Re: Important Information HBOT Must read.

[Guest guest]

Dear List:

I, too, have had a phone call and know about the doctor in Wisconsin who is

trying to sabotage hbot for neurological. As soon as the details are posted,

please do what you can to let this doctor know that he could very well be

putting patients in harms way and that we as a group will speak out - loud

and clear.

e

[Guest guest]

That is disturbing. The neurologists and other medical staff at the

hospitals my son was in never gave us a shred of hope for any quality of

life or chance of improvement. I tried to keep my faith and get my son out

of the medical machine before it killed him. The tried very hard to get us

to leave him at a hospice. He is a happy 2+ year old today. He does have

severe brain damage but nonetheless smiles often with us. I have yet to try

HBOT and will be doing so this September. When the AMA trained medical

establishment goes from the heartless, uncaring and mechanistic machine it

has become to actively seeking to destroy hope for those that have escaped

their control, I call it evil. The behavior mentioned below has crossed

the line from amoral and impersonal behavior to actively destructive.

Snow

At 09:05 PM 8/24/02 EDT, you wrote:

>I got a disturbing call from a Dr. he will be making a post very soon on

this

>subject. There is a facilty in the upper states he said around Wisconsin

that

>is trying it's best to show Hyperbaric's does not work for Neurological

>disorders. To do this he is treating his paitents at 2.0 or higher for

>Neurological disorders. In past experiences with my child and from what I

>have seen Posted on the list No greater than 1.5 ata or 1.75 ata for

>Neurological disorders. The Dr. that called me never goes over 1.50 ata for

>neurological disorders that I know of. Very soon he will be posting this

>information he just called me today he asked me to post this he was on the

>road at the moment.

>

>Darin

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Darin,

the knowledge that the effect of hyperbaric oxygen on the brain peaks at around

1.5 has been established in the '70s, by a group of German doctors.

Dr. Neubauer, Dr. Harch and many others trace their protocols to that group's

scientific work.

The danger of consolidating neurological damage or precipitating the onset of

symptoms at excessive hyperbaric dosages was poignantly but awkwardly expressed

(in a broken English) by a Russian doctor in the Boca Raton symposium. She even

called for a reduction of pressure/concentration/time

in the current protocols.

According to the newer trends, you are right in considering the news disturbing.

It might even amount to multiple iatrogenic acts.

Let's see wait for the details.

Best regards.

Ignacio Fojgel, M.D.

Buenos Aires, Argentina

Bry8825@... wrote:

> I got a disturbing call from a Dr. he will be making a post very soon on this

> subject. There is a facilty in the upper states he said around Wisconsin that

> is trying it's best to show Hyperbaric's does not work for Neurological

> disorders. To do this he is treating his paitents at 2.0 or higher for

> Neurological disorders. In past experiences with my child and from what I

> have seen Posted on the list No greater than 1.5 ata or 1.75 ata for

> Neurological disorders. The Dr. that called me never goes over 1.50 ata for

> neurological disorders that I know of. Very soon he will be posting this

> information he just called me today he asked me to post this he was on the

> road at the moment.

>

> Darin

>

[Guest guest]

snow don't get me wrong there are wonderfull places to take your child

for HBOT. Dr. Neubauer out of FLorida , Wonderfull Man. You have Lufkin

HYperbaric's here in Texas. Now those are the two that I know are very well

run. There are others these are the only two I have been two. So they are the

only ones I can respond to. But both realy work in the best interest of the

child. When taking your child to a health care provider or Hyperbaric clinic

you can tell those who's pasion is in the work and those who's are not. There

is also the Noah Center I have been in contact with them via email off and on

and I can tell you they to are one to take a loved one to. But those are

about the only one's I have been in contact with. Others from the group can

point you in the right direction as well to other facility's that are in

there area.

Darin

[Guest guest]

,

Hello. I am Tammy. My son is trached, non-verbal, and also has a seizure

disorder. He too is on valporic acid. WOULD LOVE to speak privately with you

sometime. My son is 20 and was injured when he was 14. I took him when he was

3 years post injury for HBOT. He did it with a trache and seizures. He did

OK. He was treated at Dr. Neubauer's facility in Florida at 1.5 ATA. We tried

going up to 1.75 ATA and the next morning he had a seizure, so he was dropped

right back down to 1.50 ATA and did fine after that. He went through 41

treatments. I had to take his HME off when he went into the chamber, and kept

his mist mask over his trache, and put tape over the end where the hose hooks

up. This was to prevent stuff from getting all over the inside of the chamber

in case he coughed.

BUT it is doable, I can't speak for the Baclofen pump as Nate does not have

one. I did find many changes with Nate with having HBOT versus NOT having

HBOT.

Hope this helps.

