Guest guest Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 thanks for this Bob - this is interesting - I had a fibrous breast tissue blob (for want of a better word!) last year - so presumably adds weight to my thinking that I could be iodine deficient! Could the lipomas we have talked about be similar fibrous tissue caused by lack of iodine I wonder? Yes please do add this to your reading list Bob! I will have a look at the blog you mention. Cheers, Gill Hi Gill,[[..presumably if your thyroid isnt producing thyroid hormones at allthe body wont be able to use the iodine..]]my understanding is that many tissues in the body use iodine locally;breast tissue appears to need iodine to function properly, and othershave told me that cysts can be reduced this way..using iodine...I'll add this to my reading list, to expand the 'tissue knowledge' oniodine use.Jan in Oz (thyroidabout forum uk) has a blog with information on iodine.best wishesBob> >> > cheers Bob, think Im going to give iodine a try after reading > various articles about it, esp as I dont eat much seafood and also > reduced salt intake due to high BP. > > > > Has anyone tried taking Iodine?> > Gill> > > > > > Hi Gill> > > > Yes it is still available, in small bottles (25ml), due to > abuses....> > you may have to ask for it too....and they may also restrict > rapid > > repeat sales...> > > > best wishes> > Bob> > > > > the info you sent out Sheila re Iodine was very interesting and > Im > > going to look into this more.> > > > > > does anyone know if bog standard iodine is still available over > the > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------> ----------> > > > > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: > 21/12/07 13:17> >> > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------> > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.4/1310 - Release Date:04/03/2008 08:35> > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------> > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date:21/12/07 13:17> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: 21/12/07 13:17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 Gill, I'll combine the lipoma and iodine in the reading strategy.... Bob > > > > > > cheers Bob, think Im going to give iodine a try after reading > > various articles about it, esp as I dont eat much seafood and also > > reduced salt intake due to high BP. > > > > > > Has anyone tried taking Iodine? > > > Gill > > > > > > > > > Hi Gill > > > > > > Yes it is still available, in small bottles (25ml), due to > > abuses.... > > > you may have to ask for it too....and they may also restrict > > rapid > > > repeat sales... > > > > > > best wishes > > > Bob > > > > > > > the info you sent out Sheila re Iodine was very interesting and > > Im > > > going to look into this more. > > > > > > > > does anyone know if bog standard iodine is still available over > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: > > 21/12/07 13:17 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.4/1310 - Release Date: > 04/03/2008 08:35 > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: > 21/12/07 13:17 > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: 21/12/07 13:17 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 Bob, that's great - so good that you joined us - I think we'll keep you busy!! Gill I'll combine the lipoma and iodine in the reading strategy...>> > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------> > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date:21/12/07 13:17> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: 21/12/07 13:17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 Hi Gill This is me actining devil's advocate, rather than thyroid patient advocate LOL!. There is so much confusion with members being told they need iodine or they don't need iodine, or they must NOT use iodine, I needed Bob or somebody to come with the explanation that members would understand, as you have so nicely just done. I have antibodies to my thyroid, hense Hashimoto's, hence no thyroid tissue anymore, so no need for iodine. Luv - Sheila Sheila, Bob please correct me if Im wrong - but my understanding from the little Ive read so far is that Iodine is required for the thyroid to create thyroid hormones. Shortage of iodine can therefore lead to shortage of thyroid hormones. Some of the info i have read (Iodine Project is useful) indicates that many people are short of iodine esp if they dont eat seafood or get their iodine from iodized salt. I think what Bob means is that you need at least a partially functioning thyroid to be able to use the iodine - presumably if your thyroid isnt producing thyroid hormones at all the body wont be able to use the iodine. And if there's a functioning thyroid and we are taking T3/T4 and the body starts to make more as a result of the available iodine, this could lead to overdose of thyroid hormones = hyperT effect. Gill If we don't have 'the kit' does that mean we can use extra iodine? Luv - Sheila Hi Gill,Be careful when using iodine that you don't inadvertently overdose yourself and start making thyroid hormone (if you still have the 'kit').....If you start low and increase very slowly, look out for any signs and symptoms, as you might if incrementing up with Armour.Try and balance the two, if you are using Armour.Don't increase both at the same time, for instance.best wishesBob>> cheers Bob, think Im going to give iodine a try after reading various articles about it, esp as I dont eat much seafood and also reduced salt intake due to high BP. > > Has anyone tried taking Iodine?> Gill> > > Hi Gill> > Yes it is still available, in small bottles (25ml), due to abuses....> you may have to ask for it too....and they may also restrict rapid > repeat sales...> > best wishes> Bob> > > the info you sent out Sheila re Iodine was very interesting and Im > going to look into this more.