Iodine

[Guest guest]

Vit C and Magnesium will do that. Depending on how your body detoxes it could be detox. I get constipated. Some get loose stools.

Steph

Re: iodine

I just started a few weeks ago and I had the same problem for about 4 days and it still comes and goes. I'm wondering if it has anything to do with all of the extra vitamin c we take additionally? >> Hello,> > New to this list. I have started on the lugols 2 percent 50 mgs.I was> wondering if a symptom of taking this product is soft stool?> > gg>

[Guest guest]

yes to both, it affects your metabolism, therefore more trash being made and your body is getting rid of it. linda rn

Re: iodine

I just started a few weeks ago and I had the same problem for about 4 days and it still comes and goes. I'm wondering if it has anything to do with all of the extra vitamin c we take additionally? >> Hello,> > New to this list. I have started on the lugols 2 percent 50 mgs.I was> wondering if a symptom of taking this product is soft stool?> > gg>

[Guest guest]

Janet, I have a haemangioma, which is the same thing but on my liver.

Lilian

There is a sort of red patch of skin on my leg that looks like something called a cherry angioma which is a network of very fine blood vessels near to the surface.

[Guest guest]

Janet,

You wrote:

>

> .... Most people are

> deficient in iodine, and a test to do is to put a small patch of iodine

> on your skin, about the size of a dollar, whatever size that is! If the

> iodine stain is gone before 24 hours then you may be deficient....

Sorry, but this " test " has been known to be quite fraudulent for about

75 years. There was paper published about it in the 1930s. It's on the

web. Your skin will hardly absorb any iodine, whether you are deficient

or not. What this test really measures is how rapidly iodine evaporates.

Although iodine deficiency is relatively common world wide, in fact the

leading cause of mental retardation, it is not common in developed

countries that iodize table salt. In fact, there many papers expressing

concern about over dosing the population in countries with iodine

supplementation.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Bake your own bread and add a few drops of iodine to the dough. (Iodine is said

to be a conditioner of dough, as is bromine.)

Hans

>

> I have been looking in to the subject of iodine and thought you might like to

know about something called bromine, which is used in bread. Bromine can block

the iodine receptors ...

[Guest guest]

Hi Chuck - can you give us information about the correct

test to check for deficiency in iodine - a test that is not fraudulent. Some of

us DO need iodine . Our thyroid cannot function without iodine. We do ask that

members post links so we can go and check the information for ourselves.

Shomon's web site shows the following: http://thyroid.about.com/od/newscontroversies/a/toomuchiodine.htm

The New England Journal of

Medicine published new research from China that looks at the relationship

between iodine intake and thyroid disease. Reporting in the June 29, 2006

issue, the researchers concluded that " more than adequate or excessive

iodine intake may lead to hypothyroidism and autoimmune thyroiditis. "

These findings, along with an

accompanying editorial by Dr. Utiger, which says that " the small

risks of chronic iodine excess are outweighed by the substantial hazards of

iodine deficiency, " add to the growing controversy over iodine, in

particular, the iodization of salt, and iodine supplementation.

Iodine

Deficiency

On one side of the

controversy is the serious issue of iodine deficiency. Iodine is obtained

through food, water, iodized salt, and supplementation. The thyroid uses iodine

to produce thyroid hormone, making iodine an essential, necessary nutrient.

Iodine is particularly

critical for pregnant women and fetuses, as well as young children. According

to the World Health Organization (WHO), an estimated 2 billion people,

including 285 million school-age children, are iodine deficient. And among

them, iodine deficiency disorders (IDD) affect some 740 million -- with almost

50 million of them suffer from some form of brain damage resulting from the

iodine deficiency.

According to the

International Council for the Control of Iodine Deficiency Disorders (INCCIDD):

Iodine deficiency is the

single most common cause of preventable mental retardation and brain damage in

the world. It also decreases child survival, causes goiters, and impairs growth

and development. Iodine deficiency disorders in pregnant women causes miscarriages,

stillbirths, and other complications. Children with IDD can grow up stunted,

apathetic, mentally retarded, and incapable of normal movements, speech, or

hearing.

There are many areas of the

world where iodine deficiency is a severe health crisis. The INCCIDD has a map online

that shows iodine nutrition worldwide. This map reveals that while most areas

of the Western Hemisphere tend to be sufficient in iodine, Europe, Russia,

Asia, Australia and Africa, have areas at varying risk of deficiency.

Iodine Excess

On the other side of the

controversy is the recognition that excessive iodine can trigger autoimmune

thyroid disease and hypothyroidism.

