Iodine

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I am sorry but why don't you take it then? I thought you couldn't tolerate taking higher doses?

I wasn't directing the fear comment at you - sorry you thought that implied to you. I was talking in general on the board.

Re: Re: IODINE

Just to be clear, I don't take it because I don't tolerate it. However when I was struggling to work with the 50mg dosage, it was Dr Brownstein who told me to stop taking it, that I shouldn't be experiencing what I was experiencing. I post my experiences not to cause a "fear mentality", I just think people deserve to have all the information, good and bad, to make an informed decision. I know I am not the only one that isn't able to tolerate the higher doses of iodine.IreneAt 10:12 AM 6/8/2008, you wrote:

> So, then, are you saying that, in your case, Iodine is not> recommended?<SB> I believe she doesn't take it because she can't tolerate it not because it isn't recommended.Could it not be that the immune system is simply taking the opportunity to clean up the diseased thyroid tissue with the availability of extra Iodine. I don't see it as an automatic "badthing". Could be wrong.<SB> You do not want to increase the attack of antibodies.Is there any scientific evidence based info on this issue?<SB> There is no evidence to support that iodine and hashi's are incompatible. There are two sides of the fence. Some that say you cannot and others that say you can. My husband has hashi's and has been on 50 mgs of iodoral. His antibodies have come down. I have a friend who had hashis, then thyroid cancer and TSI antibodies and takes large (over 100 mgs) of iodoral without major debilitating issues. She can tolerate it - most are detoxing effects that she can manage. Some have tried to link intolerance to hashi's or hashi's / TSI Ab's but I don't think that is the link either. I believe there is something else because many with these issues can take it. I don't think we know enough yet. The problem is that we are all so biochemically different that to make a blanket statement of one size fits all (either side of taking it and doing well vs not and doing poorly) doesn't work. You have to try it and see how you do. I hate the fear mentality for such a critical nutrient.Like something from Dr. Brownstein?<<SB>> If you have read Dr. Brownsteins 3rd Edition of the Iodine book you know that he directly addresses the issue of autoimmune thyroid and iodine. He explains that when iodine is supplied in too low amounts to create iodolipids the peroxide burning in the cells will continue to occur thus increasing the antibody attack. But when enough iodolips are created the brakes are put ont he oxidation cycle and the attacks will subside. Now this makes me wonder if there is a level at which many need to go far above to get the benefits. I am thinking of a woman who had issues taking 12.5 mgs of iodoral and then when she took 200 mgs she did fine. Many of us have damaged or non-functioning NIS that may need high amounts of iodine to bombard the cells to get to the level needed.We live in such high toxicity that I think we will have a hard time finding the base values anymore. Finding subjects who's bodies function *normally* is difficult to develop baseline measurements. I say just keep trying and playing with dosages and combo's until you find what works.Savvy>> >>>> >For someone with an existing mild case of Hashimoto's Thyroiditis,>> >with TSH of 4.5, what amount of Iodine is recommended? Seems to be>> >50mg of I for first 6 mos. Then how much? All very confusing. SAvvy>> >>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------>>>>>

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Here you said you don't tolerate Iodine well iodine/message/23662 and here iodine/message/23481 and here iodine/message/21945 .

There are more of them. I thought maybe I was confused??? What am I missing?

Re: Re: IODINE

Just to be clear, I don't take it because I don't tolerate it. However when I was struggling to work with the 50mg dosage, it was Dr Brownstein who told me to stop taking it, that I shouldn't be experiencing what I was experiencing. I post my experiences not to cause a "fear mentality", I just think people deserve to have all the information, good and bad, to make an informed decision. I know I am not the only one that isn't able to tolerate the higher doses of iodine.IreneAt 10:12 AM 6/8/2008, you wrote:

> So, then, are you saying that, in your case, Iodine is not> recommended?<SB> I believe she doesn't take it because she can't tolerate it not because it isn't recommended.Could it not be that the immune system is simply taking the opportunity to clean up the diseased thyroid tissue with the availability of extra Iodine. I don't see it as an automatic "badthing". Could be wrong.<SB> You do not want to increase the attack of antibodies.Is there any scientific evidence based info on this issue?<SB> There is no evidence to support that iodine and hashi's are incompatible. There are two sides of the fence. Some that say you cannot and others that say you can. My husband has hashi's and has been on 50 mgs of iodoral. His antibodies have come down. I have a friend who had hashis, then thyroid cancer and TSI antibodies and takes large (over 100 mgs) of iodoral without major debilitating issues. She can tolerate it - most are detoxing effects that she can manage. Some have tried to link intolerance to hashi's or hashi's / TSI Ab's but I don't think that is the link either. I believe there is something else because many with these issues can take it. I don't think we know enough yet. The problem is that we are all so biochemically different that to make a blanket statement of one size fits all (either side of taking it and doing well vs not and doing poorly) doesn't work. You have to try it and see how you do. I hate the fear mentality for such a critical nutrient.Like something from Dr. Brownstein?<<SB>> If you have read Dr. Brownsteins 3rd Edition of the Iodine book you know that he directly addresses the issue of autoimmune thyroid and iodine. He explains that when iodine is supplied in too low amounts to create iodolipids the peroxide burning in the cells will continue to occur thus increasing the antibody attack. But when enough iodolips are created the brakes are put ont he oxidation cycle and the attacks will subside. Now this makes me wonder if there is a level at which many need to go far above to get the benefits. I am thinking of a woman who had issues taking 12.5 mgs of iodoral and then when she took 200 mgs she did fine. Many of us have damaged or non-functioning NIS that may need high amounts of iodine to bombard the cells to get to the level needed.We live in such high toxicity that I think we will have a hard time finding the base values anymore. Finding subjects who's bodies function *normally* is difficult to develop baseline measurements. I say just keep trying and playing with dosages and combo's until you find what works.Savvy>> >>>> >For someone with an existing mild case of Hashimoto's Thyroiditis,>> >with TSH of 4.5, what amount of Iodine is recommended? Seems to be>> >50mg of I for first 6 mos. Then how much? All very confusing. SAvvy>> >>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------>>>>>

[Guest guest]

No, you were correct. I don't take it because I don't tolerate it. I just

wanted to add that it was Dr. Brownstein who originally said to stop

taking it. I think his exact words were " You shouldn't be that

sick " . I think sometimes those of us who can't take the stuff

for whatever reason, our judgement is " suspect " in light of how

many people do well on it.

Irene

At 10:28 AM 6/8/2008, you wrote:

I

am sorry but why don't you take it then? I thought you couldn't

tolerate taking higher doses?

I wasn't directing the

fear comment at you - sorry you thought that implied to you. I was

talking in general on the board.

Re: Re: IODINE

Just to be clear, I don't take it because I don't tolerate it. However when I was struggling to work with the 50mg dosage, it was Dr Brownstein who told me to stop taking it, that I shouldn't be experiencing what I was experiencing.

I post my experiences not to cause a " fear mentality " , I just think people deserve to have all the information, good and bad, to make an informed decision. I know I am not the only one that isn't able to tolerate the higher doses of iodine.

Irene

At 10:12 AM 6/8/2008, you wrote:

> So, then, are you saying that, in your case, Iodine is not

> recommended?

<SB> I believe she doesn't take it because she can't tolerate it not

because it isn't recommended.

Could it not be that the immune system is simply taking the opportunity to

clean up the diseased thyroid tissue with the availability of extra Iodine.

I don't see it as an automatic " bad

thing " . Could be wrong.

<SB> You do not want to increase the attack of antibodies.

Is there any scientific evidence based info on this issue?

<SB> There is no evidence to support that iodine and hashi's are

incompatible. There are two sides of the fence. Some that say you cannot

and others that say you can. My husband has hashi's and has been on 50 mgs

of iodoral. His antibodies have come down. I have a friend who had hashis,

then thyroid cancer and TSI antibodies and takes large (over 100 mgs) of

iodoral without major debilitating issues. She can tolerate it - most are

detoxing effects that she can manage. Some have tried to link intolerance

to hashi's or hashi's / TSI Ab's but I don't think that is the link either.

