Re: Coal miner, Sharon, and HBOT

[Guest guest]

From what I've read online, they are using hbot with the coal miner (Randall

McCloy) to treat the carbon monoxide poisoning. I KNOW he is definitely

benefiting neurologically from the hbot, but I'm afraid that when opponents

read your letter, they will lean on the carbon monoxide poisoning in that

case.

On 1/6/06, <ambroso@...> wrote:

>

> Is there any way that I can incorporate these cases of using HBOT for

> treatment of brain injury in my letter to the hospital to petition

> them for treating my son?

>

> I'm not great with words, and want to be sure that the letter I send

> is complete, accurate, and persuasive.

>

> Thanks!!

>

>

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wrote:

> Is there any way that I can incorporate these cases of using HBOT for

> treatment of brain injury in my letter to the hospital to petition

> them for treating my son?

>

> I'm not great with words, and want to be sure that the letter I send

> is complete, accurate, and persuasive.

>

> Thanks!!

>

>

>

Hey ,

I would use this high profile case, I think they are doing the hbot for

brain injury, that is my impression from reading the article. I am

attaching one article I am sure there are more on the web. I would pull

a quote from the article that supports your position and put the quote

in the letter. Use another doctors words to support your position if

possible.

Is Sharon receiving hbot? If you have an article to document that I

would use it as well in the same fashion.

Lucinda

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Mine survivor has first oxygen treatments at AGH

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06006/633623.stm

Friday, January 06, 2006

By Byron Spice, le Banks, Anita Srikameswaran and Dennis B.

Roddy, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Bill Wade, Post-Gazette

*Sago mine survivor Randal McCloy is wheeled into Allegheny General

Hospital in Pittsburgh late yesterday afternoon. *

*Online Graphic:* Treating carbon monoxide poisoning with oxygen

<http://www.post-gazette.com/popup.asp?img=/images3/20050106Hyperbaric_chamber.g\

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Allegheny General Hospital

*Allegheny General Hospital's hyperbaric chamber.*

------------------------------------------------------------------------

The only survivor of the Sago mine explosion has had two intensive

oxygen treatments at Allegheny General Hospital, and doctors are keeping

him in a drug-induced coma to rest his brain.

A team of AGH physicians this morning briefed reporters on the tratment

they have been giving Randal McCloy, 26, since he arrived at the

Pittsburgh hospital yesterday evening. Mr. McCloy was the only one of 13

miners retrieved alive from the West Virginia mine, 40 hours after an

explosion Monday.

Doctors said they have twice given Mr. McCloy treatments in a hyperbaric

chamber, which provides pure oxygen within a pressurized chamber. They

said he tolerated the treatments well and they intend to give him

several more.

But they cautioned that the benefits of the treatment will probably be

long-term, rather than immediate. His carbon monoxide levels were

already reduced at West Virginia hospitals.

Doctors said the chamber is an adjunct to the main treatment, which is

keeping his physical condition stable so his organs and brain can

recover. They said he still has multi-organ failure and is in critical

condition.

AGH doctors said it may be weeks before the extent of Mr. McCloy's

neurological problems are known.

Brain scans found swelling in the back of the brain in regions that

control sensation and possibly vision. But until a series of scans can

be taken and compared, doctors won't know if the swelling is increasing,

decreasing or staying the same, said Dr. Valeriano. Scans also

showed three, tiny, pinpoint bleeding areas toward the front of the

brain. But until doctors can talk to or at least observe Mr. McCloy out

of a coma they won't know how much damage there is. Dr.

said Mr. McCloy is being kept in a medically induced coma to help rest

his brain and keep him from removing a breathing tube.

When drug levels fall, Mr. McCloy bites down on the tube and his eyelids

flicker, but doctors said that appears to be reflexive and they can't

read too much into that. They won't know until the drugs are withdrawn

whether he will remain in a physical coma.

The first lady of West Virginia, Gayle Manchin, said six or eight of Mr.

McCloy's relatives are with his wife, , in Pittsburgh, during the

treatment. She said McCloy is realistic but optimistic. AGH doctors

said they would consult with doctors from Ruby Memorial at West Virginia

University this afternoon.

Mr. McCloy could return there over the weekend following several more

hyperbaric treatments. Dr. s Zikos said those treatments are

designed to prevent long-term neuropsychiatric problems that sometimes

have been shown to arise months after a brain injury.

