Guest guest Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 This is tough. I found over time that if I pointed out right then how bad I was feeling the family did begin to get it. My biggest problem is with toiletries. My husband doesn't understand that using cologne and hair spray in HIS bathroom still bothers me. I haven't been able to change that yet. a I would appreciate any feedback on how to deal with one's family members who fail to understand that you can be reacting so extremely to mold spores when they are unaffected? Because the presence of spores often cannot be smelled and seen, how do you deal with convincing your family members of how sick such spores can make you so they will take steps so as to not make you sicker? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 Its is hard for others to see the changes and not see the cause. The normal is always suspecting the mental image of illness instead of physical...must be the way we are raised to be influnenced by Medical Doctors and pills instead of other cures.If you had a rash, hives or something tangible...they would have better understanding. But mold infection is not visible untill it becomes acute...and that does happen. Living with the spores and being sensitive or not....depends on how effective your immune system battles with it. Long term exposure can create sensitivity even in strong immune systems...so those who scoff at your symtoms may in time have them!!! I don't think we need to resort to extreme measures to convince loved ones of this illness......It should be obvious something is happening to your health. The sensitivity when you visit places is a biggee....asking hubby to take you home from a party, home from a restaurant etc.....its not like you are throwing up or collapsing on the floor etc. Not a 911 call.....but a condition where it feels life threatening to you! My wife says she reaches a point where she cannot breathe......yet all her tests come back negative for Asthma.....! We visited a friends house...at the door she said I can't go inside.....it was a bit difficult to explain ....other peoples homes are not safe. Insidious things like the dirt in the flower pots in the foyer of a public building....can be triggers....!! In all this the best way to deal with it is tell the truth !!! Let them learn about it and ask if they will. Otherwise you need to protect your self regardless of other's thinking. In regards to a family member who is uncaring.....who wears after shave...smokes etc... Maybe you need to puke on them .....and give back a bit of the ill effects.....harsh but effective....! Maybe a fainting spell??? The physical appearance of illness is more effective at convincing others. You may need to become adept at acting it out in some physical way. Slumping; staggering, or otherwise showing severe distress. The need to assist you is convincing of an illness being present. I am sure many other good ways to convince family members exist....but all depend on their loving and caring responses. Remember that they feel deprived of your previous ability and company in all that you did together. Bryce On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 03:44:24 -0000 "shainaraisa" <shanaraisa@...> writes: I would appreciate any feedback on how to deal with one's family members who fail to understand that you can be reacting so extremely to mold spores when they are unaffected? Because the presence of spores often cannot be smelled and seen, how do you deal with convincing your family members of how sick such spores can make you so they will take steps so as to not make you sicker?FAIR USE NOTICE:This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 My father has a hard time understanding. Their house has mold and I smell it on their clothes. But he insists on visiting for a length of time and he can see me getting sicker but its like he ignores it. I have only one friend left. His trailer is very moldy. He leaves clothes here and takes a shower when he comes over. I run like your friend if I smell hairspray or perfume. Especially diesel fumes and wood smoke. I also have had CFS for years but didn't connect it until I got sick where I worked. Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 Bryce, thanks for this excellent and encouraging summary. I must say that I have a friend who worked in the same building with me when we both got sick. She got MCS while I got cfs. I really thought she was nuts when she would just get out of the car because she could smell someone's new nail polish. Once we stayed at a motel while visiting friends. I sprayed hairspray in the bathroom, and she went running out into the parking lot. I DID NOT GET IT and thought she was nuts. We are still friends. But it took me realizing I was sensitive to certain places before I understood how awful this is. Perhaps sharing these comments of ours with family members or friends would help. I have one friend with whom I am no longer friends. She refused to adjust in any way - just could not understand my problem. This reminds me of the old Beverly Hillbilly Show. When the doorbell rang, somehow, they had company every time. But they couldn't figure out the connection. a Its is hard for others to see the changes and not see the cause. The normal is always suspecting the mental image of illness instead of physical...must be the way we are raised to be influnenced by Medical Doctors and pills instead of other cures.If you had a rash, hives or something tangible...they would have better understanding. But mold infection is not visible untill it becomes acute...and that does happen. Living with the spores and being sensitive or not....depends on how effective your immune