I believe there is something else because many with these issues can take

it. I don't think we know enough yet. The problem is that we are all so

biochemically different that to make a blanket statement of one size fits

all (either side of taking it and doing well vs not and doing poorly)

doesn't work. You have to try it and see how you do. I hate the fear

mentality for such a critical nutrient.

Like something from Dr. Brownstein?

<<SB>> If you have read Dr. Brownsteins 3rd Edition of the Iodine book you

know that he directly addresses the issue of autoimmune thyroid and iodine.

He explains that when iodine is supplied in too low amounts to create

iodolipids the peroxide burning in the cells will continue to occur thus

increasing the antibody attack. But when enough iodolips are created the

brakes are put ont he oxidation cycle and the attacks will subside. Now

this makes me wonder if there is a level at which many need to go far above

to get the benefits. I am thinking of a woman who had issues taking 12.5

mgs of iodoral and then when she took 200 mgs she did fine. Many of us have

damaged or non-functioning NIS that may need high amounts of iodine to

bombard the cells to get to the level needed.

We live in such high toxicity that I think we will have a hard time finding

the base values anymore. Finding subjects who's bodies function *normally*

is difficult to develop baseline measurements. I say just keep trying and

playing with dosages and combo's until you find what works.

Savvy

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>> >with TSH of 4.5, what amount of Iodine is recommended? Seems to be

>> >50mg of I for first 6 mos. Then how much? All very confusing. SAvvy

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Ok, not sure I see the difference. I know that Dr. B does say to stop taking it to some. He really does let you take control. If you want to try to fight through it he will help but if you want to stop taking something he recommends he lets you do this too.

This group is a pro- iodine supplementation group. Are you hoping to find out something here that will help you take iodine again? Just curious.

Steph

Re: Re: IODINE

Just to be clear, I don't take it because I don't tolerate it. However when I was struggling to work with the 50mg dosage, it was Dr Brownstein who told me to stop taking it, that I shouldn't be experiencing what I was experiencing.

I post my experiences not to cause a "fear mentality", I just think people deserve to have all the information, good and bad, to make an informed decision. I know I am not the only one that isn't able to tolerate the higher doses of iodine.

Irene

At 10:12 AM 6/8/2008, you wrote:

> So, then, are you saying that, in your case, Iodine is not

> recommended?

<SB> I believe she doesn't take it because she can't tolerate it not

because it isn't recommended.

Could it not be that the immune system is simply taking the opportunity to

clean up the diseased thyroid tissue with the availability of extra Iodine.

I don't see it as an automatic "bad

thing". Could be wrong.

<SB> You do not want to increase the attack of antibodies.

Is there any scientific evidence based info on this issue?

<SB> There is no evidence to support that iodine and hashi's are

incompatible. There are two sides of the fence. Some that say you cannot

and others that say you can. My husband has hashi's and has been on 50 mgs

of iodoral. His antibodies have come down. I have a friend who had hashis,

then thyroid cancer and TSI antibodies and takes large (over 100 mgs) of

iodoral without major debilitating issues. She can tolerate it - most are

detoxing effects that she can manage. Some have tried to link intolerance

to hashi's or hashi's / TSI Ab's but I don't think that is the link either.

I believe there is something else because many with these issues can take

it. I don't think we know enough yet. The problem is that we are all so

biochemically different that to make a blanket statement of one size fits

all (either side of taking it and doing well vs not and doing poorly)

doesn't work. You have to try it and see how you do. I hate the fear

mentality for such a critical nutrient.

Like something from Dr. Brownstein?

<<SB>> If you have read Dr. Brownsteins 3rd Edition of the Iodine book you

know that he directly addresses the issue of autoimmune thyroid and iodine.

He explains that when iodine is supplied in too low amounts to create

iodolipids the peroxide burning in the cells will continue to occur thus

increasing the antibody attack. But when enough iodolips are created the

brakes are put ont he oxidation cycle and the attacks will subside. Now

this makes me wonder if there is a level at which many need to go far above

to get the benefits. I am thinking of a woman who had issues taking 12.5

mgs of iodoral and then when she took 200 mgs she did fine. Many of us have

damaged or non-functioning NIS that may need high amounts of iodine to

bombard the cells to get to the level needed.

