Re: HBOT and flying on airplane

September 13, 2008

The answer to that would be in the PADI dive tables--don't have one handy, but

probably a 24 hour interval would be a safe guestimate. It all depends on the

hours in the dive chamber and the amount of pressure--simple physics.

I had a diving buddy once who lost his pilot's license, after violating the

regulations, and i think getting the bends while flying the day after he had

been on a dive--but I'm pretty sure he was diving deeper than 1.5 ATM. So, yes,

it is a concern, but generally only so at higher pressures.

From: Cauich <jmprue@...>

Subject: [ ] HBOT and flying on airplane

medicaid

Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 12:58 PM

I remember in my scuba diving days that you were not supposed to get

on an airplane soon

after diving. Does anyone here know if there are any limitations on doing an

HBOT dive and

flying on an airplane and if so, how long does one need to wait after the dive

to get on the

airplane????

Thanks,

September 14, 2008

Depends on ATA of the treatment. If you are only doing 1.3 dives, you won't

have any problems.

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[ ] HBOT and flying on airplane

medicaid

Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 12:58 PM

I remember in my scuba diving days that you were not supposed to get

on an airplane soon

after diving. Does anyone here know if there are any limitations on doing an

HBOT dive and

flying on an airplane and if so, how long does one need to wait after the dive

to get on the

airplane????

Thanks,

September 14, 2008

HI ,

Here is the actual issue:

When you scuba dive deeper than 16-25 feet (I forgot the exact depth

as I haven't dived in a decade), you breath compressed nitrogen, as

well as oxygen. You have enough nitrogen dissolved in your blood

that when you re-surface too fast it can bubble because it is not

leaving your blood stream fast enough. So, when you scuba dive, you

need to follow the PADI tables.

When you do HBOT you are either:

1 " diving " at 1.3 compressed air, which is equivalent to diving

10 feet or so

2 " diving " with 100% O2

Either way, you should not have any problems flying almost right away.

Diving in sea water 10 feet doesn't build up enough nitrogen to make

a difference or create a risk.

Diving in 100% O2 is not risk because O2 doesn't bubble.

I hope this helps.

Ed

At 10:58 AM 9/13/2008, you wrote:

>I remember in my scuba diving days that you were not supposed to get

>on an airplane soon

>after diving. Does anyone here know if there are any limitations on

>doing an HBOT dive and

>flying on an airplane and if so, how long does one need to wait

>after the dive to get on the

>airplane????

>

>Thanks,

>

Ed Nemeth

President, CEO

Spectrum Events

444 North Third Street, Suite 304

Sacramento, CA 95814

916-856-7044 x 339

916-856-7040 (fax)

September 14, 2008

Thanks all for the information on flying after HBOT.

My husband is taking our son on his first dive Monday morning at 8am. He then

has to

turn around and get on an airplane at about 3pm. Since this is our son's first

dive, they

mentioned they were only going to take him down to 1.3 ATA to see how he

tolerates the

pressure. So, it looks like with the limited pressure and six hour interval, it

sounds like my

husband will be fine. I will make sure he mentions this to the chamber

operator.

>

> >I remember in my scuba diving days that you were not supposed to get

> >on an airplane soon

> >after diving. Does anyone here know if there are any limitations on

> >doing an HBOT dive and

> >flying on an airplane and if so, how long does one need to wait

> >after the dive to get on the

> >airplane????

> >

> >Thanks,

> >

>

> Ed Nemeth

> President, CEO

> Spectrum Events

> 444 North Third Street, Suite 304

> Sacramento, CA 95814

>

> 916-856-7044 x 339

> 916-856-7040 (fax)

>

September 14, 2008

HBOT patient who are on 02 do not have to worry much about fly after diving,

However I believe that you should be safe and not sorry, Therefore I have

everyone wait 24 hours after flying.

I have treated residue bends. I even have had calls from patients who were

treated for the bends near the coast, upon going home which was near Las

Vegas, they had problems driving over the mountain range. We were called to

treat them. So be wise, be safe, use wisdom.

Always answer a question as though you were in front of a Judge or police

officer.

A man never quits learning, or he is a fool.

CHT

[ ] HBOT and flying on airplane

medicaid

Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 12:58 PM

I remember in my scuba diving days that you were not supposed to

get on an airplane soon

after diving. Does anyone here know if there are any limitations on doing

an HBOT dive and

flying on an airplane and if so, how long does one need to wait after the

dive to get on the

airplane????

Thanks,

September 14, 2008

Very well said

Sudylo RN / CHT

www.juliashbot.com

From: Cauich <jmprue@...>

Subject: [ ] HBOT and flying on airplane

medicaid

Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 12:58 PM

I remember in my scuba diving days that you were not supposed to

get on an airplane soon

after diving. Does anyone here know if there are any limitations on doing

an HBOT dive and

flying on an airplane and if so, how long does one need to wait after the

dive to get on the

airplane????

Thanks,

September 15, 2008

Is he at 100% O2 at 1.3 while moving up in pressure?