> > > > does anyone know if bog standard iodine is still available over the > > >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------> > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: 21/12/07 13:17> No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.4/1310 - Release Date: 04/03/2008 08:35 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: 21/12/07 13:17 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.4/1310 - Release Date: 04/03/2008 08:35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 me got no thyroid - me got no teef . me got no problem! Luv - Sheila Dear Sheila,I'd still suggest using caution with iodine, until you get used to thesigns and symptoms that it affects.one thing that might improve is the teeth and/or gums....one of my amalgam fillings certainly looked as though it had reactedwith the iodine ~ reddish purple colouring...best wishesBob> >> > cheers Bob, think Im going to give iodine a try after reading > various articles about it, esp as I dont eat much seafood and also > reduced salt intake due to high BP. > > > > Has anyone tried taking Iodine?> > Gill> > > > > > Hi Gill> > > > Yes it is still available, in small bottles (25ml), due to > abuses....> > you may have to ask for it too....and they may also restrict > rapid > > repeat sales...> > > > best wishes> > Bob> > > > > the info you sent out Sheila re Iodine was very interesting and > Im > > going to look into this more.> > > > > > does anyone know if bog standard iodine is still available over > the > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------> ----------> > > > > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: > 21/12/07 13:17> >> > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------> > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.4/1310 - Release Date:04/03/2008 08:35> No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.4/1310 - Release Date: 04/03/2008 08:35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 I also had a fibrous tissue blob and had an appointment with Bradford St Luke's breast cancer department where I underwent all sorts of tests and examinations, but it was found to be nothing, much to my relief. This was about 5 years ago and at last, seems to have disappeared on its own now. Also interesting to know whether the lipoma on my back is related this way too? Luv - Sheila thanks for this Bob - this is interesting - I had a fibrous breast tissue blob (for want of a better word!) last year - so presumably adds weight to my thinking that I could be iodine deficient! Could the lipomas we have talked about be similar fibrous tissue caused by lack of iodine I wonder? Yes please do add this to your reading list Bob! I will have a look at the blog you mention. Cheers, Gill Hi Gill,[[..presumably if your thyroid isnt producing thyroid hormones at allthe body wont be able to use the iodine..]]my understanding is that many tissues in the body use iodine locally;breast tissue appears to need iodine to function properly, and othershave told me that cysts can be reduced this way..using iodine...I'll add this to my reading list, to expand the 'tissue knowledge' oniodine use.Jan in Oz (thyroidabout forum uk) has a blog with information on iodine.best wishesBob> >> > cheers Bob, think Im going to give iodine a try after reading > various articles about it, esp as I dont eat much seafood and also > reduced salt intake due to high BP. > > > > Has anyone tried taking Iodine?> > Gill> > > > > > Hi Gill> > > > Yes it is still available, in small bottles (25ml), due to > abuses....> > you may have to ask for it too....and they may also restrict > rapid > > repeat sales...> > > > best wishes> > Bob> > > > > the info you sent out Sheila re Iodine was very interesting and > Im > > going to look into this more.> > > > > > does anyone know if bog standard iodine is still available over > the > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------> ----------> > > > > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: > 21/12/07 13:17> >> > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------> > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.4/1310 - Release Date:04/03/2008 08:35> > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------> > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date:21/12/07 13:17> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: 21/12/07 13:17 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.4/1310 - Release Date: 04/03/2008 08:35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 But also as Bob has said, the body needs iodine for all sorts of tissues, not just the thyroid. I think when Ive done more looking into this and Bob has done some reading around it, we may be able to be clearer on this! As I understand it now iodine wont be beneficial to the thyroid unless its functioning - as you say (you devil's advocate you!!). Gill Hi Gill This is me actining devil's advocate, rather than thyroid patient advocate LOL!. There is so much confusion with members being told they need iodine or they don't need iodine, or they must NOT use iodine, I needed Bob or somebody to come with the explanation that members would understand, as you have so nicely just done. I have antibodies to my thyroid, hense Hashimoto's, hence no thyroid tissue anymore, so no need for iodine. Luv - Sheila Sheila, Bob please correct me if Im wrong - but my understanding from the little Ive read so far is that Iodine is required for the thyroid to create thyroid hormones. Shortage of iodine can therefore lead to shortage of thyroid hormones. Some of the info i have read (Iodine Project is useful) indicates that many people are short of iodine esp if they dont eat seafood or get their iodine from iodized salt. I think what Bob means is that you need at least a partially functioning thyroid to be able to use the iodine - presumably if your thyroid isnt producing thyroid hormones at all the body wont be able to use the iodine. And if there's a functioning thyroid and we are taking T3/T4 and the body starts to make more as a result of the available iodine, this could lead to overdose of thyroid hormones = hyperT effect. Gill If we don't have 'the kit' does that mean we can use extra iodine? Luv - Sheila Hi Gill,Be careful when using iodine that you don't inadvertently overdose yourself and start making thyroid hormone (if you still have the 'kit').....If you start low and increase very slowly, look out for any signs and symptoms, as you might if incrementing up with Armour.Try and balance the two, if you are using Armour.Don't increase both at the same time, for instance.best wishesBob>> cheers Bob, think Im going to give iodine a try after reading various articles about it, esp as I dont eat much seafood and also reduced salt intake due to high BP. > > Has anyone tried taking Iodine?