Re: http://www.TomFoxIsAlsoADamnLiar.com

April 25, 2008

Well if this isn't the reason why he moved to Canada it'll be the reason why he

stays in Canada. I guess. Does this break FDA law? Is this a criminal act?

> From NeuroHBOT/message/14884

>

>Subject: The soft chamber facts

>

>I have been in the hyperbaric field for twenty years, the thing that has

>always impressed me even with in fighting. Multiplace versus Monoplace,

>hospital

>based versus free standing, there has been a perception of honor and a

>underlying respect. There was an appreciation of the hyperbaric

>environment,

>for

>what it could do and what it is capable of doing.

>

>Most recently there has arisen a " soft hyperbaric industry, whose

>governing

>tenants are deceit, misinformation ,ignorance of established safety

>codes

>governing pressure vessels for human occupancy and lack of respect

>for the

>potential harm that can result with the cavalier use of this treatment

>modality.

>On at least two separate occasions the devices have failed with

>potentially

>catastrophic results. One resulted in the destruction of the interior

>of a

>clinic, the other a release of a flange landing at the feet of UHMS

>representatives in San Francisco. On two separate occasions, there

>have been

>incidences

>involving smoke in the soft units. On one occasion a member of the

>largest

>distributor of these soft units attempted to demonstrate that the

>units where

>so safe you could even smoke in them, almost to his detriment. The other

>incident occurring in Florida last fall involving a failure that

>cause smoke to

>enter the chamber under pressure. The result was that the child had

>to be

>treated in a full pressure for smoke inhalation. This event is still

>awaiting

>explanation, so that the circumstances surrounding this failure can

>be avoided

>in the future.

>

>Those representing the soft units would have you believe that we are

>trying

>to prevent children from receiving treatments. Those that are

>critical of

>these soft unit out of respect for safety for your children. Design

>inadequacies and failures have yet to be tested as required by the

>ASME- PVHO.

>We,

>who are critical take this stance to prevent injury of those entering

>these

>soft units. Are the materials used in the production of these soft

> " chambers "

>capable with an oxygen enriched environment? Why is the oxygen being

>supplemented? (in contradiction to manufacturer's labeling) Is the

>inclusion of

>non

>approved devices into the " chamber " a hazard? Is offgasing a problem?

>The

>list of questions goes on and on. Many of us provide safe treatments

>at great

>personal sacrifice.

>

>There is a another list Medicaid for HBOT that has made the claim that I

>have modified soft chamber to make them capable of pressurizing to

>beyond

>design pressure. This is not true, nor will it ever be true. As one

>chiropracter

>from southern California found from trying to modify his soft

>chamber, the

>destructive capabilities of such a modification were catastrophic.

>

>I have chosen to make this response as the Medicaid for HBOT list

>uses its

>forum not for open exchange of ideas, but as a one way forum to promote

>misinformation and ensure the sale of Oxyhealth Chambers.

>

>Eventually the soft chambers may have a place in the delivery

>therapeutic

>oxygen treatment under pressure, this can not happen as long as there

>is total

>disregard for safety and the American Society of Mechanical Engineers

>codes

>for Pressure Vessels for Human Occupancy. As a parent of children

>with special

>needs, we assume manufacturers and distributor of equipment for use

>of our

>children, place safety first. It is ashamed that soft chamber

>manufactuers

>don't assume this obligation.

>

>Thank you for your indulgence. The safety of our children is not

>negotiable.

>

>Best regards,

>Tom Fox

April 25, 2008

AMAZING.. he sure has a few enemies!!

HAAAAAAAAA!

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for those who believe!

For all we know, our blessings are not the fruits of our prayers alone,

but those of another praying for us.

And.....

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Marguerite...

In a message dated 4/25/2008 9:14:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

darin_bryant@... writes:

_http://www.TomFoxIshttp://www.Tomhtt_

(http://www.tomfoxisalsoadamnliar.com/)

Type in this adress and take a look at what pop's up. This was a post I

recieved this morning.

O Paker <_oparker@..._ (mailto:oparker@...) > wrote:

Hi Darin

Saw what? What did I miss? There has been so much " bickering " I stopped

paying attention.

Darin wrote:

>

> That is nothing short of amazeing. Two liars now Tom. I laughed

> my but off when I saw that. I got a hand it to ya. You have a way of

> getting your information. You go boy.

> Darin

>

> Freels <_dfreels@..._ (mailto:dfreels@...)

> <mailto:dfreels%mailto:dfreelmai>> wrote:

> From _http://groups.http://grohttp://groups.<Whttp://groups_

(NeuroHBOT/message/14884)

> <_http://groups.http://grohttp://groups.<Whttp://groups_

(NeuroHBOT/message/14884) >

>

> Subject: The soft chamber facts

>

> I have been in the hyperbaric field for twenty years, the thing that has

> always impressed me even with in fighting. Multiplace versus Monoplace,

> hospital

> based versus free standing, there has been a perception of honor and a

> underlying respect. There was an appreciation of the hyperbaric

> environment,

> for

> what it could do and what it is capable of doing.