According to animal studies,

high iodine intake can initiate and worsen infiltration of the thyroid by

lymphocytes. Lymphocytes are white blood cells that accumulate due to chronic

injury or irritation. In addition, large amounts of iodine block the thyroid's

ability to make hormone.

In this New England

Journal study, researchers, led by Dr. Weiping Teng, of China Medical

University in Shenyang, looked at the thyroid effects of giving supplemental to

three separate groups: people who were mildly iodine-deficient, those with

adequate iodine intake, and those with excessive iodine intake. They found that

giving iodine to people who had adequate or excessive iodine intake could lead

to hypothyroidism autoimmune thyroiditis.

In the study, researchers

found that the primary risk factors for continuing subclinical hypothyroidism

included:

TSH above 6  -High levels of antithyroid antibody (thyroid

peroxidase antibody or thyroglobulin antibody)

·

A shift in iodine intake from mildly deficient to more than

adequate

They also found that the key

risk factors for new subclinical hypothyroidism in people who started with

normal thyroid function included:

·

TSH level greater than 2

·

High antithyroid antibody levels

·

A shift in iodine intake from mildly deficient to more than

adequate, or excessive iodine intake

·

·

The researchers concluded:

·

·

....although iodine supplementation should be implemented to

prevent and treat iodine-deficiency disorders, supplementation should be

maintained at a safe level. Levels that are more than adequate (median urinary

iodine excretion, 200 to 299 µg per liter) or excessive (median urinary iodine

excretion, >300 µg per liter) do not appear to be safe, especially for

susceptible populations with either potential autoimmune thyroid diseases or

iodine deficiency. Supplementation programs should be tailored to the

particular region. No iodine supplementation should be provided for regions in

which iodine intake is sufficient, whereas salt in regions in which iodine

intake is deficient should be supplemented with iodine according to the degree

of iodine deficiency.

An Important Note: The

researchers were defining overt hypothyroidism as a TSH above 4.8, with

elevated Free T4 levels. Subclinical hypothyroidism was defined as a TSH above

4.8, with normal range Free T4 levels. The American Association of Clinical

Endocrinologists, along with the National Academy of Clinical Biochemistry,

recommended in late 2002/early 2003 that the TSH normal range be narrowed

substantially to .3 to 3.0. So the point at which someone would be considered

overtly hypothyroid might be different, based on these new

guidelines.

Do You Need Iodine?

Many decades ago, iodization

of salt was voluntarily instituted in the U.S. and other industrialized

countries as a means to counteract iodine deficiency. In these areas with

iodized salt, iodine deficiency disorders were all but eliminated, and most

Americans do have sufficient iodine.

During the past two

decades, however, reductions in salt intake for health reasons, reduced use of

iodized salt in processed foods, and the fact that iodization is not mandatory

in the U.S. (even then, some 70% of table salt is iodized) have resulted in a

cutback in iodine intake even in countries like the U.S. So after a period

where iodine deficiency in the U.S. had been all but eliminated, it is now on a

slow by steady upward rise.

The greatest concern is

in pregnancy women. In fact, the rate of pregnant women with iodine deficiency

has increased in the U.S. over the past 20 years Utiger, from just 1 percent in

the 1970s to 7 percent in 2002. These women and their babies face the greatest

risks from insufficient iodine in their diet.

Some experts recommend

that iodine supplementation be standard during pre-conception and pregnancy.

The recommended dietary allowance for iodine is 200 mg/day during pregnancy and

75 mg/day while breastfeeding.

For the rest of us, the

answer for optimum thyroid health is, therefore, to get enough -- but not too

much -- iodine. You might be deficient in iodine if you have, for health

reasons, cut iodized salt out of your diet, or switched to non-iodized sea

salt.

So, do you need supplemental

iodine? How can you tell for sure if you are getting enough iodine? It's almost

impossible to gauge on your own. You can do an very rough estimate, however,

based on the following questions:

·

Do you use iodized salt?

·

How much salt do you eat daily?

·

Do you take a vitamin or supplement with iodine? (How much

iodine is in the supplement?)

·

Do you eat, meat, dairy products or seafood regularly?

Some alternative, holistic

and herbal practitioners are almost knee-jerk in their insistence that anyone

with a thyroid problem requires iodine supplementation (either liquid iodine,

or an herb that contains iodine, such as kelp or bladderwrack). This can

aggravate symptoms and worse thyroid problems in some people. ( See my own

story of iodine problems.)