> Gill> > > Hi Gill> > Yes it is still available, in small bottles (25ml), due to abuses....> you may have to ask for it too....and they may also restrict rapid > repeat sales...> > best wishes> Bob> > > the info you sent out Sheila re Iodine was very interesting and Im > going to look into this more.> > > > does anyone know if bog standard iodine is still available over the > > >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------> > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: 21/12/07 13:17> No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.4/1310 - Release Date: 04/03/2008 08:35 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: 21/12/07 13:17 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.4/1310 - Release Date: 04/03/2008 08:35 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: 21/12/07 13:17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 Perhaps between the two of you, you could write a little essay for the files by way of explanation regarding iodine and they thyroid (and other tissues) as this is a subject that crops up a lot and we never quite nail it. luv - Sheila But also as Bob has said, the body needs iodine for all sorts of tissues, not just the thyroid. I think when Ive done more looking into this and Bob has done some reading around it, we may be able to be clearer on this! As I understand it now iodine wont be beneficial to the thyroid unless its functioning - as you say (you devil's advocate you!!). Gill Hi Gill This is me actining devil's advocate, rather than thyroid patient advocate LOL!. There is so much confusion with members being told they need iodine or they don't need iodine, or they must NOT use iodine, I needed Bob or somebody to come with the explanation that members would understand, as you have so nicely just done. I have antibodies to my thyroid, hense Hashimoto's, hence no thyroid tissue anymore, so no need for iodine. Luv - Sheila Sheila, Bob please correct me if Im wrong - but my understanding from the little Ive read so far is that Iodine is required for the thyroid to create thyroid hormones. Shortage of iodine can therefore lead to shortage of thyroid hormones. Some of the info i have read (Iodine Project is useful) indicates that many people are short of iodine esp if they dont eat seafood or get their iodine from iodized salt. I think what Bob means is that you need at least a partially functioning thyroid to be able to use the iodine - presumably if your thyroid isnt producing thyroid hormones at all the body wont be able to use the iodine. And if there's a functioning thyroid and we are taking T3/T4 and the body starts to make more as a result of the available iodine, this could lead to overdose of thyroid hormones = hyperT effect. Gill If we don't have 'the kit' does that mean we can use extra iodine? Luv - Sheila Hi Gill,Be careful when using iodine that you don't inadvertently overdose yourself and start making thyroid hormone (if you still have the 'kit').....If you start low and increase very slowly, look out for any signs and symptoms, as you might if incrementing up with Armour.Try and balance the two, if you are using Armour.Don't increase both at the same time, for instance.best wishesBob>> cheers Bob, think Im going to give iodine a try after reading various articles about it, esp as I dont eat much seafood and also reduced salt intake due to high BP. > > Has anyone tried taking Iodine?> Gill> > > Hi Gill> > Yes it is still available, in small bottles (25ml), due to abuses....> you may have to ask for it too....and they may also restrict rapid > repeat sales...> > best wishes> Bob> > > the info you sent out Sheila re Iodine was very interesting and Im > going to look into this more.> > > > does anyone know if bog standard iodine is still available over the > > >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------> > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: 21/12/07 13:17> No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.4/1310 - Release Date: 04/03/2008 08:35 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: 21/12/07 13:17 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.4/1310 - Release Date: 04/03/2008 08:35 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: 21/12/07 13:17 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.4/1310 - Release Date: 04/03/2008 08:35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 Hi nne you little stranger! Well stach is bad for IBS (mostly in carbs!) ...We tend to know most of the foods that contain starch but if you are not sure.....take a little of the food onto a teaspoon (away from your plate) and drip a drop of iodine onto it...If it turns black, it contains starch! I only stick to this when I am suffering although there is a great book by Carol Sinclair that gives great recipes etc for those that suffer IBS.. June x >> > OK, I am interested now June, how and why do you check for starch in your > food.