe current research is just

>plain wrong...dunno. But it was a shock to me to learn the 20 mg.

>h/c AF protocol is considered an addison's dose for some.

Along with that 20 mg for 's, does that include the Florinef they

usually take with it, thus increasing the actual potency?

Also, I don't know what the aborption is, but I doubt if the full 20 mg is

absorbed.

So your suggestion of testing for this is good imo as risk of

>permanent suppression/adrenal atrophy increases with time. I'm glad

>your ACTH is still going good. I would have to wonder about folks

>who have taken 20 mg. for 2 years or more.

I'm thinking they would know if it created 's Disease in them. Maybe

not, but again by testing ACTH they can see if it is suppressed.

>

>But i'm curious - what would you consider short term treatment for

>adrenal fatigue with H/C? a couple of months?

Short term is as long as you need it. If one is starting thyroid

medication, they will do better with HC, and many of those only need it for

a period of time because once the thyroid kicks in the adrenals work better

and the cortisol goes up. Since you're already on Armour, I'm assuming it

didn't increase your cortisol, which implies you may simply need HC, or you

just need to rest your adrenals for a period of time because they are

straining too hard to keep up. I heard of one woman who's doctor gave her

prednisone for two years for the purpose of resting her adrenals, at the end

of that time she stopped, and her own adrenal production kicked in and she

was fine.

Skipper

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>

> >>

> Along with that 20 mg for 's, does that include the

Florinef they

> usually take with it, thus increasing the actual potency?

>

> Also, I don't know what the aborption is, but I doubt if the full

20 mg is

> absorbed.

on absorption...i think it's 60% absorbed...but i'm sure that can

vary with folks, esp. with adrenal or hypo digestive issues. but

the literature usually talks in terms of the H/C exogeneous

amount...not endogeneous.

on the Florinef...I haven't gotten to that part of it yet...and

exactly why that is taken by some...and not others...wish i knew

that...the h/c alone has me bogged down enough. :-)

>

> I'm thinking they would know if it created 's Disease in

them. Maybe

> not, but again by testing ACTH they can see if it is suppressed.

right...which is why i was curious when you mentioned testing ACTH.

honest to goodness...there is no good definitive info on this...it

just appears so variable as to who/what/etc. on suppression...that

i'm guessing this is the biggest reason the majority of docs just

refuse to deal with the issue of sub-replacement doses.

>

> Short term is as long as you need it. If one is starting thyroid

> medication, they will do better with HC, and many of those only

need it for

> a period of time because once the thyroid kicks in the adrenals

work better

> and the cortisol goes up. Since you're already on Armour, I'm

assuming it

> didn't increase your cortisol, which implies you may simply need

HC, or you

> just need to rest your adrenals for a period of time because they

are

> straining too hard to keep up. I heard of one woman who's doctor

gave her

> prednisone for two years for the purpose of resting her adrenals,

at the end

> of that time she stopped, and her own adrenal production kicked in

and she

> was fine.

No major disagreement with anything here...other than the

aforementioned risk of adrenal suppression becoming extended or

permanent with some folks...as well as the risk of adrenal atrophy.

I know Peatfield sometimes uses Prednisone, but my understanding is

that the more potent the replacement...that that is a risk factor

for suppression...so it seems like to me long-term for two years

with Prednisone was sorta risky...but hey, if it worked, Great!

Cindi

September 25, 2006

>From: " cindi22595 " <cindi22595@...>

>on the Florinef...I haven't gotten to that part of it yet...and

>exactly why that is taken by some...and not others...wish i knew

>that...the h/c alone has me bogged down enough. :-)

Most patients with full blown 's are on Florinef. I think you have

to add that potency to that of the HC, and I don't have a clue as to how to

do that.

Anyways, they are usually on Florinef because it's a matter of life and

death. It mimicks aldosterone and helps you maintain even more sodium than

does Cortef. However, I wouldn't want to take it because it's a fluorinated

drug, just like that bad one you took. It's one that I've never heard

anyone complain about though, so I don't know if it causes fluoride

poisoing. However, being anti-fluoride, I would try licorice first, as that

mimicks florinef.

that

>i'm guessing this is the biggest reason the majority of docs just

>refuse to deal with the issue of sub-replacement doses.