Doctors today repeatedly said that Mr. McCloy's youth and good health

likely contributed significantly to his survival.

After Mr. McCloy was transferred to Pittsburgh yesterday, Dr.

said, " I am not expecting Mr. McCloy to jump up at the end of this

treatment. Complete recovery will take a long time and we plan to keep

him here until we have exhausted the benefits [of the treatment]. "

Hyperbaric chambers surround patients with pressurized oxygen. They have

been in use for decades, generally for treating people with acute carbon

monoxide poisoning or for treating deep sea divers suffering from

decompression sickness, known as " the bends. "

Other uses have been proposed for hyperbaric therapy, such as speeding

healing and helping the body fight infections.

Allegheny General's hyperbaric chamber is a clear plastic cylinder about

3 feet in diameter and long enough to accommodate an adult. Patients are

slid into place through a hatch at one end of the cylinder.

Mr. McCloy spent more than 40 hours 260 feet underground, and was likely

deprived of oxygen for a period of time no one has yet determined. A

series of tests in town indicated " mild ischemia, " meaning

inadequate oxygen.

It's not clear whether hyperbaric treatment is of help when the brain

has been deprived of oxygen.

" There are no big studies looking at that, " said Dr. O'Toole,

director of hyperbaric medicine at the University of Pittsburgh Medical

Center. " It would be my guess that they're doing it to pull out all the

stops. "

Dr. O'Toole added, " There's probably little downside to trying it. If it

helps, that's great. "

When taken to WVU, Mr. McCloy had a collapsed lung that doctors first

assumed was a result of the blast inside the mine. But Dr. Lawrence

said they found no other injuries suggesting Mr. McCloy received

the force of the blast.

He speculated that Mr. McCloy's collapsed lung could have been the

result of lying on his left side for the extended period of time he was

unconscious inside the mine. His lung had reinflated and was functioning

properly yesterday, the doctors said.

Lying in the same position for a long time also led to muscle breakdown

and the release of proteins that injured Mr. McCloy's kidneys.

Dehydration may have contributed to the problems.

Dr. noted that Mr. McCloy was not medically stable enough to

consider transporting him to Pittsburgh any sooner.

/(Staff writers Dan Majors and Cindi Lash contributed. le Banks

can be reached at gbanks@...

<mailto:gbanks@...> or 412-263-1370. Anita Srikameswaran

can be reached at anitas@...

<mailto:anitas@...> or 412-263-3858. Dennis Roddy can be

reached at droddy@... <mailto:droddy@...> or

412-263-1965.)/

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> prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you a future and a

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[Guest guest]

I read one or two news articles that stated that the miner did not have

evidence of CO poisoning, nothing present in his blood and several other

articles that stated he was receiving HBOT to treat a lack of oxygen.

(Although, I am sure the HBOT will be billed under a CO poisoning dx because

that is reimburseable.)

Thought it might help.

Judy

[ ] Coal miner, Sharon, and HBOT

Is there any way that I can incorporate these cases of using HBOT for

treatment of brain injury in my letter to the hospital to petition

them for treating my son?

I'm not great with words, and want to be sure that the letter I send

is complete, accurate, and persuasive.

Thanks!!

" I know the plans I have for you, " declares the Lord, " plans to prosper you

and not to harm you, plans to give you a future and a hope. " [

29:11]

_._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._.

Join the International Hyperbaric Medical Association

http://www.hyperbaricmedicalassociation.org/docs/JOIN_Friends_Apr04.pdf

Is HBOT at your hospital?

http://apps.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/directories/index.cfm

EPSDT decisions http://healthlaw.org/pubs/200308.epsdtdocket.html

Unrestricted downloads of 50+ pdf files on HBOT efficacy

medicaid/files/ ,

2/files/ and

http://www.drneubauerhbo.com/papers.htm

Download your state EPSDT program

http://www.hcfa.gov/medicaid/stateplan/Map.asp by doing a search on the word

" ameliorate " . State Medicaid websites

http://www.medi-cal.ca.gov/RelSites_Oth_States.asp . Medicaid waiver

programs: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/1029/medicaid.html

Find a hyperbaric clinic http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistAK-FL.htm,

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

I operate a center in N. East PA and treat brain injuries. The articles here

are also the same in the local papers, mixed about CO and brain injury. I

think they are going to finalize it as CO because, and only because it is a

covered indication with insurance. I can only suggest as I am doing, hang on

to the news paper articles stating brain injury and get as many as you can.