>

> Most recently there has arisen a " soft hyperbaric industry, whose

> governing

> tenants are deceit, misinformation ,ignorance of established safety

> codes

> governing pressure vessels for human occupancy and lack of respect

> for the

> potential harm that can result with the cavalier use of this treatment

> modality.

> On at least two separate occasions the devices have failed with

> potentially

> catastrophic results. One resulted in the destruction of the interior

> of a

> clinic, the other a release of a flange landing at the feet of UHMS

> representatives in San Francisco. On two separate occasions, there

> have been

> incidences

> involving smoke in the soft units. On one occasion a member of the

> largest

> distributor of these soft units attempted to demonstrate that the

> units where

> so safe you could even smoke in them, almost to his detriment. The other

> incident occurring in Florida last fall involving a failure that

> cause smoke to

> enter the chamber under pressure. The result was that the child had

> to be

> treated in a full pressure for smoke inhalation. This event is still

> awaiting

> explanation, so that the circumstances surrounding this failure can

> be avoided

> in the future.

>

> Those representing the soft units would have you believe that we are

> trying

> to prevent children from receiving treatments. Those that are

> critical of

> these soft unit out of respect for safety for your children. Design

> inadequacies and failures have yet to be tested as required by the

> ASME- PVHO.

> We,

> who are critical take this stance to prevent injury of those entering

> these

> soft units. Are the materials used in the production of these soft

> " chambers "

> capable with an oxygen enriched environment? Why is the oxygen being

> supplemented? (in contradiction to manufacturer' supplemented? (in

> inclusion of

> non

> approved devices into the " chamber " a hazard? Is offgasing a problem?

> The

> list of questions goes on and on. Many of us provide safe treatments

> at great

> personal sacrifice.

>

> There is a another list Medicaid for HBOT that has made the claim that I

> have modified soft chamber to make them capable of pressurizing to

> beyond

> design pressure. This is not true, nor will it ever be true. As one

> chiropracter

> from southern California found from trying to modify his soft

> chamber, the

> destructive capabilities of such a modification were catastrophic.

>

> I have chosen to make this response as the Medicaid for HBOT list

> uses its

> forum not for open exchange of ideas, but as a one way forum to promote

> misinformation and ensure the sale of Oxyhealth Chambers.

>

> Eventually the soft chambers may have a place in the delivery

> therapeutic

> oxygen treatment under pressure, this can not happen as long as there

> is total

> disregard for safety and the American Society of Mechanical Engineers

> codes

> for Pressure Vessels for Human Occupancy. As a parent of children

> with special

> needs, we assume manufacturers and distributor of equipment for use

> of our

> children, place safety first. It is ashamed that soft chamber

> manufactuers

> don't assume this obligation.

>

> Thank you for your indulgence. The safety of our children is not

> negotiable.

>

> Best regards,

> Tom Fox

>

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April 25, 2008

That is nothing short of amazeing. Two liars now Tom. I laughed my but

off when I saw that. I got a hand it to ya. You have a way of getting your

information. You go boy.

Darin

Freels <dfreels@...> wrote:

From NeuroHBOT/message/14884

Subject: The soft chamber facts

I have been in the hyperbaric field for twenty years, the thing that has

always impressed me even with in fighting. Multiplace versus Monoplace,

hospital

based versus free standing, there has been a perception of honor and a

underlying respect. There was an appreciation of the hyperbaric

environment,

for

what it could do and what it is capable of doing.

Most recently there has arisen a " soft hyperbaric industry, whose

governing

tenants are deceit, misinformation ,ignorance of established safety

codes

governing pressure vessels for human occupancy and lack of respect

for the

potential harm that can result with the cavalier use of this treatment

modality.

On at least two separate occasions the devices have failed with

potentially

catastrophic results. One resulted in the destruction of the interior

of a

clinic, the other a release of a flange landing at the feet of UHMS

representatives in San Francisco. On two separate occasions, there

have been

incidences

involving smoke in the soft units. On one occasion a member of the

largest

distributor of these soft units attempted to demonstrate that the

units where

so safe you could even smoke in them, almost to his detriment. The other

incident occurring in Florida last fall involving a failure that

cause smoke to

enter the chamber under pressure. The result was that the child had

to be

treated in a full pressure for smoke inhalation. This event is still

awaiting

explanation, so that the circumstances surrounding this failure can

be avoided

in the future.

Those representing the soft units would have you believe that we are

trying

to prevent children from receiving treatments. Those that are

critical of

these soft unit out of respect for safety for your children. Design

inadequacies and failures have yet to be tested as required by the

ASME- PVHO.

We,

who are critical take this stance to prevent injury of those entering

these

soft units. Are the materials used in the production of these soft

" chambers "

capable with an oxygen enriched environment? Why is the oxygen being

supplemented? (in contradiction to manufacturer's labeling) Is the

inclusion of

non

approved devices into the " chamber " a hazard? Is offgasing a problem?

