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Guest guest Posted September 29, 2003 Report Share Posted September 29, 2003 How do I unsubscribe? Viktor Bouquette, MD 1201 Peachtree St. Bldg. 400 Suite 200 Atlanta, GA 30361 404-816-0777 www.enviromedix.net -----Original Message----- From: [mailto: ] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 10:16 AM Subject: [] Digest Number 1751 FAIR USE NOTICE: This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. 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Re: (no subject) From: Gingersnap1964@... 7. Re: Sick Building Syndrome and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome From: " Bonnie s " <rainbowcarebearstitch@...> 8. Re: (no subject) From: Gingersnap1964@... 9. Re: Sick Building Syndrome and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome From: " Bonnie s " <rainbowcarebearstitch@...> 10. Molds, Mycotoxins, and Human Health- R. Gray From: " Bonnie s " <rainbowcarebearstitch@...> 11. Re: (no subject) From: Gingersnap1964@... 12. Re: Re: Sick Building Syndrome and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome From: Gingersnap1964@... 13. Re: Re: Sick Building Syndrome and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome From: Gingersnap1964@... 14. Re: Re: Sick Building Syndrome and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome From: Gingersnap1964@... 15. Re: Sick Building Syndrome and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome From: " Bonnie s " <rainbowcarebearstitch@...> 16. - Congress & Funding From: " Bonnie s " <rainbowcarebearstitch@...> 17. SARS- Sewage Pipe Leak From: " bonniescomfortzone " <bonniescomfortzone@...> 18. SARS- Sewage Pipe Leak From: " bonniescomfortzone " <bonniescomfortzone@...> 19. Re: Sick Building Syndrome and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome From: " erik_johnson_96140 " <erikj6@...> 20. Re: Ultra Aire APD anyone? From: " grasshoppers53527 " <keng@...> ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 15:34:56 -0000 From: " erik_johnson_96140 " <erikj6@...> Subject: Re: Sick Building Syndrome and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome I'm a graduate of Truckee High School and a survivor of the 1985 Incline Village CFS epidemic described the book " Osler's Web " . Dr Cheney told me that I was one of only 19 people that had been found to be EBV negative so they used my blood to demonstrate that CFS was not CEBV, so in effect, the parameters of CFS is in part based on me. I never found any therapy that directly addressed my symptoms until I came up with a strategy of extreme mycotoxin avoidance. One of my first questions during the Incline Village epidemic was " Why is mold killing me " but I was told that this was impossible so I didn't pursue the " mycotoxin connection " until it became apparent that no one was going research the role of mold in CFS or help me devise an extreme avoidance protocol. I proposed this concept when I was sick enough to be " at a point where most people with CFS commit suicide " and was told that " mold avoidance won't work and only Ampligen can help you " . I couldn't afford the Ampligen and went ahead with my strategy of extreme avoidance. Within six months I had resolved my MCS and CFS symptoms and celebrated my recovery by climbing Mt Whitney. I've been mountain climbing, backpacking and mountain biking ever since with no relapses. I've told my story to hundreds of doctors, researchers and people in support groups but so far, Dr Ritchie Shoemaker is the only doctor who understands what I'm talking about. I've even told my story on this list and had little to no interest. I recently did a ten day backpacking trip up the Muir trail camping at up to 12,000 ft altitude. Quite a difference from being laid up in bed unable to move, and yet the only people who believe me are those who were there when I proposed this concept and then used it to recover. I still don't know what causes CFS but I know that my strategy is the only therapy that has allowed me to escape symptoms. My experience is a spectacular demonstration of the mycotoxin connection to CFS. - ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 11:51:23 EDT From: Gingersnap1964@... Subject: Fwd: Sick Building Syndrome and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome I was diagnosed years ago with CFS. I was in that moldy government basement at the time and didnt corrolate. I also had a miscarriage right there in the basement. Janet [This message contained attachments] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:53:54 EDT From: Gingersnap1964@... Subject: Re: Re: Sick Building Syndrome and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome , You are wrong about this list. I have TOTAL interest in your story. I do the mold avoidance as well but seems to be a slow process. I have started with a kinesiologist I was impressed by and am taking her homeopathic medicine. I believe as I know someone she treated that was with chemicals, not mold. She says I have a huge toxicity to heavy metals as well. Anyway, I take GREAT interest and am glad to hear you are so successful at beating this. Not all of us are alike, and many have families and deal with other things as well. I STILL fight the government. My work place has decided to fire me so I will be on the street. Its hard to just focus on getting well with all this to deal with but I am trying and I read with great interest and admiration when I see your posts. Janet [This message contained attachments] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:57:31 EDT From: MLMJ75@... Subject: (no subject) You can also go to www.mycotoxicosis.com There are reference made to premature birth and exposure to mycotoxins. The research covers three mycotoxins. I don't remember which mycotoxin, but look through it. Message: 1 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 02:07:24 -0000 From: " majmja " <majmja@...> Subject: Stachybotrys and Pregnancy - HELP I everyone, I'm new here and I have a question. Can anyone tell me where I can find information on pregnancy and exposure to stachybotrys? I am unable to find anything that might back up a friend who is in that position. Any info you can give me would be great! Thanks! [This message contained attachments] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 19:05:41 -0000 From: " Bonnie s " <rainbowcarebearstitch@...> Subject: Re: Sick Building Syndrome and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Thank you . Did you send in your story to Congress? I have my own theory of why people get sick from toxic mold so I have been posting data which supports it. (Scientific data which proves that toxic mold can cause: Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, Cancer, MS, CFS..) Reality is all sickness involves: toxic substance (environment), genetics (DNA), and therefore the pineal gland which is right behind your nose. So what happens when people are in a toxic mold environment?? They get sick. I do not know who Dr. Shoemaker is but if you would like to post a website that would be great. I do know I had pages of abnormal blood work (I did test positive for EBV), pages of abnormal neurological work, also an abnormal MRI with a cyst in the quadrigeminal (sp?) area. I was on cholystramine for a while and took myself off of it because it was not getting me better. From there I did my own research and applied my own theories and used alternative medicine to get better. I have also found a new appreciation for the outdoors. I would love to go to Yosemite with a camera and hiking shoes and have a ball. Mold survivors unite for positive changes. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 15:08:40 EDT From: Gingersnap1964@... Subject: Re: (no subject) I lost a baby working in a moldy basement in a Federal building. Your friend should stay out of that environment. The miscarriage happened right there at work. Janet [This message contained attachments] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 19:11:59 -0000 From: " Bonnie s " <rainbowcarebearstitch@...> Subject: Re: Sick Building Syndrome and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Janet did you send in your story to Congress? What do you mean you will be out on the street? Are you able to work? Do you have a resume put together so you can find another job? There are plently of online organizations which have job ads and you could mail out your resume without even leaving your house. If you are interested I can look through my notes and post a couple websites for you. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 15:13:27 EDT From: Gingersnap1964@... Subject: Re: (no subject) I lost a baby working in a moldy basement in a Federal building. Your friend should stay out of that environment. The miscarriage happened right there at work. Janet [This message contained attachments] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 19:18:46 -0000 From: " Bonnie s " <rainbowcarebearstitch@...> Subject: Re: Sick Building Syndrome and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Dr. Gray in Arizona is a mold specialist and he would believe you. He is an excellent doctor and quite thorough. I will post a copy of his paper. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 19:20:55 -0000 From: " Bonnie s " <rainbowcarebearstitch@...> Subject: Molds, Mycotoxins, and Human Health- R. Gray Molds, Mycotoxins, and Human Health R. Gray, M. D., M. P. H., C. I. M. E. There are two hundred thousand different molds and fungi. They have been present on this planet for 3 billion years, and certainly, many of us love our bleu cheese. Most molds are quite harmless, aside from their tendency to induce allergies in those of us who are prone to develop allergies in the first place. HOWEVER: There truly were good reasons why we are warned in Leviticus: that if your house be contaminated with plagues, mold and Leprosy, you should put the contents in the middle of it, and set it aflame. The spores from Stachybotrys chartarum (a.k.a. atra), a mold capable of producing some of the most toxic substances known to human-kind, can survive temperatures up to 500 degrees Fahrenheit, as well as acid, caustics, and bleach without being destroyed. Spores from molds have been removed from 2,000,000-year-old sedimentary rock and grown when placed on appropriate media. And, every nation that has developed biological warfare capability, has harvested mycotoxins from molds, some of which are so toxic that microgram quantities are capable of killing within twenty-four hours, while being so completely metabolized that they are undetectable at autopsy. From 1987 through the present Dr. Gray has developed a reasonably uniform database on 350 patients with exposures to a variety of haptogenic (immunologically reactive), xenobiotic (toxic) compounds, including 75 patients with confirmed exposure to toxigenic structural molds. These patients have been evaluated in the context of individual clinical encounters, with the workup including standardized comprehensive Internal Medicine Database questionnaires with an extensive Occupational History gathering component, Environmental History gathering questionnaires, kindly provided by Grace Ziem, M.D., Dr.P.H., direct interviews, physical examinations, extensive laboratory testing including complete blood counts with differentials (CBCs), comprehensive metabolic profiles (CMPs), arthritis and thyroid profiles, lymphocyte phenotype studies including total white cell counts, total lymphocyte counts, T-cell and B-cell counts, T-cell subsets, T-cell activation levels using both CD26 and HLA-DR markers, evaluation of natural killer cell counts and functional status, audits for auto antibody production, anti herpes viral titers, anti volatile organic compound (VOC) antibody titers, evaluation of stimulated lymphocyte mitogen response, and pulmonary function testing when indicated, electrocardiograms and chest x-rays as indicated, neuropsychological evaluations, quantitative electroencephalograms (QEEGs), and in the cases in which excessive mold exposure was confirmed by environmental hygiene evaluations with quantification and identification of the specific molds present, appropriate audits were conducted for specific anti mold antibody levels. Excel spreadsheets were prepared including the laboratory data of the confirmed mold exposed patients evaluated between 1994 and February 2001. This exercise revealed patterns of abnormalities consistent with what has been reported in the literature in the last several centuries relating to the adverse health effects of toxigenic molds and fungi in man and other species. These include, but are not limited to, Alimentary toxic aleukia, Dendrodochiotoxicosis, Kashin Beck disease, 'Usov's disease,' Stachybotryotoxicosis, Cardiac beriberi, Ergotism, Balkan nephropathy, Reye's syndrome, hepatocellular carcinoma, Pink Rot, and Onyalai. Specifically, Dr. Gray's clinical evidence confirmed the presence of B-cell proliferation, excessive T-cell activation, inhibition of suppressor cell complement receptor sites, suppression of Natural Killer Cell populations which are centrally involved in cancer cell surveillance and destruction, and excessive mitogen suppression, confirmed by inhibition of stimulated lymphocyte mitosis in the presence of extracts of pokeweed, concanavillin A (Con-A), and phytohemagglutinin (PHA) implying the inhibition of immune cell reproduction, generally considered necessary to mounting a competent immune response. In short, the immune system is showing signs of being excessively stimulated by the inhalation of respirable spores, and simultaneously is being partially inhibited by the effects of the mycotoxins released by those spores. In addition, pulmonary function testing (PFTs) confirmed excessive small airways obstruction, the hallmark of mold induced hypersensitivity pneumonitis, and a review of the neuropsychological evaluations, and QEEGs performed on the mold exposed individuals confirmed the presence of central nervous system impairments consistent with what is expected based on numerous animal and human toxicological