We live in such high toxicity that I think we will have a hard time finding

the base values anymore. Finding subjects who's bodies function *normally*

is difficult to develop baseline measurements. I say just keep trying and

playing with dosages and combo's until you find what works.

Savvy

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>> >with TSH of 4.5, what amount of Iodine is recommended? Seems to be

>> >50mg of I for first 6 mos. Then how much? All very confusing. SAvvy

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Yes, he told me to keep trying with the lower doses. That is what I am

doing. It was his recommendation that I stop. I was trying to work with

it. I see now though that it was a good call.

This is the first I have heard that this is a pro-iodine supplementation

group. That would certainly explain a lot. I thought it was the iodine

group and it was open to all discussion on iodine, including it's effect

on hashimotos. If I am wrong about that, then I will certainly stop

posting anything that is not a positive report on iodine. I am here

because from time to time someone posts something really useful.

Irene

At 10:45 AM 6/8/2008, you wrote:

Ok,

not sure I see the difference. I know that Dr. B does say to

stop taking it to some. He really does let you take control.

If you want to try to fight through it he will help but if you want to

stop taking something he recommends he lets you do this too.

This group is a pro-

iodine supplementation group. Are you hoping to find out something

here that will help you take iodine again? Just curious.

Steph

Re: Re: IODINE

Just to be clear, I don't take it because I don't tolerate it. However when I was struggling to work with the 50mg dosage, it was Dr Brownstein who told me to stop taking it, that I shouldn't be experiencing what I was experiencing. I post my experiences not to cause a " fear mentality " , I just think people deserve to have all the information, good and bad, to make an informed decision. I know I am not the only one that isn't able to tolerate the higher doses of iodine.

Irene

At 10:12 AM 6/8/2008, you wrote:

> So, then, are you saying that, in your case, Iodine is not

> recommended?

<SB> I believe she doesn't take it because she can't tolerate it not because it isn't recommended.

Could it not be that the immune system is simply taking the opportunity to clean up the diseased thyroid tissue with the availability of extra Iodine. I don't see it as an automatic " bad

thing " . Could be wrong.

<SB> You do not want to increase the attack of antibodies.

Is there any scientific evidence based info on this issue?

<SB> There is no evidence to support that iodine and hashi's are incompatible. There are two sides of the fence. Some that say you cannot and others that say you can. My husband has hashi's and has been on 50 mgs of iodoral. His antibodies have come down. I have a friend who had hashis, then thyroid cancer and TSI antibodies and takes large (over 100 mgs) of iodoral without major debilitating issues. She can tolerate it - most are detoxing effects that she can manage. Some have tried to link intolerance to hashi's or hashi's / TSI Ab's but I don't think that is the link either. I believe there is something else because many with these issues can take it. I don't think we know enough yet. The problem is that we are all so biochemically different that to make a blanket statement of one size fits all (either side of taking it and doing well vs not and doing poorly) doesn't work. You have to try it and see how you do. I hate the fear mentality for such a critical nutrient.

Like something from Dr. Brownstein?

<<SB>> If you have read Dr. Brownsteins 3rd Edition of the Iodine book you know that he directly addresses the issue of autoimmune thyroid and iodine. He explains that when iodine is supplied in too low amounts to create iodolipids the peroxide burning in the cells will continue to occur thus increasing the antibody attack. But when enough iodolips are created the brakes are put ont he oxidation cycle and the attacks will subside. Now this makes me wonder if there is a level at which many need to go far above to get the benefits. I am thinking of a woman who had issues taking 12.5 mgs of iodoral and then when she took 200 mgs she did fine. Many of us have damaged or non-functioning NIS that may need high amounts of iodine to bombard the cells to get to the level needed.

We live in such high toxicity that I think we will have a hard time finding the base values anymore. Finding subjects who's bodies function *normally* is difficult to develop baseline measurements. I say just keep trying and playing with dosages and combo's until you find what works.

