Re: (blank) - Kills mold!!!

[Guest guest]

I am somewhat confused about the emphasis on killing mold. And when I

get confused it's usually because I'm missing something important.

Something involving real people in the real world having experiences

different from what the " experts " claim.

The " experts " say: Dead mold is just as much an allergen, irritant,

toxicant etc as live mold. The main threat from live mold is that if

it gets inside your body, survives your immune system, and begins

growing, then you are infected. that can kill you but it is rare. But

if the mold is dead it can't grow, just as for bacteria and virus.

Which is true but they often concluded that therefore mold is not a

threat to our health.

Dead mold, however, affects us -- despite what some " experts " deny

and yet others affirm -- through contact, inhalation and ingestion.

It is the molecules, enzymes, glucans, proteins etc that interact

with our bodies in mostly unknown ways.

Yet, the REAL experts - us - seem to experience a significant

difference between live mold and dead mold. I experience the

difference myself! Many of you report that killing mold is

sufficient. Others describe how mycotoxins remain or even increase

when mold is killed and even persists on their clothes after repeat

laundering -- and their suffering continues.

Still others can't afford appropriate remediation measures where

moisture sources are identified and stopped, damaged building

materials removed, the mold is removed rather than just killed; all

under containment and air flow control with workers wearing

respirators & moon suits. So killing mold in place and keeping it

from growing again is all that is possible.

I'm not challanging your experiences. I've had similar experiences.

But I would like you to be specific with differences in reactions

between dead mold and live mold. What solves the problem and what

makes the building tolerable? Perhaps some of us react only to the

byproducts such as MVOCs that are generated by live mold and stop

when the mold is dead. Perhaps others of us don't but are susceptible

to other components of mold. Can you discern the difference between

dead mold and live mold? Feel free to reply privately if you so

desire.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

grimes@...

303-671-9653

877-782-7878

[Guest guest]

Live AND dead mold has volitile mycotoxins to make you sick. I am living proof of that

[Guest guest]

All this talk on this product to kill mold? I am serious. Is dead mold still giving off mycotoxins? I have been in a house with dead mold and still got sick.Is this some miracal cure for homes? I only ask as it is hard for me to relate as it wasnt a home that made me sick. It was work. But I have to be carefull at home. Two apartments later where I didnt get too sick.

Janet

[Guest guest]

I would like to talk to you about this, may I call you? I didn't realize there was someone so close to me working on this same subject. This product does make a difference I am living proof of this. I no longer trust all of the "experts" as I believe if their heart was really to help all of us instead of padding their own pockets we all would not be in this mess.

There is a difference in the health effects between live and dead mold, big difference and I will explain my experiences, but would prefer to do it via phone.

As far as the product goes it does prevent regrowth. It also kills on contact using alcohol. Many products contain water and are diluted by large quantities of water which will feed the problem. Everyone must understand that adding water in any way could create a more serious infestation.

Killing the mold for some of us is the only alternative. It can not colonize in our bodies if it is dead.

May I call you? What does your Co do. What is your stake in all of this? My near death experience has forced me in to study and developing treatment for this illness. I would like to talk to others working on the samething I am in hopes we can help all victims. For some we are the only hope they have. I do not get anything in return for those I help only a better night sleep.Thanks, Tina

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I am somewhat confused about the emphasis on killing mold. And when I get confused it's usually because I'm missing something important. Something involving real people in the real world having experiences different from what the "experts" claim.

The "experts" say: Dead mold is just as much an allergen, irritant, toxicant etc as live mold. The main threat from live mold is that if it gets inside your body, survives your immune system, and begins growing, then you are infected. that can kill you but it is rare. But if the mold is dead it can't grow, just as for bacteria and virus. Which is true but they often concluded that therefore mold is not a threat to our health.

Dead mold, however, affects us -- despite what some "experts" deny and yet others affirm -- through contact, inhalation and ingestion. It is the molecules, enzymes, glucans, proteins etc that interact with our bodies in mostly unknown ways.

Yet, the REAL experts - us - seem to experience a significant difference between live mold and dead mold. I experience the difference myself! Many of you report that killing mold is sufficient. Others describe how mycotoxins remain or even increase when mold is killed and even persists on their clothes after repeat laundering -- and their suffering continues.

Still others can't afford appropriate remediation measures where moisture sources are identified and stopped, damaged building materials removed, the mold is removed rather than just killed; all under containment and air flow control with workers wearing respirators & moon suits. So killing mold in place and keeping it from growing again is all that is possible.

I'm not challanging your experiences. I've had similar experiences. But I would like you to be specific with differences in reactions between dead mold and live mold. What solves the problem and what makes the building tolerable? Perhaps some of us react only to the byproducts such as MVOCs that are generated by live mold and stop when the mold is dead. Perhaps others of us don't but are susceptible to other components of mold. Can you discern the difference between dead mold and live mold? Feel free to reply privately if you so desire.

Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC grimes@... 303-671-9653 877-782-7878

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