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At 03:42 PM 1/20/03 +0000, you wrote:

>When we go over the hill the mind changes,it's not sure if it's suppose to

>go up the hill or down the hill so it just sits there.

thank you!!! I'm really feeling my age this monday...and NEEDED to read

that!!!!

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candidiasis writes:

> > Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:07:45 -0800 (PST)

> > From: ElwynEvenstar22@...

> >Subject: Re: Another Question

> >

> >--

> >

> >I've had severe gum/teeth problems related to candida. Swishing with

> >MSM powder and water after brushing will definitely help clear it up.

> >Another thing which made a huge difference with me was changing to an

> >electric toothbrush.

> >MSM is hardly ever mentioned on here and is very beneficial for

> >candidiasis sufferers, but you do have to use only the powder in large

> >quantities instead of the capsules because initial cleansing with it is

> >extremely important. I've done some research on this.

> >Diane Mc

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>

>

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-----Original Message-----

From:

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Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 1:27 PM

Subject: [] Digest Number 1878

There are 8 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Re: Clearance testing / Carl

From: Gingersnap1964@...

2. Re: Re: Clearance testing / Carl

From: " a Carnes " <pj7@...>

3. wet carpets

From: brycervics@...

4. How do you deal with skeptics?

From: " shainaraisa " <shanaraisa@...>

5. Re: How do you deal with skeptics?

From: " a Carnes " <pj7@...>

6. Re: How do you deal with skeptics?

From: brycervics@...

7. Re: How do you deal with skeptics?

From: " a Carnes " <pj7@...>

8. Antihistamines could prolong the duration of middle ear effusion

From: " tigerpaw2c " <tigerpaw2C@...>

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Message: 1

Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 18:49:06 EST

From: Gingersnap1964@...

Subject: Re: Re: Clearance testing / Carl

a,

I always seem to have some level of symptoms but put near mold and my

brain

goes to mush and I go into asthma. It will take me three or four days to

recover. I have to wear a mask to my pschychiatrists building as it is an

old

building and i smell the mold. I seem to always have some degree of sinus

trouble

and muscle pain off and on

Janet

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Message: 2

Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 16:03:14 -0800

From: " a Carnes " <pj7@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Clearance testing / Carl

a,

I always seem to have some level of symptoms but put near mold and my

brain goes to mush and I go into asthma. It will take me three or four days

to recover. I have to wear a mask to my pschychiatrists building as it is an

old building and i smell the mold. I seem to always have some degree of

sinus trouble and muscle pain off and on

Janet

Janet, does the psychatrist or anyone else in the building recognize there

is a problem? One doctor I went to seemed manic to me. His building made me

sick. Fortunately I didn't have to go back and see him.

Here in Las Vegas it doesn't seem to be old or new buildings. IN fact

there aren't many buildings in this city older that about 15 yrs. I think

the buildings with problems have had water leakage, flood damage (yes we

have horrible floods when it rains) or are sealed too airtight to clear.

Often it does seem to be related to carpet for me though. For instance the

airport here is all carpeted. I can't stand it.

a

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Message: 3

Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 19:29:27 -0500

From: brycervics@...

Subject: wet carpets

Given the expanse of carpets and all the snow tracked in as well as

all the traffic on the carpets in airports, and public buildings.

...its no wonder they need to

be frequently cleanned...and quickly done by some contractor who

uses a water based chemical.....say its cleanned once a month!!!!

Do we need to wonder about mold ?..About off gasses from chemicals ?

Of course !! But so do they also worry about slipping and falling

....suits for

accidents......wait till they get sued for mold and chemical releases !!!

We build too fast..use the cheap materials and pay later for mistakes!!!

People drag in tons of dirt and all kinds of spores along with mold

spores

on their shoes and luggage....etc.

Some day a design will be forthcoming that will be effective for these

areas

and safe to walk on as well as live with !!

Until then....!!!!!!

Bryce

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Message: 4

Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 03:44:24 -0000

From: " shainaraisa " <shanaraisa@...>

Subject: How do you deal with skeptics?

I would appreciate any feedback on how to deal with one's family

members who fail to understand that you can be reacting so extremely

to mold spores when they are unaffected? Because the presence of

spores often cannot be smelled and seen, how do you deal with

convincing your family members of how sick such spores can make you

so they will take steps so as to not make you sicker?

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Message: 5

Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 20:38:52 -0800

From: " a Carnes " <pj7@...>

Subject: Re: How do you deal with skeptics?

This is tough. I found over time that if I pointed out right then how bad

I was feeling the family did begin to get it. My biggest problem is with

toiletries. My husband doesn't understand that using cologne and hair spray

in HIS bathroom still bothers me. I haven't been able to change that yet.

a

I would appreciate any feedback on how to deal with one's family

members who fail to understand that you can be reacting so extremely

to mold spores when they are unaffected? Because the presence of

spores often cannot be smelled and seen, how do you deal with

convincing your family members of how sick such spores can make you

so they will take steps so as to not make you sicker?

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Message: 6

Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 07:34:21 -0500

From: brycervics@...

Subject: Re: How do you deal with skeptics?

Its is hard for others to see the changes and not see the cause. The

normal is

always suspecting the mental image of illness instead of physical...must

be the

way we are raised to be influnenced by Medical Doctors and pills instead

of

other cures.If you had a rash, hives or something tangible...they would

have better

understanding. But mold infection is not visible untill it becomes

acute...and that does

happen.

Living with the spores and being sensitive or not....depends on how

effective your

immune system battles with it. Long term exposure can create sensitivity

even in strong

immune systems...so those who scoff at your symtoms may in time have

them!!!

I don't think we need to resort to extreme measures to convince loved

ones of this

illness......It should be obvious something is happening to your health.

The sensitivity

when you visit places is a biggee....asking hubby to take you home from a

party,

home from a restaurant etc.....its not like you are throwing up or

collapsing on the

floor etc. Not a 911 call.....but a condition where it feels life

threatening to you!

My wife says she reaches a point where she cannot breathe......yet all

her tests come

back negative for Asthma.....! We visited a friends house...at the door

she said I can't

go inside.....it was a bit difficult to explain ....other peoples homes

are not safe.

Insidious things like the dirt in the flower pots in the foyer of a

public building....can be

triggers....!!

In all this the best way to deal with it is tell the truth !!! Let them

learn about it and ask

if they will. Otherwise you need to protect your self regardless of

other's thinking.

In regards to a family member who is uncaring.....who wears after

shave...smokes etc...

Maybe you need to puke on them .....and give back a bit of the ill

effects.....harsh but

effective....! Maybe a fainting spell???

The physical appearance of illness is more effective at convincing

others. You may

need to become adept at acting it out in some physical way. Slumping;

staggering, or

otherwise showing severe distress. The need to assist you is convincing

of an illness

being present.

I am sure many other good ways to convince family members exist....but

all depend on

their loving and caring responses. Remember that they feel deprived of

your previous

ability and company in all that you did together.

Bryce

On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 03:44:24 -0000 " shainaraisa " <shanaraisa@...>

writes:

I would appreciate any feedback on how to deal with one's family

members who fail to understand that you can be reacting so extremely

to mold spores when they are unaffected? Because the presence of

spores often cannot be smelled and seen, how do you deal with

convincing your family members of how sick such spores can make you

so they will take steps so as to not make you sicker?

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Hi Tracie!

Do you have problems with Sick Building Syndrome?

Dali

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From: THOMPSON, TRACIE (JSC-DT3) (USA)

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Subject: RE: [] Digest Number 1878