But, unless you are

planning to get pregnant, are currently pregnant or you're breastfeeding,

you'll want to be very careful about taking iodine unless you and your

practitioner have some very strong evidence that you are deficient. If your

practitioner recommends iodine supplementation as a thyroid treatment, you may

wish to ask for a more specific test that can measure iodine levels -- the

" urinary excretion " test. This test which evaluates the iodine

excreted in the urine, and gives an indirect but fairly accurate assessment of

iodine levels, and can document deficiency.

Also, watch out for the

so-called " thyroid support " vitamin and supplement formulas,

including the heavily marketed and promoted Alvidar.

Most, like Alvidar, include substantial amounts of iodine, and if you are not

iodine-deficient, they can end up having the unintended and opposite effect of actually

making your symptoms worse, and aggravating your thyroid condition.

SOURCES:

Teng, Weiping M.D., et. al.

" Effect of Iodine Intake on Thyroid Diseases in China " New England

Journal of Medicine, Volume 354:2783-2793, June 29, 2006, Number 26

Utiger, D. M.D.

" Iodine Nutrition — More Is Better, " New England Journal of

Medicine, Volume 354:2819-2821, June 29, 2006, Number 26

Higdon, Jane Ph.D. et. al.

" Iodine, " Micronutrient Information Center, Linus ing

Insitute, Oregon State University, 2003 Article

International Council for the Control

of Iodine Deficiency Disorders

Shomon, J. Living

Well With Hypothyroidism: What Your Doctor Doesn't Tell You...That You Need to

Know, Harper, 2005

Shomon, J. The

Thyroid Guide to Fertility, Pregnancy and Breastfeeding Success,

Thyroid-Info, 2006

Janet,

You wrote:

>

> .... Most people are

> deficient in iodine, and a test to do is to put a small patch of iodine

> on your skin, about the size of a dollar, whatever size that is! If the

> iodine stain is gone before 24 hours then you may be deficient....

Sorry, but this " test " has been known to be quite fraudulent for

about

75 years. There was paper published about it in the 1930s. It's on the

web. Your skin will hardly absorb any iodine, whether you are deficient

or not. What this test really measures is how rapidly iodine evaporates.

Although iodine deficiency is relatively common world wide, in fact the

leading cause of mental retardation, it is not common in developed

countries that iodize table salt. In fact, there many papers expressing

concern about over dosing the population in countries with iodine

supplementation.

Chuck

No virus

found in this incoming message.

Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.30/2115 - Release Date: 05/14/09

17:54:00

[Guest guest]

An interesting article on Iodine and its use which I found;

http://thyroid.about.com/library/derry/bl2a.htm

Luv Lynne

[Guest guest]

FFP Laboratories offers the Iodine Loading Test where urine is collected throughout the day after ingesting iodine. If iodine levels are sufficient, 90 percent will pass from the body into the urine. The more that remains in the body, the greater the need for iodine.

Who should not take iodine? Have your doctor run a TPO (Thyroid Peroxidase Antibodies) blood test. If it is positive, do not take iodine. There are some people who are allergic to iodine, but most often it is really shellfish they are allergic to.

The whole of the article which this excerpt came from;

http://mind-mart.com/holistic-health/iodine-deficiency

Lynne

[Guest guest]

Yes, interesting indeed - especially the following " There

has been no significant clinical research on iodine therapy or use for 40

years. (11-15) I feel it is important for research to be directed at this

potentially significant area of medical treatment. It is worth noting the

greatest part of significant research with iodine was done before the Medline

search facilities were available. Of course, since large doses of iodine are

tolerated intravenously without side effects, it has yet to be explored what

help this may have for many cancer patients or even other diseases. "

Luv - Sheila

An interesting article on Iodine and its use which I found;

http://thyroid.about.com/library/derry/bl2a.htm

Luv Lynne

No virus

found in this incoming message.

Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.30/2115 - Release Date: 05/15/09

17:55:00

[Guest guest]

Sheila wrote:

>

>

>

> Yes, interesting indeed - especially the following " There has been no

> significant clinical research on iodine therapy or use for 40 years....

Interesting but not exactly true. NIH has had a longitudinal study in

progress for several years at up to 3 mg per day. If they ever publish

final results, I'll be sure to let you know. The preliminary results

showed a small benefit but only at a small dose.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

> Sorry, but this " test " has been known to be quite fraudulent for about

> 75 years. There was paper published about it in the 1930s. It's on the

> web. Your skin will hardly absorb any iodine, whether you are deficient

> or not. What this test really measures is how rapidly iodine evaporates.

Hi Chuck, thanks for bringing this to my attention as I was relying on this to

guide me, so I'll have to be a bit more cautious now.