The

list of questions goes on and on. Many of us provide safe treatments

at great

personal sacrifice.

There is a another list Medicaid for HBOT that has made the claim that I

have modified soft chamber to make them capable of pressurizing to

beyond

design pressure. This is not true, nor will it ever be true. As one

chiropracter

from southern California found from trying to modify his soft

chamber, the

destructive capabilities of such a modification were catastrophic.

I have chosen to make this response as the Medicaid for HBOT list

uses its

forum not for open exchange of ideas, but as a one way forum to promote

misinformation and ensure the sale of Oxyhealth Chambers.

Eventually the soft chambers may have a place in the delivery

therapeutic

oxygen treatment under pressure, this can not happen as long as there

is total

disregard for safety and the American Society of Mechanical Engineers

codes

for Pressure Vessels for Human Occupancy. As a parent of children

with special

needs, we assume manufacturers and distributor of equipment for use

of our

children, place safety first. It is ashamed that soft chamber

manufactuers

don't assume this obligation.

Thank you for your indulgence. The safety of our children is not

negotiable.

Best regards,

Tom Fox

April 25, 2008

Hi Darin

Saw what? What did I miss? There has been so much " bickering " I stopped

paying attention.

Darin wrote:

>

> That is nothing short of amazeing. Two liars now Tom. I laughed

> my but off when I saw that. I got a hand it to ya. You have a way of

> getting your information. You go boy.

> Darin

>

> Freels <dfreels@...

> <mailto:dfreels%40mindspring.com>> wrote:

> From NeuroHBOT/message/14884

> <NeuroHBOT/message/14884>

>

> Subject: The soft chamber facts

>

> I have been in the hyperbaric field for twenty years, the thing that has

> always impressed me even with in fighting. Multiplace versus Monoplace,

> hospital

> based versus free standing, there has been a perception of honor and a

> underlying respect. There was an appreciation of the hyperbaric

> environment,

> for

> what it could do and what it is capable of doing.

>

> Most recently there has arisen a " soft hyperbaric industry, whose

> governing

> tenants are deceit, misinformation ,ignorance of established safety

> codes

> governing pressure vessels for human occupancy and lack of respect

> for the

> potential harm that can result with the cavalier use of this treatment

> modality.

> On at least two separate occasions the devices have failed with

> potentially

> catastrophic results. One resulted in the destruction of the interior

> of a

> clinic, the other a release of a flange landing at the feet of UHMS

> representatives in San Francisco. On two separate occasions, there

> have been

> incidences

> involving smoke in the soft units. On one occasion a member of the

> largest

> distributor of these soft units attempted to demonstrate that the

> units where

> so safe you could even smoke in them, almost to his detriment. The other

> incident occurring in Florida last fall involving a failure that

> cause smoke to

> enter the chamber under pressure. The result was that the child had

> to be

> treated in a full pressure for smoke inhalation. This event is still

> awaiting

> explanation, so that the circumstances surrounding this failure can

> be avoided

> in the future.

>

> Those representing the soft units would have you believe that we are

> trying

> to prevent children from receiving treatments. Those that are

> critical of

> these soft unit out of respect for safety for your children. Design

> inadequacies and failures have yet to be tested as required by the

> ASME- PVHO.

> We,

> who are critical take this stance to prevent injury of those entering

> these

> soft units. Are the materials used in the production of these soft

> " chambers "

> capable with an oxygen enriched environment? Why is the oxygen being

> supplemented? (in contradiction to manufacturer's labeling) Is the

> inclusion of

> non

> approved devices into the " chamber " a hazard? Is offgasing a problem?

> The

> list of questions goes on and on. Many of us provide safe treatments

> at great

> personal sacrifice.

>

> There is a another list Medicaid for HBOT that has made the claim that I

> have modified soft chamber to make them capable of pressurizing to

> beyond

> design pressure. This is not true, nor will it ever be true. As one

> chiropracter

> from southern California found from trying to modify his soft

> chamber, the

> destructive capabilities of such a modification were catastrophic.

>

> I have chosen to make this response as the Medicaid for HBOT list

> uses its

> forum not for open exchange of ideas, but as a one way forum to promote

> misinformation and ensure the sale of Oxyhealth Chambers.

>

> Eventually the soft chambers may have a place in the delivery

> therapeutic

> oxygen treatment under pressure, this can not happen as long as there

> is total

> disregard for safety and the American Society of Mechanical Engineers

> codes

> for Pressure Vessels for Human Occupancy. As a parent of children

> with special

> needs, we assume manufacturers and distributor of equipment for use

> of our

> children, place safety first. It is ashamed that soft chamber

> manufactuers

> don't assume this obligation.

>

> Thank you for your indulgence. The safety of our children is not

> negotiable.