studies found in the many peer reviewed articles readily available in the extensive world literature on the toxic effects of mycotoxins. Several types of mycotoxins, including trichothecenes, ochratoxins, patulins, and aflatoxins induce human illnesses, which resemble radiation sickness and result from the random effects of being DNA " adduct formers. " Adduct formers are compounds whose molecular size and configuration allow them to insert themselves randomly into DNA, and RNA, thus resulting in the inhibition of protein synthesis, bone marrow suppression, coagulation defects and bleeding disorders resulting in nasal, pulmonary, and gastrointestinal hemorrhaging, bleeding into the adrenal glands, uterus, vagina, and the brain. In addition, many mycotoxins are potently neurotoxic, producing central nervous system effects including behavioral and cognitive changes, ataxia, and convulsions. This has been extensively described in peer-reviewed literature in the early and mid twentieth century-although this literature is not readily accessible on computerized databases, such as the Medline, and Toxline search systems, because these sources often do not include titles before the 1960's. Nonetheless, mycotoxicosis has clearly been demonstrated to have been the cause of several major human epidemics, usually involving ingestion of foods prepared with mold infested grains and cereals, or from the consumption of livestock which had been fed mold infested feed. Inhalation and absorption of mycotoxins have also been clearly demonstrated to be causative of human illnesses. Throughout the course of almost thirty years of medical practice, Dr. Gray has treated hundreds of patient with mold-induced diseases. Until 1994, most of those patients were people with mold- related allergies and asthma, and cases of symptomatic coccidiomycosis (valley fever). In 1994, he treated a group of employees manifesting building related illnesses, which were ultimately confirmed to have been caused by several molds, most prominently Stachybotrys atra, Penicillium, Aspergillus, Chaetomium, and several others, usually referred to as structural molds. He has since seen several dozen patients with building-related mold exposures resulting in a wide variety of illnesses. The biological function of mycotoxins is to enhance the probability of survival of the next generation of mold. The mycotoxins are typically " packaged " in the spores with the DNA of the organism. This process almost always takes place under adverse environmental conditions: when nutrient substrates are becoming less available, or when arid conditions prevail. We see this with regularity in the Sonoran Desert climate experienced in Tucson. With every rain the molds grow. Within less than a day, when the humidity returns to the teens (10 to 20% being the norm in the desert), the ambient environmental spore counts reported by our local meteorologists dramatically increases: it is a common species-specific survival mechanism. When spores are forming, mycotoxins are being produced. The mycotoxins-many of which are antibiotics or antifungal agents- provide an increased probability that any given spore will be likely to survive in a very competitive environment with many micro organisms competing for the same ecological " nitch. " Because many of the molds also produce solvent carriers they are not only a source of significant solvent exposure, but, whether the mycotoxins do volatilize or not, the do aerosolize and become air born via aerosol. In addition, the spores in which the mycotoxins often reside do take flight as they are released from the hyphae, hair like processes of the parent cell, and even the 7 by 4 micra Stachybotrys atra spore must be considered respirable (able to penetrate to the respiratory surfaces of the lung-the alveoli) because these particles tend to orient themselves parallel to the long dimension of the progressively smaller bronchi as they travel down to the lungs tiny air sacs. While the kinetics associated with spherical particles dictates that only particles between 5 and 0.005 micron are capable of penetrating to the alveoli, the size range of mold spores is from 7 to 0.003 micron, and they are uniquely capable of penetrating to the alveoli. Once having arrived in the alveoli, they stimulate a dramatic immune response. This is also a site in which they are able to release their mycotoxins, allowing them to be absorbed into the blood flowing through the prolific capillary beds found adjacent to the air sacs. The mycotoxins then circulate throughout the body. Just as psilicybin containing mushrooms and lysergic acid (LSD) are capable of inducing hallucinations, and cognitive distortions, a number of mycotoxins are capable of causing both transient, and permanent neurotoxicity. Approximately 70% of the patients with confirmed exposure to toxigenic structural mold have been demonstrated to have significant neurotoxicity. Neurological problems encountered among these patients have included optic neuritis, multiple sclerosis, basal ganglion and midbrain based movement disorders--developing in some cases within months of occupancy of contaminated residences. In two female patients from Phoenix, blindness was demonstrated in one or both eyes, and then within several months of the onset of the optic neuritis, both were diagnosed with MRI confirmed multiple sclerosis, first manifesting in the spinal cord of one of them. Four of the patients in the same group were confirmed to have serious movement disorders thought to be arising from midbrain structures. Another patient was confirmed to have developed occulomotor nerve palsy on three separate occasions, each time in conjunction with documented exposure to Stachybotrus, and other structural molds and their associated mycotoxins. Others were diagnosed with variable toxic encephalopathies by QEEG brain mapping, neuropsychological testing, and specialized techniques measuring specific quantifiable neurological parameters. Toxic encephalopathy is a fluctuant neurological condition manifested by cognitive impairments, which are the direct result of the recurrent and paroxysmal activity of the immune system and the central nervous system interacting with each other to cause episodic cognitive and neurological dysfunction in the form of abnormal brainwave activity and associated variable signs and symptoms of cognitive dysfunction such as memory loss, dyslexia, word finding difficulties and attention deficit disorders. These neurological abnormalities, which are triggered by exposure to concentrations of haptogenic, xenobiotic, volatile, organic compounds at sub-osmic threshold levels, have been demonstrated, by the work of Iris Bell M.D., Ph. D., at the University of Arizona, as well as other researchers, to trigger abnormal brainwave activity that is regionally specific, affecting the temporal lobes bilaterally, the right parietal lobe and the frontal lobes of the brain. These three central nervous system structures are involved in memory function, spatial relations, and cognitive integrative functions