Re: Re: Digest Number 1737

September 17, 2003

,

This person might be able to help you. I dont think hed mind I gave you his email. His machines sound good, I just can't afford one.

Janet

imafc1@...

September 19, 2003

I guess the Federal TradeCommissions lawsuit about the ineffectiveness of

OZONE generators was a farce?

AT levels of .04ppm it does nothing. There has yet to be any QUALFIED

scientific research on its efficacy, there so called scientific studies

has been called suspect.

Before you start rambling on about their safety/efficacy etc., why not

see all the REAL science. But then again you are a sales rep...you are

given the sales talk.

You are aware that you can be reported to the FTC for what you are

promoting/claiming it does? Trust me, I have reported a large number of

their little gofers...

You are aware that ALPINE and BILL CONVERSE figured that they were getting

sued so much they divided the company into 2 sperate corporations sales

and manufacturing. This way when the fools oops, I mean sales rep make

unsubstanial claims they

were free and clear from any litigation!

Stop lying and try selling HEPA at least those work!

Angel..*emailing FTC..another one will bite the dust*

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, wrote:

> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:55:45 -0000

> From: <michelle@...>

> Reply-

>

> Subject: [] Re: Digest Number 1737

>

> Where would I get an ozone machine? How much do they cost and how

> much do they cost to run?

>

> If I ran one in the basement, would it harm my pets? They go down

> there frequently.

>

> > In a message dated 9/16/03 9:36:04 AM Central Daylight Time,

> > writes:

> >

> > > michelle@m...

> >

> > Plumb the sewer line to vent exterior to the house....

> > Then assume your house had been a swimming pool and the lower

> ground was

> > saturated... causing excess humidity..... install a dehumidifier

> in the

> > basement.... get the humidity down.

> >

> > The next advice will cause a real stir in this discussion... use

> an ozone

> > machine in the basement unit you it smells like a spa... do not

> occupy this area

> > for any length of time, but you can reenter anytime the machine is

> off for 45

> > to 60 minutes.

> >

> > Use an ionizer to settle dust... as well as any mold spores.

> >

> > Replenish ozone through out the house at levels below .04 PPM.

> >

> > Then wonder why you would ever want to move.

> >

> > Do not USE BLEACH in basements without good air flow..... but one

> could have

> > dumped bleach in the flood water when the pipes broke.

> >

> > Upper walls must remain dry with cellulose in them. Be sure

> exterior does

> > not leak and allow water to infiltrate the walls.

> >

> > Good. luck.....

> >

> > Eng. in Missouri....

> >

> > P.S. for those who will immediately criticize using ozone, Ozone

> half life

> > is less than 15 minutes.... Tight homes have no live ozone an hour

> opening

> > then closing the windows. Low levels of ozone does amazing

> things. High

> > levels will kill mold but humans should not remain in the area.

> Research and

> > study what ozone does when constantly reintroduced indoors

> below .05 PPM. I first

> > did the bread mold tests and then used commercial culture dishes

> to

> > confirm.... and our son with asthma now living better in a home

> with an ozone machine.

> > The exact opposite of the American Lung Asso... and the

> professional asthma

> > people. They only comment ozone is bad..... it is bad at high

> levels, but

> > aspirin is also bad at high levels.

>

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September 19, 2003

Angel,

I have five Hepa filter aircleaners in my condo. They make the air smell clean. I dont like the smell of ozone and it makes my chest tight.

Just my two cents.

Janet

September 19, 2003

When ever I talk about people selling their useless wares, disguised as

scientific information, I get hate mail from the MLMers for weeks. I

thought that I was the only one bothered by this.

--

E. s

Registered Massage Therapist

Macrobiotic Counselor

Reiki Practitioner

Professional Speaker

>

> I guess the Federal TradeCommissions lawsuit about the ineffectiveness of

> OZONE generators was a farce?

>

> AT levels of .04ppm it does nothing. There has yet to be any QUALFIED

> scientific research on its efficacy, there so called scientific studies

> has been called suspect.

>

> Before you start rambling on about their safety/efficacy etc., why not

> see all the REAL science. But then again you are a sales rep...you are

> given the sales talk.

>

> You are aware that you can be reported to the FTC for what you are

> promoting/claiming it does? Trust me, I have reported a large number of

> their little gofers...

>

> You are aware that ALPINE and BILL CONVERSE figured that they were getting

> sued so much they divided the company into 2 sperate corporations sales

> and manufacturing. This way when the fools oops, I mean sales rep

> make unsubstanial claims they

> were free and clear from any litigation!

>

> Stop lying and try selling HEPA at least those work!

>

> Angel..*emailing FTC..another one will bite the dust*

September 19, 2003

03 reps remind me of the Pied Piper...they are motovated by the thoguht of

commissions...I have letter form drs, veteranians who were DUPED and it

casued major health incidents over fools promoting health efficacy.

Uneducated sales reps are following their music *sales pitch*

DOnald....you can turn blue in the face trying to explain to people that

if 03 is so safe...why are there air quality warnings about 03 levels in

the air???????

AS PT Barnum said..there's a fool/sucker born every minute. But

unfortunatley the ones who are DESPERATELY trying to help themselves are

falling prey to SNAKE OIL Hackers!

Angel

On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, E. s wrote:

> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:00:41 -0500

> From: E. s <donald.jacobs6@...>

> Reply-

>

> Subject: Re: [] Re: Digest Number 1737

>

> When ever I talk about people selling their useless wares, disguised as

> scientific information, I get hate mail from the MLMers for weeks. I

> thought that I was the only one bothered by this.

> --

> E. s

> Registered Massage Therapist

> Macrobiotic Counselor

> Reiki Practitioner

> Professional Speaker

>

> >

> > I guess the Federal TradeCommissions lawsuit about the ineffectiveness of

> > OZONE generators was a farce?

> >

> > AT levels of .04ppm it does nothing. There has yet to be any QUALFIED

> > scientific research on its efficacy, there so called scientific studies

> > has been called suspect.

> >

> > Before you start rambling on about their safety/efficacy etc., why not

> > see all the REAL science. But then again you are a sales rep...you are

> > given the sales talk.

> >

> > You are aware that you can be reported to the FTC for what you are

> > promoting/claiming it does? Trust me, I have reported a large number of

> > their little gofers...

> >

> > You are aware that ALPINE and BILL CONVERSE figured that they were getting

> > sued so much they divided the company into 2 sperate corporations sales

> > and manufacturing. This way when the fools oops, I mean sales rep

> > make unsubstanial claims they

> > were free and clear from any litigation!

> >

> > Stop lying and try selling HEPA at least those work!

> >

> > Angel..*emailing FTC..another one will bite the dust*