And I thought it was the same reason they didn't treat hypothyroidism

adequately, or recommend vitmains and a good diet because it's not very

profitable.

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why not consult Hormone Solutions by Thierry Hertoghe MD, or his latest book

just published to educate docs but for laymen too. It is very clear and

concise. My friend ne took Florinef and certainly needed it, b/c she

had a hard time staying vertical (dizzy). I wouldn't count on conventional

medicine for accurate information.

Gracia

> >From: " cindi22595 " <cindi22595@...>

>

>>on the Florinef...I haven't gotten to that part of it yet...and

>>exactly why that is taken by some...and not others...wish i knew

>>that...the h/c alone has me bogged down enough. :-)

>

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>>

>

> that

> >i'm guessing this is the biggest reason the majority of docs just

> >refuse to deal with the issue of sub-replacement doses.

>

> And I thought it was the same reason they didn't treat

hypothyroidism

> adequately, or recommend vitmains and a good diet because it's not

very

> profitable.

lol..well one doctor told me I was in danger of imminent death

because of my suppressed TSH....so i do think they worry about

getting sued for anything that actually requires them to

individualize treatment or go against the " standard of care " that is

established.

>

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January 4, 2008

I have only been taking iodine since Sept. I can tell a HUGE

difference in the way I feel. I continute to read the posts because I

keep learning more and more each day from this group. I am thankful

for all the information this group provides. I also learn of new

things iodine is good for helping and share this info with my other

family members.

Janie

>

> I have been reading posts for quite a while now that have bee

advocating

> iodine for so many diseases, and symptoms, high readings, low

readings

> no readings.

>

> The question I have is this:

>

> If all of the people who have been taking iodine are convinced it

does all

> these things, why are you still on these lists and why do you

still have

> symptoms?

>

> It would seem that if iodine was such a miracle, you would all be

> out dancing and having a wonderful time, but that doesn't seem to

be

> the case.

>

> Roni

>

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January 4, 2008

Once you lose your thyroid you are never the same. People feel better when taking iodine vs. not.. Plus the added benefit of keeping the cancer away. I think that the endos completely make you feel like everything will be fine after they cut the thyroid out or fail to mention how terrible it is gonna be that the only other option is to become educated yourself and take our health into our own hands. Not having a thyroid means having to take many things everyday, some work and some do not so you have many different levels of feeling well. It definitely is not take this pill and you will feel normal again.On Jan 4, 2008, at 9:17 PM, Roni Molin wrote:I have been reading posts for quite a while now that have bee advocatingiodine for so many diseases, and symptoms, high readings, low readingsno readings. The question I have is this: If all of the people who have been taking iodine are convinced it does allthese things, why are you still on these lists and why do you still havesymptoms? It would seem that if iodine was such a miracle, you would all beout dancing and having a wonderful time, but that doesn't seem to bethe case. RoniLooking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Molinbrian.molin@...404-457-8451www.myspace.com/quozrockscom and www.myspace.com/sweetwaterjunction

January 4, 2008

Thank you for your answer. I believe I still have thyroid left, at least no one has said I don't. Sorry you don't feel good al the time. I know how lousy that is and I hope they come up with some other things that would help us all. Roni Molin <brian.molin@...> wrote: Once you lose your thyroid you are never the same. People feel better when taking iodine vs. not.. Plus the added benefit of keeping the cancer away. I think that the endos completely make you feel like

everything will be fine after they cut the thyroid out or fail to mention how terrible it is gonna be that the only other option is to become educated yourself and take our health into our own hands. Not having a thyroid means having to take many things everyday, some work and some do not so you have many different levels of feeling well. It definitely is not take this pill and you will feel normal again. On Jan 4, 2008, at 9:17 PM, Roni Molin wrote: I

have been reading posts for quite a while now that have bee advocating iodine for so many diseases, and symptoms, high readings, low readings no readings. The question I have is this: If all of the people who have been taking iodine are convinced it does all these things, why are you still on these lists and why do you still have symptoms? It would seem that if iodine was such a miracle, you would all be out dancing and having a wonderful time, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Roni Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with

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January 4, 2008

I have been reading posts for quite a while now that have bee advocating

iodine for so many diseases, and symptoms, high readings, low readings

no readings.