Also sorry about not giving links everyone as I have not managed to get that

sorted out yet, although my husband has shown me what to do it will not work for

me, must be my woolly head not sorted out yet!!

love janet

>

[Guest guest]

If you are getting information from a web site Janet, all you

need to do is to put the cursor of your mouse over the URL (right at the top of

the page you are reading) and left click at the side and highlight it. Then

right click on the highlighted URL and on the drop down options box that

appears, left right click 'COPY'. Then in your message, you right click 'PASTE'

and the link will be shown.

I am sure there was a better technical way to write this, but

then, I ain't technical. Hope this works for you.

Luv - Sheila

Hi Chuck, thanks for bringing this to my attention as I was relying on this to

guide me, so I'll have to be a bit more cautious now.

Also sorry about not giving links everyone as I have not managed to get that

sorted out yet, although my husband has shown me what to do it will not work

for me, must be my woolly head not sorted out yet!!

love janet

>

No virus

found in this incoming message.

Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.32/2118 - Release Date: 05/16/09

17:05:00

[Guest guest]

>

> Dear

It all seems confusing to me. i am using Solgar Dima Norwegian Alghe Marine.

each tablet contains 225 mcg of iodine and the kelp itself is 84mg. I don't

know if it's deep sea or shore. but i do know i feel better. Anyone tell me

what's an ideal dose? can i overdose?

berny

>

>

>

> Hi Berny,

>

> deep sea kelp has a concentrated iodine content, but you can get shore

gathered kelp which is much easier for the body to cope with. I have used

'Seagreens' for quite some time and wouldn't be without it. You can read the

info and order at www.seagreens.com. Hope this is of interest.

>

> julia

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

Off topic but where is Sheila?!

[Guest guest]

Hi Jane and welcome to the group. I am sorry to hear of your problem. Someone will probably be answering your message in full soon.

How do you make your own iodine?

If you scroll down to the bottom of this message you will see "to change settings via email and it give you a link to click on, or alternatively it gives you a link to change your settings online.

Scroll down to where it gives the options of how you receive your mail. Click on special notices. I suggest you do not go 'no mail' as you will not be able to receive any important messages which need to be sent privately from time to time.

Lilian

Moderator

PS How do I turn off my inbox emails without unsubscribing I prefer to read the forum.

[Guest guest]

I do not consider this off topic any more than discussing other supplements we may need as off topic.

Sheila is having a well needed break from her computer for a couple of weeks but should be back with us soon.

Lilian

Moderator

[Guest guest]

Hi, Go to the forums website and click om 'my forums' you will then be able to reset preferences- it can get too much!! Have a look in the files on the site- there is a list of similar meds from elsewhere that may still be available. The alternative is to dose with an artificial T4/ t3 combo, but I know from personal experience that T4 such as levothyroxine can actually cause symptoms- i never get a 'woozy' head with Armour. > Subject: Iodine> > Hi I am new to the group. > I have had a recent breast cancer shock and consequently have spent hours researching. There is a paper written about subtle hyopthyroidism and breast cancer. To my dismay I discovered after private testing that I have subtle hypothyroid. My GP is completely in denial hiding behind his tests. I had been ill for several months prior to diagnosis. Imagine my sorrow now that I cannot get armour to self medicate after reaping the rewards in just the last two months. There are also many references to iodine deficiency and fibrocystic breasts (which some papers demonstrate can become cancerous after several years). A recent study shows 96% of 4000 people in the US are iodine deficient. And an iodine loading survey is taking place right now for post breast cancer people. Breast cancer is now 1 in 8. 30 years ago it was 1 in 24. I read the history of iodine and the major US distributor was shut down by the government in the 1930's.. (Sounds familiar?)The people were healthy and the entrepreneur was making too much money. They added iodine to salt and bread and he went bust. We were then all told in the '60's to cut our salt consumption to reduce heart problems. Subseqently iodine has been taken out of bread and substituted with bromide. Fluoride has been added to our water. Bromide and fluoride displace iodine as they are higher up the periodic table. The thyroid relies on iodine to function. My suspicion is I have been iodine deficient for 30 years. I have been supplementing iodine for three months (originally with Armour), and now sadly without as I have no armour left. I may never fix my damaged thyroid, but I feel better than I have for a while. I use lugols iodine. It costs about £20 per year. In my very humble opinion it is not the NHS that is killing us, it is the governments. Interesting reading: Agenda 21 and Codex Alimentarius. I am not political but just want to be healthy and have a choice. If the US adopts our NHS strategy then our internet purchasing options will be reduced further. Quangos and multinationals and pharmaceutical companies will dictate what we can and can't get hold of and therefore if we live or die.> I now make my own iodine.> I refuse to be ill at someone else's hands.I am also researching how to make my own Armour. I have a thyroid supplier. I need some recipes. Does anyone have one? > Jane> PS How do I turn off my inbox emails without unsubscribing I prefer to read the forum.> > > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

[Guest guest]

Hi, Surely you wouldn't deny her a well earned break! She'll be back at her computer soon. thyroid treatment From: montgomery106261@...Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 08:06:03 -0400Subject: Re: Iodine

Hi

Off topic but where is Sheila?!