respectively. These effects are recurrent and can be demonstrated through the use of multiple diagnostic modalities, including electroencephalograms (EEGs), quantitative electroencephalograms (QEEGs), PET scans, SPECT scans, and other objective neurophysiologic modalities. When a patient is exposed to a haptogenic (immunologically active), xenobiotic (toxic) trigger to which they are historically reactive, abnormalities are observed on electroencephalographic tracings within fifteen seconds of said exposure, even when administered in a double blind fashion. It is now becoming clear that this paroxysmal activity can, in fact, take the form of complex partial seizures, and often leads to immediate, transient cognitive impairment, followed by a " post-ictal " condition, characterized by excessive fatigue. Because the victim of these episodes does not lose consciousness, as occurs in grand mal seizures, they are often unaware that these episodes are occurring, but an astute observer watching the individual would see what in essence is described in the literature as an " absence seizure. " In many of the patients who suffer from toxic encephalopathy that have been tested with 24-hour, ambulatory electroencephalograms, multiple seizures per hour in some cases, and certainly multiple seizures in a 24-hour period have been demonstrated. Brain mapping, done by quantitative electroencephalographic techniques (QEEG), also has demonstrated consistent abnormalities in several types of brainwaves. This mode of analysis has become the clinically relevant standard in the assessment of patients suffering from toxic encephalopathy, and actually offers the potential for therapeutic intervention using neurotherapy with QEEG-gated biofeedback techniques. Neurotherapeutic intervention has been shown to reduce the frequency and severity of these episodes, and may improve cognitive function and memory. A wealth of literature in the field of Occupational Medicine has appeared over a more than a century confirming the significance of molds in both residential and workplace environments. Molds have long been known to lead to the development of a severe debilitating lung disease known as hypersensitivity pneumonitis. Hypersensitivity pneumonitis is an inflammatory condition which involves inflammation in the smallest of the airways in the lungs, triggered by exposure to commonly encountered volatile organic compounds of a chemical nature, as well as several types of biological dusts, pollens, mold spores and mycotoxins " packaged " within the spores. The ensuing inflammation results in small airways spasms, and obstruction occurring in regular and repetitive episodes. This condition which causes shortness of breath, and often severe debilitating chest pain, is generally treatable with medications commonly used for asthma, and is only preventable by avoidance of exposure to the triggering agents such as mold spores. Although the condition of hypersensitivity pneumonitis was first described in association with mold spore exposure in conditions varyingly described as reactive airways disease, silo filler's disease, farmer's lung, bird fancier's disease--which rarely occurs among individuals keeping a single bird as a pet, but frequently is seen among those maintaining pigeon coups with hundreds of birds present at a time--and byssinosis or " Brown Lung Disease " in cotton mill workers. If not treated aggressively, hypersensitivity pneumonitis will lead to the progressive development of emphysema. In the case of structural mold-exposed individuals, treatment with antifungal medication, such as ketaconazole, itraconazole, and/or fluconazole-each produced or derived from mold mycotoxins themselves-may be appropriate and necessary. There is allegedly " disagreement within the scientific community as to whether the relatively large size of Stachybotrys spores prevents it from penetrating to the deepest areas of the lung. " However, this controversy was resolved by the documented presence of Stachybotrys spores in the alveoli and small airways of the lung of an infant suffering and dying from mold-induced hemorrhagic pneumonitis a rare lung disease, found to have occurred in a series of nine infants in Cleveland, Ohio by Dr. Dorr Dearborn, who confirmed the presence of Stachybotrys mold in each of the infants' homes. These cases were reported by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), in their 1998 Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Reports (MMWR). There has been some controversy raised by some researchers claiming that they cultured the organism from these homes, and were unable to detect mycotoxins in the resultant cultures. The problem is that they are not acknowledging that molds in general do not produce mycotoxins when they are growing under " ideal " conditions, such as those that usually obtain in laboratory settings. They generally produce their toxins when austere living conditions bring about sporulation, for example when nutrients are depleted, or when arid conditions prevail. The clinical observations from the patients in Dr. Gray's practice who presented between 1994 and the present with environmental hygiene documentation of exposure to structurally-related molds in their homes or workplaces provides clear evidence of the presence of consistent abnormalities in the clinically relevant workup. These abnormalities include, but are not limited to, the immunologic, pulmonary, and neurological workup, that is clearly parallel to the findings in both human and animal studies recorded in the local, national, and international medical literature. Similar findings were reported in the case of Ron -Melinda Ballard's husband- who suffered debilitating memory loss, which, to a reasonable medical certainty, was causally related to the confirmed and relevant mold exposure in their home. The congruency of the findings in these cases, collectively have confirmed the presence of a " clinical fingerprint " that allows for the clinical diagnosis of mycotoxicosis-within reasonable medical certainty. It is quite clear, when the clinical fingerprint is evident, that " but for the exposure to mixed toxigenic structural molds " these constellations of illness would not be occurring. One Tucson based neurotherapist, who has career long experience treating patients with blunt head trauma, strokes, and toxin induced trauma, stated that never in his experience has he seen entire families present demonstrating cognitive deficits of such severity. The variety of abnormalities reported is consistent with the random nature of the damage induced by " adduct formers " discussed below. The random mutagenic events encountered with mycotoxins is reminiscent of radiation induced damage, and the same constellation of bone marrow suppression, interference with protein synthesis resulting in failure to thrive, weight loss and weakness, easy bruising, frequent nosebleeds, and increased susceptibility to infections, skin lesions, and rashes is clinically similar. In reply to the assertions that the symptoms reported by the victims of toxigenic structural mold exposure, sick building syndromes, or chemical hyper-reactivity are psychosomatic, or somatoform disorders, Ann off (l994) clearly demonstrated the absence of any data supporting such hypotheses. In addition, rebutting assertions of malingering by " litigenous " victims of exposure to environmental toxins, powerful data has been filed with the Federal Agency for Toxic Substances Disease Registry (ATSDR) in relation to the sub-registry on the benzene exposed residents of the Three Lakes Subdivision north of Houston, which clearly demonstrated that there was no shift in the symptoms reported by this cohort of 1100 residents when they were surveyed both before and after litigation was filed in that matter. Thus claims of somatoform origins of patients complaints are seriously flawed, misleading, and biased, and represent an unsubstantiated hypothesis which is at best without merit, and at worst cruel, as it demeans patients who are suffering from serious, organic, physiologic problems usually affecting multiple organ systems. Mycotoxins produced by structural molds-meaning molds imported into the residences, workplaces, and public buildings on the paper covering the drywall, and other wood based composite materials-- often represent some of the most toxic substances known to humankind. The molds imported on building materials are not the same as molds commonly encountered in outdoor environments. The wood chips, and wood pulp imported from the Amazon rain forests bring with them their own varieties of mold spores. The climate of " deregulation " that has prevailed since the early eighties has favored the proliferation of new construction in which building codes requiring pretreatment of building materials with anti-fungal agents have simply not been adequately enforced. This in turn has led to circumstances, which when coupled with " corner-cutting " structural defects, have led to the conditions which favor water intrusion that has all to often allowed the appearance of truly toxic levels of mold spores and mycotoxins, which are, in turn, capable of inducing serious diseases resulting from the presence of agents with the potential for damaging the human immune system, inducing allergies, gastrointestinal disorders, skin disease, neurological disease, endocrine disruption, birth defects, cancer, pulmonary, renal, hepatic, and general metabolic disorders. Treatment protocols for the problems seen must be individualized, and carefully constructed, taken great care to avoid overuse of antibiotics with infection mimicking inflammatory conditions. This is particularly relevant, because inappropriate antibiotic use may foster further mold and fungal growth in an already compromised host. One of the most frustrating problems relating to dealing with patients experiencing illness from exposure to structural molds, and bioaerosols from gray water contamination is the inability to mobilize a proactive response from public agencies. The issue is like the " hot potato. " In the apartment complex alluded to above in the Phoenix area, when tenants complained to the County Health officials, they came to inspect without the instrumentation required for the detection of moisture or mold. And when attempts were made to report cases of illness to the State Health Department, after being told by a Deputy Assistant Director that the problem would be referred to the Director of the Division of Epidemiology and Chronic Disease, no return call was forthcoming. Similarly, when Dr. Gray raised the issue of structural mold, which resulted in the closure of the Bella Vista Elementary School in Sierra Vista with the Cochise County Board of Health--on which he served for six years-- the only physician member of the Board opined that " mold was not a public health issue! " Clearly, education is the order of the day. R. Gray, M.D., M.P.H., C.I.M.E. Preventive Medicine and Occupational Medicine, Board Certified Internal Medicine, Emergency Medicine, and Toxicology, Board Prepared Certified Independent Medical Examiner, and Commissioner, Medical Direction Commission, Arizona State Division of Emergency Medical Services. Bibliography: 1. Andersson, M.A., M. Nikulin, U. Koljalg, M.C. Andersson, F. Rainey, K. Reijula, E.L. Hintikka, and M. Salkinoja- Salonen, " Bacteria, and Toxins in Water-Damaged Building Materials, " Applied and Environmental Microbiology, 1997 Vol. 63, No. 2: pps 387- 393. 2. Ayada, A. 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Dearborn " Highly Sensitive Protein Translation Assay for Trichothecene Toxicity in Airborne Particulates: Comparison with Cytotoxicity Assays, " Applied Environmental Microb. Jan 1999 Vol 65, No1 pp 88-94 46. Yan, D.K., Rumbeiha J. Pestka " Experimental Murine IgA Nephropathy Following Passive Administration of Vomitoxin-Induced IgA monoclonal Antibodies, " Food and Chemical Toxicology 36 1998 1095-1106 47. Zhou, G., W. Whong, T. Ong, B. Chen, " Development of a fungal specific PCR Assay for Detecting Low-Level Fungi in an Indoor Environment, " Molecular and Cellular Probes, Vol 14 No 6 Nov. 2000 339-348 Book References: 1. " Symposium On Mycotoxins In Human Health, " edited by J F.H. Purchase Macmillan 1971 2. " Environmental Health Criteria II Mycotoxins, " W. H. O. 1979 3. " Toxicology Biochemistry and Pathology of Mycotoxins, " edited by; Uraguchi and Yamazaki Halstead Press 1978 4. " Moulds Fungi and Bronchial Asthma, " P. J. Van Der Werff 1958 5. " Mycotoxins in Human and Animal Health, " 1977 Pathotox Press 6. " Clinical and Experimental Aspects of Fungal Poisoning, " 1977 Han Publishers 7. " Guide to Clinically Significant Fungi, " Deanna A. Sutton, A Fothergill, M Rinaldi and Wilkins 8. " Mycotoxins, " V. Berina, Elsevier, 198I PCS Environmental Health Criteria WHO 1990 9. " The Biosynthesis Of Mycotoxins A study In Secondary Metabolism, " Editor: Pieter Steyn 10. " Molds, Mushrooms, And Mycotoxins, " By Christensen 1975 11. " Toxicology of Plant and Fungal Compounds, " edited by Keeler 12. " Mould Fungi and Bronchial Asthma, " P.J. Van Der Werff [return to menu] ©2001 Mold-Help I have a copy of his article but do not have a scanner. So I copied and pasted this article from: http://www.mold-help.org/molds.htm ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 15:27:00 EDT From: Gingersnap1964@... Subject: Re: (no subject) I lost a baby working in a moldy basement in a Federal building. Your friend should stay out of that environment. The miscarriage happened right there at work. Janet [This message contained attachments] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 16:43:35 EDT From: Gingersnap1964@... Subject: Re: Re: Sick Building Syndrome and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Arizona is a long way from Maine....Jan [This message contained attachments] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 17:04:42 EDT From: Gingersnap1964@... Subject: Re: Re: Sick Building Syndrome and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Yes please. I will end up woth half my pay. There goes my home, there goes my car,there goes doctors..Its the Government. I guess they can do anything they want as far as lying, covering up and dumping.Im a tech info specialist in the same code fpr 16 years with high clearance. I dont know what to find or look for. I have fought and fought to work at home but they wantt me gone as I am trying to tell the world and the BRAC Commission coming up. Janet [This message contained attachments] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 17:06:08 EDT From: Gingersnap1964@... Subject: Re: Re: Sick Building Syndrome and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome I have been there since 16 years old. I dont know where to start a resume. I am pretty much housebound. Most buildings bother me as they are old. [This message contained attachments] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 15 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 06:39:44 -0000 From: " Bonnie s " <rainbowcarebearstitch@...> Subject: Re: Sick Building Syndrome and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome At the top of a resume is education. Below it is your work experience. You can also put special skills. Leadership, computer skills, etc. Bullet points and lots of white space looks professional. I just did an online search and here are a couple places I pulled up: http://www.flipdog.com http://www.dice.com/ http://www.jobsbyresume.com/ Also try a temp agency. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 16 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 06:44:45 -0000 From: " Bonnie s " <rainbowcarebearstitch@...> Subject: - Congress & Funding , I already sent in my story. Can I e-mail Congress the scientific data I found or what is the best way to handle this? I am tired of seeing people homeless, belongingless, jobless, etc. and would like to bombard them not only with stories but with data to back it up. Bonnie ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 07:18:01 -0000 From: " bonniescomfortzone " <bonniescomfortzone@...> Subject: SARS- Sewage Pipe Leak SARS Can Live on Common Surfaces Key to Its Spread Lies in Quantity By Rob Stein Washington Post Staff Writer Sunday, May 4, 2003; Page A01 The SARS virus apparently can survive on common surfaces at room temperature for hours or even days, which could explain how people can catch the deadly lung infection without face-to-face contact with a sick person, scientists have found. New laboratory studies, being released today, have produced the first scientific data on how long the SARS virus can live in various places and conditions, demonstrating for the first time that the microbe can linger outside an infected person's body. One study showed the virus survived for at least 24 hours on a plastic surface at room temperature, which suggests it might be possible to become infected from touching a tabletop, doorknob or other object. Another found the microbe remained viable for as long as four days in human waste, a crucial finding that could clarify how the virus can spread through apartment buildings, hospitals and other facilities. German scientists found a common detergent failed to kill the virus, indicating that some efforts to sterilize contaminated areas may be ineffective. An experiment conducted in Japan concluded that the virus could live for extended periods in the cold, suggesting it could survive the winter. The long-awaited findings should be crucial for containing the epidemic, and they could solve one of the most important mysteries about the new disease: how the virus spreads without direct exposure to infected individuals. " It's the first time we have hard data on the survival of the virus. Before, we were just speculating, " Klaus Stohr, the World Health Organization's top SARS scientist, said yesterday. " There has been a lot of speculation that the touching of objects could be involved. This shows that transmission by contaminated hands or contaminated objects in the environment can play a role. " In addition, the findings will help researchers develop better tests for the virus and possible treatments. Now that they know what temperatures kill the virus, researchers can purify serum from sick people for use in calibrating tests and possibly to give other patients as a therapy. Serum contains antibodies that are measured by tests. In addition, the antibodies could work as a treatment if they can neutralize the virus. The new data come as the number of cases continues to increase. An additional 191 cases and 18 deaths were reported yesterday, bringing the toll to 6,234 cases in 27 countries, and 435 deaths, according to WHO. Outbreaks appeared to be under control in Hanoi, Hong Kong, Singapore and Toronto, but the disease was still spreading in many parts of China, and Taiwan has experienced a sharp jump in cases in the past week. U.S. health officials are investigating 54 probable cases in this country, including three in Virginia, and are monitoring an additional 237 suspected cases. The results were produced by laboratories in Hong Kong, Japan, Germany and Beijing that are part of a scientific network organized by WHO to study the previously unknown virus. The findings were compiled and analyzed over the past few days and were to be posted on WHO's Web site today so public health workers around the world can begin using them to keep the virus from spreading, said Stohr, who described the findings in a telephone interview. " These studies are very important for designing strategies for cleaning and disinfecting, " Stohr said. Stohr stressed that a key unknown is how much virus is necessary for someone to become infected. So even though the virus can survive in the environment, it remains unknown whether it can survive in sufficient quantities to be dangerous, he said. " What we're seeing is that this virus certainly has the capacity to stay in the environment. What we don't know is the infectious dose, " he said. Stohr also emphasized that, by far, the primary mode of transmission was through droplets that spray out when an infected person sneezes or coughs. But researchers had become increasingly suspicious that there were alternative transmission routes because of incidents in which people became infected without close personal contact with a sick person. The most disturbing case involved a 33-story apartment tower in the Amoy Gardens complex in Hong Kong. Hundreds of people living in the building were infected, forcing authorities to evacuate the residents to quarantine camps. An intensive investigation concluded that the outbreak may have been caused by a man who caught SARS, developed diarrhea and used his brother's bathroom in the building. Investigators found a small crack in a sewage pipe in the building and speculated that the virus spread through the building in droplets that became airborne from the leak. " There has been a lot of speculation about how the Amoy Gardens got infected. No one knew whether the hypothesis would hold. This would support the theory that . . . sewage coming out from that crack could have contaminated the air, " Stohr said. In the new research, scientists in Hong Kong added the virus to normal human adult feces and diarrhea, as well as to feces from a 6- month-old baby. The virus survived in the baby's feces for three hours, in normal feces for six hours and in diarrhea for four days. The difference appears to be linked to acidity -- the virus survives longer as the acidity decreases, Stohr said. " This is important, because traces of stool could occur on surfaces in hospitals. So this is very important to know in sterilizing those environments, " Stohr said. In another set of studies, scientists in Japan examined how well the virus weathered extreme temperatures. The virus died at 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit and above, started to deteriorate at 40 degrees but seemed to remain viable indefinitely when temperatures dropped to 32 degrees. Scientists in Beijing produced similar results. " This means that if the virus is being kept at lower temperatures, we have to think about next winter, " Stohr said. German researchers, meanwhile, placed the virus on a plastic surface at room temperature and found it could survive as long as 24 hours. " It survived easily, " Stohr said. Another team in Hong Kong produced similar results. The German scientists also found that a commonly used detergent appeared to have little effect on the virus. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency is planning a large-scale study to test a large number of disinfectants against the virus, Stohr said. Other teams in Singapore and Hong Kong have also been testing the virus's ability to survive in various temperatures and levels of humidity; in blood; and on metals, plastics, paper and cotton. Those results could come within days, Stohr said. " We're beginning to understand how this virus can survive in the environment, " he said. © 2003 The Washington Post Company ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 18 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 07:18:38 -0000 From: " bonniescomfortzone " <bonniescomfortzone@...> Subject: SARS- Sewage Pipe Leak Sorry forgot the link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A10947-2003May3? language=printer ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 19 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:42:09 -0000 From: " erik_johnson_96140 " <erikj6@...> Subject: Re: Sick Building Syndrome and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome I told my story to Congressman Filner only to find that he personally knows people in this situation. He is concerned but so far we don't have the science to back up our experience so there doesn't seem to be a lot that can be done. Ritchie Shoemaker is doing a presentation on markers for mycotoxin exposure. Hopefully he'll be able to quantify what we can perceive. www.chronicneurotoxins.com - ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 20 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 14:01:27 -0000 From: " grasshoppers53527 " <keng@...> Subject: Re: Ultra Aire APD anyone? This type of equipment helps indoor air quality but requires a clean non-water leaking building to start with. This unit keeps the inside of a structure dry reducing the growth of biologicals that may contaminat the space. It provides fresh air ventilation that purges indoor polutants. It has high efficiency air filters that remove particles from the air. It has an option activated carbon that removes gasous polutants from the indoor air. This type of equipment helps indoor air quality but requires a clean non-water leaking building to start with. So in addition, you need source control of pollutants and no water intrusion. Several thousand of these system are in use in schools, light commerical and homes for several years. I have a personal interest in this product. Check thermastor.com > I am considering a whole house dehumidifier like Ultra Air APD which also purifies air. I would appreciate any inputs from your experiences. > > mei ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 Tom, I echo 's comment to drink LOTS of water. It helps me stay alert, stop often, and helps combat travel-lag, easy to get when dehydrated at all. I also notice that if I'm too warm I get sleepy. Safe travels! ita Re. protocols & supps . . . I seem to recall Heidi saying on OTD (On The Diet column @ www.dadamo.com) that most protocols were appropriate for 4-6 weeks (I think all the protocols give time duration recommendations in the Encyclopedia) and then should be set aside for a time before restarting. My sense is that the O diet is awesome for O children. When I have my kidlings, I'm going to get their secretor status tested asap, so I have that info as well. There are lots of other good sources of calcium other than dairy and if yours are secretors, there's still mozzarella a couple times a week. A mineral supplement including calcium is pretty highly recommended for all O women by Dr. D if I am remembering correctly, and I would be interested in what calcium/mineral supp would be appropriate for O kids. If they still crave their favorites, how about almond butter & jam sandwiches on Ezekial bread, homemade mac & cheese with kamut pasta, butter, & mozzarella, pineapple juice, etc. ita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Click here for Specifics, Documentation and Services... >> http://www.propredictions.com/accuracy.htm DJIA THIS WEEK ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ DJIA: (10,313.07 9/10/04): UP1%; ST (Sept04): 10,300+; MT (Nov04): 10,600+; LT (1stQtr05): 11,000+; SP500: (1,123.92 9/10/04): UP1% ECONOMIC REPORTS: Retail Sales: Consensus -0.1 %, as expected, slightly higher; Retail Sales less autos: Consensus 0.2 %, as expected; Industrial Production: Consensus 0.4 %, as expected, slightly higher; Capacity Utilization Rate: Consensus 77.4 %, as expected; Business Inventories: Consensus 0.8 %, as expected; CPI Consensus 0.2 %, as expected; CPI less food & energy Consensus 0.2 %, as expected; Jobless Claims Consensus 340 K, as expected, slightly lower; Consumer Sentiment Consensus 97.0, as expected; Click here for all Weekly ProPredictions... >> http://www.propredictions.com/predictions.htm NASDAQ THIS WEEK ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nasdaq (1,894.31 9/10/04): UP1%; ST (Sept04): 1875+; MT (Nov04): 1950+; LT (1stQtr05): 2025+; 10yrNotes (100-20 9/3/04): flat0.5% TOP-10 NEWS: ORCL est 0.90, as expected; BBY est 0.51, as expected, slightly more; GIS est 0.61, as expected; Appears no TERRORISM attacks this week in US or Europe. Appears that BUSH's lead holds this week and KERRY continues to refocus campaign on the defensive. Hurricane IVAN hits around Mobile, Alabama on Tuesday between 2-8pm as a category 4. Click here for ProPredict's USA Today's NewsFutures from MIT... >> http://www.propredictions.com/newsfutures.htm FUTURES ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ FINANCE/ENERGY DJIA (10301) up SP500 (1123.60) up Nasdaq (1418.00) up 10yrNote (1120.90) s/up Gold (403.80) s/dn Silver (6.165) dn Copper (128.00) s Oil (42.81) s/dn Heat Oil (116.42) s/dn Nat Gas (45.70) dn FARM Wheat (333.50) up Corn (222.25) dn Soybeans (572.00) dn Cotton (50.72) up Cattle (85.02) s Hogs (66.05) s/dn Sugar (7.81) s/dn Coffee (74.20) s/up Cocoa (14.57) dn Click here for ProFutures weekly and daily forecasts... >> http://www.propredictions.com/futures.htm CURRENCIES ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ GBP/USD (1.7965/1.7070) s/dn AUD/USD (0.6950/0.6956) s/dn NZD/USD s/dn EUR/USD (1.2265/1.2269) up EUR/CHF (1.5426/1.5432) s EUR/JPY (134.49/134.55) s/up USD/JPY (109.62/109.67) dn USD/CHF (1.5426/1.5432) s/dn USD/CAD (1.2912/1.2918) dn ProStocks, ProFutures, ProForex have daily updates (free on Mondays) by 9am ET. 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Guest guest Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 In a message dated 2/7/2005 5:28:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, writes: Pepper ===== Alternatvie Epilepsy Treatments http://epilepsyalternatives.freeservers.com ...>>> Pepper It's nice that you've started the website. When my kid is better, I will send you all sorts of books, links, therapies. I would enourage Zoe and Arnold to do so also, if you want our input. HEG should be included in addition to neurofeedback. HEG trains the blood flow, NF trains the electrical impulses. mjh http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 , Just wanted to say that you have been on my mind today. I know it's been a long week or so since you got that second mapping. I hope your new mapping will be great and get you back on the road to hearing voices again and all the other sounds that we all cherish. Good Luck!!! Deborah Message: 3 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:32:01 -0600 From: " Kozlik " <lisak70@...> Subject: Re: Re: /Maps <<You keep listening and thinking it is gonna' get better, and...Nothing!>> Jackie, That's *exactly* how I feel right now. I've been sitting here for 7 days (well, not literally - LOL!) wondering whether it was the map, my brain failing to kick in -- or perhaps both. <grin> One night I stayed up until 2 in the morning listening to the radio hoping that " something " would finally click -- but it didn't. I woke up the next morning and still no change. I think one of the most difficult things for a new CIer to determine is when a map isn't working for you vs. when your brain just isn't making the adjustment. Hopefully I will have better news to report tomorrow! Guess which map I'll be using first? <grin> Implanted: 12/22/04 Activated: 1/18/05 Deafblind/Postlingual BTE hearing aid user 20 years Severe-profound hearing loss 10 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Hi Deborah, Thanks for thinking of me! I'm doing *much* much better today! <smile> I asked my audi to place my older map back on my processor. Instead of setting T and C levels again, she decided to work with my old map for now given the lack of progress I've had over the past 7 days. This map feels like a comfortable pair of shoes. I can discern pitch, rhythm and intonation again -- and can even pick up certain elements of speech. Today I was able to converse with my audi without an interpreter, so that was definitely a plus! Tomorrow I plan to work on some listening exercises to gauge where my speech discrimination is at this time. So far, so good!! <smile> Implanted: 12/22/04 Activated: 1/18/05 Deafblind/Postlingual BTE hearing aid user 20 years Severe-profound hearing loss 10 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 Greetings! Thank you for email. Please note below the changes that have occurred to our name and email address. All other information remains the same. Kindly update your records to reflect these changes. Thank you! Laurie Plooijer Client Service Manager (541)345-5669 (541)345-8004F (800)659-5669 laurie@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 Willem, I agree. This woman's emails are extremely annoying!!!!! Lora Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 Willem, I agree. This woman's emails are extremely annoying!!!!! Lora Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 Willem, I agree. This woman's emails are extremely annoying!!!!! Lora Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 If that woman doen.t leave this group.I.am going to leaver.Nobody protest oinly me and tammie.GET RID OF THIS F.... BITCH,. Re: Digest Number 1751 > Greetings! Thank you for email. Please note below the changes that have > occurred to our name and email address. All other information remains the > same. Kindly update your records to reflect these changes. Thank you! > > Laurie Plooijer > Client Service Manager > (541)345-5669 (541)345-8004F (800)659-5669 > laurie@... > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 If that woman doen.t leave this group.I.am going to leaver.Nobody protest oinly me and tammie.GET RID OF THIS F.... BITCH,. Re: Digest Number 1751 > Greetings! Thank you for email. Please note below the changes that have > occurred to our name and email address. All other information remains the > same. Kindly update your records to reflect these changes. Thank you! > > Laurie Plooijer > Client Service Manager > (541)345-5669 (541)345-8004F (800)659-5669 > laurie@... > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 If that woman doen.t leave this group.I.am going to leaver.Nobody protest oinly me and tammie.GET RID OF THIS F.... BITCH,. Re: Digest Number 1751 > Greetings! Thank you for email. Please note below the changes that have > occurred to our name and email address. All other information remains the > same. Kindly update your records to reflect these changes. Thank you! > > Laurie Plooijer > Client Service Manager > (541)345-5669 (541)345-8004F (800)659-5669 > laurie@... > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 If that woman doen.t leave this group.I.am going to leaver.Nobody protest oinly me and tammie.GET RID OF THIS F.... BITCH,. Re: Digest Number 1751 > Greetings! Thank you for email. Please note below the changes that have > occurred to our name and email address. All other information remains the > same. Kindly update your records to reflect these changes. Thank you! > > Laurie Plooijer > Client Service Manager > (541)345-5669 (541)345-8004F (800)659-5669 > laurie@... > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 Has anyone in the US tried to phone the number she gives out? may be this woman doesn't exist and it's just a company - who knows!! I can't stand those replies anymore!! Micky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 Has anyone in the US tried to phone the number she gives out? may be this woman doesn't exist and it's just a company - who knows!! I can't stand those replies anymore!! Micky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 Has anyone in the US tried to phone the number she gives out? may be this woman doesn't exist and it's just a company - who knows!! I can't stand those replies anymore!! Micky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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