Re: doctors......

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I have been away from toxic premises in a toxic mold basement since September of 2002. I continue to get more and more reactive. Janet

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Janet,

Hello. I woke up Sunday with a fever blister on my lip, top tight. 2 days later, I woke up with the right side of my face swollen. Has this ever happend to you?

When I was first introduced to the mold environment in the Evidence Room, the first outward symptom was a fever blister!! I notice a couple weeks ago mold in the bathroom where I am attending college. What do you think of this?

Thanks.

Prayers,

Christa

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Christa,

Not fever blister bit pit would start with outside of ear burning on right side, then horrid pain in right sinus then face swelling and ear ache and swollen glands on right side. No one could explain why one side. I hope you feel better, and I hope I helped you some...Janet ps.you are MY inspiration now ~

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I forgot to add...ITS MOLD REACTION!!!! Janet

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Yes, unfortunately you are probably so very right!!

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You are so sweet to me, thanks!

Did a doctor ever perform a certain test on you to diagnose your swollen face? My dentist told me he thought my lymph nodes were a bit swollen. MY family doctor told me he did not feel where they were swollen, agreed that my face was swollen. Took a CBC and SED count today, should be back tomorrow. Pray for me please!!

THis is a quote for today:

"Discretion will protect you, and understanding will guard you. Wisdom will save you from the wicked ways of men. Discretion can be defined as prudence, or quality of being careful about what we say or do."

A wise woman is always a woman of discretion!!!

Thanks again.

Prayers,

Christa

off to school.

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Christa,

I have had you in my prayers since I first heard from you. Three cat scans show increased thickening in my sinus more each time. But docs here dont say much. They did say it was a sign of sinus disease. You know what I think it is. As soon as I get near mold, outside right ear burns and sinus pain AWFUL. Then the face and glands. Even when my chest fills up for an asthma attack, it is always on the right side. Everything was till this numbness in my fingers and toes showed up on the left. You ARE my inspiration now. Someone told me once here that I was theirs and I have been fighting the government and illness for so long, IM tired. I am glad you came into the group and my life. God Bless and LOTS of prayers...Love Janet

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While I agree with you that the insurance companys do not want to see people

getting better and do not want to pay for the testing.

How dare you assume that the individuals who are dissatisfied with a

particular doctor have not followed the doctors orders! After two years

there should be some improvement after following doctors orders or, since

this doctor claims to be an expert, at least some theory on why the patient

is not recovering. I applaud the individual that said doctor is

evasive. He is very evasive. And he does " talk a good game " . I for one do

not believe in bashing anyone. This web site is for mold sufferers to

exchange information. If some people believe that a particular doctor is

not performing up to standard or being direct and honest with his patients

those individuals have just as much right to share their opinion as anyone

else on this web site. If you want to complain about something complain

about the people who use this web site to advertise. The people who visit

this web site have the right to know what all the people who post here have

to share. It is up to the individuals who hear both sides of a story to

make a decision about which doctor they will choose. You come across as bad

as the insurance companies when you only want one side of something to be

heard. No one complaining about Dr. said that mold was not a cause

of illness only that they were very unhappy with this particular doctor.

Next tome don't judge anyone based on your own biased and untrue

assumptions.

>From: " aba20021313 <joma13@...> " <joma13@...>

>Reply-

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>Subject: [] doctors......

>Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:54:16 -0000

>

>Hi everyone,

>

>why is it so difficult to understand that a doctor cannot even begin

>to help anyone if you DO NOT LEAVE the contaminated premises.

>It is like some one who has cancer of the lungs and continues to

>smoke and is wondering why he is dying!

>If you do not leave the contaminated premises(you have to be sure

>with testing what molds exist in the place) you will never get well

>and will never be helped by any doctor. ALL of the doctors are using

>more or less the same methods of testing, except some are more

>specialized in for example MS like symptoms, or central nervous

>system anomalies, or respiratory problems. And I might also add that

>all of them have the same price more or less. The labs they are all

>using are superb.......immunosciences is one of them. So bitterness

>by a mold victim going in an d bashing a doctor only results in

>victory for insurance companies who do not want ANY TESTING DONE!

>But it is coming......proof is coming very soon and it is not from

>the U.S......but it will have to be examined and they do not want

>that. we have to show unity and must try our very best to get better.