>

> Best regards,

> Tom Fox

>

April 25, 2008

http://www.TomFoxIsAlsoADamnLiar.com

Type in this adress and take a look at what pop's up. This was a post I

recieved this morning.

O Paker <oparker@...> wrote:

Hi Darin

Saw what? What did I miss? There has been so much " bickering " I stopped

paying attention.

Darin wrote:

>

> That is nothing short of amazeing. Two liars now Tom. I laughed

> my but off when I saw that. I got a hand it to ya. You have a way of

> getting your information. You go boy.

> Darin

>

> Freels <dfreels@...

> <mailto:dfreels%40mindspring.com>> wrote:

> From NeuroHBOT/message/14884

> <NeuroHBOT/message/14884>

>

> Subject: The soft chamber facts

>

> I have been in the hyperbaric field for twenty years, the thing that has

> always impressed me even with in fighting. Multiplace versus Monoplace,

> hospital

> based versus free standing, there has been a perception of honor and a

> underlying respect. There was an appreciation of the hyperbaric

> environment,

> for

> what it could do and what it is capable of doing.

>

> Most recently there has arisen a " soft hyperbaric industry, whose

> governing

> tenants are deceit, misinformation ,ignorance of established safety

> codes

> governing pressure vessels for human occupancy and lack of respect

> for the

> potential harm that can result with the cavalier use of this treatment

> modality.

> On at least two separate occasions the devices have failed with

> potentially

> catastrophic results. One resulted in the destruction of the interior

> of a

> clinic, the other a release of a flange landing at the feet of UHMS

> representatives in San Francisco. On two separate occasions, there

> have been

> incidences

> involving smoke in the soft units. On one occasion a member of the

> largest

> distributor of these soft units attempted to demonstrate that the

> units where

> so safe you could even smoke in them, almost to his detriment. The other

> incident occurring in Florida last fall involving a failure that

> cause smoke to

> enter the chamber under pressure. The result was that the child had

> to be

> treated in a full pressure for smoke inhalation. This event is still

> awaiting

> explanation, so that the circumstances surrounding this failure can

> be avoided

> in the future.

>

> Those representing the soft units would have you believe that we are

> trying

> to prevent children from receiving treatments. Those that are

> critical of

> these soft unit out of respect for safety for your children. Design

> inadequacies and failures have yet to be tested as required by the

> ASME- PVHO.

> We,

> who are critical take this stance to prevent injury of those entering

> these

> soft units. Are the materials used in the production of these soft

> " chambers "

> capable with an oxygen enriched environment? Why is the oxygen being

> supplemented? (in contradiction to manufacturer's labeling) Is the

> inclusion of

> non

> approved devices into the " chamber " a hazard? Is offgasing a problem?

> The

> list of questions goes on and on. Many of us provide safe treatments

> at great

> personal sacrifice.

>

> There is a another list Medicaid for HBOT that has made the claim that I

> have modified soft chamber to make them capable of pressurizing to

> beyond

> design pressure. This is not true, nor will it ever be true. As one

> chiropracter

> from southern California found from trying to modify his soft

> chamber, the

> destructive capabilities of such a modification were catastrophic.

>

> I have chosen to make this response as the Medicaid for HBOT list

> uses its

> forum not for open exchange of ideas, but as a one way forum to promote

> misinformation and ensure the sale of Oxyhealth Chambers.

>

> Eventually the soft chambers may have a place in the delivery

> therapeutic

> oxygen treatment under pressure, this can not happen as long as there

> is total

> disregard for safety and the American Society of Mechanical Engineers

> codes

> for Pressure Vessels for Human Occupancy. As a parent of children

> with special

> needs, we assume manufacturers and distributor of equipment for use

> of our

> children, place safety first. It is ashamed that soft chamber

> manufactuers

> don't assume this obligation.

>

> Thank you for your indulgence. The safety of our children is not

> negotiable.

>

> Best regards,

> Tom Fox

>

April 25, 2008

What does have to do with this?

Darin wrote:

>

> http://www.TomFoxIsAlsoADamnLiar.com

> <http://www.TomFoxIsAlsoADamnLiar.com>

>

> Type in this adress and take a look at what pop's up. This was a post

> I recieved this morning.

>

> O Paker <oparker@... <mailto:oparker%40ptd.net>> wrote:

> Hi Darin

>

> Saw what? What did I miss? There has been so much " bickering " I stopped

> paying attention.

>

> Darin wrote:

> >

> > That is nothing short of amazeing. Two liars now Tom. I laughed

> > my but off when I saw that. I got a hand it to ya. You have a way of

> > getting your information. You go boy.

> > Darin

> >

> > Freels <dfreels@... <mailto:dfreels%40mindspring.com>

> > <mailto:dfreels%40mindspring.com>> wrote:

> > From NeuroHBOT/message/14884

> <NeuroHBOT/message/14884>

> > <NeuroHBOT/message/14884

> <NeuroHBOT/message/14884>>

> >

> > Subject: The soft chamber facts

> >

> > I have been in the hyperbaric field for twenty years, the thing that has

> > always impressed me even with in fighting. Multiplace versus Monoplace,

> > hospital

> > based versus free standing, there has been a perception of honor and a

> > underlying respect. There was an appreciation of the hyperbaric

> > environment,

> > for

> > what it could do and what it is capable of doing.

> >

> > Most recently there has arisen a " soft hyperbaric industry, whose

> > governing

> > tenants are deceit, misinformation ,ignorance of established safety

> > codes

> > governing pressure vessels for human occupancy and lack of respect

> > for the

> > potential harm that can result with the cavalier use of this treatment

> > modality.

> > On at least two separate occasions the devices have failed with

> > potentially

> > catastrophic results. One resulted in the destruction of the interior

> > of a

> > clinic, the other a release of a flange landing at the feet of UHMS

> > representatives in San Francisco. On two separate occasions, there

> > have been

> > incidences

> > involving smoke in the soft units. On one occasion a member of the

> > largest

> > distributor of these soft units attempted to demonstrate that the

> > units where

> > so safe you could even smoke in them, almost to his detriment. The other

> > incident occurring in Florida last fall involving a failure that

> > cause smoke to

> > enter the chamber under pressure. The result was that the child had

> > to be

> > treated in a full pressure for smoke inhalation. This event is still

> > awaiting

> > explanation, so that the circumstances surrounding this failure can

> > be avoided

> > in the future.

> >

> > Those representing the soft units would have you believe that we are

> > trying

> > to prevent children from receiving treatments. Those that are

> > critical of

> > these soft unit out of respect for safety for your children. Design

> > inadequacies and failures have yet to be tested as required by the

> > ASME- PVHO.

> > We,

> > who are critical take this stance to prevent injury of those entering

> > these

> > soft units. Are the materials used in the production of these soft

> > " chambers "

> > capable with an oxygen enriched environment? Why is the oxygen being

> > supplemented? (in contradiction to manufacturer's labeling) Is the

> > inclusion of

> > non

> > approved devices into the " chamber " a hazard? Is offgasing a problem?

> > The

> > list of questions goes on and on. Many of us provide safe treatments

> > at great

> > personal sacrifice.

> >

> > There is a another list Medicaid for HBOT that has made the claim that I

> > have modified soft chamber to make them capable of pressurizing to

> > beyond

> > design pressure. This is not true, nor will it ever be true. As one

> > chiropracter

> > from southern California found from trying to modify his soft

> > chamber, the

> > destructive capabilities of such a modification were catastrophic.

> >

> > I have chosen to make this response as the Medicaid for HBOT list

> > uses its

> > forum not for open exchange of ideas, but as a one way forum to promote

> > misinformation and ensure the sale of Oxyhealth Chambers.

> >

> > Eventually the soft chambers may have a place in the delivery

> > therapeutic

> > oxygen treatment under pressure, this can not happen as long as there

> > is total

> > disregard for safety and the American Society of Mechanical Engineers

> > codes

> > for Pressure Vessels for Human Occupancy. As a parent of children

> > with special

> > needs, we assume manufacturers and distributor of equipment for use

> > of our

> > children, place safety first. It is ashamed that soft chamber

> > manufactuers

> > don't assume this obligation.

> >

> > Thank you for your indulgence. The safety of our children is not

> > negotiable.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Tom Fox

> >

April 26, 2008

O Paker wrote:

>

> What does have to do with this?

>

> Darin wrote:

> >

> > http://www.TomFoxIsAlsoADamnLiar.com

> <http://www.TomFoxIsAlsoADamnLiar.com>

> > <http://www.TomFoxIsAlsoADamnLiar.com

> <http://www.TomFoxIsAlsoADamnLiar.com>>

> >

> > Type in this adress and take a look at what pop's up. This was a post

> > I recieved this morning.

> >

> > O Paker <oparker@... <mailto:oparker%40ptd.net>

> <mailto:oparker%40ptd.net>> wrote:

> > Hi Darin

> >

> > Saw what? What did I miss? There has been so much " bickering " I stopped

> > paying attention.

> >

> > Darin wrote:

> > >

> > > That is nothing short of amazeing. Two liars now Tom. I laughed

> > > my but off when I saw that. I got a hand it to ya. You have a way of

> > > getting your information. You go boy.

> > > Darin

> > >

> > > Freels <dfreels@...

> <mailto:dfreels%40mindspring.com> <mailto:dfreels%40mindspring.com>

> > > <mailto:dfreels%40mindspring.com>> wrote:

> > > From NeuroHBOT/message/14884

> <NeuroHBOT/message/14884>

> > <NeuroHBOT/message/14884

> <NeuroHBOT/message/14884>>

> > > <NeuroHBOT/message/14884

> <NeuroHBOT/message/14884>

> > <NeuroHBOT/message/14884

> <NeuroHBOT/message/14884>>>

> > >

> > > Subject: The soft chamber facts

> > >

> > > I have been in the hyperbaric field for twenty years, the thing

> that has

> > > always impressed me even with in fighting. Multiplace versus

> Monoplace,

> > > hospital

> > > based versus free standing, there has been a perception of honor and a

> > > underlying respect. There was an appreciation of the hyperbaric

> > > environment,

> > > for

> > > what it could do and what it is capable of doing.

> > >

> > > Most recently there has arisen a " soft hyperbaric industry, whose

> > > governing

> > > tenants are deceit, misinformation ,ignorance of established safety

> > > codes

> > > governing pressure vessels for human occupancy and lack of respect

> > > for the

> > > potential harm that can result with the cavalier use of this treatment

> > > modality.

> > > On at least two separate occasions the devices have failed with

> > > potentially

> > > catastrophic results. One resulted in the destruction of the interior

> > > of a

> > > clinic, the other a release of a flange landing at the feet of UHMS

> > > representatives in San Francisco. On two separate occasions, there

> > > have been

> > > incidences

> > > involving smoke in the soft units. On one occasion a member of the

> > > largest

> > > distributor of these soft units attempted to demonstrate that the

> > > units where

> > > so safe you could even smoke in them, almost to his detriment. The

> other

> > > incident occurring in Florida last fall involving a failure that

> > > cause smoke to

> > > enter the chamber under pressure. The result was that the child had

> > > to be

> > > treated in a full pressure for smoke inhalation. This event is still

> > > awaiting

> > > explanation, so that the circumstances surrounding this failure can

> > > be avoided

> > > in the future.

> > >

> > > Those representing the soft units would have you believe that we are

> > > trying

> > > to prevent children from receiving treatments. Those that are

> > > critical of

> > > these soft unit out of respect for safety for your children. Design

> > > inadequacies and failures have yet to be tested as required by the

> > > ASME- PVHO.

> > > We,

> > > who are critical take this stance to prevent injury of those entering

> > > these

> > > soft units. Are the materials used in the production of these soft

> > > " chambers "

> > > capable with an oxygen enriched environment? Why is the oxygen being

> > > supplemented? (in contradiction to manufacturer's labeling) Is the

> > > inclusion of

> > > non

> > > approved devices into the " chamber " a hazard? Is offgasing a problem?

> > > The

> > > list of questions goes on and on. Many of us provide safe treatments

> > > at great

> > > personal sacrifice.

> > >

> > > There is a another list Medicaid for HBOT that has made the claim

> that I

> > > have modified soft chamber to make them capable of pressurizing to

> > > beyond

> > > design pressure. This is not true, nor will it ever be true. As one

> > > chiropracter

> > > from southern California found from trying to modify his soft

> > > chamber, the

> > > destructive capabilities of such a modification were catastrophic.

> > >

> > > I have chosen to make this response as the Medicaid for HBOT list

> > > uses its

> > > forum not for open exchange of ideas, but as a one way forum to

> promote

> > > misinformation and ensure the sale of Oxyhealth Chambers.

> > >

> > > Eventually the soft chambers may have a place in the delivery

> > > therapeutic

> > > oxygen treatment under pressure, this can not happen as long as there

> > > is total

> > > disregard for safety and the American Society of Mechanical Engineers

> > > codes

> > > for Pressure Vessels for Human Occupancy. As a parent of children

> > > with special

> > > needs, we assume manufacturers and distributor of equipment for use

> > > of our

> > > children, place safety first. It is ashamed that soft chamber

> > > manufactuers

> > > don't assume this obligation.

> > >

> > > Thank you for your indulgence. The safety of our children is not

> > > negotiable.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Tom Fox

> > >

April 26, 2008

> O Paker wrote:

>>

>> What does have to do with this?

>>

,

used to sell Oxyhealth chambers and wanted a larger commission

than Oxyhealth itself would receive. He insisted on more commission

and Oxyhealth said no. That's when their partnership ended and that's

also when began bashing Oxyhealth. He later claimed he never

sold Oxyhealth chambers. The URL http://

www.HartsoeIsADamnLiar.com until yesterday featured a

commission check from Oxyhealth to . That URL actually takes

you to the same web address as http://www.TomFoxIsAlsoADamnLiar.com,

which is the front page for another group for HBOT called

HBOTnow (http://www./group/HBOTnow).

Full-page, detailed JPEGS of both 's commission check and Tom's

invoice for the Performance chamber conversion are freely available

to HBOTnow members in the HBOTnow " Photo " section: http://

tech.ph./group/HBOTnow/photos

While it appears there is occasional " bickering " on the

list, the primary objective is to help parents access

Medicaid coverage of HBOT for their brain-injured children, which is

mandated, according to Federal Medicaid law.

This group now has around 1400 members. Many of them also include

caregivers of brain-injured adults who are banned from accessing HBOT

from the very same Federal agency that mandates it for children: The

Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS). This is bullshit,

and is a direct violation of not only the Americans with Disabilities

Act but also civil rights law--not to mention simple human decency.