system battles with it. Long term exposure can create sensitivity even in strong immune systems...so those who scoff at your symtoms may in time have them!!! I don't think we need to resort to extreme measures to convince loved ones of this illness......It should be obvious something is happening to your health. The sensitivity when you visit places is a biggee....asking hubby to take you home from a party, home from a restaurant etc.....its not like you are throwing up or collapsing on the floor etc. Not a 911 call.....but a condition where it feels life threatening to you! My wife says she reaches a point where she cannot breathe......yet all her tests come back negative for Asthma.....! We visited a friends house...at the door she said I can't go inside.....it was a bit difficult to explain ....other peoples homes are not safe. Insidious things like the dirt in the flower pots in the foyer of a public building....can be triggers....!! In all this the best way to deal with it is tell the truth !!! Let them learn about it and ask if they will. Otherwise you need to protect your self regardless of other's thinking. In regards to a family member who is uncaring.....who wears after shave...smokes etc... Maybe you need to puke on them .....and give back a bit of the ill effects.....harsh but effective....! Maybe a fainting spell??? The physical appearance of illness is more effective at convincing others. You may need to become adept at acting it out in some physical way. Slumping; staggering, or otherwise showing severe distress. The need to assist you is convincing of an illness being present. I am sure many other good ways to convince family members exist....but all depend on their loving and caring responses. Remember that they feel deprived of your previous ability and company in all that you did together. Bryce On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 03:44:24 -0000 "shainaraisa" <shanaraisa@...> writes: I would appreciate any feedback on how to deal with one's family members who fail to understand that you can be reacting so extremely to mold spores when they are unaffected? Because the presence of spores often cannot be smelled and seen, how do you deal with convincing your family members of how sick such spores can make you so they will take steps so as to not make you sicker?FAIR USE NOTICE:This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. 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Guest guest Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 Violation of rights....who's rights??? Does one have the right to go around polluting the air??? Does one have the right to breathe unpolluted air...????? We do not live in a sealed chamber....what we do affects other people. If someone smokes....that pollutes and that air is spread both in and out of the building. The same happens with perfumes, aromas, hair spray and all sorts of products in use by the masses....all sold over the counter!!! Note a smoker who walks by you....the aura of his/her habit surround them. And its like it sheds as they pass by. Some people enjoy eating garlic...others are grossly affected and depart to find better air to breath. How much space can I claim if I have a habit that spreads its odor around me??? The car I am in?? The whole bus I ride in???? The office I work in???? Those who smell a person who is unbathed...are offended....why are they not offended by other intrusive odors??? I actually think some use perfumes so they don't need to bathe!!! As for me I feel the same way about unbathed as I do perfume soaked folks....Ugh!!! Chances are the unbathed would not cause a chemical reaction!! Dr Sheehan once told me that human sweat smells bad only when certain foods are consumed. That it is not offensive otherwise. We had a number of conversations as we ran together and enjoyed the fun of exercize. I was never offended by sweaty bodies as we ran or met at the finish line. But anyone nearby who smoked or wore perfumes would make me feel sick. Car exhausts etc were a hazard on a run. I ran past a neighbor's home and usually crossed the street...over 100 feet away, yet the smell of cigars was still present. Yes we are finding that our right to pure air and a safe work environment is at risk. Our vocal retorts are not loud enough and not reaching in big numbers! But in time.. many of these scoffers will be sick....and face all we faced....and wonder " what happened? " We are many who suffer....yet are too poor in finances to lobby for our rights !!! It will require many letters to congress and others ... and more helpful are our prayers! We can pray with out a financial burden...its " free! " . Bryce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 Janet, my case is all mixed together, Lyme, cfs, mycoplasma, and neurotoxins. I have an apt to see Dr. Shoemaker on March 16. I will try to post after that on what he finds in my case. a Carnes My father has a hard time understanding. Their house has mold and I smell it on their clothes. But he insists on visiting for a length of time and he can see me getting sicker but its like he ignores it. I have only one friend left. His trailer is very moldy. He leaves clothes here and takes a shower when he comes over. I run like your friend if I smell hairspray or perfume. Especially diesel fumes and wood smoke. I also have had CFS for years but didn't connect it until I got sick where I worked.Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 Did any one of you tried the FRESH AIR machine? It helped me incredibly. It kills all the molds, bacteria, dust mites Dali ----- Original Message ----- From: brycervics@... Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 4:34 AM Subject: Re: [] How do you deal with skeptics? Its is hard for others to see the changes and not see the cause. The normal is always suspecting the mental image of illness instead of physical...must be the way we are raised to be influnenced by Medical Doctors and pills instead of other cures.If you had a rash, hives or something tangible...they would have better understanding. But mold infection is not visible untill it becomes acute...and that does happen. Living with the spores and being sensitive or not....depends on how effective your immune system battles with it. Long term exposure can create sensitivity even in strong immune systems...so those who scoff at your symtoms may in time have them!!! I don't think we need to resort to extreme measures to convince loved ones of this illness......It should be obvious something is happening to your health. The sensitivity when you visit places is a biggee....asking hubby to take you home from a party, home from a restaurant etc.....its not like you are throwing up or collapsing on the floor etc. Not a 911 call.....but a condition where it feels life threatening to you! My wife says she reaches a point where she cannot breathe......yet all her tests come back negative for Asthma.....! We visited a friends house...at the door she said I can't go inside.....it was a bit difficult to explain ....other peoples homes are not safe. Insidious things like the dirt in the flower pots in the foyer of a public building....can be triggers....!! In all this the best way to deal with it is tell the truth !!! Let them learn about it and ask if they will. Otherwise you need to protect your self regardless of other's thinking. In regards to a family member who is uncaring.....who wears after shave...smokes etc... Maybe you need to puke on them .....and give back a bit of the ill effects.....harsh but effective....! Maybe a fainting spell??? The physical appearance of illness is more effective at convincing others. You may need to become adept at acting it out in some physical way. Slumping; staggering, or otherwise showing severe distress. The need to assist you is convincing of an illness being present. I am sure many other good ways to convince family members exist....but all depend on their loving and caring responses. Remember that they feel deprived of your previous ability and company in all that you did together. Bryce On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 03:44:24 -0000 "shainaraisa" <shanaraisa@...> writes: I would appreciate any feedback on how to deal with one's family members who fail to understand that you can be reacting so extremely to mold spores when they are unaffected? Because the presence of spores often cannot be smelled and seen, how do you deal with convincing your family members of how sick such spores can make you so they will take steps so as to not make you sicker?FAIR USE NOTICE:This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. FAIR USE NOTICE:This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. 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Guest guest Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 Try absence makes the skeptics aware. Refuse to see him, as much as it will hurt you, your health is a priority and they have to understand that. Angel On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 Gingersnap1964@... wrote: > Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 14:27:18 EST > From: Gingersnap1964@... > Reply- > > Subject: Re: [] How do you deal with skeptics? > > My father has a hard time understanding. Their house has mold and I smell it > on their clothes. But he insists on visiting for a length of time and he can > see me getting sicker but its like he ignores it. I have only one friend left. > His trailer is very moldy. He leaves clothes here and takes a shower when he > comes over. I run like your friend if I smell hairspray or perfume. Especially > diesel fumes and wood smoke. I also have had CFS for years but didn't connect > it until I got sick where I worked. > Janet > " If having endured much, we at last asserted our 'right to know' and if, knowing, we have concluded that we are being asked to take senseless and frightening risks, then we should no longer accept the counsel of those who tell us that we must fill our world with poisonous chemicals, we should look around and see what other course is open to us. " Carson " My toxicasa (world) is your toxicasa (world). " Judith Goode Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 My God, Dr Klein, you changed your message! And all this time I wanted to say that I looked over your site and none of it was in German I found that even people who have an intellectual understanding of my situation still have no emotional of adequate conceptual grasp of the reality. My family still tries to seize upon any perceived inconsistency in my explanation to attempt to poke a hole in my entire concept as if my reactivities would unravel or disappear if they could find an inconsistency in my logic. I find that the opinions and knowledge of " experts " is so inadequate to deal with my level of reactivity that the advice I've seen them give to others would be counterproductive to me. Since people are unwilling to take my word for anything, it is generally a waste their time to tell them what I am doing. But I will say that the thing I wished I had known before undertaking remediation was that the spore cloud was emanating from a sewer vent that wasn't even on the property and that I could have burned the building to the ground and rebuilt and it wouldn't have done me one bit of good. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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