Tammy & Nate

[Guest guest]

Hi!

I have a progressive neurological disorder which responds wonderfully to

HBOT, at the correct depth and time. Treatment above 1.5 ata GROSSLY

exacerbates my condition. Had I not been fortunate enough to find Dr.

Harch who was willing to use 1.5 ata, I would have concluded that HBOT

was detrimental if not dangerous.

This doctor needs to be made aware of the plethora of evidence which

speaks to oxygen toxicity and be reminded: " .... above all, do no harm. " .

Joanne Brindley

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[Guest guest]

Hey yes they can go in with a trach. Katlyn my daughter has a baclfen pump as

well it does fine in the chamber but it is not recomened to go over 1.75 with

a baclofen pump. Katlyns baclofen pump was able to be turned off after HBOT.

That is because after HBOT the spazticty was reduced greatly. Also I have

seen paitents Katlyn my daughter being on of them come off alot of

medications after HBOT. I tell you Lufkin would be great. I have never been

to Sanantonio I can't tell you. The one place I take my child to is Florida

Im very partial to this place because that is where I took Katy but by no

means am I telling anyone to do the same. I will allways have a very special

drawing to Neubauer's Clinic. Good Luck if I can help in anyway just Let me

know.

Darin

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[Guest guest]

,

It has been over 2 years since Nate has received his HBOT in 100%

pressurized chamber. I can't speak for everyone else, but am happy to report

that the vast majority of improvements I saw with my son, have remained to

this day!!!

The gains I saw were...

movement where there had been NONE! Alertness where there was NONE. Release

of contractures that phenol blocks, Botox injections, splinting, and serial

casting did NOTHING for. His contractures have remained AT BAY since them in

his elbows, but he got tighter in his fingers. Ability to stay awake where he

couldn't before. Cognitive improvement that those around him have noticed,

yet doctors seem to miss or refuse to see.

Those are what I saw he gained and still has after 2 years.

I will email you PRIVATELY with my phone number.

I live in New Hampshire.

Hugs

Tammy & Nate

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/25/2002 12:26:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

Acreacy@... writes:

> Dear List:

>

> I, too, have had a phone call and know about the doctor in Wisconsin who is

> trying to sabotage hbot for neurological. As soon as the details are

> posted,

> please do what you can to let this doctor know that he could very well be

> putting patients in harms way and that we as a group will speak out - loud

> and clear.

>

>

Can anyone post this info privately??

I'm not far from Wisconsin... and well... it would be mild to say I'm a lil

ticked.....

Love yas!

)

Mom to i ~ ACC, DWS, SID, LMC-TCS, PDD-NOS, ABCDEFG Kid

Who continues to show us what the power of prayer will overcome!

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" latest " updates )

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/25/2002 9:52:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

Bry8825@... writes:

> snow don't get me wrong there are wonderfull places to take your child

> for HBOT. Dr. Neubauer out of FLorida , Wonderfull Man. You have Lufkin

> HYperbaric's here in Texas. Now those are the two that I know are very well

> run. There are others these are the only two I have been two. So they are

> the

> only ones I can respond to. But both realy work in the best interest of the

> child. When taking your child to a health care provider or Hyperbaric

> clinic

> you can tell those who's pasion is in the work and those who's are not.

> There

> is also the Noah Center I have been in contact with them via email off and

> on

> and I can tell you they to are one to take a loved one to. But those are

> about the only one's I have been in contact with. Others from the group can

> point you in the right direction as well to other facility's that are in

> there area.

>

(((((((((((Darin)))))))))))))))

Thank you...... that was an incredible compliment..... you made my day......

I can't wait to meet you guys.....

Love yas!

)

Mom to i ~ ACC, DWS, SID, LMC-TCS, PDD-NOS, ABCDEFG Kid

Who continues to show us what the power of prayer will overcome!

<A HREF= " http://www.noahcenter.com/ " >N.O.A.H. Center</A>  <~Click for our

" latest " updates )

Remember, Amateurs built the ark. (given plans from the Master craftsmen)

 Professionals built the Titanic. (given plans from mere men)

Old Romanian saying....   " Sometimes, God will allow a  Tear on our cheek,

only because He wants to raise a Rainbow in out hearts. "  Romans 8:28

<A HREF= " http://www.forfranki.com/ " >For i Foundation</A>

" Be careful.  Don't think these little children are worth nothing.  I tell

you they have angels in heaven who are always with my Father in heaven. "

  18:10

<A HREF= " http://hometown.aol.com/frankisangels/DollarMinistry.html " >i's

Angels</A>  <~ Small commitment ~ Big returns

" Commit to the Lord whatever you do, and your plans will succeed. " Proverbs

16:3

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[Guest guest]

Hello!