Savvy

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>> >with TSH of 4.5, what amount of Iodine is recommended? Seems to be

>> >50mg of I for first 6 mos. Then how much? All very confusing. SAvvy

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[Guest guest]

I hope you will continue to stay here Irene--I always appreciate your reasonableness.

FWIW I have had better success with higher doses rather than lower ones (Armour and Iodoral), but I also take cortef for adrenals and sex hormones.

Gracia

Yes, he told me to keep trying with the lower doses. That is what I am doing. It was his recommendation that I stop. I was trying to work with it. I see now though that it was a good call.This is the first I have heard that this is a pro-iodine supplementation group. That would certainly explain a lot. I thought it was the iodine group and it was open to all discussion on iodine, including it's effect on hashimotos. If I am wrong about that, then I will certainly stop posting anything that is not a positive report on iodine. I am here because from time to time someone posts something really useful.Irene

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One thing I noticed about iodine is that it triggers detox. Detox symptoms are not pleasant. I don't think you can realistically expect to detox and feel great. The poisons are there - the halides that block iodine function, which is necessary - and to get them out is not going to feel good initially. You have to get through that period in order to see the benefits of supplementing with iodine. Sometimes we get worse before we get better.

F.

http://catherineshypohelljourney.blogspot.com/

cccquilter@...

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

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I wonder if Chlorella would do this. I started about 1.5 months ago

taking chlorella 3 tabs 3x a day. I switched to chlorine-

free/fluroide free water filter, I switched Splenda to stevia,

coconut oil 3 tbs a day for Candida...

and I've been out of whack for a month and a half, emotionally,

anxiety-wise, etc.

I got a deep massage and it kept me wired the entire night!

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Absolutely! Great point . I always know that each time I push my iodine up and feel crappy (like I do now) that I am working my way toward better health. Anyone who has seen my before and current pictures can tell that I am definitely making good progress. It is a journey - no quick fixes.

Steph

Re: Iodine

One thing I noticed about iodine is that it triggers detox. Detox symptoms are not pleasant. I don't think you can realistically expect to detox and feel great. The poisons are there - the halides that block iodine function, which is necessary - and to get them out is not going to feel good initially. You have to get through that period in order to see the benefits of supplementing with iodine. Sometimes we get worse before we get better.

F.

http://catherineshypohelljourney.blogspot.com/

cccquilter@...

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

[Guest guest]

There is a difference between " crappy " and

" incapacitated " which is what happens to some people on even

low levels of iodine. Pushing the body beyond what it is able to detoxify

is not a good idea. You can do more harm than good. You might want to

revisit " My Story " posted by Joni a while back.

Why some people cannot take iodine at all I don't know but it is not wise

to dismiss it as wanting a quick fix.

Irene

At 07:37 PM 10/24/2008, you wrote:

Absolutely!

Great point . I always know that each time I push my

iodine up and feel crappy (like I do now) that I am working my way toward

better health. Anyone who has seen my before and current pictures

can tell that I am definitely making good progress. It is a journey

- no quick fixes.

Steph

Re: Iodine

One thing I noticed about iodine is that it triggers detox. Detox symptoms are not pleasant. I don't think you can realistically expect to detox and feel great. The poisons are there - the halides that block iodine function, which is necessary - and to get them out is not going to feel good initially. You have to get through that period in order to see the benefits of supplementing with iodine. Sometimes we get worse before we get better.

F.

http://catherineshypohelljourney.blogspot.com/

cccquilter@...

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

[Guest guest]

I don't think that is what we are saying at all. No one said that you needed to continue if you were incapacitated. I said "crappy" which is a far cry from not being able to function. I never push myself to the point where I am non-functioning - hence the reason I take a break and have been on and off lately every other day. I even posted that I was doing that just the other day. You have to know what is right for you and know your limits. was speaking to the people (correct me if I am wrong ) that feel a little ill and give up stating iodine is not for them. Sometimes it takes a bit of crappy to get to better.