> > Thanks > Luv nne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Interesting that the bottle of iodine tincture I managed to get yesterday (after trying 5 chemists!) says: "do not use if you are suffering from a thyroid disorder" and "Ask your doctor before use if you are to undergo tests for thyroid function as using this product may interfere with the tests". Can anyone tell me anything (? Bob) about whether the tincture I have will be less effective than the Lugols solution some of the health sites mention, this seems to be because iodine tinctures dont include potassium iodine, but the one I have does! And also whether this could be diluted in water and drank like the lugols - Im not sure about the ethanol but presume this is a preservative, not sure if its an alcohol or whether its poisonous if drank - though there is nothing to say dont take it internally! My tincture of iodine: 2.5% iodine BP w/v, 2.5% potassium iodine BP w/v, ethanol BP 89% v/v and purified water to 100%. The Lugols solution: CHEMICAL COMPONENTS CAS# % iodine 7553-56-2 5% potassium iodide 7681-11-0 10% distilled water 85% Grateful for any help and when i have time I will pull something together on this as there seems to be evidence for positive effects of iodine, though possible ill effects if people have thyroid antibodies (which I dont!). Gill_._,___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Thanks Bob, interesting and useful. Can I presume then that I can use this tincture in the way that its suggested to use lugols, bearing in mind the difference in dose? At £7.99 for the Lugos and 89 pence for 25 ml of this tincture (which is Care's iodine tincture BP) it makes sense to try this one! Ive tried the skin test - 50 p sized coating on the skin (although there is disagreement as to the effectiveness of this) but it was completely gone by morning - less than 12 hours, whereas 's (my control!) took about 20 hours to go - so if this test has any substance this may suggest Im deficient. thanks again, glad to be keeping you busy with interesting things! Gill Hi Gill, The tincture has less iodine (half) of the Lugol's solution.The alcohol is merely to enable a clear solution that will dry on application to a skin surface and without the added drying time and potential 'wetness' and messiness usually associated with a water-based iodine solution, getting all over the place.The caution to those with thyroid disease is essentially the one that I gave on avoiding a double dosing with any iodine-containing compound be it thyroxine, Armour or any other source.Seafoods rich in iodine through accumulative processes, should have the same warning, if antibody problems are real and it is supported with independent research.I find it surprising that similar warnings about mercury amalgams aren't widely publicised, since mercury is the classic cause of autoimmune problems.and again, iodine staining a silver amalgam with a red colured mercury (silver?) iodide makes it obvious that there is far more going on, orally and internally, than we have hitherto been advised...indeed, the bacterial overgrowth in dental plaque is said to be an iodine absorbing entity....so how much of the iodine in food (absorbed in plaque) is washed away when brushing one's teeth and replacing it with fluoride??there are some interesting questions on the reading list....best wishesBob>> Interesting that the bottle of iodine tincture I managed to get yesterday (after trying 5 chemists!) says: "do not use if you are suffering from a thyroid disorder" and "Ask your doctor before use if you are to undergo tests for thyroid function as using this product may interfere with the tests".> > Can anyone tell me anything (? Bob) about whether the tincture I have will be less effective than the Lugols solution some of the health sites mention, this seems to be because iodine tinctures dont include potassium iodine, but the one I have does! And also whether this could be diluted in water and drank like the lugols - Im not sure about the ethanol but presume this is a preservative, not sure if its an alcohol or whether its poisonous if drank - though there is nothing to say dont take it internally!> > My tincture of iodine: 2.5% iodine BP w/v, 2.5% potassium iodine BP w/v, ethanol BP 89% v/v and purified water to 100%.> > The Lugols solution:> CHEMICAL COMPONENTS > CAS# % iodine 7553-56-2 > 5% potassium iodide 7681-11-0 10% > distilled water 85%> > Grateful for any help and when i have time I will pull something together on this as there seems to be evidence for positive effects of iodine, though possible ill effects if people have thyroid antibodies (which I dont!).> Gill_._,___> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: 21/12/07 13:17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Hi Gill, Bear in mind the differences between male and female fat distribution, estrogen vs testosterone levels etc...and I'm still due to look up that work on lipoma and iodine. best wishes Bob > > > > Interesting that the bottle of iodine tincture I managed to get > yesterday (after trying 5 chemists!) says: " do not use if you are > suffering from a thyroid disorder " and " Ask your doctor before use if > you are to undergo tests for thyroid function as using this product > may interfere with the tests " . > > > > Can anyone tell me anything (? Bob) about whether the tincture I > have will be less effective than the Lugols solution some of the > health sites mention, this seems to be because iodine tinctures dont > include potassium iodine, but the one I have does! And also whether > this could be diluted in water and drank like the lugols - Im not > sure about the ethanol but presume this is a preservative, not sure > if its an alcohol or whether its poisonous if drank - though there is > nothing to say dont take it internally! > > > > My tincture of iodine: 2.5% iodine BP w/v, 2.5% potassium iodine BP > w/v, ethanol BP 89% v/v and purified water to 100%. > > > > The Lugols solution: > > CHEMICAL COMPONENTS > > CAS# % iodine 7553-56-2 > > 5% potassium iodide 7681-11-0 10% > > distilled water 85% > > > > Grateful for any help and when i have time I will pull something > together on this as there seems to be evidence for positive effects > of iodine, though possible ill effects if people have thyroid > antibodies (which I dont!). > > Gill_._,___ > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: 21/12/07 13:17 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Cheers again Bob - will do and I wont drink any until Ive read up some more!! Gill Hi Gill, Bear in mind the differences between male and female fat distribution, estrogen vs testosterone levels etc...and I'm still due to look up that work on lipoma and iodine.best wishesBob> >> > Interesting that the bottle of iodine tincture I managed to get > yesterday (after trying 5 chemists!) says: "do not use if you are > suffering from a thyroid disorder" and "Ask your doctor before use if > you are to undergo tests for thyroid function as using this product > may interfere with the tests".