My name is and my son's name is . He is 33 years old and 18

months post injury. He was trapped underwater for 10 to 15 minutes. Now

he has a trach, a g-tube, and is on the drug valproic acid and

neurontine for myoclonic (sp) seizures. He cannot speak. Occasionally he

will vocalize with a moan when he is turned. At times, I can tell he is

really trying and can squeeze my hand when asked. He keeps his mouth

open all the time, although he sometimes " works " it opening and closing

it.

Could anyone tell me their opinion of him gettig hbot? Can he go with a

trach? Would his meds affect this at all? OH! He also hasa bacofen pump.

It is set at 850 ug's daily. We live in Orange, Texas. Lufkin is close,

but we could go to San .

Thanks for any info you can give me!

God Bless,

Klecka

[Guest guest]

Hi, Tammy!

Thanks for responding! How long has it been since Nate had his hbot

treatments? What diferences did it make for him?

My sister is an RN and works for a wound care hbo faciity. Her boss

went to a conference in Conroe, Texas and said that any brain injury

recieving any benefits from hbo wold lose any gains within months. I

wonder if this is true?

Where are you from? I would love to talk to you as well.I could give

you my # or you could give me yours.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

,

there is a family in a similar situation on the

parentsofneardrowns list. Here is their post from last

week:

> Update on , 27 years old, 4-1/2 post MVA

> w/near drowning.

> August 7 we took to Louisiana to see Dr.

> Harch. The spect-

> dive-spect series was done. The scan showed a 20%

> increase in blood

> flow with just one dive. But more importantly 1-1/2

> hours after the

> dive mouthed I LOVE YOU, he was so alert and

> pointing to all

> his facial features with such animation, needless to

> say we are

> praising God and so excited.

>

> We can't get away for the block of time to do 40

> treatments right

> now, so we've started driving 3 hours to San

> twice per week.

> As of yesterday has had 3 treatments, and he

> hugged me

> yesterday for the first time since that horrible

> night January 17,

> 1998. He said the vowels for me with a whisper

> yesterday, I am

> beside myself. I think I died and went to heaven.

>

> Please everyone this journey is hard and painful I

> know, but don't

> give up there is always hope and healing. God

> Bless,

> Pat

They are really nice people and may be able to answer

some questions for you.

Best wishes,

Sunny

--- sarahklecka@... wrote:

> Hello!

> My name is and my son's name is . He is

> 33 years old and 18

> months post injury. He was trapped underwater for 10

> to 15 minutes. Now

> he has a trach, a g-tube, and is on the drug

> valproic acid and

> neurontine for myoclonic (sp) seizures. He cannot

> speak. Occasionally he

> will vocalize with a moan when he is turned. At

> times, I can tell he is

> really trying and can squeeze my hand when asked. He

> keeps his mouth

> open all the time, although he sometimes " works " it

> opening and closing

> it.

> Could anyone tell me their opinion of him gettig

> hbot? Can he go with a

> trach? Would his meds affect this at all? OH! He

> also hasa bacofen pump.

> It is set at 850 ug's daily. We live in Orange,

> Texas. Lufkin is close,

> but we could go to San .

> Thanks for any info you can give me!

> God Bless,

> Klecka

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

My daughter has a brain injury (bad vaccine) and went for HBOT 3 yrs ago.

She has not lost any ground, made substantial gains. Before HBOT she had

tremors every 20-30 seconds all day every day. After HBOT she only had them

at bedtime. Her tonic clonic seizures were reduced 50 % and her short term

memory: before HBOT she could remember things for 24 hours, after HBOT she

can remember things for two weeks, which gives us time to try to transfer

things into long term memory. She also had improvements in eye tracking and

equilibrium. Some things did go away shortly after HBOT, such as energy

levels, elated emotions, hunger (she suffers from abdominal seizures and

goes through phases where she won't eat, but she ate a LOT during and after

HBOT).

Ellen

Re: [ ] Important Information HBOT Must read.

> Hi, Tammy!

> Thanks for responding! How long has it been since Nate had his hbot

> treatments? What diferences did it make for him?

> My sister is an RN and works for a wound care hbo faciity. Her boss

> went to a conference in Conroe, Texas and said that any brain injury

> recieving any benefits from hbo wold lose any gains within months. I

> wonder if this is true?

> Where are you from? I would love to talk to you as well.I could give

> you my # or you could give me yours.

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hello , we have treated many children with trach, g tube and had no

problems, and 7 near drown patients, we wish you the very best and a full

recovery.

Sincerely

www.hbot4u.com

Re: [ ] Important Information HBOT Must read.

Hello!