The question I have is this:

If all of the people who have been taking iodine are convinced it does all

these things, why are you still on these lists and why do you still have

symptoms?

The damage done by low iodine can be anywhere from fatigue to damaged thryoid like Hashimotos or Graves to cancer. These things take time to heal. The entire iodine movement is relatively new and we are still learning what happens when you use higher doses of iodine. For me it put my cancer in check but I am having other nutrient issues that I am not sure are tied to taking iodine or gut absorption issues due to RAI. This is a great place to ask questions and share experiences. Keep in mind that there are over 1,400 members here. Most do not post. The ones posting for the most part are new (within the last year) and there are a few "old timers" that stay to help educate others (like myself - however I own the group) on the benefits of iodine becuase it has worked for them so well.

It would seem that if iodine was such a miracle, you would all be

out dancing and having a wonderful time, but that doesn't seem to be

the case.

I am dancing. I enjoy helping so that is why I own the group. My live goal is to get my ND degree so I can do this as a job. I learn a lot from what is shared that in the future will help my clients as well

Roni

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January 4, 2008

May I ask a huge difference in what? What symptoms did you have before and what has changed? Ronijaniebeau <JanieBea@...> wrote: I have only been taking iodine since Sept. I can tell a HUGE difference in the way I feel. I continute to read the posts because I keep learning more and more each day from this group. I am thankful for all the information this group provides. I also learn of new things iodine is good for helping and share this info with my other family

members.Janie>> I have been reading posts for quite a while now that have bee advocating> iodine for so many diseases, and symptoms, high readings, low readings> no readings.> > The question I have is this:> > If all of the people who have been taking iodine are convinced it does all> these things, why are you still on these lists and why do you still have> symptoms?> > It would seem that if iodine was such a miracle, you would all be> out dancing and having a wonderful time, but that doesn't seem to be> the case.> > Roni> > > ---------------------------------> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with

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January 4, 2008

I am sure your goals and your intentions are the best. The thing that worries me is that iodine is prescribed on this list by people who have no way of knowing if the person needs it or not. These prescriptions could work out fine for many, I'm sure, but for some they could really be a problem. Not everyone is well informed, and some people come to these lists with very little nutritional knowledge, let alone knowledge about themselves and what is going on with them. I shudder to think what could happen if someone reads an enthusiastic prescription from someone on here and goes out and doses themselves with too much. They could become extremely ill, and maybe even worse. Roniladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...> wrote: I have been reading posts for quite a while now that have bee advocating iodine for so many diseases, and symptoms, high readings, low readings no readings. The question I have is this: If all of the people who have been taking iodine are convinced it does all these things, why are you still on these lists and why do you still have symptoms? The damage done by low iodine can be anywhere from fatigue to damaged thryoid like Hashimotos or Graves to cancer. These things take time to heal. The entire iodine movement is relatively new and we are still learning what happens when you use higher doses of iodine. For me it put my cancer in check but I am having other nutrient issues that I am not sure are tied to taking iodine or gut absorption issues due to RAI. This is a great place to ask questions and share experiences. Keep in mind that there are over 1,400 members here. Most do not post. The ones posting for the most part are new (within the last year) and there are a few "old timers" that stay to help educate others (like myself - however I own the group) on the benefits of iodine becuase it has worked for them so well. It would seem that if iodine was such a miracle, you would all be out dancing and having a wonderful time, but that doesn't seem to be the case. I am dancing. I enjoy helping so that is why I own the group. My live goal is to get my ND degree so I can do this as a job. I learn a lot from what is shared that in the future will help my clients as well Roni Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search.

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That's where you show you do not have the knowledge about iodine that the "veterans" here do. I have read close to 300 research articles and talk with top iodine docs from all over the US on a regular basis. I helped Dr. Brownstein write his last edition of the iodine book and am studying to be a naturopathic doctor. My Dr has tested his patients for iodine levels and 90% of the patients are deficient.