Re: Iodine

One thing I noticed about iodine is that it triggers detox. Detox symptoms are not pleasant. I don't think you can realistically expect to detox and feel great. The poisons are there - the halides that block iodine function, which is necessary - and to get them out is not going to feel good initially. You have to get through that period in order to see the benefits of supplementing with iodine. Sometimes we get worse before we get better.

F.

http://catherineshypohelljourney.blogspot.com/

cccquilter@...

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

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There was no distinction made. There was only the discussion of detox

being " unpleasant " as though that is all that can happen. Joni

for instance nearly ended up in the emergency room at 50mg. Hardly

someone looking for a quick fix. I can't take 1mg for more than a few

days before I can't function at all. I am not alone in this. In all the

discussions of wanting a quick fix, those that become incapacitated at a

very little amount of iodine are never acknowledged. I just thought I

would point that out.

Irene

At 07:52 PM 10/24/2008, you wrote:

I

don't think that is what we are saying at all. No one said that you

needed to continue if you were incapacitated. I said

" crappy " which is a far cry from not being able to

function. I never push myself to the point where I am

non-functioning - hence the reason I take a break and have been on and

off lately every other day. I even posted that I was doing that

just the other day. You have to know what is right for you and know

your limits. was speaking to the people (correct me if I

am wrong ) that feel a little ill and give up stating iodine is

not for them. Sometimes it takes a bit of crappy to get to

better.

Re: Iodine

One thing I noticed about iodine is that it triggers detox. Detox symptoms are not pleasant. I don't think you can realistically expect to detox and feel great. The poisons are there - the halides that block iodine function, which is necessary - and to get them out is not going to feel good initially. You have to get through that period in order to see the benefits of supplementing with iodine. Sometimes we get worse before we get better.

F. http://catherineshypohelljourney.blogspot.com/

cccquilter@...

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

[Guest guest]

No one was dismissing it as a quick fix. I was trying to point out that when we take iodine it detoxes bromides and other substances from the body. This can translate into some downright unpleasant sensations, and some people think that these sensations mean they are allergic to iodine, which is most likely not the case, as a true iodine allergy is quite rare - not the same as being allergic to seafood - but their symptoms are due to detoxing and if you can stick it out you do better in the long run because you are purging the body of toxins. Detox should not incapacitate. Yes, you will feel very crappy, but there is no way around that.

F.

http://catherineshypohelljourney.blogspot.com/

cccquilter@...

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

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I understand that. I just thought it is also important to point out

that detox can also incapacitate and it isn't a good idea to push it that

far. Pushing it can be dangerous as Joni found out. With so much

talk about detox, I doubt there are many on this list that would mistake

a feeling crappy as an allergy. Since it is not possible to really know

over the internet how serious symptoms are, it is a mistake to judge the

severity in any individual case. It is important to let the individual

experiencing it to judge. Although I am sure it is not the intent,

sometimes on this list (not your email in particular) it sounds like

pushing it beyond a mild detox is being promoted like a badge of honor.

Like who can tough out the worst symptoms. Not a good idea. You don't

want to cause damage by pushing things to hard.

Irene

At 08:14 AM 10/25/2008, you wrote:

No one was dismissing it as a

quick fix. I was trying to point out that when we take iodine it detoxes

bromides and other substances from the body. This can translate into some

downright unpleasant sensations, and some people think that these

sensations mean they are allergic to iodine, which is most likely not the

case, as a true iodine allergy is quite rare - not the same as being

allergic to seafood - but their symptoms are due to detoxing and if you

can stick it out you do better in the long run because you are purging

the body of toxins. Detox should not incapacitate. Yes, you will feel

very crappy, but there is no way around that.

F.

http://catherineshypohelljourney.blogspot.com/

cccquilter@...

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

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Your liver is a key purifying organ. It takes toxins out of the blood.

When it gets overloaded it can get " plugged " up with toxins and then throws

them back out into the blood stream where it can effect a number of other

things like your brain. Dr. Brownstein uses this doctor's book to treat RT3

issues in his patients. They follow her diet http://www.liverdoctor.com/

Re: Re: Iodine

>I don't mean to jump in and hijack a thread, but here goes.