If every one here hangs on to these and passes them along to each other on

this list and other lists for the same cause, perhaps some day it will help

in our cause to include oxygen deprivation. I am just hoping for a recovery

for him, they should not have waited and I believe they received enough

calls etc. to have him moved to a HBOT facility which was a good move.

Regards,

Elaine

www.thejennyrosecenter.com

[ ] Coal miner, Sharon, and HBOT

Is there any way that I can incorporate these cases of using HBOT for

treatment of brain injury in my letter to the hospital to petition

them for treating my son?

I'm not great with words, and want to be sure that the letter I send

is complete, accurate, and persuasive.

Thanks!!

" I know the plans I have for you, " declares the Lord, " plans to prosper you

and not to harm you, plans to give you a future and a hope. " [

29:11]

_._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._.

Join the International Hyperbaric Medical Association

http://www.hyperbaricmedicalassociation.org/docs/JOIN_Friends_Apr04.pdf

Is HBOT at your hospital?

http://apps.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/directories/index.cfm

EPSDT decisions http://healthlaw.org/pubs/200308.epsdtdocket.html

Unrestricted downloads of 50+ pdf files on HBOT efficacy

medicaid/files/ ,

2/files/ and

http://www.drneubauerhbo.com/papers.htm

Download your state EPSDT program

http://www.hcfa.gov/medicaid/stateplan/Map.asp by doing a search on the word

" ameliorate " . State Medicaid websites

http://www.medi-cal.ca.gov/RelSites_Oth_States.asp . Medicaid waiver

programs: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/1029/medicaid.html

Find a hyperbaric clinic http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistAK-FL.htm,

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http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistOH-WI.htm

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[Guest guest]

Where CO poisoning is concerned it is important to remember that the

treatment is not isolated to the brain and therefore not strictly

considered a BRAIN INJURY THERAPY. Is BRAIN INJURY a result of CO

poisoning?....possibly and even probably..... But not strictly.

Even though most on this list are focused on the brain injuries,

remember this; as much as we want this tragedy to have a silver lining

somewhere and bring some positive attention to the benefits of

hyperbarics it isn't entirely the same thing.

Would I treat anyone with a CO poisoning with HBOT ? Absolutely, but

with a specific protocol which is different from the Brain injury

protocol.

Following the initial CO treatment the protocol would then be altered to

accommodate and focus on the possible remaining brain damage.

Although somewhat similar we are still talking apples and artichokes

here. It will not be appropriate to use this example of HBOT when

referencing most of the cases involving our children. Some may be

similar, but most will not be. We need to be careful and precise when

we present our case to the powers that be so that we can be irrefutable

in our proof and of stable basis for our demands.

Jay A Rain, DMT, CHT

Director

South Coast Hyperbaric Medicine & Wound Care Center

3 Professional Park Drive

Webster, Texas 77598

281.554.8848

" He Heals most Successfully those in which he has the most confidence " -

Galen

[ ] Coal miner, Sharon, and HBOT

Is there any way that I can incorporate these cases of using HBOT for

treatment of brain injury in my letter to the hospital to petition

them for treating my son?

I'm not great with words, and want to be sure that the letter I send

is complete, accurate, and persuasive.

Thanks!!

" I know the plans I have for you, " declares the Lord, " plans to prosper

you

and not to harm you, plans to give you a future and a hope. " [

29:11]

_._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._.

_.

Join the International Hyperbaric Medical Association

http://www.hyperbaricmedicalassociation.org/docs/JOIN_Friends_Apr04.pdf

Is HBOT at your hospital?

http://apps.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/directories/index.cfm

EPSDT decisions http://healthlaw.org/pubs/200308.epsdtdocket.html

Unrestricted downloads of 50+ pdf files on HBOT efficacy

medicaid/files/ ,

2/files/ and

http://www.drneubauerhbo.com/papers.htm

Download your state EPSDT program

http://www.hcfa.gov/medicaid/stateplan/Map.asp by doing a search on the

word

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programs: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/1029/medicaid.html

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[Guest guest]

On this; it has been shown that although the common diagnostic for CO

poisoning is the carboxy-hemoglobin levels...there is not always a

direct correlation. If the tissue was affected for long enough and then

the CO level reduced where the blood level has improved (or washed) the

tissue may still have residual damage and therefore benefit at a

cellular level.