Please take my name off of the distribution list. Thanks-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ]Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 1:27 PM Subject: [] Digest Number 1878There are 8 messages in this issue.Topics in this digest: 1. Re: Re: Clearance testing / Carl From: Gingersnap1964@... 2. Re: Re: Clearance testing / Carl From: "a Carnes" <pj7@...> 3. wet carpets From: brycervics@... 4. How do you deal with skeptics? From: "shainaraisa" <shanaraisa@...> 5. Re: How do you deal with skeptics? From: "a Carnes" <pj7@...> 6. Re: How do you deal with skeptics? From: brycervics@... 7. Re: How do you deal with skeptics? From: "a Carnes" <pj7@...> 8. Antihistamines could prolong the duration of middle ear effusion From: "tigerpaw2c" <tigerpaw2C@...>________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Message: 1 Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 18:49:06 EST From: Gingersnap1964@...Subject: Re: Re: Clearance testing / Carla, I always seem to have some level of symptoms but put near mold and mybrain goes to mush and I go into asthma. It will take me three or four days to recover. I have to wear a mask to my pschychiatrists building as it is anold building and i smell the mold. I seem to always have some degree of sinustrouble and muscle pain off and onJanet[This message contained attachments]________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Message: 2 Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 16:03:14 -0800 From: "a Carnes" <pj7@...>Subject: Re: Re: Clearance testing / Carl a, I always seem to have some level of symptoms but put near mold and mybrain goes to mush and I go into asthma. It will take me three or four daysto recover. I have to wear a mask to my pschychiatrists building as it is anold building and i smell the mold. I seem to always have some degree ofsinus trouble and muscle pain off and on Janet Janet, does the psychatrist or anyone else in the building recognize thereis a problem? One doctor I went to seemed manic to me. His building made mesick. Fortunately I didn't have to go back and see him. Here in Las Vegas it doesn't seem to be old or new buildings. IN factthere aren't many buildings in this city older that about 15 yrs. I thinkthe buildings with problems have had water leakage, flood damage (yes wehave horrible floods when it rains) or are sealed too airtight to clear.Often it does seem to be related to carpet for me though. For instance theairport here is all carpeted. I can't stand it. a[This message contained attachments]________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Message: 3 Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 19:29:27 -0500 From: brycervics@...Subject: wet carpetsGiven the expanse of carpets and all the snow tracked in as well as all the traffic on the carpets in airports, and public buildings...its no wonder they need tobe frequently cleanned...and quickly done by some contractor whouses a water based chemical.....say its cleanned once a month!!!!Do we need to wonder about mold ?..About off gasses from chemicals ?Of course !! But so do they also worry about slipping and falling...suits for accidents......wait till they get sued for mold and chemical releases !!!We build too fast..use the cheap materials and pay later for mistakes!!!People drag in tons of dirt and all kinds of spores along with moldsporeson their shoes and luggage....etc. Some day a design will be forthcoming that will be effective for theseareasand safe to walk on as well as live with !!Until then....!!!!!!Bryce________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Message: 4 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 03:44:24 -0000 From: "shainaraisa" <shanaraisa@...>Subject: How do you deal with skeptics?I would appreciate any feedback on how to deal with one's family members who fail to understand that you can be reacting so extremely to mold spores when they are unaffected? Because the presence of spores often cannot be smelled and seen, how do you deal with convincing your family members of how sick such spores can make you so they will take steps so as to not make you sicker?________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Message: 5 Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 20:38:52 -0800 From: "a Carnes" <pj7@...>Subject: Re: How do you deal with skeptics? This is tough. I found over time that if I pointed out right then how badI was feeling the family did begin to get it. My biggest problem is withtoiletries. My husband doesn't understand that using cologne and hair sprayin HIS bathroom still bothers me. I haven't been able to change that yet. a I would appreciate any feedback on how to deal with one's family members who fail to understand that you can be reacting so extremely to mold spores when they are unaffected? Because the presence of spores often cannot be smelled and seen, how do you deal with convincing your family members of how sick such spores can make you so they will take steps so as to not make you sicker?[This message contained attachments]________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Message: 6 Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 07:34:21 -0500 From: brycervics@...Subject: Re: How do you deal with skeptics?Its is hard for others to see the changes and not see the cause. Thenormal isalways suspecting the mental image of illness instead of physical...mustbe theway we are raised to be influnenced by Medical Doctors and pills insteadofother cures.If you had a rash, hives or something tangible...they wouldhave betterunderstanding. But mold infection is not visible untill it becomesacute...and that doeshappen. Living with the spores and being sensitive or not....depends on howeffective your immune system battles with it. Long term exposure can create sensitivityeven in strongimmune systems...so those who scoff at your symtoms may in time havethem!!!I don't think we need to resort to extreme measures to convince lovedones of thisillness......It should be obvious something is happening to your health.The sensitivitywhen you visit places is a biggee....asking hubby to take you home from aparty, home from a restaurant etc.....its not like you are throwing up orcollapsing on the floor etc. Not a 911 call.....but a condition where it feels lifethreatening to you!My wife says she reaches a point where she cannot breathe......yet allher tests come back negative for Asthma.....! We visited a friends house...at the doorshe said I can'tgo inside.....it was a bit difficult to explain ....other peoples homesare not safe.Insidious things like the dirt in the flower pots in the foyer of apublic building....can betriggers....!!In all this the best way to deal with it is tell the truth !!! Let themlearn about it and askif they will. Otherwise you need to protect your self regardless ofother's thinking.In regards to a family member who is uncaring.....who wears aftershave...smokes etc...Maybe you need to puke on them .....and give back a bit of the illeffects.....harsh buteffective....! Maybe a fainting spell??? The physical appearance of illness is more effective at convincingothers. You may need to become adept at acting it out in some physical way. Slumping;staggering, orotherwise showing severe distress. The need to assist you is convincingof an illnessbeing present. I am sure many other good ways to convince family members exist....butall depend ontheir loving and caring responses. Remember that they feel deprived ofyour previousability and company in all that you did together. BryceOn Sun, 08 Feb 2004 03:44:24 -0000 "shainaraisa" <shanaraisa@...>writes:I would appreciate any feedback on how to deal with one's family members who fail to understand that you can be reacting so extremely to mold spores when they are unaffected? Because the presence of spores often cannot be smelled and seen, how do you deal with convincing your family members of how sick such spores can make you so they will take steps so as to not make you sicker?FAIR USE NOTICE:This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not alwaysbeen specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making suchmaterial available in our efforts to advance understanding ofenvironmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific,and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use'of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the USCopyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, thematerial on this site is distributed without profit to those who haveexpressed a prior interest in receiving the included information forresearch and educational purposes. For more information go to:http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to usecopyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that gobeyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner.

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