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> high RT3? I did have elevated liver enzymes two months ago or so, but

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> the stuff. C, ATP Cofactors, B12, the only thing I can't tolerate is

> zinc. It gives me terrible heartburn/high epigastric discomfort.

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>> when you need it, strive for improvement, listen to your body, support

>> what is week and give your body the supporting nutrients you need to

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Some people don't tolerate stevia or chlorella. You might consider

stopping one of those and see if that helps.

Irene

At 06:03 PM 10/24/2008, you wrote:

I wonder if Chlorella would do

this. I started about 1.5 months ago

taking chlorella 3 tabs 3x a day. I switched to chlorine-

free/fluroide free water filter, I switched Splenda to stevia,

coconut oil 3 tbs a day for Candida...

and I've been out of whack for a month and a half, emotionally,

anxiety-wise, etc.

I got a deep massage and it kept me wired the entire night!

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symptoms are not pleasant. I don't think you can realistically expect

to detox and feel great. The poisons are there - the halides that

block iodine function, which is necessary - and to get them out is

not going to feel good initially. You have to get through that period

in order to see the benefits of supplementing with iodine. Sometimes

we get worse before we get better.

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And the coconut oil can cause candida die off. That can also make you

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At 03:56 PM 10/26/2008, you wrote:

Some people don't tolerate

stevia or chlorella. You might consider stopping one of those and see if

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Irene

At 06:03 PM 10/24/2008, you wrote:

I wonder if Chlorella would do

this. I started about 1.5 months ago

taking chlorella 3 tabs 3x a day. I switched to chlorine-

free/fluroide free water filter, I switched Splenda to stevia,

coconut oil 3 tbs a day for Candida...

and I've been out of whack for a month and a half, emotionally,

anxiety-wise, etc.

I got a deep massage and it kept me wired the entire night!

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symptoms are not pleasant. I don't think you can realistically expect

to detox and feel great. The poisons are there - the halides that

block iodine function, which is necessary - and to get them out is

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Pigs are quite smart, but are also ignorant about giving health advice

to humans.

Alobar

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Alobar

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Because pigs (and other innocent animals) always take the bad rap for

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Every animal, whether human or otherwise are ignorant of things known

to other animals in other species. Beavers know how to build dams.

Neither pigs nor cougers can build a beaver dam.

For instance, I am ignorant of how to care for a baby. However,

humans can and do learn when presented with questions they cannot

reasonably answer.

I knews almost nothing about diabetes until I was diagnosed with

diabetes. Initially I relied upon my doctor and the hospital

dietician, but the more I read, the less I trusted their advice. In

less than a year, I knew far more about diabetic diet, diabetic drug

side-effects, doianbetic complications arising from diabetic meds,

than my doctor. I then learned about herbal diabetic supplements,

which my doc was absolutely totally ignorant of. And she had no

interest in me giving her links to scientif studies. She liked being

ignorant!

The problem comes when humans we turn to as " experts " (like the people

who are told by their docs that an Iodine patch test will give valid

results as to their need for iodine. In another instance, I knew a

heart patient (now dead) who was told by his cardiologist that smoking

would not harm him.

The medical profession is filled with people ignorant of non-drug and

non-surgical healing methods. Not all of them, by any means. But the

great bulk of medical people (be they doctors, dieticians, or other

fields) tend to be grossly ever-specialized.

" Pig ignorant " is a common phrase where I grew up. Since this list

does not like when people use cuss words (which is how I usually

delineate my strong feelings), I chose to use an aphorism I learned

from my older relatives, which were pernissible in situations when

stronger language was not socially appropriate.

Alobar

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Well worth doing a serch for old therapies which used iodine. Who

brought the curtains down on iodine therapy? The answer is plain to

see in the records.

Since I started taking magnasscent (www.magnascent.com) a couple of

months ago my energy levels have risen very nicely. Apparently we

still need good old Lugol's, too.

Rowena

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I just started a few weeks ago and I had the same problem for about 4 days and

it still comes and goes. I'm wondering if it has anything to do with all of the

extra vitamin c we take additionally?

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