>

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i don't know any doctor or insurance that willingly

pay for tests......let alone all the different testing that

a doctor may want for his environmentally ill patient.

i do not know this doctor but was told if i saw a dr. in

california that treats patients from toxic mold homes

that it would all be out of pocket and what

the general costs....it's too bad you were un-knowing

and now regret the expenses and lack of "treatment".

welcome to the world of environmental illness.

it sucks.

linda

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Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 10:48 AM

Subject: Re: [] doctors......

While I agree with you that the insurance companys do not want to see people getting better and do not want to pay for the testing.How dare you assume that the individuals who are dissatisfied with a particular doctor have not followed the doctors orders! After two years there should be some improvement after following doctors orders or, since this doctor claims to be an expert, at least some theory on why the patient is not recovering. I applaud the individual that said doctor is evasive. He is very evasive. And he does "talk a good game". I for one do not believe in bashing anyone. This web site is for mold sufferers to exchange information. If some people believe that a particular doctor is not performing up to standard or being direct and honest with his patients those individuals have just as much right to share their opinion as anyone else on this web site. If you want to complain about something complain about the people who use this web site to advertise. The people who visit this web site have the right to know what all the people who post here have to share. It is up to the individuals who hear both sides of a story to make a decision about which doctor they will choose. You come across as bad as the insurance companies when you only want one side of something to be heard. No one complaining about Dr. said that mold was not a cause of illness only that they were very unhappy with this particular doctor.Next tome don't judge anyone based on your own biased and untrue assumptions.>From: "aba20021313 <joma13@...>" <joma13@...>>Reply- > >Subject: [] doctors......>Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:54:16 -0000>>Hi everyone,>>why is it so difficult to understand that a doctor cannot even begin>to help anyone if you DO NOT LEAVE the contaminated premises.>It is like some one who has cancer of the lungs and continues to>smoke and is wondering why he is dying!>If you do not leave the contaminated premises(you have to be sure>with testing what molds exist in the place) you will never get well>and will never be helped by any doctor. ALL of the doctors are using>more or less the same methods of testing, except some are more>specialized in for example MS like symptoms, or central nervous>system anomalies, or respiratory problems. And I might also add that>all of them have the same price more or less. The labs they are all>using are superb.......immunosciences is one of them. So bitterness>by a mold victim going in an d bashing a doctor only results in>victory for insurance companies who do not want ANY TESTING DONE!>But it is coming......proof is coming very soon and it is not from>the U.S......but it will have to be examined and they do not want>that. we have to show unity and must try our very best to get better.>_________________________________________________________________STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmailFAIR USE NOTICE:This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner.

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Janet thanks so very much for the info!! I was amazed tonight at school. Guess what, I looked up at the ceiling over my desk, there is a ceiling tile covered in mold!!! The teachers office, has an entrance to it, it has mold on the ceiling tiles too. Our bathroom on that floor has mold in it on the cider block walls and all over the outside of the entrance. Why hasn't someone brought this to the schools attention? I guess the mold was waiting on me. I will let them know by way of my attorney!!! Some issues are better left to the legal authorities. I was smart, I got pictures!!

Take care and stay positive.

Prayers,

Christa

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Brad,

Thanks, that is a great idea. I did the same at my previous employer, where I was first introduced to toxic mold. However, we talked the city into doing an Air Quality Test and I did not have to use my samples. Posted under, Hey DOCS look at the mold, last week.

At this point, I believe I feel as if I had an exacerbation from this exposure!! I really do not want to bring the mold to their attention. All of us on this forum know the consequences we suffer when we bring it to authority. I spoke with my attorney and doctors today in regard to my flare up of being exposed to the mold. Feb 26, 2003 the City and I have a mediation settlement. Unfortunately for me this incident only helps to prove, that once exposed to mold, most people will continue to have exacerbation's!! I believe I will let my attorney handle this for me.

I cannot believe I was so stupid, not to see the ceiling tile above my head with the mold. I would have never, thought that 7 months later, I would be exposed again to mold. It is amazing, I am 35 and had a reaction, think what it is doing to our poor little school kids around the world. Mold has to stay in the spot light, all victims need to be noticed to end this war against mold!!!

P.S. Do you have any suggestions of things I might need to ask for in my settlement, with the city for exposure. The medical expert hired by my attorney went through 17 different catagories that we are going to suggest to the city for payment. I thought of one we had left out, Compensation exclusively to attend a detox clinic.

Thanks for your thought.