Unfortunately, the American Academy of Neurology (AAN) and other such

entities--who should have their patients best interests at heart, do

not.

It takes time, money, faithfulness, and persistence to fight the

current injustice. These are precious commodities that most of us do

not have when we spend most of our time just taking care of our brain-

injured family members.

Consequently, a number of people have either considered or have

bought a portable chamber for the home. Since Hartsoe operates

a free-standing clinic--as does Tom Fox in the form of a truck filled

with hyperbaric chambers that he takes from town to town, the

portable chambers have surely cut into their business. For example,

if you'll recall, about a year ago Hartsoe filed a complaint

against a Raleigh clinic offering mHBOT via Oxyhealth chambers--

claiming they were dangerous. He lied and said he had not, and it was

later proven that he did lie when his email complaint to NC

authorities was made public.

Because families are forced to make hard choices, I believe it is

important that they have at least one trusted, reliable source where

they will always receive honest information. That is always one of my

objectives--even if there is occasional ugliness before we get to the

truth.

Caregivers can ill-afford to put their trust into people whose

primary objective is to make a buck or multiple bucks because of the

misfortune of others.

The one thing members will always get is the truth.

Freels

2948 Windfield Circle

Tucker, GA 30084-6714

770-491-6776 (phone)

404-725-4520 (cell)

815-366-7962 (fax)

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April 26, 2008

its so sad that this website is being used for this fighting when there are

sick people involved that put their hope on some kind of hope for their love

ones and they go on this web site to read this stuff. Its sickening. Carole

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April 27, 2008

Actually I think this is quite enlightening. We see this in

politics, we see this in the stockmarket and we see this in this

arena.

I belong to several lists and I constantly see hard chamber

operators and their patients bash anyone that uses or considers

using soft chambers. They will claim to be experts in the feild and

totally bash any data or study and will nit pick every detail. Yet,

when it comes to hard chamber data, they have no backing to

substantiate their claims. Just today, Dr. Hartsoe claimed that you

will see triple (TRIPLE) the results in hard chambers versus soft

chambers. Where does he get that data? Is there a study to back

it. In the same post, he then says the studies that are out there

that show low pressures are working, are fake and made up.

He does make a point that I agree with. He says that people will

push what they have or use. I agree. The makers of the soft

chambers will push what they have. But does that not apply to the

hard chamber people as well?

I truly find this Tom Fox stuff interesting and it is about time we

see who is biased by what and that way when we read these posts, we

know how much to beleive one person over another.

As dumb as it may sound, maybe we should have rules of disclosure on

each person that posts. Rules like in political commercials and on

CNBC where each Stock Analyst has to say what he/she ownes and who

they work for.

>

> its so sad that this website is being used for this fighting when

there are

> sick people involved that put their hope on some kind of hope for

their love

> ones and they go on this web site to read this stuff. Its

sickening. Carole

>

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>

April 27, 2008

Well said.

On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 3:09 PM, jessienjustin <jessienjustin@...>

wrote:

> Actually I think this is quite enlightening. We see this in

> politics, we see this in the stockmarket and we see this in this

> arena.

>

> I belong to several lists and I constantly see hard chamber

> operators and their patients bash anyone that uses or considers

> using soft chambers. They will claim to be experts in the feild and

> totally bash any data or study and will nit pick every detail. Yet,

> when it comes to hard chamber data, they have no backing to

> substantiate their claims. Just today, Dr. Hartsoe claimed that you

> will see triple (TRIPLE) the results in hard chambers versus soft

> chambers. Where does he get that data? Is there a study to back

> it. In the same post, he then says the studies that are out there

> that show low pressures are working, are fake and made up.

>

> He does make a point that I agree with. He says that people will

> push what they have or use. I agree. The makers of the soft

> chambers will push what they have. But does that not apply to the

> hard chamber people as well?

>

> I truly find this Tom Fox stuff interesting and it is about time we

> see who is biased by what and that way when we read these posts, we

> know how much to beleive one person over another.

>

> As dumb as it may sound, maybe we should have rules of disclosure on

> each person that posts. Rules like in political commercials and on

> CNBC where each Stock Analyst has to say what he/she ownes and who

> they work for.

>

> >

> > its so sad that this website is being used for this fighting when

> there are

> > sick people involved that put their hope on some kind of hope for

> their love

> > ones and they go on this web site to read this stuff. Its

> sickening. Carole

> >

> > **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S.

> used car

> > listings at AOL Autos.

> > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851)

> >

April 28, 2008

Carole you must realize I no how you feel I lost my loved one. But the truth

need's to be shed here. Do you realize people with hold treament from there

children or adults because there told one chamber wont work.

Both portables and steel chambers have there place. It is allmost criminal for

someone to bash a steel or portable chamber. That may cause a parent to back

away from a treatment that they can get because of mistruth.

If it is a tin can that does the job then let's use it. But we can't get on

here when our kids life is at stake and find someone bashing a portable chamber

when it can do as good if not better than the steel. Vis Versa.