My name is and my son's name is . He is 33 years old and 18

months post injury. He was trapped underwater for 10 to 15 minutes. Now

he has a trach, a g-tube, and is on the drug valproic acid and

neurontine for myoclonic (sp) seizures. He cannot speak. Occasionally he

will vocalize with a moan when he is turned. At times, I can tell he is

really trying and can squeeze my hand when asked. He keeps his mouth

open all the time, although he sometimes " works " it opening and closing

it.

Could anyone tell me their opinion of him gettig hbot? Can he go with a

trach? Would his meds affect this at all? OH! He also hasa bacofen pump.

It is set at 850 ug's daily. We live in Orange, Texas. Lufkin is close,

but we could go to San .

Thanks for any info you can give me!

God Bless,

Klecka

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[Guest guest]

Hi Sara,

It is not necessarily true.

Like with many other therapies, some HBO patients may need boosts from time to

time.

Gains depend on a betterment of the bodily oxygen status, a biological variable

that naturally diminishes during and after certain conditions.

Some short-lived gains may (often) or may not return with extra treatments.

A post-flu or a post-flight (altitude hypoxia) setback can be corrected by

further sessions, and any eventual passive dwindling of the effect may need

one-two sessions a week maintainance not to develop.

Conditions or aggravations that depend on a chronic production of free radicals,

more so.

This is only a coarse guideline, as every patient is different.

The deleterious effect of colds, flu and any other severely stressful condition

seems to be universal, though. It affects each person in a different way, too.

Patients other than neurological also loose some of their gains with time and

age, and need boosts and eventually further courses of treatment.

Your sister's boss is echoing the old-fashioned, high- pressure HBO docs'

notion.

They never use low or ultralow pressures, as they have no use for them either

in wound care, infectious diseases or in diving medicine.

Worse than that, the classical hyperbaricist does not understand low pressures,

low pO2 increments, and the like, as they primarily deal with divers and their

accidents or with severely compromised tissues.

They may therefore show the utmost contempt for feeble pressures, low

concentrations and shorter times. It is because they can only think on physical

and chemical terms, not of biological effects, that can deployed with less

efforts than the usual at their facilities.

Best regards.

Ignacio Fojgel, M.D.

Buenos Aires, Argentina.

sarahklecka@... wrote:

>

.................................................................................\

.......................

> My sister is an RN and works for a wound care hbo faciity. Her boss

> went to a conference in Conroe, Texas and said that any brain injury

> recieving any benefits from hbo wold lose any gains within months. I

> wonder if this is true?

>

[Guest guest]

Dear e,

Thank goodness you are hanging in there and hanging tough Our adversaries are

most intimidating and will stop at nothing as we have seen over the years.

The impostors and human termites are eating away at what little structure we

have for HBO which isn't much. As we used to say in our Navy, the oceans are

so big and my ship is so small. Yet, our ship did survive against the

suicide bombers. Thank you for your deraign do. Manson

[Guest guest]

Sara,

Have your sister ask that same doctor if a wound would lose its HBOT gains

after a few months. Of course it wouldn't because the anoxic tissue has

become healthy again with improve capillary circulation. This is true for

all bodily tissues, whether it is bone, skin, muscle, etc.. (Of course

according to this doctor, except for the brain.)

It is easy to see the lack of mental strength in his argument (As Dr.

Fojgel mentions, they only thing in terms of physics, not biology, or more

importantly, neurology.)

The issue is, wound care physicians cannot make the mental leap that the

brain is exceptionally sensitive to oxygen levels - both low O2 levels and

high O2 levels. While you can put a turnicate on an arm for an hour an

have minimal residual damage. You cut off the O2 flow to the brain, you

have killed the person. Further, you flood the brain with too much O2, it

has problems.

The logic is self explanatory: the brain requires 20+% of the body's blood

flow ; the brain uses approx. 20% of the body's energy....... doesn't it

make sense that the brain has great needs, and sensitivities? Like Dr.

Harch says, everyone understands this stuff except the doctors!

FYI RE: Cutting O2 to the brain: Dr. Van Meter did an animal study where

they stopped the hearts of pigs for 30 minutes; and then resuscitated them

with HBOT and they were resumed their lives as before.

Final FYI: While many, many UHMS " experts " have aggressively disparaged

HBOT for neurological applications, note that to date, no one will step

forward with confidence to an open scientific debate the issue of HBOT for

neurology. NO ONE! Each, aggressor has told requestors that they do not

have the expertise to debate the issue.

Just sonething to think about next time an HBOT " expert " attempts to inform

you of the " facts " .

Ed Nemeth

At 11:05 PM 8/25/2002 -0300, you wrote:

>Hi Sara,

>It is not necessarily true.

>Like with many other therapies, some HBO patients may need boosts from

>time to time.

>Gains depend on a betterment of the bodily oxygen status, a biological

>variable that naturally diminishes during and after certain conditions.

>Some short-lived gains may (often) or may not return with extra treatments.

>A post-flu or a post-flight (altitude hypoxia) setback can be corrected by

>further sessions, and any eventual passive dwindling of the effect may

>need one-two sessions a week maintainance not to develop.

>Conditions or aggravations that depend on a chronic production of free

>radicals, more so.

>This is only a coarse guideline, as every patient is different.

>The deleterious effect of colds, flu and any other severely stressful

>condition seems to be universal, though. It affects each person in a

>different way, too.

>Patients other than neurological also loose some of their gains with time

>and age, and need boosts and eventually further courses of treatment.

>

>Your sister's boss is echoing the old-fashioned, high- pressure HBO docs'

>notion.

>They never use low or ultralow pressures, as they have no use for them

>either in wound care, infectious diseases or in diving medicine.

>Worse than that, the classical hyperbaricist does not understand low

>pressures, low pO2 increments, and the like, as they primarily deal with

>divers and their accidents or with severely compromised tissues.

>They may therefore show the utmost contempt for feeble pressures, low

>concentrations and shorter times. It is because they can only think on

>physical and chemical terms, not of biological effects, that can deployed

>with less efforts than the usual at their facilities.

>Best regards.

>Ignacio Fojgel, M.D.

>Buenos Aires, Argentina.

>

>sarahklecka@... wrote:

>

> >

>

.................................................................................\

.......................

> > My sister is an RN and works for a wound care hbo faciity. Her boss

> > went to a conference in Conroe, Texas and said that any brain injury

> > recieving any benefits from hbo wold lose any gains within months. I

> > wonder if this is true?

> >

>

>

>

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>medicaid/files/

>

>Download your state EPSDT program

>http://www.hcfa.gov/medicaid/stateplan/Map.asp by doing a search on the

>word " ameliorate " . State Medicaid websites

>http://www.medi-cal.ca.gov/RelSites_Oth_States.asp . Medicaid waiver

>programs: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/1029/medicaid.html

>

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Again, I go back to the UHMS " experts " who know and proselytize against

HBOT for neurology, but, cannot defend their intellectual basis because

they are not " expert enough " . But, perhaps, this particular doctor

should be best put into the category of Enron, Arthur , Global

Crossing and MCI. These groups are accused of using obvious rules and

guidelines to knowingly present fraudulent information for their own benefits.

We can show that HBOT will not work for anything (wound care, carbon

monoxide poisoning, etc.) if we create the proper (or, worst) environment

for the treatment. Perhaps this doctor would like to treat a stroke

patient on coumidin by giving that patient 10 times the ethical

prescription level. Would that trial work. NO! That would be specifically

fraudulent, because the dosage studies would have shown that this treatment

was clearly outside the viable realm.

In fact, that physician could be hit with criminal penalties, as well as

civil penalties because he is specifically endangering a patient's life for

fraudulent purposes.

PS That Atlanta newspaper article made me sick to my stomach. I don't

understand people. I will leave my comments at that.

Ed Nemeth

At 09:05 PM 8/24/2002 -0400, you wrote:

>I got a disturbing call from a Dr. he will be making a post very soon on this

>subject. There is a facilty in the upper states he said around Wisconsin that

>is trying it's best to show Hyperbaric's does not work for Neurological

>disorders. To do this he is treating his paitents at 2.0 or higher for

>Neurological disorders. In past experiences with my child and from what I

>have seen Posted on the list No greater than 1.5 ata or 1.75 ata for

>Neurological disorders. The Dr. that called me never goes over 1.50 ata for

>neurological disorders that I know of. Very soon he will be posting this

>information he just called me today he asked me to post this he was on the

>road at the moment.

>

>Darin

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

May this list please have a copy of the Atlanta newspaper article? Thanks. M.

Lepawsky

Ed Nemeth wrote:

> Again, I go back to the UHMS " experts " who know and proselytize against

> HBOT for neurology, but, cannot defend their intellectual basis because

> they are not " expert enough " . But, perhaps, this particular doctor

> should be best put into the category of Enron, Arthur , Global

> Crossing and MCI. These groups are accused of using obvious rules and

> guidelines to knowingly present fraudulent information for their own benefits.

>

> We can show that HBOT will not work for anything (wound care, carbon

> monoxide poisoning, etc.) if we create the proper (or, worst) environment

> for the treatment. Perhaps this doctor would like to treat a stroke

> patient on coumidin by giving that patient 10 times the ethical

> prescription level. Would that trial work. NO! That would be specifically

> fraudulent, because the dosage studies would have shown that this treatment

> was clearly outside the viable realm.

>

> In fact, that physician could be hit with criminal penalties, as well as

> civil penalties because he is specifically endangering a patient's life for

> fraudulent purposes.

>

> PS That Atlanta newspaper article made me sick to my stomach. I don't

> understand people. I will leave my comments at that.

>

> Ed Nemeth

>

> At 09:05 PM 8/24/2002 -0400, you wrote:

> >I got a disturbing call from a Dr. he will be making a post very soon on this

> >subject. There is a facilty in the upper states he said around Wisconsin that

> >is trying it's best to show Hyperbaric's does not work for Neurological

> >disorders. To do this he is treating his paitents at 2.0 or higher for

> >Neurological disorders. In past experiences with my child and from what I

> >have seen Posted on the list No greater than 1.5 ata or 1.75 ata for

> >Neurological disorders. The Dr. that called me never goes over 1.50 ata for

> >neurological disorders that I know of. Very soon he will be posting this

> >information he just called me today he asked me to post this he was on the

> >road at the moment.

> >

> >Darin

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Sara,

I would suggest that you go to Dr. Neubauer's " Ocean Hyperbaric's " website

go to :

http://www.littlestangel.com/resource.asp

then go to

Brain Injury, CP, and Autism Treatment Centers

(I am sending you there because there are also other websites and other

online materials to help you).

Dr. Neubauer has had as much experience with near drowning victims as

anyone, except possibly Dr. Harch (Harch Hyperbarics - also on the list).

Also, Contact MUMS (on another list on that same Resource page).

Gordaon has esta. MUMS to help all of us parents with HBOT information.

Also, there is a Special coming to the Discovery Channel on Sept. 14th and

21st at 9:00 PM and Midnight EST. (the dates have bounced around and these

are the latest dates. This special demonstrates the basic medical

applications of HBOT.

I understand that you do live in San , but, I would really start by

taking your son to Dr. Neubauer (Florida) , or Dr. Harch (New

Orleans). They have together treated Over a thousand brain injured

patients, since 1990, or so.

Also, they have treated many patients with significant seizure, and other

complications.

From there, you can go to a center closer to home, that is also less

costly. But, start your journey correctly. Go to the best.

In short, (other than the complications that should be properly reviewed)

low pressure HBOT (1.5 ATA or less) helps for neurological injuries.

Best Wishes,

Ed Nemeth

Father of

At 11:35 AM 8/25/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>Hello!

> My name is and my son's name is . He is 33 years old and 18

>months post injury. He was trapped underwater for 10 to 15 minutes. Now

>he has a trach, a g-tube, and is on the drug valproic acid and

>neurontine for myoclonic (sp) seizures. He cannot speak. Occasionally he

>will vocalize with a moan when he is turned. At times, I can tell he is

>really trying and can squeeze my hand when asked. He keeps his mouth

>open all the time, although he sometimes " works " it opening and closing

>it.

> Could anyone tell me their opinion of him gettig hbot? Can he go with a

>trach? Would his meds affect this at all? OH! He also hasa bacofen pump.

>It is set at 850 ug's daily. We live in Orange, Texas. Lufkin is close,

>but we could go to San .

> Thanks for any info you can give me!

>God Bless,

> Klecka

>

>

>

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PS Sara,

I forgot to mention Dr. Neubauer's online before and after videos. One

little boy is a near drowning victim. Well worth your time to look at.

Best Wishes,

Ed Nemeth

At 11:35 AM 8/25/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>Hello!

> My name is and my son's name is . He is 33 years old and 18

>months post injury. He was trapped underwater for 10 to 15 minutes. Now

>he has a trach, a g-tube, and is on the drug valproic acid and

>neurontine for myoclonic (sp) seizures. He cannot speak. Occasionally he

>will vocalize with a moan when he is turned. At times, I can tell he is

>really trying and can squeeze my hand when asked. He keeps his mouth

>open all the time, although he sometimes " works " it opening and closing

>it.

> Could anyone tell me their opinion of him gettig hbot? Can he go with a

>trach? Would his meds affect this at all? OH! He also hasa bacofen pump.

>It is set at 850 ug's daily. We live in Orange, Texas. Lufkin is close,

>but we could go to San .

> Thanks for any info you can give me!

>God Bless,

> Klecka

>

>

>

>_._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._.

>Unrestricted downloads of 50+ pdf files on HBOT efficacy

>medicaid/files/

>

>Download your state EPSDT program

>http://www.hcfa.gov/medicaid/stateplan/Map.asp by doing a search on the

>word " ameliorate " . State Medicaid websites

>http://www.medi-cal.ca.gov/RelSites_Oth_States.asp . Medicaid waiver

>programs: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/1029/medicaid.html

>

>Find a hyperbaric clinic http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolist.htm

>

>HBOT can save billions of dollars and millions of heartaches. Subscribe to

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[Guest guest]

I will try to dig it up and fax it to Freels.

At 02:07 PM 8/26/2002 -0700, you wrote:

>May this list please have a copy of the Atlanta newspaper article?

>Thanks. M. Lepawsky

>

>Ed Nemeth wrote:

>

> > Again, I go back to the UHMS " experts " who know and proselytize against

> > HBOT for neurology, but, cannot defend their intellectual basis because

> > they are not " expert enough " . But, perhaps, this particular doctor

> > should be best put into the category of Enron, Arthur , Global

> > Crossing and MCI. These groups are accused of using obvious rules and

> > guidelines to knowingly present fraudulent information for their own

> benefits.

> >

> > We can show that HBOT will not work for anything (wound care, carbon

> > monoxide poisoning, etc.) if we create the proper (or, worst) environment

> > for the treatment. Perhaps this doctor would like to treat a stroke

> > patient on coumidin by giving that patient 10 times the ethical

> > prescription level. Would that trial work. NO! That would be specifically

> > fraudulent, because the dosage studies would have shown that this treatment

> > was clearly outside the viable realm.

> >

> > In fact, that physician could be hit with criminal penalties, as well as

> > civil penalties because he is specifically endangering a patient's life for

> > fraudulent purposes.

> >

> > PS That Atlanta newspaper article made me sick to my stomach. I don't

> > understand people. I will leave my comments at that.

> >

> > Ed Nemeth

> >

> > At 09:05 PM 8/24/2002 -0400, you wrote:

> > >I got a disturbing call from a Dr. he will be making a post very soon

> on this

> > >subject. There is a facilty in the upper states he said around

> Wisconsin that

> > >is trying it's best to show Hyperbaric's does not work for Neurological

> > >disorders. To do this he is treating his paitents at 2.0 or higher for

> > >Neurological disorders. In past experiences with my child and from what I

> > >have seen Posted on the list No greater than 1.5 ata or 1.75 ata for

> > >Neurological disorders. The Dr. that called me never goes over 1.50

> ata for

> > >neurological disorders that I know of. Very soon he will be posting this

> > >information he just called me today he asked me to post this he was on the

> > >road at the moment.

> > >

> > >Darin

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

oops...

The Atlanta article was submitted by earlier this weekend.

>From http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/metro/0802/24gilmore.html

[ The Atlanta Journal-Constitution: 8/24/02 ]

Rhiannon's tragic life, death detailed in court

By DIANE STEPP

Atlanta Journal-Constitution Staff Writer

Rhiannon Gilmore died alone in a sweltering room fouled by dog feces and

her own soiled diaper, authorities testified Friday.

Police found cloths jammed under the 13-year-old's bedroom door, and a fan

set up in the window, Cherokee County Sheriff's Department investigator

Owen said Friday.

Details of the case were described in testimony during a probable cause

hearing Friday for Rhiannon's mother, Gilmore. Magistrate Judge

Drane bound Gilmore over to the Cherokee County grand jury. She is

charged with first-degree cruelty to children and contributing to the

deprivation of a minor.

She also faces a first-degree animal cruelty charge because a dog that

apparently died of starvation or dehydration was found chained in Gilmore's

yard.

Investigators said Gilmore rarely checked on her oldest child, who had

cerebral palsy and was unable to speak or feed herself and required a

wheelchair. Gilmore, 33, typically came home from work after midnight and

went to her bedroom, where there was a computer and a video camera. There

she stayed up e-mailing and doing " sexual acts " until 5 a.m. or 6 a.m.,

rarely checking on her oldest child, said Detective Jeannette Vetter.

The exact hour that Rhiannon died isn't known, and autopsy results aren't

yet complete. But her body was in an advanced state of decay when

authorities were called to the house on Wheeler Road off Ga. 20 in

Canton shortly before midnight on Aug. 6.

Gilmore last saw her daughter Aug. 3, Vetter said. She briefly stuck her

head into Rhiannon's room on her way to work and found the girl " laying

there smiling, " she told Vetter.

" She said Trent Day cared for the children, " Vetter said. Day is Gilmore's

boyfriend and ex-husband, but not the father of Gilmore's three children.

He is charged with concealing a death, tampering with evidence and animal

cruelty.

Day told authorities he filled Rhiannon's feeding supply around 11 p.m.

Aug. 4 and discovered her dead the next day around 1 p.m. But it was not

until nearly midnight Aug. 6 that authorities were notified. Gilmore's

first call that night was to her Habitat for Humanity counselor,

investigators testified. The counselor called police, they said.

Before authorities arrived, cloths had been stuffed under Rhiannon's

bedroom door and a fan placed in the window in an effort to keep the stench

emanating from her room from the rest of the house after her death, Owen

said. Temperatures had been well above 90 degrees and the house was very

warm, Owen said.