Prayers,

Christa

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You might want to take a 6" piece of scotch tape and put a 2-3" piece of it directly on the mold, tape the un-moldy parts to each other and put it in a sealed plastic bag and send it to get analyzed. This usually only costs about $50 max. It will give you a positive indication of what you are dealing with, and something to ask the school to test for, otherwise they might be able to "ignore" this specific mold, and only request results for everything else. It also helps your Dr. to diagnose and prove causation.

Brad

-----Original Message-----From: cgchrisgrav3@... [mailto:cgchrisgrav3@...]Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [] doctors......Janet thanks so very much for the info!! I was amazed tonight at school. Guess what, I looked up at the ceiling over my desk, there is a ceiling tile covered in mold!!! The teachers office, has an entrance to it, it has mold on the ceiling tiles too. Our bathroom on that floor has mold in it on the cider block walls and all over the outside of the entrance. Why hasn't someone brought this to the schools attention? I guess the mold was waiting on me. I will let them know by way of my attorney!!! Some issues are better left to the legal authorities. I was smart, I got pictures!!Take care and stay positive. Prayers,ChristaFAIR USE NOTICE:This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner.

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Christa,

Its funny, if I do leave my apartment and go in a building for a doctor or store, the first thing I do is look up. If there are tiles in an old building look at the vents..all mold. My mom laughs at me but I found this out by one day in a building, shop and save with my daughter, there was one spot I told her cant stand in as I smelled the mold and we were in front of the make up aisle. I looked up.......vent with mold around it set in ceiling tiles..I am so hypersensitive that I smell it even at low levls. And if I stay, I will go into asthma. Janet

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How about a personal Infrared Sauna?

-----Original Message-----From: cgchrisgrav3@... [mailto:cgchrisgrav3@...]Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [] doctors......Brad, Thanks, that is a great idea. I did the same at my previous employer, where I was first introduced to toxic mold. However, we talked the city into doing an Air Quality Test and I did not have to use my samples. Posted under, Hey DOCS look at the mold, last week. At this point, I believe I feel as if I had an exacerbation from this exposure!! I really do not want to bring the mold to their attention. All of us on this forum know the consequences we suffer when we bring it to authority. I spoke with my attorney and doctors today in regard to my flare up of being exposed to the mold. Feb 26, 2003 the City and I have a mediation settlement. Unfortunately for me this incident only helps to prove, that once exposed to mold, most people will continue to have exacerbation's!! I believe I will let my attorney handle this for me. I cannot believe I was so stupid, not to see the ceiling tile above my head with the mold. I would have never, thought that 7 months later, I would be exposed again to mold. It is amazing, I am 35 and had a reaction, think what it is doing to our poor little school kids around the world. Mold has to stay in the spot light, all victims need to be noticed to end this war against mold!!!P.S. Do you have any suggestions of things I might need to ask for in my settlement, with the city for exposure. The medical expert hired by my attorney went through 17 different catagories that we are going to suggest to the city for payment. I thought of one we had left out, Compensation exclusively to attend a detox clinic. Thanks for your thought.Prayers,Christa FAIR USE NOTICE:This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner.

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Brad,

Really, what the heck is it? Have you tried it?

Thanks,

Christa

[Guest guest]

Ok. I looked on the net for information, that will never fly with the city as part of my package. Great suggestion, I will ask for compensaton to have treatments of that nature!

thanks!!!!!

Christa

[Guest guest]

that;s why we "toxic mold survivors" are finding eachother

thru the internet! :-)

people can call us hysterical and whatever but i must let keith

know it's not hysteria but environmental illness and no real consensus

on disease and treatment by the medical community or the government.

that's why and the only reason why we have to take it to court.

ya know the government is made up of us...and it's other people

for unknown reasons in the government that are hysterical and

trying to push their mental illness on us.

t/c

linda

----- Original Message ----- From: Gingersnap1964@...

Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 4:46 AM

Subject: Re: [] doctors......

well said ....there arew always two sides to every story. Without it judgement should not be made. Unfortunately I am finding that IS what happens all the time. Try dealing with this illness with the Federal Government. THEY judge threaten and insult so they dont have to pay....Janet FAIR USE NOTICE:This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner.

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Apparently the far infrared sauna is much less harsh on your body, it lets you detox without increasing body temp. The toxins go from the fat cells straight out through your skin with the sweat.

-----Original Message-----From: cgchrisgrav3@... [mailto:cgchrisgrav3@...]Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 7:38 AM Subject: Re: [] doctors......Brad, Really, what the heck is it? Have you tried it?Thanks,Christa FAIR USE NOTICE:This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner.