Guest guest Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 HAAAA go for it .. isn't that the truth!!HAAA! Happy T Day All.. I hope you are reading all this.. take good notes and watch the show here.. What a sinister individual ! UUGGHH!' Marguerite... In a message dated 11/23/2008 3:29:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dfreels@... writes: >The post I sent about him being a lying SOB >was sent after he betrayed my trust. Brett, this is inaccurate. This implies there was a point in time that Hartsoe was not a lying SOB. >Apparently, puts his personal feelings and ego ahead of doing what is >right for kids. This is why he refuses to add support to get this SD >bill passed. Bingo. The last thing wants is to see hyperbarics for brain-injury mainstreamed. Otherwise, he wouldn't have his retirement home, squeezed out of the blood of every brain-injured child and their parents who've been to Miracle Mountain. Freels _http://www.davidfrehttp://_ (http://www.davidfreels.com/) _david@..._ (mailto:david@...) **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=h\ ttp://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 aptly pointed out the other day that this behavior is called projection. is the jerk here, not you or Darin, or . szymonski wrote: > Good morning, everyone. I would like to share with you what > Hartsoe posted on his listserv about me this morning. One thing to > mention is that Hartsoe chose not to send this to me. Why he felt > that I shouldn't read it, I don't know. Shows what kind of person he > is. I have tried to be nice to , and try to work with him. > However, he has never posted anything that I have sent, unless he > tries to use it for his own benefit. The post that I sent to him > were sent on the 16th. The post I sent about him being a lying SOB > was sent after he betrayed my trust. (read his post carefully, there > are a lot of " we " and " us " in his post for someone who is retired.) > Anyway, I wanted to post this as I have nothing to hide. In fact, I > think Mr. Hartsoe has shot himself in the foot by posting this on his > site. > Oh, one more thing. He says I have sent him lies and that I claim > mHBOT is as good as HBOT. I have not lied to him, and DAMN RIGHT. > What he claims are lies are the posts that I have attempted to make > regarding mHBOT and the FACT that mHBOT is as good as HBOT. My > information was based on the current studies (including McGill and > Dr. Murkerjee's) , and not hearsay as his claims are. > Also, it is funny how he thinks asking him to help with the bill we > are attempting to get through the state, and then asking and > Darin for assistance as well, is back stabbing. If trying to do what > is write is stabbing in the back, than so be it. Apparently, > puts his personal feelings and ego ahead of doing what is > right for kids. This is why he refuses to add support to get this SD > bill passed. > Anyway, I will not be making any more posts regarding Hartsoe. I > have accomplished what I sent out to do. I gave him the benefit of > the doubt, and his true colors have shown through. > Anyway, if you want to read what the man posted (and failed to send > to me, but I found elsewhere) please read on. Oh, and this was > posted on this listserv last week, and not " just posted " as Hartsoe > claims. The only thing he gets right is that " It is good for > everyone to know who they are dealing with. " Thank you for > showing me who you really are! > Here is 's post: > It is good for everyone to know who they are dealing with. > If you will read the 2 messages below, you will see how some people > will > try to be nice to your face and bite you when you turn your back. > Brett, below, is opening a new clinic claiming that mhbot without > oxygen > is equal to regular hbot with oxygen. In addition, he sells Oxyhealth > chambers. He has attempted to post several messages with false > statements and he has emailed me trying to be nice. I wonder why. > Below is what he just posted on 's list followed by his request > to > help him get a bill passed in S.D. This is what I was taught as back > stabbing, 2 faced, talking out of both sides of your mouth and > several > other sayings. Brett fits them all.: > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > The following was just posted. This SOB just can't stop lying. Last > week > he was retired, now he is recruiting. I feel sorry for anyone who > believes him. > The next opening at Miracle Mountain is not until Jan 25. However, > wewill be reserving at least 2 positions for the Jan 25 session which > willbe $49 per session of hbot. If you would like to be considered > for > oneof the $49 x 40 sessions, please send an email to Alice explaining > whyyou would like to be considered. The decision will be made based > uponyour financial needs plus the present condition of your child. > Onlythose who have never done hbot will be considered for this > specialrate. Miracle Mountain has to pay its bills so we only have a > limitednumber of the special priced groups and they are meant to > provide > hbotto a child who may not receive hbot otherwise. We strongly > believe > nochild should be denied hbot because of their parents inability to > pay.Especially with these economic times, it is certainly nothing to > beembarrassed about. All enquiries will be strictly confidential. > Email > your requests to Alice Todd, our administrator at HBOTskybest (DOT) > comOur > schedule is located on our web page at www.miraclemountain .orgYou > will > also find several great videos, including Dr. symposiumon > Oxygen. Hartsoewww.miraclem ountain .org > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > , > We are preparing to introduce a bill in South Dakota to mandate > insurance companies to pay for all hyperbarics for brain injuries and > neurological conditions. > I would appreciate any literature you might have to support me in > that > effort. > szymonski (DOT) com wrote: >> >> , >> >> I do do not believe Darin or are against HBOT. In fact, they > are >> huge supporters. >> Their problemms, as well as mine, are those that criticize mHBOT > and >> make false statements (statements made without supporting evidence) >> about manufacturers. I know many, including yourself, have a > problem >> with Mr. Patel. However, he has done a lot for HBOT and our > personal >> feelings have no business getting wrapped up in the world of > hyperbarics. >> Regardless of the marketing techniques you often criticize, > OxyHealth >> has done a lot to promote HBOT. >> The biggest, and possibly best thing that could happen is for you, >> Darin, and start working together and sharing info with open > minds. >> >> Brett >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> Re: [NeuroHBOT] Chapter 1, HBOT, facts, fiction, etc. >> >> , >> >> I am very glad to see this from you. I very sincerely hope you keep > an >> open mind while getting the information together. I truly believe > that >> a lot of the problems we are having is due to everyone thinking > they >> are right, and that the other side is wrong (there should not be >> sides, anyway). In medicine, as in everything in life, there are > more >> ways than 1 to get the same results. We must be willing to " think >> outside the box " if we are to get to the bottom of what works, what >> doesn't, and when. It is my belief that being treated at 1.3 is as >> good as the higher pressures. I may be wrong, but I haven't seen >> evidence otherwise. At any rate, we all can agree that HBOT works. > If >> we all can swallow our egos, however unlikely, we may get somewhere.. >> I know you and I have our differences, but we both want the same >> results. I am willing to assist you where I can. I am willing to > call >> a truce, if you can do the same. It would be best for everyone if > the >> fighting stops, and we base comments and suggestions on known facts >> not rumors, hearsay, and what we " believe " to be correct. >> >> Brett >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Thank you. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Re: [NeuroHBOT] Chapter 1, HBOT, facts, fiction, etc. >> >> , >> >> I am very glad to see this from you. I very sincerely hope you keep > an >> open mind while getting the information together. I truly believe > that >> a lot of the problems we are having is due to everyone thinking > they >> are right, and that the other side is wrong (there should not be >> sides, anyway). In medicine, as in everything in life, there are > more >> ways than 1 to get the same results. We must be willing to " think >> outside the box " if we are to get to the bottom of what works, what >> doesn't, and when. It is my belief that being treated at 1.3 is as >> good as the higher pressures. I may be wrong, but I haven't seen >> evidence otherwise. At any rate, we all can agree that HBOT works. > If >> we all can swallow our egos, however unlikely, we may get somewhere.. >> I know you and I have our differences, but we both want the same >> results. I am willing to assist you where I can. I am willing to > call >> a truce, if you can do the same. It would be best for everyone if > the >> fighting stops, and we base comments and suggestions on known facts >> not rumors, hearsay, and what we " believe " to be correct. >> >> Brett >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Brett welcome to the wonderfull world of Hyperbaric's. In dealing with I have allway's told you to be carefull. It shows you tried to work with him to trust him. From what I see he used you as well. Took advantage of your generousity and you efferts to get him to wrok together with all of us. However as you can see your attemts as well as ours failed. He does not want to do what is right. I see you are in the same boat as us. We will prevail I see you are a determined man as I am as well as is. We may not get the credit we deserve but I can care less Im not in this for Credit. OR fame or fortune. Im in it to see no kid go through what my child did that is it. Save the fame and fortune for those who want it so badly Tom Fox e Creacy. In fact if we can get it passed and no child has to go without HBOT I will say those three people did it. It does not matter to me who gets the credit as long as it gets done. Im happy wiht my life. I don't need to be remebered for nothing. Im happy being me. If they want the fame they can have it it is fine by me. Is it really worth all that. If my name is never mentioned again it would suit me just fine. As long as HBOT becomes main stream medicine. Im ok with them taking the credit. It is just my thoughts. Darin > > , > > I do do not believe Darin or are against HBOT. In fact, they are > huge supporters. > Their problemms, as well as mine, are those that criticize mHBOT and > make false statements (statements made without supporting evidence) > about manufacturers. I know many, including yourself, have a problem > with Mr. Patel. However, he has done a lot for HBOT and our personal > feelings have no business getting wrapped up in the world of hyperbarics. > Regardless of the marketing techniques you often criticize, OxyHealth > has done a lot to promote HBOT. > The biggest, and possibly best thing that could happen is for you, > Darin, and start working together and sharing info with open minds. > > Brett > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > Re: [NeuroHBOT] Chapter 1, HBOT, facts, fiction, etc. > > , > > I am very glad to see this from you. I very sincerely hope you keep an > open mind while getting the information together. I truly believe that > a lot of the problems we are having is due to everyone thinking they > are right, and that the other side is wrong (there should not be > sides, anyway). In medicine, as in everything in life, there are more > ways than 1 to get the same results. We must be willing to " think > outside the box " if we are to get to the bottom of what works, what > doesn't, and when. It is my belief that being treated at 1.3 is as > good as the higher pressures. I may be wrong, but I haven't seen > evidence otherwise. At any rate, we all can agree that HBOT works. If > we all can swallow our egos, however unlikely, we may get somewhere. > I know you and I have our differences, but we both want the same > results. I am willing to assist you where I can. I am willing to call > a truce, if you can do the same. It would be best for everyone if the > fighting stops, and we base comments and suggestions on known facts > not rumors, hearsay, and what we " believe " to be correct. > > Brett > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 >The post I sent about him being a lying SOB >was sent after he betrayed my trust. Brett, this is inaccurate. This implies there was a point in time that Hartsoe was not a lying SOB. >Apparently, puts his personal feelings and ego ahead of doing what is >right for kids. This is why he refuses to add support to get this SD >bill passed. Bingo. The last thing wants is to see hyperbarics for brain-injury mainstreamed. Otherwise, he wouldn't have his retirement home, squeezed out of the blood of every brain-injured child and their parents who've been to Miracle Mountain. Freels http://www.davidfreels.com david@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Now this is a true statement way to go ! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Re: [ ] Hartsoe attacks Brett >The post I sent about him being a lying SOB >was sent after he betrayed my trust. Brett, this is inaccurate. This implies there was a point in time that Hartsoe was not a lying SOB. >Apparently, puts his personal feelings and ego ahead of doing what is >right for kids. This is why he refuses to add support to get this SD >bill passed. Bingo. The last thing wants is to see hyperbarics for brain-injury mainstreamed. Otherwise, he wouldn't have his retirement home, squeezed out of the blood of every brain-injured child and their parents who've been to Miracle Mountain. Freels http://www.davidfreels.com david@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Acutally folk's has no clue to what is actually going on in the Hyperbaric world unless he finds out from e or Tom. His focus is on how to get as much money in to his clinic as possible. A few years ago he got pissed at me and a mother I had referred her to . She at the last minute could not go. I belive her child was in the Hospital or she had found a place closer to home. was upset because he was going to loose the grant money that was being donated from the church. DONTATED. First if it is about the kid's then it should not have mattered. IT was not money he put out. Also if the church really wanted to see it go to good use they could have passed it to another child. It was as simple as that. We have our views of but in reality he chose how he wanted make money and prosper in life. That is his way and it's ok. That's fine with me. I'm not his judge or his keeper. However don't tear or try to tear down another industry in the process of you building your fortune. >> >> , >> >> I do do not believe Darin or are against HBOT. In fact, they > are >> huge supporters. >> Their problemms, as well as mine, are those that criticize mHBOT > and >> make false statements (statements made without supporting evidence) >> about manufacturers. I know many, including yourself, have a > problem >> with Mr. Patel. However, he has done a lot for HBOT and our > personal >> feelings have no business getting wrapped up in the world of > hyperbarics. >> Regardless of the marketing techniques you often criticize, > OxyHealth >> has done a lot to promote HBOT. >> The biggest, and possibly best thing that could happen is for you, >> Darin, and start working together and sharing info with open > minds. >> >> Brett >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> Re: [NeuroHBOT] Chapter 1, HBOT, facts, fiction, etc. >> >> , >> >> I am very glad to see this from you. I very sincerely hope you keep > an >> open mind while getting the information together. I truly believe > that >> a lot of the problems we are having is due to everyone thinking > they >> are right, and that the other side is wrong (there should not be >> sides, anyway). In medicine, as in everything in life, there are > more >> ways than 1 to get the same results. We must be willing to " think >> outside the box " if we are to get to the bottom of what works, what >> doesn't, and when. It is my belief that being treated at 1.3 is as >> good as the higher pressures. I may be wrong, but I haven't seen >> evidence otherwise. At any rate, we all can agree that HBOT works. > If >> we all can swallow our egos, however unlikely, we may get somewhere.. >> I know you and I have our differences, but we both want the same >> results. I am willing to assist you where I can. I am willing to > call >> a truce, if you can do the same. It would be best for everyone if > the >> fighting stops, and we base comments and suggestions on known facts >> not rumors, hearsay, and what we " believe " to be correct. >> >> Brett >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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