I used a steel and at times when available I did use a posrtable a few times

to see the benifit. We used a steel with Kaltyn. At the end just before she

passed I was looking into a portable for partime use.

Many children that we had contact with did better in portables like autism

paitents and so forth.

But people need to be informed if something or someone is trashing either or

chamber people have the tight to no where they stand. people may not agree with

on this issue. But he is trying as hard as it may seem to shed the true

light of this feild and what is going on.

Look I have no beef with Tom Fox. I have only met the man once. I have no beef

with anyone. i lost my child and I do not want one parent to suffer that loss. I

do not want to see a parent withhold treatment from a chid because they seen a

post that a portable is bad or a steel chamber is bad or so forth. Sometimes you

will get some bad posts fighting etc. but for the most part I think what you get

is some pretty good information. spends his time and a lot of it on here

helping so many. There are a lot of good people in the feild.

Belive it or not people are hard on hartsoe to but he is a good man as

well. Same with Tom. They just have some personal issues at times with protables

and so forth why who no's. But for the most part they are good guy's and I

belive they at times just have not been enlightened enough on the benifits of

both.

There is good on everyone sometimes it just takes a while to surface.

God bless and I hope this does not cause me another two weeks of getting

yelled at.

Darin

cwatk38889@... wrote:

its so sad that this website is being used for this fighting when

there are

sick people involved that put their hope on some kind of hope for their love

ones and they go on this web site to read this stuff. Its sickening. Carole

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April 28, 2008

Well I see your point, but I don't go to this web site for politics. I go

to see what is going on with new research, new hope, what treatment helped

someone, things like that. But it seems every time I read these post anymore

its a fight between these two guys. I really think they should fight about

it somewhere else. They have been going on for a long time on this list,

and I am sick of reading it. If someone finds a soft chamber better they

should write about their experience and how it helped. If someone got help

from a hard chamber they should write about how that helped them. Who cares

which is better or not to buy. Let's hear stories about whom was helped by

what and how. Carole

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April 28, 2008

Darin, Very sorry about your loved one. yes I believe there are good

people, and like I said I wish I could help my son. But coming on here and

reading fighting between two people are not helpful. But to put some

information which I'm sure I have put on here before, I have tried the soft

chamber

with not much luck. I have tried the portable hard chamber that they bring to

your house, and was pretty much ripped off for a lot of money, the operator

didn't seem to know what he was doing as my son's ear starting bleeding and

he thought that was fine, and was ready to put him back in again the next day.

That was when this web site was helpful and I went on here and a doctor

from Hawaii told me not to put him back in and his eardrum could be broken. So

I had to tell the professional operator who brought the hard chamber here

wasn't going back in because his eardrum could be broken, of course he

still kept his money and left.

Of course that discouraged me a lot and I am told that because his injury is

so old, 11 years, loss of oxygen, there probably isn't much hope of help from

any kind of chamber. I almost got a soft one for the house, but then I

had to read myself, was not told by the person trying to sell it to me, that

there is a lot to having one in your house.

And another discouragement is that there is a hyperbaric chamber place right

in the town where I live and they will not allow him in as they don't treat

for brain injuries, even if I pay them myself.

So you tell me, what do you do. So this is some real information for

people. Maybe it will give some relief from the fighting. Take Care, Carole

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April 29, 2008

I could not agree with you more Carole. Over all most of the parents on this

list are here to help. however we have a few so called professionals that have

to be on the list and this kinda stuff we just have to sort through. I can tell

you this I use to be a part of all the fighting before my Kaltyn passed and I

regret it to this day. After she passed i made a mess of my life trying to kill

the pain. But when I look back I seen how this fighting effected me and how much

time it ook away from Katlyn I want no part of that anymore. Im trying hard not

to get involved but it is hard.

I agree we should see more postings about both benifits I encourage people

that are useing portables and or stell chambers to post avout the benifits you

are seeing. especially the portables. if your having good results please post

them so we can enlighten our professionals on this list that maybe they can see

and maybe it will change there veiws.

I have contact with a old freind from Texas as long as Im quite she has

nothing but good to say but if I voice my veiws or concerns in frustrates her.

I have no ill regard to anyone on this list.

It is hard for me to say or tell how I feel looseing a child is hard. Many

people that are on this list have lost one. But there are some of us that still

try to help even though we lost our's we don't move on for the sake of your

children. What if david and the list was not here when I needed them.

I have to continue in some way and some fasion I no that. Im just not sure

where that is as of yet.

I do really good at helping people with services they are entitled to that the

goverment does not tell them about. For instance Medicaid waivers you have to be

on that list for years. But I have found a way that you can come off that list

on to the program right away I did it with Kaltyn and it worked. Many are forced

to put there loved ones in nurseing home when they don't have to there is

another way and have care for them as well.

Darin

cwatk38889@... wrote:

Well I see your point, but I don't go to this web site for politics. I

go