At 02:15 PM 9/14/2008, you wrote:

>Thanks all for the information on flying after HBOT.

>

>My husband is taking our son on his first dive Monday morning at

>8am. He then has to

>turn around and get on an airplane at about 3pm. Since this is our

>son's first dive, they

>mentioned they were only going to take him down to 1.3 ATA to see

>how he tolerates the

>pressure. So, it looks like with the limited pressure and six hour

>interval, it sounds like my

>husband will be fine. I will make sure he mentions this to the

>chamber operator.

>

> >

> > >I remember in my scuba diving days that you were not supposed to get

> > >on an airplane soon

> > >after diving. Does anyone here know if there are any limitations on

> > >doing an HBOT dive and

> > >flying on an airplane and if so, how long does one need to wait

> > >after the dive to get on the

> > >airplane????

> > >

> > >Thanks,

> > >

> >

> > Ed Nemeth

> > President, CEO

> > Spectrum Events

> > 444 North Third Street, Suite 304

> > Sacramento, CA 95814

> >

> > 916-856-7044 x 339

> > 916-856-7040 (fax)

> >

September 15, 2008

HI , I haven't seen those issues, but I am sure they are real.

However, they cannot be the " bends " .

IT would be interesting to learn more of what your patients report.

I can say this, when completed her first set of HBOT with DR

Neubauer, she was absolutely wiped out by the 30 days of sessions.

We took a couple of days rest before we went home - staying at her

grandparent's house. but, the HBOT wore her out for the next month, or so.

COuld that be part of what you are reporting?

Thanks,

Ed

At 03:33 PM 9/14/2008, you wrote:

>HBOT patient who are on 02 do not have to worry much about fly after diving,

>However I believe that you should be safe and not sorry, Therefore I have

>everyone wait 24 hours after flying.

>I have treated residue bends. I even have had calls from patients who were

>treated for the bends near the coast, upon going home which was near Las

>Vegas, they had problems driving over the mountain range. We were called to

>treat them. So be wise, be safe, use wisdom.

>Always answer a question as though you were in front of a Judge or police

>officer.

>A man never quits learning, or he is a fool.

> CHT

> [ ] HBOT and flying on airplane

><mailto:medicaid%40>medicaid

>Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 12:58 PM

>

>I remember in my scuba diving days that you were not supposed to

>get on an airplane soon

>

>after diving. Does anyone here know if there are any limitations on doing

>an HBOT dive and

>

>flying on an airplane and if so, how long does one need to wait after the

>dive to get on the

>

>airplane????

>

>Thanks,

>

September 18, 2008

In the traditional case of " the bends, " the gas which builds up in potential

body spaces, such as joints, sinuses, possible tooth infections, is comprised

primarily of nitrogen, an inert gas, because air is 21 percent oxygen and mostly

the rest is nitrogen and to a lesser extent, carbon dioxide.

If pure oxygen is used at the same pressure, it is just another gas, and I

believe would create the same risk; the primary safety of hyperbaric oxygen at

1.5 ATM or lower, is that these are low ATM pressures. Any gas can " bubble, "

any gass can create the bends, it would seem to me, based on the laws of

physics.

I'm sorry I don't currently have the time to research this further, but I

question the assertion that oxygen " doesn't bubble. "

Anyone who really wants to take the time to research this would do better to

find a website about scuba diving, and research the PADI dive tables

I would recommend waiting 24 hours before flying after any dive.

>I remember in my scuba diving days that you were not supposed to get

>on an airplane soon

>after diving. Does anyone here know if there are any limitations on

>doing an HBOT dive and

>flying on an airplane and if so, how long does one need to wait

>after the dive to get on the

>airplane??? ?

>

>Thanks,

>

Ed Nemeth

President, CEO

Spectrum Events

444 North Third Street, Suite 304

Sacramento, CA 95814

916-856-7044 x 339

916-856-7040 (fax)

September 18, 2008

I did two dives in one day at 1.5. My last dive was at 4:00 pm. I flew out that

evening at 9:00 I had no trouble what so ever. There was another family that was

with us that did the same thing. No problem.

Im not telling you what to do just our experience.

>I remember in my scuba diving days that you were not supposed to get

>on an airplane soon

>after diving. Does anyone here know if there are any limitations on

>doing an HBOT dive and

>flying on an airplane and if so, how long does one need to wait

>after the dive to get on the

>airplane??? ?

>

>Thanks,

>

Ed Nemeth

President, CEO

Spectrum Events

444 North Third Street, Suite 304

Sacramento, CA 95814

916-856-7044 x 339

916-856-7040 (fax)

September 18, 2008

Ok folks, here is the end to the flying question. I fly a corporate jet. On

numerous occasions I have gotten out of the chamber, and within a short amount

of time(less than 6 hours) been at 30,000 feet in my jet. Even at 1.5 ATA, it

isn't enough of a pressure differential to cause any problems. Second, O2 will

not cause the bends. Nitrogen causes the problem.

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