This topic has been an argument for years in the HBOT field with how and

how many HBOT does it take and is it beneficial.

Some of the major insurance groups are now altering their coverage of CO

poisoning and calling it EXPERIMENTAL again to establish a basis for

refusal of payment.

Anyone in the hospitals seen this happen yet ?

Funny how they can call it " indicated " and then reverse their position

to " experimental " !?!

Jay A Rain, DMT, CHT

Director

South Coast Hyperbaric Medicine & Wound Care Center

3 Professional Park Drive

Webster, Texas 77598

281.554.8848

" He Heals most Successfully those in which he has the most confidence " -

Galen

[ ] Coal miner, Sharon, and HBOT

Is there any way that I can incorporate these cases of using HBOT for

treatment of brain injury in my letter to the hospital to petition

them for treating my son?

I'm not great with words, and want to be sure that the letter I send

is complete, accurate, and persuasive.

Thanks!!

" I know the plans I have for you, " declares the Lord, " plans to prosper

you

and not to harm you, plans to give you a future and a hope. " [

29:11]

_._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._.

_.

Join the International Hyperbaric Medical Association

http://www.hyperbaricmedicalassociation.org/docs/JOIN_Friends_Apr04.pdf

Is HBOT at your hospital?

http://apps.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/directories/index.cfm

EPSDT decisions http://healthlaw.org/pubs/200308.epsdtdocket.html

Unrestricted downloads of 50+ pdf files on HBOT efficacy

medicaid/files/ ,

2/files/ and

http://www.drneubauerhbo.com/papers.htm

Download your state EPSDT program

http://www.hcfa.gov/medicaid/stateplan/Map.asp by doing a search on the

word

" ameliorate " . State Medicaid websites

http://www.medi-cal.ca.gov/RelSites_Oth_States.asp . Medicaid waiver

programs: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/1029/medicaid.html

Find a hyperbaric clinic http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistAK-FL.htm,

http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistGA-NC.htm,

http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistOH-WI.htm

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[Guest guest]

It seems to me as an outsider that unfortunately the American people have

got the medical and health care system they have allowed to happen. Seems

to me as though another revolution is needed. To me the idea of an

insurance company deciding or determining what medical treatment |I can have

is outrageous. It is a fact that HBOT for MS and CP is not (yet) available

on the UK National Health service but this has nothing to do with insurance

companies. That has not prevented the establishment of privately run

charities which are fully insured to provide HBOT for people with CP and MS.

I was chatting to a guy from Portland Oregon at a Christmas party and it

turned to " what if " scenarios. He said " if there had not been a revolution

we would have a national health service and cops without guns. " An

interesting point of view I thought but then it was Christmas and it had

been a long evening with a lot of strong Punch.

Yours

[ ] Coal miner, Sharon, and HBOT

>

> Is there any way that I can incorporate these cases of using HBOT for

> treatment of brain injury in my letter to the hospital to petition

> them for treating my son?

>

> I'm not great with words, and want to be sure that the letter I send

> is complete, accurate, and persuasive.

>

> Thanks!!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> " I know the plans I have for you, " declares the Lord, " plans to prosper

> you

> and not to harm you, plans to give you a future and a hope. " [

> 29:11]

> _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._.

> _.

> Join the International Hyperbaric Medical Association

> http://www.hyperbaricmedicalassociation.org/docs/JOIN_Friends_Apr04.pdf

>

> Is HBOT at your hospital?

> http://apps.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/directories/index.cfm

>

> EPSDT decisions http://healthlaw.org/pubs/200308.epsdtdocket.html

>

> Unrestricted downloads of 50+ pdf files on HBOT efficacy

> medicaid/files/ ,

> 2/files/ and

> http://www.drneubauerhbo.com/papers.htm

>

> Download your state EPSDT program

> http://www.hcfa.gov/medicaid/stateplan/Map.asp by doing a search on the

> word

> " ameliorate " . State Medicaid websites

> http://www.medi-cal.ca.gov/RelSites_Oth_States.asp . Medicaid waiver

> programs: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/1029/medicaid.html

>

> Find a hyperbaric clinic http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistAK-FL.htm,

> http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistGA-NC.htm,

> http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistOH-WI.htm

>

> HBOT can save billions of dollars and millions of heartaches. Subscribe

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