There is always a risk with these lists but it is up to the person that comes seeking information to read and learn and decide for themselves. That is the problem with our healthcare system. We all want to be taken care of with a quick fix and no one wants to take the time to learn. Shame on anyone who runs off and starts taking iodine just because many of us have had good results. It isn't that easy. That is why I recommend the supporting nutrients over and over again and recommend getting lab levels done.

Re: Iodine

I am sure your goals and your intentions are the best. The thing that worries me

is that iodine is prescribed on this list by people who have no way of knowing if

the person needs it or not.

These prescriptions could work out fine for many, I'm sure, but for some they could

really be a problem. Not everyone is well informed, and some people come to these

lists with very little nutritional knowledge, let alone knowledge about themselves and

what is going on with them. I shudder to think what could happen if someone reads

an enthusiastic prescription from someone on here and goes out and doses themselves

with too much. They could become extremely ill, and maybe even worse.

Roniladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...> wrote:

I have been reading posts for quite a while now that have bee advocating

iodine for so many diseases, and symptoms, high readings, low readings

no readings.

The question I have is this:

If all of the people who have been taking iodine are convinced it does all

these things, why are you still on these lists and why do you still have

symptoms?

The damage done by low iodine can be anywhere from fatigue to damaged thryoid like Hashimotos or Graves to cancer. These things take time to heal. The entire iodine movement is relatively new and we are still learning what happens when you use higher doses of iodine. For me it put my cancer in check but I am having other nutrient issues that I am not sure are tied to taking iodine or gut absorption issues due to RAI. This is a great place to ask questions and share experiences. Keep in mind that there are over 1,400 members here. Most do not post. The ones posting for the most part are new (within the last year) and there are a few "old timers" that stay to help educate others (like myself - however I own the group) on the benefits of iodine becuase it has worked for them so well.

It would seem that if iodine was such a miracle, you would all be

out dancing and having a wonderful time, but that doesn't seem to be

the case.

I am dancing. I enjoy helping so that is why I own the group. My live goal is to get my ND degree so I can do this as a job. I learn a lot from what is shared that in the future will help my clients as well

Roni

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January 4, 2008

Yes, you do, and I have no quarrel with you. However there are those that don't, and prescribe iodine, and high levels of iodine, without knowing whether or not the person needs it, only from the symptoms the person presents on this list. Those things could be from any number of other causes too, and iodine might not be the best thing for them. I think if we don't know what is going on, especially with a newbee that we advise them to get tested first. JMHO :-) Roniladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...> wrote: That's where you show you do not have the knowledge about iodine that the "veterans" here do. I have read close to 300 research articles and talk with top iodine docs from all over the US on a regular basis. I helped Dr. Brownstein write his last edition of the iodine book and am studying to be a naturopathic doctor. My Dr has tested his patients for iodine levels and 90% of the patients are deficient. There is always a risk with these lists but it is up to the person that comes seeking information to read and learn and decide for themselves. That is the problem with our healthcare system. We all want to be taken care of with a quick fix and no one wants to take the time to learn. Shame on anyone who runs off and starts taking

iodine just because many of us have had good results. It isn't that easy. That is why I recommend the supporting nutrients over and over again and recommend getting lab levels done. Re: Iodine I am sure your goals and your intentions are the

best. The thing that worries me is that iodine is prescribed on this list by people who have no way of knowing if the person needs it or not. These prescriptions could work out fine for many, I'm sure, but for some they could really be a problem. Not everyone is well informed, and some people come to these lists with very little nutritional knowledge, let alone knowledge about themselves and what is going on with them. I shudder to think what could happen if someone reads an enthusiastic prescription from someone on here and goes out and doses themselves with too much. They could become extremely ill, and maybe even worse. Roniladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbeessbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote: I have been reading posts for quite a while now that have bee advocating iodine for so many diseases, and symptoms, high readings, low readings no readings. The question I have is this: If all of the people who have been taking iodine are convinced it does all these things, why are you still on these lists and why do you still have symptoms? The damage done by low iodine can be anywhere from fatigue to damaged thryoid like Hashimotos or Graves to cancer. These things take time to heal. The entire iodine movement is relatively new and we are still learning what happens when you use higher doses of iodine. For me it put my cancer in check but I

am having other nutrient issues that I am not sure are tied to taking iodine or gut absorption issues due to RAI. This is a great place to ask questions and share experiences. Keep in mind that there are over 1,400 members here. Most do not post. The ones posting for the most part are new (within the last year) and there are a few "old timers" that stay to help educate others (like myself - however I own the group) on the benefits of iodine becuase it has worked for them so well. It would seem that if iodine was such a miracle, you would all be out dancing and having a wonderful time, but that doesn't seem to be the case. I am dancing. I enjoy helping so that is why I own the group. My live goal is to get my ND degree so

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January 4, 2008

Hi , Roni, and all,

*For me* Iodoral is a miracle. It enabled me to decrease my basal insulin by almost half~! I'm a believer.

Each person must take what they hear here and consult with their doc or research for themselves and them decide whether to use a particular protocol, or not.

I really appreciate your input , on all of the lists where I see you.

42 year thyca survivor

Re: Iodine

Many people on this and other lists have severe deficiency diseases which are not addressed easily with supplmentation of any single vitamin or mineral. No one here is saying that iodine is a miracle, but as part of a larger regimine it has proven very effecive through objective evaluation and scientific study.What you can't see from these lists is the number of people who are no longer here because their issues relieved through the counsel they received here.Maybe you could be more specific about your concerns - is there something in particular you're dealing with; in what capacity are you asking this question?>> I have been reading posts for quite a while now that have bee advocating> iodine for so many diseases, and symptoms, high readings, low readings> no readings.> > The question I have is this:> > If all of the people who have been taking iodine are convinced it does all> these things, why are you still on these lists and why do you still have> symptoms?> > It would seem that if iodine was such a miracle, you would all be> out dancing and having a wonderful time, but that doesn't seem to be> the case.> > Roni> > > ---------------------------------> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search.>

January 4, 2008

That is always a problem on a group like this. All levels of knowledge and understanding. There isn't anything that can be done to control that. Each person must be responsible for themselves and what they chose to do or not do. No one is forcing anyone to do anything.

Re: Iodine

I am sure your goals and your intentions are the best. The thing that worries me

is that iodine is prescribed on this list by people who have no way of knowing if

the person needs it or not.

These prescriptions could work out fine for many, I'm sure, but for some they could

really be a problem. Not everyone is well informed, and some people come to these

lists with very little nutritional knowledge, let alone knowledge about themselves and

what is going on with them. I shudder to think what could happen if someone reads

an enthusiastic prescription from someone on here and goes out and doses themselves

with too much. They could become extremely ill, and maybe even worse.

Roniladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbeessbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:

I have been reading posts for quite a while now that have bee advocating

iodine for so many diseases, and symptoms, high readings, low readings

no readings.

The question I have is this:

If all of the people who have been taking iodine are convinced it does all

these things, why are you still on these lists and why do you still have

symptoms?

The damage done by low iodine can be anywhere from fatigue to damaged thryoid like Hashimotos or Graves to cancer. These things take time to heal. The entire iodine movement is relatively new and we are still learning what happens when you use higher doses of iodine. For me it put my cancer in check but I am having other nutrient issues that I am not sure are tied to taking iodine or gut absorption issues due to RAI. This is a great place to ask questions and share experiences. Keep in mind that there are over 1,400 members here. Most do not post. The ones posting for the most part are new (within the last year) and there are a few "old timers" that stay to help educate others (like myself - however I own the group) on the benefits of iodine becuase it has worked for them so well.

It would seem that if iodine was such a miracle, you would all be

out dancing and having a wonderful time, but that doesn't seem to be

the case.

I am dancing. I enjoy helping so that is why I own the group. My live goal is to get my ND degree so I can do this as a job. I learn a lot from what is shared that in the future will help my clients as well

Roni

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My mother was hypothyroid, was given iodine, developed a goiter, had it removed at their insistance. She had a heart attack at the age of 39. She had other problems such as resistance to anesthesia, reacting backwards to certain drugs, etc. I have many of these things, plus a tendency to become allergic to things and then I can't use them at all, like morphine and codeine. I take as little or nothing as possible, because I never know when I will react to something. It's very frightening. Ronicathyedens <cathyedens@...> wrote: Many people on this and other lists have severe deficiency diseases which are not addressed easily with supplmentation of any single vitamin or mineral. No one here is saying that iodine is a miracle, but as part of a larger regimine it has proven very effective through objective evaluation and scientific study.What you can't see from these lists is the number of people who are no longer here because their issues relieved through the counsel they received here.Maybe you could be more specific about your concerns - is there something in particular you're dealing with; in what capacity are you asking this question?>> I have been reading posts for quite a while now that

have bee advocating> iodine for so many diseases, and symptoms, high readings, low readings> no readings.> > The question I have is this:> > If all of the people who have been taking iodine are convinced it does all> these things, why are you still on these lists and why do you still have> symptoms?> > It would seem that if iodine was such a miracle, you would all be> out dancing and having a wonderful time, but that doesn't seem to be> the case.> > Roni> > > ---------------------------------> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search.>

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I do want to say one other thing about this subject. One doesn't have to be a verteran of this list to have some knowledge about their conditions and body reactions, as well as their family genetic history. For example, people get penicillin to heal them, for me it kills. Ronib53cjf <b53cjf@...> wrote: In defense of Roni, I have to say one does not need to proclaim to bean expert in order to see over time that many people here mostcertainly have taken high dose

iodine without doing the very manythings that should be done to avoid adverse effects. There havebeen many posts telling people to take certain doses without a mentionof getting tested for anything. And we have all seen posts from people who did have adverse effectsfrom it, some who haven't done all the 'right' things, and some who have.I believe most people are intelligent enough to draw their ownconclusions based on the evidence, provided all the evidence is given,which frequently does not happen.> > > > I have been reading posts for quite a while now

that have beeadvocating> iodine for so many diseases, and symptoms, high readings, lowreadings> no readings.> > The question I have is this:> > If all of the people who have been taking iodine are convincedit does all> these things, why are you still on these lists and why do youstill have> symptoms?> > The damage done by low iodine can be anywhere from fatigue todamaged thryoid like Hashimotos or Graves to cancer. These thingstake time to heal. The entire iodine movement is relatively new andwe are still learning what happens when you use higher doses ofiodine. For me it put my cancer in check but I am having othernutrient issues that I am not sure are tied to taking iodine or gutabsorption issues due to RAI. This is a great place to ask questionsand share experiences. Keep in mind that there are over 1,400 membershere. Most do not post. The ones posting

for the most part are new(within the last year) and there are a few "old timers" that stay tohelp educate others (like myself - however I own the group) on thebenefits of iodine becuase it has worked for them so well.> > > It would seem that if iodine was such a miracle, you would all be> out dancing and having a wonderful time, but that doesn't seemto be> the case.> > I am dancing. I enjoy helping so that is why I own thegroup. My live goal is to get my ND degree so I can do this as a job.I learn a lot from what is shared that in the future will help myclients as well> > > > > > Roni> >----------------------------------------------------------> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. > > > >

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That is really great and I'm so happy for you that it worked. You are totally correct in saying that each person needs to gather information and then speak with their doctor and get tested. Ronilindamail@... wrote: Hi , Roni, and all, *For me* Iodoral is a miracle. It

enabled me to decrease my basal insulin by almost half~! I'm a believer. Each person must take what they hear here and consult with their doc or research for themselves and them decide whether to use a particular protocol, or not. I really appreciate your input , on all of the lists where I see you. 42 year thyca survivor Re: Iodine Many people on this and other lists have severe deficiency diseases which are not addressed easily with supplmentation of any single vitamin or mineral. No one here is saying that iodine is a miracle, but as part of a larger regimine it has proven very effecive through objective evaluation and scientific study.What you can't see from these lists is the number of people who are no longer here because their issues relieved through the counsel they received here.Maybe you could be more specific

about your concerns - is there something in particular you're dealing with; in what capacity are you asking this question?>> I have been reading posts for quite a while now that have bee advocating> iodine for so many diseases, and symptoms, high readings, low readings> no readings.> > The question I have is this:> > If all of the people who have been taking iodine are convinced it does all> these things, why are you still on these lists and why do you still have> symptoms?> > It would seem that if iodine was such a miracle, you would all be> out dancing and having a wonderful time, but that doesn't seem to be> the case.> > Roni> > > --------------------------------->

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Oh, of course no one can force anyone to do anything, except if they hold a piece of chocolate in front of me :-). I do think it is important though to make sure we tell new poeple to check themselves out with their doctors. Roniladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...> wrote: That is always a problem on a group like this. All levels of knowledge and understanding. There isn't anything that can be done to control that. Each

person must be responsible for themselves and what they chose to do or not do. No one is forcing anyone to do anything. Re: Iodine I am sure your goals and your intentions are the best. The thing that worries me is that iodine is prescribed on this list by people who have no way of knowing if the person needs it or not. These prescriptions could work out fine for many, I'm sure, but for some they could really be a problem. Not everyone is well informed, and some people come to these lists with very little nutritional

knowledge, let alone knowledge about themselves and what is going on with them. I shudder to think what could happen if someone reads an enthusiastic prescription from someone on here and goes out and doses themselves with too much. They could become extremely ill, and maybe even worse. Roniladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbeessbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote: I have been reading posts for quite a while now that have bee advocating iodine for so many diseases, and symptoms, high readings, low readings no readings. The question I have is this: If all of the people who have been taking iodine are convinced it does all these things, why are you still on these lists and why do you still have symptoms? The damage done by low iodine can be anywhere from fatigue to damaged thryoid like Hashimotos or Graves to cancer. These things take time to heal. The entire iodine movement is relatively new and we are still learning what happens when you use higher doses of iodine. For me it put my cancer in check but I am having other nutrient issues that I am not sure are tied to taking iodine or gut absorption issues due to RAI. This is a great place to ask questions and share experiences. Keep in mind that there are over 1,400 members here. Most do not post. The ones posting for the most part are new (within the last year) and there are a few "old timers" that stay to help educate others (like myself -

however I own the group) on the benefits of iodine becuase it has worked for them so well. It would seem that if iodine was such a miracle, you would all be out dancing and having a wonderful time, but that doesn't seem to be the case. I am dancing. I enjoy helping so that is why I own the group. My live goal is to get my ND degree so I can do this as a job. I learn a lot from what is shared that in the future will help my clients as well Roni Looking for last

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-I really appreciate all the information I have gotten on here.

Iodine was in our salt and in our flour but taken out so can't be

all that dangerous. Of all the posts I have read, they seem to be

sensible and ask quesions as to how much each is taking and for what

symptoms. I wish I could go to one of the knowledgable doctors that

are in the know, but I cannot, so if there were none who cared and

shared, I would still be in the bed and probably goofy in the head.

Even now, will go to the kitchen and by the time I get there, don't

know why. LOL

-- In iodine , " ladybugsandbees "

<ladybugsandbees@...> wrote:

>

> That's where you show you do not have the knowledge about iodine

that the " veterans " here do. I have read close to 300 research

articles and talk with top iodine docs from all over the US on a

regular basis. I helped Dr. Brownstein write his last edition of

the iodine book and am studying to be a naturopathic doctor. My Dr

has tested his patients for iodine levels and 90% of the patients

are deficient.

>

> There is always a risk with these lists but it is up to the person

that comes seeking information to read and learn and decide for

themselves. That is the problem with our healthcare system. We all

want to be taken care of with a quick fix and no one wants to take

the time to learn. Shame on anyone who runs off and starts taking

iodine just because many of us have had good results. It isn't that

easy. That is why I recommend the supporting nutrients over and

over again and recommend getting lab levels done.