" The rear bedrooms were a total disaster with animal feces on the floor, "

said Owen, one of the first to arrive at the scene. " Rhiannon was dead, in

an advanced stage of decomposition. Her feeding system was not hooked up. "

Vetter said neighbors told her they had called the state Division of Family

and Children Services concerned that Rhiannon was left unsupervised.

She said Rhiannon's teachers from Sixes Elementary and Teasley Middle

schools had also contacted the agency concerned over lack of nutrition and

other signs of neglect.

A caseworker was fired, another caseworker and supervisor resigned, and a

second supervisor was demoted in the case. Gilmore's two other children

have been placed in state custody.

Canton attorney Joe Hendricks, who represents Gilmore, said that while

Rhiannon's living conditions were not ideal there was no malicious intent

on Gilmore's part or medical neglect.

He said the house was not air-conditioned and that Rhiannon had spent other

summers there and that she had been provided with movies and a television.

" There is no evidence of cause of death. It may be natural causes, "

Hendricks said.

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" Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own

understanding; in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make your

paths straight. Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear the LORD and shun

evil. " [Prov. 3:5-7]

At 02:07 PM 8/26/2002 -0700, you wrote:

>May this list please have a copy of the Atlanta newspaper article?

>Thanks. M. Lepawsky

>

>Ed Nemeth wrote:

>

> > Again, I go back to the UHMS " experts " who know and proselytize against

> > HBOT for neurology, but, cannot defend their intellectual basis because

> > they are not " expert enough " . But, perhaps, this particular doctor

> > should be best put into the category of Enron, Arthur , Global

> > Crossing and MCI. These groups are accused of using obvious rules and

> > guidelines to knowingly present fraudulent information for their own

> benefits.

> >

> > We can show that HBOT will not work for anything (wound care, carbon

> > monoxide poisoning, etc.) if we create the proper (or, worst) environment

> > for the treatment. Perhaps this doctor would like to treat a stroke

> > patient on coumidin by giving that patient 10 times the ethical

> > prescription level. Would that trial work. NO! That would be specifically

> > fraudulent, because the dosage studies would have shown that this treatment

> > was clearly outside the viable realm.

> >

> > In fact, that physician could be hit with criminal penalties, as well as

> > civil penalties because he is specifically endangering a patient's life for

> > fraudulent purposes.

> >

> > PS That Atlanta newspaper article made me sick to my stomach. I don't

> > understand people. I will leave my comments at that.

> >

> > Ed Nemeth

> >

> > At 09:05 PM 8/24/2002 -0400, you wrote:

> > >I got a disturbing call from a Dr. he will be making a post very soon

> on this

> > >subject. There is a facilty in the upper states he said around

> Wisconsin that

> > >is trying it's best to show Hyperbaric's does not work for Neurological

> > >disorders. To do this he is treating his paitents at 2.0 or higher for

> > >Neurological disorders. In past experiences with my child and from what I

> > >have seen Posted on the list No greater than 1.5 ata or 1.75 ata for

> > >Neurological disorders. The Dr. that called me never goes over 1.50

> ata for

> > >neurological disorders that I know of. Very soon he will be posting this

> > >information he just called me today he asked me to post this he was on the

> > >road at the moment.

> > >

> > >Darin

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I agree totally take your child to the best Dr. Neubauer I have been there to

witness some amazeing thing's take place a child with spinal minagitas who

was on a ventilator for 1 1/2 years and a full body Jacket watched the child

as I was there slowy come off the ventilator. Also wacthed as the body Jacket

came off. Also there are great Dr.s there that can provide you with the

proper therapy that you need for your child. Oneis Dr. Cralle he is in

Deerfeild Beach and the speach therapist there I recomend is Terri Gladwish.

Both of these therapist are wonderfull and work well with Dr. Neubauer and

his paitent's. I have seen other miracles take place more than I can post on

here at this time. He is the leading profesional in this feld as Dr. Harch is

as well. This is a great place to start and then move closer to home. I can't

agree with Ed more on this issue. Dr. Neubauer has been treating since 1972

and has been an advocate for HBOT for soom time. I personally think the man

is great. I stand beside him 100% and owe my life to him for what he has done

for Katy. He really stands firm on his issues and he really cares for your

child. He really goes out of his way to help each paitent. The staff there is

wonderfull and I can tell you. You will feel as if you are talking to your

best freind while at the center. I found I wa avle to get alot of good

information from the other parent's as well resources I may not have found if

I had not gone there. I have been there four times and every time I think of

going somewhere else I allway's find myself back at his center. Goodluck to

you and I hope you find this helpfull.

Goodluck you are in our prayers,

Darin Janie @ Katlyn

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