Ambient Air Portable Vs. Hard Shell Oxygen

[Guest guest]

Dear List:

Are there any success anecdotes of using the ambient air portable chambers?

I've read the study where ambient air was used as a placebo, but I'm

wondering has it proven itself to be a worthwhile alternative?

We are still talking about anywhere from 5,000 to 25,000 for these ambient

chambers. When there are no funds from settlements these amounts can still

be quite a strain on some people. But even worse is to sacrifice to put the

funds together and find out it doesn't work.

Has anyone ever published comparisons between the two?

God Bless,

Pat

Mom to , Jan 1998 MVA/Near Drowning

[Guest guest]

Pat,

The McGill Study featured a " control " group that received 1.3 ATA air. The

report specified that there was no difference in results between the

" control " and test (1.75 ATA 100% O2) groups.

Unofficially, Dr. Marois informed me the test group had better

improvements, though.

Second, I have a least one friend who has seen good results with a

collapsible chamber for his moderately CP 3 year old son.

Best Wishes,

Ed Nemeth

At 05:54 PM 10/18/2002 -0400, you wrote:

>Dear List:

>

>Are there any success anecdotes of using the ambient air portable chambers?

>I've read the study where ambient air was used as a placebo, but I'm

>wondering has it proven itself to be a worthwhile alternative?

>

>We are still talking about anywhere from 5,000 to 25,000 for these ambient

>chambers. When there are no funds from settlements these amounts can still

>be quite a strain on some people. But even worse is to sacrifice to put the

>funds together and find out it doesn't work.

>

>Has anyone ever published comparisons between the two?

>

>God Bless,

>Pat

>Mom to , Jan 1998 MVA/Near Drowning

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Pat:

The success stories for the portable chambers are there. I can and will

supply you with names and numbers. They definitely have a place in the

hyperbaric field.

e

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/18/2002 10:40:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

Acreacy@... writes:

> Pat:

> The success stories for the portable chambers are there. I can and will

> supply you with names and numbers. They definitely have a place in the

> hyperbaric field.

>

>

Can only ditto this..... and then of course duck.... LOL although truly it's

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[Guest guest]

Re: Portable Mild Hyperbaric Chambers.

We have proven by the use of SPECT scans of the brain {before and after}

that the Portable Hyperbaric Chambers work very well in the treatment of

neurological conditions.

To date no one has proven by SPECT scans that they don't work.

The " experimental " stage has been done with these chambers - they pass

the test.

We are continually interested in learning more about the Portable

Chambers and will continue to research more and more.

What is important to note is that any chamber that can pass safety tests

and be approved by the FDA to be marketed as a " Hyperbaric Chamber "

because of quality craftmanship and for other reasons, is worthy of

being used and called a " Hyperbaric Chamber " .

There are some steel chambers being used in some clinics that have been

built especially by a maker of hyperbaric chambers - yet, there is no

name brand on the chamber, however, this does not make the chamber less

in quality {because of the lack of a name brand}, what makes the

difference is the safety of the chamber as the hardware, and the safety

of the chamber technician as the operator.

Some chambers - regardless of " name brands " or materials used are an

accident waiting to happen - because the equipment has not been kept up

to date and serviced well and/or because the chamber operator has not

had quality training and is therefore unprepared to deal with situations

that come up.

Regular routine inspections are a must for any chamber - " portable " or

" steel " .

For the " Portable Chambers " , from a standpoint of " safety " - they are

safe.

For the " Portable Chambers " , from a standpoint of " Value or Worth the

money " , I think it is best answered by those who can prove their benefit

by SPECT scans or other hard evidence. However, those who have such

evidence continue to say " Yes " to the monetary value of the Portable

Chambers - they have repeatedly saved peoples lives and improved the

quality of life in many.

I do not advocate exclusively in favor of the Portable Chamber but

highly suggest that the Portable Chamber shares a healthy place among

Hyperbaric Chambers.

Sadly most of the negative response regarding the Portable Chambers

comes from those who have an investment in either patients or in another

brand of hyperbaric chambers. But if we take out all the money involved

in hyperbaric medicine - from chambers to patients, then the quality and

value of each type of chamber must be evaluated on its own merits from a

standpoint of construction " safety " and from " value " to the patients who

will use the chamber. With time a true story is told of the efficacy of

all chambers - portable or steel, and of chamber operators - either

healing or lethal.

The use of oxygen with any chamber must be carefully monitored by the

chamber operators, etc, - again with the portables as well as the steel

chambers, and safety must be a deciding factor as well as the health of

the patient. There is no reason why oxygen cannot be used safely with a

portable chamber as well as with a steel chamber.

Some people don't choose to work with the Portable Chambers, would

rather have a steel chamber - fine, but this does not invalidate the

portable chambers from a standpoint of " value " . However, these are all

issues that each person must decide for themselves.

Dr. Lane

[Guest guest]

: You go girl.

e

[Guest guest]

Dear Pat,

you don't need success anecdotes anymore,

after valid scientific data has been produced.

The McGill study IS a comparison between the two.

They thought they were using a placebo, but it ended being as effective as the

tested treatment, on the relevant parameters.

Though, in my opinion, a tiny bit more oxygen may have rendered it even more

effective, for the condition.

Some patients may require slightly higher pressures/concentrations, for short

periods, but most of the chronic or long haul treatment could be done with the

bags.

Best regards.

Ignacio Fojgel, M.D.

Maimonides University,

Buenos Aires, Argentina.

patf221@... wrote:

> Dear List:

>

> Are there any success anecdotes of using the ambient air portable chambers?

> I've read the study where ambient air was used as a placebo, but I'm

> wondering has it proven itself to be a worthwhile alternative?

>

> We are still talking about anywhere from 5,000 to 25,000 for these ambient

> chambers. When there are no funds from settlements these amounts can still

> be quite a strain on some people. But even worse is to sacrifice to put the

> funds together and find out it doesn't work.

>

> Has anyone ever published comparisons between the two?

>

> God Bless,

> Pat

> Mom to , Jan 1998 MVA/Near Drowning

>

>