Guest guest Posted September 19, 2003 Report Share Posted September 19, 2003 , It hurts nothing to try. Everyone is different. I just couldnt afford it even if I liked it. I dont like the smell of ozone and it makes my chest tight. This was just in a small office. Maybe for you it would work where it seems your house is a swimming pool. ~ I use five hepa filter aircleaners. Three have odor rings as I am Multiple Chemical Sensitive now. I wish you luck and od Bless, Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2003 Report Share Posted September 19, 2003 , By the way, I got sick in agovernment building and it is a horror story on how I am treated and Workmens Comp. I KNOW how the government works. They use this stuff for bio warfare. They need moon suits and resoirator quals to go down into the basement I worked in now, BUT the government says, I CANNOT BE SICK FROM IT! Ill show you a picture. Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2003 Report Share Posted September 19, 2003 That's what I think too. There is a chance that I may be able to borrow an industrial ozone machine from a friend of a friend... I'll definately post any results that I get - good or bad. I haven't looked into the air cleaners yet, I have a HEPA filter on my vaccuum and that has done a great job with my cats - even allergic people can be in my house for a short time. > , > It hurts nothing to try. Everyone is different. I just couldnt afford it > even if I liked it. I dont like the smell of ozone and it makes my chest tight. > This was just in a small office. Maybe for you it would work where it seems > your house is a swimming pool. ~ I use five hepa filter aircleaners. Three > have odor rings as I am Multiple Chemical Sensitive now. I wish you luck and od > Bless, > Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2003 Report Share Posted September 19, 2003 The debate over ozone is so contentious that it's impossible to make a decision about whether it is likely to work based on what you read or hear. My recommendation is to NOT take anybodies word for it and find out for yourself. Find a place that feels " safe " to do this experiment. Make sure you feel good and are not reacting to anything in the safe room. Bring a contaminated object into the room and make sure you have established a definite change in how you feel based on the presence of that object. Ozone the living crap out of it. (Don't breath the ozone unless you want to lose more lung function - again, you don't have to take anybodies word for this. You can probably feel pretty quickly that ozone may not be the best thing to breathe) See if it made any difference. If not remove the contaminated object and see if the place reverts to feeling good the way it did before you brought in the object. Now you know. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2003 Report Share Posted September 19, 2003 Are you trying to INJURE this person. YOu are crazy making a statement like that. Too many government publications, health publications are warning about 03 and you are the one who is telling a person go and try it. What next...bloodletting? On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, erik_johnson_96140 wrote: > Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:06:54 -0000 > From: erik_johnson_96140 <erikj6@...> > Reply- > > Subject: [] Re: ozone and mold > > The debate over ozone is so contentious that it's impossible to make a > decision about whether it is likely to work based on what you read or > hear. > My recommendation is to NOT take anybodies word for it and find out > for yourself. > Find a place that feels " safe " to do this experiment. > Make sure you feel good and are not reacting to anything in the safe > room. Bring a contaminated object into the room and make sure you > have established a definite change in how you feel based on the > presence of that object. > Ozone the living crap out of it. (Don't breath the ozone unless you > want to lose more lung function - again, you don't have to take > anybodies word for this. You can probably feel pretty quickly that > ozone may not be the best thing to breathe) > See if it made any difference. If not remove the contaminated object > and see if the place reverts to feeling good the way it did before you > brought in the object. > Now you know. > - > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2003 Report Share Posted September 19, 2003 The resaon why her chest hurt is that 03 is a REPSIRATORY IRRITANT! An industrial strength machine is too dangerous for anyone to go into a buidling after it has been running, with out any protection, especially someone like yourself. Have it done by a professional who knows how to handle the IAQ. No one on this list who isn't a sales MORON for 03 machines would endorse their use for personal use or to ozoniate a home without professional intervention. I know the dangers of 03...I was given it to me as an alternative to not requiring my fellow med students to not were fragrances. The machine in the classroom caused pulmonary edema, and I literally lost my voice for 3 weeks and they were not sure I was goig to get it back...which I eventually did. YOu think you are sick now...meet the monster called 03! Angel On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, wrote: > Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:57:05 -0000 > From: <michelle@...> > Reply- > > Subject: [] Re: ozone and mold > > That's what I think too. There is a chance that I may be able to > borrow an industrial ozone machine from a friend of a friend... I'll > definately post any results that I get - good or bad. > > I haven't looked into the air cleaners yet, I have a HEPA filter on > my vaccuum and that has done a great job with my cats - even > allergic people can be in my house for a short time. > > > > > > , > > It hurts nothing to try. Everyone is different. I just couldnt > afford it > > even if I liked it. I dont like the smell of ozone and it makes my > chest tight. > > This was just in a small office. Maybe for you it would work where > it seems > > your house is a swimming pool. ~ I use five hepa filter > aircleaners. Three > > have odor rings as I am Multiple Chemical Sensitive now. I wish > you luck and od > > Bless, > > Janet > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2003 Report Share Posted September 19, 2003 Michele... i am NOT an advocate of Uncle Sam...far from it...remember chem illness is all in our heads *wink* But I know 03...and I doubt you are the type to be fooled by MLM scams...meet the pyramid of air cleaners..03/Alpine/living Air.... On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, wrote: > Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:41:56 -0000 > From: <michelle@...