View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place - Learn more!

[Guest guest]

There is a group for Iodine on , have you joined it?

iodine/

Chris

>

> Hi I am new to the group.

> I have had a recent breast cancer shock and consequently have spent hours

researching.

[Guest guest]

Regan,

You're email isn't working

Bruce

----- Original Message -----

From: Regan

[Guest guest]

I got your message :-)

Regan

>

> Regan,

> You're email isn't working

> Bruce

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Regan

>

[Guest guest]

I take one 12.5 mg tablet of Iodoral every day. There is some dispute about

whether it is good to take iodine if you have autoimmune thyroid problems,

however that doesn't apply to me so I don't have to worry about whether that is

the case or not.

Initially I followed the iodine loading protocol as described on Dr Myhill's web

page on the subject:

http://www.drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/Iodine_-_what_is_the_correct_daily_dose%3F

I can't say I really noticed any changes, though I did get initial symptoms of a

runny nose for about a week, which is supposed to be an iodine detox symptom.

Although the amount I take now is way over the Recommended Dietary Allowance, it

is only equivalent to what a typical Japanese person might get in their diet.

The RDA was set at the point where the iodine would prevent goiter, not the

optimal dosage.

The reason I continue to take iodine is that if I take a break from it for a

week and then resume the tablets, I get a runny nose again. As I do drink tea,

which contains fluoride, it seems a good idea to take iodine to counteract that.

The last time I bought Iodoral was from a UK website:

http://www.natures-practice.com/searchresults.aspx?searchterm=iodoral

Maybe other people can suggest other sources?

Miriam

>

> I was wondering if anyone on the forum takes Iodine & Thyroid medication? If

there is would you be able to contact me on my e-mail address. I'm looking

for a good iodine supplement to take.

> Thank you so much.

> Regards,

>

>

[Guest guest]

HI :

I've been on the iodine protocol for years and I highly recommend it. You can

take iodine by taking Iodoral (tablets) or Lugol's drops (liguid).... There is a

great deal to learn about the protocol and it must be followed for the iodine to

work properly and to be absorbed into the system. Feel free to contact me any

time for help or advice.

I also recommend the Iodine group...they are invaluable in their knowledge. They

can put right all the misconceptions about taking iodine.

Cheers,

JOT

iodine/

[Guest guest]

To be honest, I was a member of the iodine group for a while and wasn't that

impressed with it. Some of the members took the iodine loading tests before and

after doing the iodine protocol, but didn't show any improvement. In fact some

had worse results at the end. Something just didn't add up.

It doesn't help that the group is US based because it's possible they have a

worse bromide problem than we do here. For example, we don't have bromide in

bread, whereas it appears they do.

Miriam

> I also recommend the Iodine group...they are invaluable in their knowledge.

They can put right all the misconceptions about taking iodine.

>

> Cheers,

> JOT

>

>

> iodine/

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jot - Bromine may well be around everywhere, but we no longer

have Bromine added to our bread and haven't had it for years.

There are many people unable to tolerate iodine and who should

not be taking it. Iodine is not indicated for everybody suffering the symptoms

of hypothyroidism. Everybody should get thoroughly tested to see if they

are low in iodine before even considering adding it to their treatment regime.

Many of us here do a lot of research of necessity, into finding the cause of

our problems and research to find the best way to cure such problems and most

of us do realise this can be a long and lengthy business. It is also a very

natural reaction for some of us to want to heal quickly as I am sure you will

appreciate after they have been left to suffer for so many years. We are, as

you say, all different, and we must respect such differences.

Luv - Sheila

Bromide is in everything, not just bread. You have as much bromide in the

UK as the rest of the world. Just because you don't understand what it is,

doesn't mean it's not all around you every second of the day.

People don't heal because they want it fast and they want it now. Healing takes

a long time, a strong focus and the desire to be whole again. Everyone heals at

a different rate and by different standards. What's true for one may not be

true for others. Same with the adrenal protocol, the thyroid protocol and every

other protocol out there.

Cheers,

JOT