> > > > Can anyone tell me anything (? Bob) about whether the tincture I > have will be less effective than the Lugols solution some of the > health sites mention, this seems to be because iodine tinctures dont > include potassium iodine, but the one I have does! And also whether > this could be diluted in water and drank like the lugols - Im not > sure about the ethanol but presume this is a preservative, not sure > if its an alcohol or whether its poisonous if drank - though there is > nothing to say dont take it internally!> > > > My tincture of iodine: 2.5% iodine BP w/v, 2.5% potassium iodine BP > w/v, ethanol BP 89% v/v and purified water to 100%.> > > > The Lugols solution:> > CHEMICAL COMPONENTS > > CAS# % iodine 7553-56-2 > > 5% potassium iodide 7681-11-0 10% > > distilled water 85%> > > > Grateful for any help and when i have time I will pull something > together on this as there seems to be evidence for positive effects > of iodine, though possible ill effects if people have thyroid > antibodies (which I dont!).> > Gill_._,___> >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------> > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: 21/12/07 13:17> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: 21/12/07 13:17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 Hi bob, You always come up with some fascinating food for thought! Subject: Re: Iodine I find it surprising that similar warnings about mercury amalgams aren't widely publicised, since mercury is the classic cause of autoimmune problems. and again, iodine staining a silver amalgam with a red colured mercury (silver?) iodide makes it obvious that there is far more going on, orally and internally, than we have hitherto been advised... indeed, the bacterial overgrowth in dental plaque is said to be an iodine absorbing entity.... so how much of the iodine in food (absorbed in plaque) is washed away when brushing one's teeth and replacing it with fluoride?? there are some interesting questions on the reading list.... best wishes Bob > > Interesting that the bottle of iodine tincture I managed to get yesterday (after trying 5 chemists!) says: " do not use if you are suffering from a thyroid disorder " and " Ask your doctor before use if you are to undergo tests for thyroid function as using this product may interfere with the tests " . > > Can anyone tell me anything (? Bob) about whether the tincture I have will be less effective than the Lugols solution some of the health sites mention, this seems to be because iodine tinctures dont include potassium iodine, but the one I have does! And also whether this could be diluted in water and drank like the lugols - Im not sure about the ethanol but presume this is a preservative, not sure if its an alcohol or whether its poisonous if drank - though there is nothing to say dont take it internally! > > My tincture of iodine: 2.5% iodine BP w/v, 2.5% potassium iodine BP w/v, ethanol BP 89% v/v and purified water to 100%. > > The Lugols solution: > CHEMICAL COMPONENTS > CAS# % iodine 7553-56-2 > 5% potassium iodide 7681-11-0 10% > distilled water 85% > > Grateful for any help and when i have time I will pull something together on this as there seems to be evidence for positive effects of iodine, though possible ill effects if people have thyroid antibodies (which I dont!). > Gill_._,___ > Messages are not a substitute for professional medical advice. Always consult with a suitably qualified practitioner before changing medication. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 Whilst reading, I came across this information today. http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/S0278-6915(00)00068-5 Studies on the carcinogenicity of potassium iodide in F344 rats K. Takegawa, K. Mitsumori , , H. Onodera, T. Shimo, K. Kitaura, K. Yasuhara, M. Hirose and M. Takahashi Abstract A chronic toxicity and carcinogenicity study, in which male and female F344/DuCrj rats were given potassium iodide (KI) in the drinking water at concentrations of 0, 10, 100 or 1000 ppm for 104 weeks, and a two-stage carcinogenicity study of application at 0 or 1000 ppm for 83 weeks following a single injection of N-bis(2- hydroxypropyl)nitrosamine (DHPN), were conducted. In the former, squamous cell carcinomas were induced in the salivary glands of the 1000 ppm group, but no tumors were observed in the thyroid. In the two-stage carcinogenicity study, thyroidal weights and the incidence of thyroid tumors derived from the follicular epithelium were significantly increased in the DHPN+KI as compared with the DHPN alone group. The results of our studies suggest that excess KI has a thyroid tumor-promoting effect, but KI per se does not induce thyroid tumors in rats. In the salivary gland, KI was suggested to have carcinogenic potential via an epigenetic mechanism, only active at a high dose. The model they use here is one where an 'intitiator' is used to start the process. Comment: be cautious if you use any iodine compounds, that you dilute them sufficiently that you don't inadvertently promote tumorigenesis. 1000ppm is 0.1% potassium iodide 2.5% potassium iodide needs to be diluted at least x250, maybe nearer to x1000 1 drop is about 0.05ml ie twenty drops per ml 1 drop in 100 ml is about 1/2000 1 drop in about 1 oz (c.25ml) is about 1/500 Bob > > > > Interesting that the bottle of iodine tincture I managed to get > yesterday (after trying 5 chemists!) says: " do not use if you are > suffering from a thyroid disorder " and " Ask your doctor before use if > you are to undergo tests for thyroid function as using this product > may interfere with the tests " . > > > > Can anyone tell me anything (? Bob) about whether the tincture I > have will be less effective than the Lugols solution some of the > health sites mention, this seems to be because iodine tinctures dont > include potassium iodine, but the one I have does! And also whether > this could be diluted in water and drank like the lugols - Im not > sure about the ethanol but presume this is a preservative, not sure > if its an alcohol or whether its poisonous if drank - though there is > nothing to say dont take it internally! > > > > My tincture of iodine: 2.5% iodine BP w/v, 2.5% potassium iodine BP > w/v, ethanol BP 89% v/v and purified water to 100%. > > > > The Lugols solution: > > CHEMICAL COMPONENTS > > CAS# % iodine 7553-56-2 > > 5% potassium iodide 7681-11-0 10% > > distilled water 85% > > > > Grateful for any help and when i have time I will pull something > together on this as there seems to be evidence for positive effects > of iodine, though possible ill effects if people have thyroid > antibodies (which I dont!). > > Gill_._,___ > > > > > > > Messages are not a substitute for professional medical advice. Always > consult with a suitably qualified practitioner before changing medication. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 I will try to remember to ask Dr Peatfield how he sees iodine and treating hypothyroidism, and what he recommends. Remind me (if you can remember) nearer the 27th march Bob....and Gillian, this might be a question you might ask him on the Saturday Get Together. Luv - Sheila Subject: Re: Iodine Whilst reading, I came across this information today.http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/S0278-6915(00)00068-5Studies on the carcinogenicity of potassium iodide in F344 rats K. Takegawa, K. Mitsumori , , H. Onodera, T. Shimo, K. Kitaura, K. Yasuhara, M. Hirose and M. TakahashiAbstractA chronic toxicity and carcinogenicity study, in which male and female F344/DuCrj rats were given potassium iodide (KI) in the drinking water at concentrations of 0, 10, 100 or 1000 ppm for 104 weeks, and a two-stage carcinogenicity study of application at 0 or 1000 ppm for 83 weeks following a single injection of N-bis(2-hydroxypropyl)nitrosamine (DHPN), were conducted. In the former, squamous cell carcinomas were induced in the salivary glands of the 1000 ppm group, but no tumors were observed in the thyroid. In the two-stage carcinogenicity study, thyroidal weights and the incidence of thyroid tumors derived from the follicular epithelium were significantly increased in the DHPN+KI as compared with the DHPN alone group. The results of our studies suggest that excess KI has a thyroid tumor-promoting effect, but KI per se does not induce thyroid tumors in rats. In the salivary gland, KI was suggested to have carcinogenic potential via an epigenetic mechanism, only active at a high dose. The model they use here is one where an 'intitiator' is used to start the process.Comment: be cautious if you use any iodine compounds, that you dilute them sufficiently that you don't inadvertently promote tumorigenesis.1000ppm is 0.1% potassium iodide2.5% potassium iodide needs to be diluted at least x250, maybe nearer to x10001 drop is about 0.05ml ie twenty drops per ml1 drop in 100 ml is about 1/20001 drop in about 1 oz (c.25ml) is about 1/500Bob > >> > Interesting that the bottle of iodine tincture I managed to get > yesterday (after trying 5 chemists!) says: "do not use if you are > suffering from a thyroid disorder" and "Ask your doctor before use if > you are to undergo tests for thyroid function as using this product > may interfere with the tests".> > > > Can anyone tell me anything (? Bob) about whether the tincture I > have will be less effective than the Lugols solution some of the > health sites mention, this seems to be because iodine tinctures dont > include potassium iodine, but the one I have does! And also whether > this could be diluted in water and drank like the lugols - Im not > sure about the ethanol but presume this is a preservative, not sure > if its an alcohol or whether its poisonous if drank - though there is > nothing to say dont take it internally!> > > > My tincture of iodine: 2.5% iodine BP w/v, 2.5% potassium iodine BP > w/v, ethanol BP 89% v/v and purified water to 100%.> > > > The Lugols solution:> > CHEMICAL COMPONENTS > > CAS# % iodine 7553-56-2 > > 5% potassium iodide 7681-11-0 10% > > distilled water 85%> > > > Grateful for any help and when i have time I will pull something > together on this as there seems to be evidence for positive effects > of iodine, though possible ill effects if people have thyroid > antibodies (which I dont!).> > Gill_._,___> >> > > > > Messages are not a substitute for professional medical advice. Always> consult with a suitably qualified practitioner before changing medication. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 Cheers Bob - that's helpful Gill Subject: Re: Iodine Whilst reading, I came across this information today.http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/S0278-6915(00)00068-5Studies on the carcinogenicity of potassium iodide in F344 rats K. Takegawa, K. Mitsumori , , H. Onodera, T. Shimo, K. Kitaura, K. Yasuhara, M. Hirose and M. TakahashiAbstractA chronic toxicity and carcinogenicity study, in which male and female F344/DuCrj rats were given potassium iodide (KI) in the drinking water at concentrations of 0, 10, 100 or 1000 ppm for 104 weeks, and a two-stage carcinogenicity study of application at 0 or 1000 ppm for 83 weeks following a single injection of N-bis(2-hydroxypropyl)nitrosamine (DHPN), were conducted. In the former, squamous cell carcinomas were induced in the salivary glands of the 1000 ppm group, but no tumors were observed in the thyroid. In the two-stage carcinogenicity study, thyroidal weights and the incidence of thyroid tumors derived from the follicular epithelium were significantly increased in the DHPN+KI as compared with the DHPN alone group. The results of our studies suggest that excess KI has a thyroid tumor-promoting effect, but KI per se does not induce thyroid tumors in rats. In the salivary gland, KI was suggested to have carcinogenic potential via an epigenetic mechanism, only active at a high dose. The model they use here is one where an 'intitiator' is used to start the process.Comment: be cautious if you use any iodine compounds, that you dilute them sufficiently that you don't inadvertently promote tumorigenesis.1000ppm is 0.1% potassium iodide2.5% potassium iodide needs to be diluted at least x250, maybe nearer to x10001 drop is about 0.05ml ie twenty drops per ml1 drop in 100 ml is about 1/20001 drop in about 1 oz (c.25ml) is about 1/500Bob > >> > Interesting that the bottle of iodine tincture I managed to get > yesterday (after trying 5 chemists!) says: "do not use if you are > suffering from a thyroid disorder" and "Ask your doctor before use if > you are to undergo tests for thyroid function as using this product > may interfere with the tests".> > > > Can anyone tell me anything (? Bob) about whether the tincture I > have will be less effective than the Lugols solution some of the > health sites mention, this seems to be because iodine tinctures dont > include potassium iodine, but the one I have does! And also whether > this could be diluted in water and drank like the lugols - Im not > sure about the ethanol but presume this is a preservative, not sure > if its an alcohol or whether its poisonous if drank - though there is > nothing to say dont take it internally!> > > > My tincture of iodine: 2.5% iodine BP w/v, 2.5% potassium iodine BP > w/v, ethanol BP 89% v/v and purified water to 100%.> > > > The Lugols solution:> > CHEMICAL COMPONENTS > > CAS# % iodine 7553-56-2 > > 5% potassium iodide 7681-11-0 10% > > distilled water 85%> > > > Grateful for any help and when i have time I will pull something > together on this as there seems to be evidence for positive effects > of iodine, though possible ill effects if people have thyroid > antibodies (which I dont!).> > Gill_._,___> >> > > > > Messages are not a substitute for professional medical advice. Always> consult with a suitably qualified practitioner before changing medication. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2008 Report Share Posted April 19, 2008 i have another question! i'm thyroidless and have had RAI to destroy the rest of the thyroid because PTU couldn't control it any longer. my last TSH was .49, Free T4 1.30 (0.7-2.0) and Free T3 2.5 (2.3-4) i was taking 150 mcgs. of Levothyroxine only. i have no idea if i may even have some thyroid re-growing. right? i haven't had any testing done for 15 years other than TSH and T4 and T3 until this past one! i've added 2.5 mcgs. of Cytomel and 25 mcgs. of Levo (it's now 175 mcgs.) because of my nasty symptoms. so, i've purchased my Lugol's 5% Solution (iodine), am planning to begin taking it BUT having read about possible adverse reactions to those who have Hashi's!!!! any responses from my thyriod group buddies?? sincerely, with LOVE, sandi b53cjf <b53cjf@...> wrote: Tom,These are the 2 tests you need to check for hashi's:antiTPO antibodiesantithyroglobulin antibodiesAnd since hashi's is the leading cause of hypothyroidism, IMO everyonewho is a suspected hypo should be tested for them, since having theantibodies means a somewhat different interpretation of results.>> So basically give a try and monitor it closely to see if it helps or > harms me. I don't know if I have hashi or not. As far as I know I > don't. My doctor has never mentioned it to me. Perhaps I should ask. > One thing I have learned from this group is that I am going to take a > more aggressive approach to my treatment from here on out.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 HI Ruby This does apply to all those who have thyroid antibodies. Read the following links to understand why. This is long, but go to the last paragraph http://www.eymj.org/abstracts/viewArticle.asp?year=2003 & page=227 and this abstract http://eje-online.org/cgi/content/abstract/139/1/23. However, I think if your thyroid (like me too) has been completely destroyed, you should be OK. Luv - Sheila Hi,l have hashi's and l read a lot about being careful to check that supplements don't have iodine in them. Does this still apply if like me the endo says my thyroid has shrivelled away?Ruby x No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1470 - Release Date: 28/05/2008 07:20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 My husband has hashi's and he started on 37.5 mgs. Then after 9 mos we increased him to 50 mgs and that is where he is. He has a follow up appt in September. IODINE > For someone with an existing mild case of Hashimoto's Thyroiditis, > with TSH of 4.5, what amount of Iodine is recommended? Seems to be > 50mg of I for first 6 mos. Then how much? All very confusing. SAvvy > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 It varies with the person. I have hashi's and if I take any iodine at all, even just painting on the skin, it my TSI antibodies go up. I don't think that is uncommon. Irene At 07:10 AM 6/7/2008, you wrote: For someone with an existing mild case of Hashimoto's Thyroiditis, with TSH of 4.5, what amount of Iodine is recommended? Seems to be 50mg of I for first 6 mos. Then how much? All very confusing. SAvvy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2008 Report Share Posted June 8, 2008 So, then, are you saying that, in your case, Iodine is not recommended? Could it not be that the immune system is simply taking the opportunity to clean up the diseased thyroid tissue with the availability of extra Iodine. I don't see it as an automatic " bad thing " . Could be wrong. Is there any scientific evidence based info on this issue? Like something from Dr. Brownstein? Savvy > > >For someone with an existing mild case of Hashimoto's Thyroiditis, > >with TSH of 4.5, what amount of Iodine is recommended? Seems to be > >50mg of I for first 6 mos. Then how much? All very confusing. SAvvy > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2008 Report Share Posted June 8, 2008 Graves disease is a bad thing. Don't want to go there. Irene At 09:44 AM 6/8/2008, you wrote: So, then, are you saying that, in your case, Iodine is not recommended? Could it not be that the immune system is simply taking the opportunity to clean up the diseased thyroid tissue with the availability of extra Iodine. I don't see it as an automatic " bad thing " . Could be wrong. Is there any scientific evidence based info on this issue? Like something from Dr. Brownstein? Savvy > > >For someone with an existing mild case of Hashimoto's Thyroiditis, > >with TSH of 4.5, what amount of Iodine is recommended? Seems to be > >50mg of I for first 6 mos. Then how much? All very confusing. SAvvy > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2008 Report Share Posted June 8, 2008 > So, then, are you saying that, in your case, Iodine is not > recommended? <SB> I believe she doesn't take it because she can't tolerate it not because it isn't recommended. Could it not be that the immune system is simply taking the opportunity to clean up the diseased thyroid tissue with the availability of extra Iodine. I don't see it as an automatic " bad thing " . Could be wrong. <SB> You do not want to increase the attack of antibodies. Is there any scientific evidence based info on this issue? <SB> There is no evidence to support that iodine and hashi's are incompatible. There are two sides of the fence. Some that say you cannot and others that say you can. My husband has hashi's and has been on 50 mgs of iodoral. His antibodies have come down. I have a friend who had hashis, then thyroid cancer and TSI antibodies and takes large (over 100 mgs) of iodoral without major debilitating issues. She can tolerate it - most are detoxing effects that she can manage. Some have tried to link intolerance to hashi's or hashi's / TSI Ab's but I don't think that is the link either. I believe there is something else because many with these issues can take it. I don't think we know enough yet. The problem is that we are all so biochemically different that to make a blanket statement of one size fits all (either side of taking it and doing well vs not and doing poorly) doesn't work. You have to try it and see how you do. I hate the fear mentality for such a critical nutrient. Like something from Dr. Brownstein? <<SB>> If you have read Dr. Brownsteins 3rd Edition of the Iodine book you know that he directly addresses the issue of autoimmune thyroid and iodine. He explains that when iodine is supplied in too low amounts to create iodolipids the peroxide burning in the cells will continue to occur thus increasing the antibody attack. But when enough iodolips are created the brakes are put ont he oxidation cycle and the attacks will subside. Now this makes me wonder if there is a level at which many need to go far above to get the benefits. I am thinking of a woman who had issues taking 12.5 mgs of iodoral and then when she took 200 mgs she did fine. Many of us have damaged or non-functioning NIS that may need high amounts of iodine to bombard the cells to get to the level needed. We live in such high toxicity that I think we will have a hard time finding the base values anymore. Finding subjects who's bodies function *normally* is difficult to develop baseline measurements. I say just keep trying and playing with dosages and combo's until you find what works. Savvy > > >> >> >For someone with an existing mild case of Hashimoto's Thyroiditis, >> >with TSH of 4.5, what amount of Iodine is recommended? Seems to be >> >50mg of I for first 6 mos. Then how much? All very confusing. SAvvy >> > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2008 Report Share Posted June 8, 2008 Just to be clear, I don't take it because I don't tolerate it. However when I was struggling to work with the 50mg dosage, it was Dr Brownstein who told me to stop taking it, that I shouldn't be experiencing what I was experiencing. I post my experiences not to cause a " fear mentality " , I just think people deserve to have all the information, good and bad, to make an informed decision. I know I am not the only one that isn't able to tolerate the higher doses of iodine. Irene At 10:12 AM 6/8/2008, you wrote: > So, then, are you saying that, in your case, Iodine is not > recommended? <SB> I believe she doesn't take it because she can't tolerate it not because it isn't recommended. Could it not be that the immune system is simply taking the opportunity to clean up the diseased thyroid tissue with the availability of extra Iodine. I don't see it as an automatic " bad thing " . Could be wrong. <SB> You do not want to increase the attack of antibodies. Is there any scientific evidence based info on this issue? <SB> There is no evidence to support that iodine and hashi's are incompatible. There are two sides of the fence. Some that say you cannot and others that say you can. My husband has hashi's and has been on 50 mgs of iodoral. His antibodies have come down. I have a friend who had hashis, then thyroid cancer and TSI antibodies and takes large (over 100 mgs) of iodoral without major debilitating issues. She can tolerate it - most are detoxing effects that she can manage. Some have tried to link intolerance to hashi's or hashi's / TSI Ab's but I don't think that is the link either. I believe there is something else because many with these issues can take it. I don't think we know enough yet. The problem is that we are all so biochemically different that to make a blanket statement of one size fits all (either side of taking it and doing well vs not and doing poorly) doesn't work. You have to try it and see how you do. I hate the fear mentality for such a critical nutrient. Like something from Dr. Brownstein? <<SB>> If you have read Dr. Brownsteins 3rd Edition of the Iodine book you know that he directly addresses the issue of autoimmune thyroid and iodine. He explains that when iodine is supplied in too low amounts to create iodolipids the peroxide burning in the cells will continue to occur thus increasing the antibody attack. But when enough iodolips are created the brakes are put ont he oxidation cycle and the attacks will subside. Now this makes me wonder if there is a level at which many need to go far above to get the benefits. I am thinking of a woman who had issues taking 12.5 mgs of iodoral and then when she took 200 mgs she did fine. Many of us have damaged or non-functioning NIS that may need high amounts of iodine to bombard the cells to get to the level needed. We live in such high toxicity that I think we will have a hard time finding the base values anymore. Finding subjects who's bodies function *normally* is difficult to develop baseline measurements. I say just keep trying and playing with dosages and combo's until you find what works. Savvy > > >> >> >For someone with an existing mild case of Hashimoto's Thyroiditis, >> >with TSH of 4.5, what amount of Iodine is recommended? Seems to be >> >50mg of I for first 6 mos. Then how much? All very confusing. SAvvy >> > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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