> > Reply- > > Subject: [] ozone and mold > > Though I am just starting to research the mold problems in my house > and possible solutions this post bothered me. > > The government says what it wants and does what it wants. There are > plenty of 'studies' by the government that say mold is NOT a problem > and that it is can not make people sick. Everyone here knows > different. > > Perhaps ozone works, perhaps it doesn't. I don't trust one SINGLE > thing any government organization says or does. The government looks > out for only one thing - the government. Espeically in areas that > are not 'popular' and recognizing mold as a health hazard is > DEFINATELY not popular! > > Most likely, I will be buying an ozone machine and trying it for a > few weeks. If it makes a difference I will know immediatly - it only > takes 48 hours for my symptoms to fade. If it does not I will be > returning the machine. It can't hurt to try it out. > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 9/16/03 9:36:04 AM Central Daylight Time, > > > > writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > michelle@m... > > > > > > > > Plumb the sewer line to vent exterior to the house.... > > > > Then assume your house had been a swimming pool and the lower > > > ground was > > > > saturated... causing excess humidity..... install a > dehumidifier > > > in the > > > > basement.... get the humidity down. > > > > > > > > The next advice will cause a real stir in this discussion... > use > > > an ozone > > > > machine in the basement unit you it smells like a spa... do not > > > occupy this area > > > > for any length of time, but you can reenter anytime the > machine is > > > off for 45 > > > > to 60 minutes. > > > > > > > > Use an ionizer to settle dust... as well as any mold spores. > > > > > > > > Replenish ozone through out the house at levels below .04 PPM. > > > > > > > > Then wonder why you would ever want to move. > > > > > > > > Do not USE BLEACH in basements without good air flow..... but > one > > > could have > > > > dumped bleach in the flood water when the pipes broke. > > > > > > > > Upper walls must remain dry with cellulose in them. Be sure > > > exterior does > > > > not leak and allow water to infiltrate the walls. > > > > > > > > Good. luck..... > > > > > > > > Eng. in Missouri.... > > > > > > > > P.S. for those who will immediately criticize using ozone, > Ozone > > > half life > > > > is less than 15 minutes.... Tight homes have no live ozone an > hour > > > opening > > > > then closing the windows. Low levels of ozone does amazing > > > things. High > > > > levels will kill mold but humans should not remain in the area. > > > Research and > > > > study what ozone does when constantly reintroduced indoors > > > below .05 PPM. I first > > > > did the bread mold tests and then used commercial culture > dishes > > > to > > > > confirm.... and our son with asthma now living better in a home > > > with an ozone machine. > > > > The exact opposite of the American Lung Asso... and the > > > professional asthma > > > > people. They only comment ozone is bad..... it is bad at > high > > > levels, but > > > > aspirin is also bad at high levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > > > > This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not > always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are > making such material available in our efforts to advance > understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, > democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe > this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as > provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance > with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is > distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior > interest in receiving the included information for research and > educational purposes. For more information go to: > http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use > copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go > beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright > owner. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2003 Report Share Posted September 19, 2003 YOu need to join the IAQ PROFESSIONALS LIST...and learn from the experts...not sales people IAQ Anyone can join...ask questions get the facts then decide! <b><u>IMPORTANT LINK FOR THE WEEK:</u></b><BR><BR> <b><A HREF= " http://iaq.iuoe.org/iaq_htmlcode/iaq_new.html " >IAQ NEWS</A></b><BR> Continuing education on IAQ issues and implementation of IAQ practices should become a part of the stationary engineer's work day. This site is designed to take you beyond the IUOE course, Stationary Engineers - The Indoor Air Quality Solution, to provide you with up-to-date information about IAQ news. This may include coverage of recommended practices, new equipment, litigation, and resources available to the stationary engineer.<BR><BR> URL: <A On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, wrote: > Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:41:56 -0000 > From: <michelle@...> > Reply- > > Subject: [] ozone and mold > > Though I am just starting to research the mold problems in my house > and possible solutions this post bothered me. > > The government says what it wants and does what it wants. There are > plenty of 'studies' by the government that say mold is NOT a problem > and that it is can not make people sick. Everyone here knows > different. > > Perhaps ozone works, perhaps it doesn't. I don't trust one SINGLE > thing any government organization says or does. The government looks > out for only one thing - the government. Espeically in areas that > are not 'popular' and recognizing mold as a health hazard is > DEFINATELY not popular! > > Most likely, I will be buying an ozone machine and trying it for a > few weeks. If it makes a difference I will know immediatly - it only > takes 48 hours for my symptoms to fade. If it does not I will be > returning the machine. It can't hurt to try it out. > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 9/16/03 9:36:04 AM