>

> Re: Iodine

>

> I am sure your goals and your intentions are the best. The thing

that worries me

> is that iodine is prescribed on this list by people who have no

way of knowing if

> the person needs it or not.

>

> These prescriptions could work out fine for many, I'm sure, but

for some they could

> really be a problem. Not everyone is well informed, and some

people come to these

> lists with very little nutritional knowledge, let alone

knowledge about themselves and

> what is going on with them. I shudder to think what could happen

if someone reads

> an enthusiastic prescription from someone on here and goes out

and doses themselves

> with too much. They could become extremely ill, and maybe even

worse.

>

> Roni

>

> ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...> wrote:

>

> I have been reading posts for quite a while now that have

bee advocating

> iodine for so many diseases, and symptoms, high readings,

low readings

> no readings.

>

> The question I have is this:

>

> If all of the people who have been taking iodine are

convinced it does all

> these things, why are you still on these lists and why do

you still have

> symptoms?

>

> The damage done by low iodine can be anywhere from fatigue

to damaged thryoid like Hashimotos or Graves to cancer. These

things take time to heal. The entire iodine movement is relatively

new and we are still learning what happens when you use higher doses

of iodine. For me it put my cancer in check but I am having other

nutrient issues that I am not sure are tied to taking iodine or gut

absorption issues due to RAI. This is a great place to ask

questions and share experiences. Keep in mind that there are over

1,400 members here. Most do not post. The ones posting for the

most part are new (within the last year) and there are a few " old

timers " that stay to help educate others (like myself - however I

own the group) on the benefits of iodine becuase it has worked for

them so well.

>

> It would seem that if iodine was such a miracle, you would

all be

> out dancing and having a wonderful time, but that doesn't

seem to be

> the case.

>

> I am dancing. I enjoy helping so that is why I own the

group. My live goal is to get my ND degree so I can do this as a

job. I learn a lot from what is shared that in the future will help

my clients as well

>

> Roni

>

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January 4, 2008

Resistence to anesthesia is a common problem in HYPERthyroid people - they

aren't

actually resistant, but rather metabolize it so fast that they can't be

regulated properly -

they wake up during surgery, or don't go under at all. Conversely, HYPOthyroid

people

tend to go under and stay under, because they don't metabolize quickly enough.

Both are

dangerous. I personally have woken up from general anesthesia twice during oral

surgery

many years before I was ever diagnosed hyperthyroid.

HYPERthyroid people need to be VERY careful with iodine, because it can trigger

the

antibody attacks that increase thyroid levels. Hyper people also can have

something called

a diffuse, toxic goiter, which is a goiter caused by inflammation of the thyroid

cells.

Maybe your mom was misdiagnosed and was hyper, or had fluctuating thyroid

levels.

> >

> > I have been reading posts for quite a while now that have bee advocating

> > iodine for so many diseases, and symptoms, high readings, low readings

> > no readings.

> >

> > The question I have is this:

> >

> > If all of the people who have been taking iodine are convinced it does all

> > these things, why are you still on these lists and why do you still have

> > symptoms?

> >

> > It would seem that if iodine was such a miracle, you would all be

> > out dancing and having a wonderful time, but that doesn't seem to be

> > the case.

> >

> > Roni

> >

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January 5, 2008

Check with their doctors???? My Austin Endo kept me hypo and fat and sick for FIVE years. Oh I checked in with him alright. I begged for thyroid medicines and I begged him to look at my 3 page list of symptoms that included low body temps. His response? He shrugged his shoulders. He was beyond useless: he wasted 5 years of my life.

I trust very few doctors (though I FINALLY found one in Austin who truly understands thyroid) and I encourage anyone who listens to do their own research for their own body, no matter who their doctor is. Trusting your doctor blindly can kill you, in my experience. Annie/Texas

-----Original Message-----From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Roni MolinSent: Friday, January 04, 2008 10:20 PMiodine Subject: Re: Iodine

Oh, of course no one can force anyone to do anything, except if they hold a piece of

chocolate in front of me :-). I do think it is important though to make sure we tell new

poeple to check themselves out with their doctors.