Central Daylight Time, > > > > writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > michelle@m... > > > > > > > > Plumb the sewer line to vent exterior to the house.... > > > > Then assume your house had been a swimming pool and the lower > > > ground was > > > > saturated... causing excess humidity..... install a > dehumidifier > > > in the > > > > basement.... get the humidity down. > > > > > > > > The next advice will cause a real stir in this discussion... > use > > > an ozone > > > > machine in the basement unit you it smells like a spa... do not > > > occupy this area > > > > for any length of time, but you can reenter anytime the > machine is > > > off for 45 > > > > to 60 minutes. > > > > > > > > Use an ionizer to settle dust... as well as any mold spores. > > > > > > > > Replenish ozone through out the house at levels below .04 PPM. > > > > > > > > Then wonder why you would ever want to move. > > > > > > > > Do not USE BLEACH in basements without good air flow..... but > one > > > could have > > > > dumped bleach in the flood water when the pipes broke. > > > > > > > > Upper walls must remain dry with cellulose in them. Be sure > > > exterior does > > > > not leak and allow water to infiltrate the walls. > > > > > > > > Good. luck..... > > > > > > > > Eng. in Missouri.... > > > > > > > > P.S. for those who will immediately criticize using ozone, > Ozone > > > half life > > > > is less than 15 minutes.... Tight homes have no live ozone an > hour > > > opening > > > > then closing the windows. Low levels of ozone does amazing > > > things. High > > > > levels will kill mold but humans should not remain in the area. > > > Research and > > > > study what ozone does when constantly reintroduced indoors > > > below .05 PPM. I first > > > > did the bread mold tests and then used commercial culture > dishes > > > to > > > > confirm.... and our son with asthma now living better in a home > > > with an ozone machine. > > > > The exact opposite of the American Lung Asso... and the > > > professional asthma > > > > people. They only comment ozone is bad..... it is bad at > high > > > levels, but > > > > aspirin is also bad at high levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > > > > This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not > always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are > making such material available in our efforts to advance > understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, > democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe > this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as > provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance > with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is > distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior > interest in receiving the included information for research and > educational purposes. For more information go to: > http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use > copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go > beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright > owner. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2003 Report Share Posted September 20, 2003 >Are you trying to INJURE this person. >YOu are crazy making a statement like that. I agree with your sentiment but I believe my statement was " Don't breathe the ozone unless you want to lose more lung function " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 Thank you Carl, I appreciate the explanation which is really what I needed and if I need further docs I will look where you suggested. Thanks.  Many homes in my area were remediated with ozone. MANY.  Many people are just realizing they are ill. The numbers are growing. Since the hurricanes of 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008,    God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen ________________________________ From: Carl Grimes <grimes@...> Sent: Thu, April 29, 2010 6:19:40 PM Subject: Re: [] Ozone and Mold  Mayleen, You don't really need such citations because the terminology and word useage needs correction instead. 1. Ozone does not remediate mold. Only removal is remediation. Ozone may kill some of the mold spores but usually not all of them. It can't penetrate a layer of mold growth to get to the underlying layers, for example. 2. Killing mold does not stop the health effects. So ozone does virtually nothing. 3. Ozone does not effect the other parts of the cell wall of the mold spore or mold hyphae. 4. Mold must first be removed before other actions should take place. EPA, ACGIH, AIHA, ANSI-IICRC S520, NYC Dept of Health. 5. Ozone can dry out and fragment the spore and hyphae creating ultra-fine particles which go lower into the lung, accumulate on the bronchial branching, and begin to act as much like chemicals as particles. 6. Ozone does not stop the source of moisture. With moisture continuing mold will grow in the same area. Even if ozone did kill all the mold and even if dead mold were safe, new mold spores which is always in the air everywhere all the time will settle on the same spot and grow because it is still damp. 7. Ozone is bad for people. 8. Ozone reacts with other chemicals which are ubiquitous to form new forms of chemicals, some of which are worse than mold or ozone plus new byproducts which can persist for weeks. 9. Check the EPA and California Air Resources Board for free authoritative documents. And, oh by the way speaking of California, most all ozonators are illegal in California. For a very good reason. One of which was recently Federally indicted for unsubstantiated claims and refusal to respond to official demands. Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 Thank you for your explanation as well.    God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen ________________________________ From: Connie <connie@...> Sent: Thu, April 29, 2010 6:56:20 PM Subject: [] Re: Ozone and Mold  Very high concentrations of ozone are required to kill mold. The ozone will first react with other organic materials that are more readily oxidized (rubber materials, short chain hydrocarbons, smoke and other by-products of incomplete combustion). I have had cases in which the ozone created toxic intermediaries due to reaction with common household cleaners. Connie Morbach Sanit-Air, Inc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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