Guest guest Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 Heres some toxic mold in a basement I workrd in on a government facility for 8 yeras. THATS toxic. Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 Ken, How has Texas defined " toxic mold? " They have passed legislation also that is far more comprehensive -- and wrong in many ways! -- than California. Florida is close to passing theirs and Louisiana has passed a different one yet. Also, you gave a definition for " mold, " not " toxic mold. " Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC ------------------------------------ > > > How do you define " toxic mold " ? > > - > > (g) 'Mold' means any form of multicellular fungi that live on > plant or animal matter in indoor environments. Types of mold include, > but are not limited to, Cladosporium, Penicillium, Alternaria, > Aspergillus, Fuarim, Trichoderma, Memnoniella, Mucor, and Stachybotrys > chartarum, often found in water-damaged building materials. > > This is the same definition that was used by Brockovich and > California in their Toxic Mold legislation which was passed a few > years ago. Send my your e-mail and I will attach a copy of my entire > legislation for you.. > > Ken Moulton > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not > always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are > making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding > of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, > scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this > constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided > for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title > 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed > without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in > receiving the included information for research and educational > purposes. For more information go to: > http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use > copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go > beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright > owner. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2004 Report Share Posted January 21, 2004 DITTO Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 " Toxic mold " legislation can backfire on mold sufferers. The term implies toxic reactions, an immediate peril to anyone. Many mold problems are allergic in nature, not toxic. As soon as a mold is deemed to be non-toxic, it no longer will be includable in toxic mold law. Emphasizing health effects to high levels of any mold, including allergic effects, must be part of any mold legislation. Most of us on this board did not become sensitized to mold on our first exposure. Our problems built up after prolonged exposures. And some of us are lucky enough to have desensitized somewhat after getting away from that main exposure. These problems are not all toxic. Most are allergic. Please don't think I am implying that allergic means less serious. Allergic reactions can be a major disruptor to a normal life. I retired early from a job I otherwise loved because of such a problem. Allergic reactions in extreme cases can be fatal, such as asthma attacks. They can also weaken the body, making it more susceptible to other illnesses, or scar lungs, leading to COPD. Allergy is very serious, and should be included along with toxicity in any mold legislation. Gil Message: 6 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:22:17 -0700 From: " Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...> Subject: Re: Re: Legislation Ken, How has Texas defined " toxic mold? " They have passed legislation also that is far more comprehensive -- and wrong in many ways! -- than California. Florida is close to passing theirs and Louisiana has passed a different one yet. Also, you gave a definition for " mold, " not " toxic mold. " Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC ------------------------------------ > > > How do you define " toxic mold " ? > > - > > (g) 'Mold' means any form of multicellular fungi that live on > plant or animal matter in indoor environments. Types of mold include, > but are not limited to, Cladosporium, Penicillium, Alternaria, > Aspergillus, Fuarim, Trichoderma, Memnoniella, Mucor, and Stachybotrys > chartarum, often found in water-damaged building materials. > > This is the same definition that was used by Brockovich and > California in their Toxic Mold legislation which was passed a few > years ago. Send my your e-mail and I will attach a copy of my entire > legislation for you.. > > Ken Moulton _________________________________________________________________ Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN. http://wine.msn.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 and all, Just had to share. We just got back from Vancouver. The airport here in Las Vegas was HORRIBLE. Then coming home we took a cab and it was horrible. The rest of my family felt fine. It was just me. They think I am nuts. But that is ok. They have stood by me, as you know from meeting Pete. a Legislation wouldn't apply to someone like me.I get sick in places that don't bother anyone else.Any definition of "toxic mold" that applied to my standards ofexposure would mean burning down about a fifth of all buildings.I feel it's pretty safe to say that I am the only person to complainof "Sick Thermal Syndrome".I was hang gliding over Mt Hull in Northern CA when I spotted an areawhere a forest fire had burned away all the greenery. Places likethis are just honking for thermals so I flew over to check it out.Sure enough I hit a 3,000 fpm vertical elevator, but within a coupleof turns, I got so sick I had to bail out.It was seven long miles to the landing area and I flew the whole waywith my head laying on the control bar. I thought I was going to passout and never wake up before ground impact.I had just enough strength to do a landing approach and flare.I crawled out and leaned against a log for hours afterward wonderingwhat the hell had happened to me.I didn't know then, but I do now.That sensation has become quite familiar to me.- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 I call them "HITS" and they are HORRIBLE. Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 , I do think that others are indeed like you only they aren't willing to deal with it. People are used to taking pill after pill and drinking gallons of coffee so that they don't end up feeling anything. People aren't interested in getting to the bottom of why they are feeling the way they do - they only want to get numb and march on. It's a good thing to keep " business as usual " going, but not at the expense of health, be it physical or mental. It all catches up with you sooner or later. I have, myself, always wondered why my head went spinning whenever I went into antique stores that sold ancient books. Now I know it's from mold. Somehow a standard of health both in what we eat and drink AND breathable indoor air needs to be set in a zero tolerance way. If mold is allowed to grow inside at any level, then it has a chance to multiply out of control. Landlord's will only be required to do marginal amounts of work to keep their residences healthy spaces to live in. And that's not enough. If only people themselves could take responsibility for building, maintaining and repairing living spaces so that no mold gets a chance to start or continue then we wouldn't need government policies or so many lawsuits. I don't know how legislation would work seeing as there are so many powerful lobbies that are against any such thing. But we've got to start somewhere. There seems to be a lot of government interest in mycotoxin research as relates to food and agriculture, but very little in indoor air quality. I don't understand why the disparity. There should be an understanding that since mycotoxins and toxic spores are proven deadly in that context, they should be seen in the same light if inhaled directly into the lungs. There must be something about politics and money that I haven't figured out yet. I thought I was COMPLETELY paranoid about things! I guess I am too much of a " goody two shoes " in this way yet. Well, at least I have moved out of my moldy condo and, after more than a month, feel much better, but I do know what you mean by " plumes. " Cool, but scary story about the hang gliding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 Hi I am interested in your life as an RV'r. We lived full time in an RV for 7 years and utilized two different units in that time. This was before we became ill and suffered the many effects of sensitivities.(after we moved into a home in GA). Of interest is what you actually had to do to get your RV clean enough to live in. Be aware that I am an engineer and have visited numerous manufacturers of motor homes and trailers. And have personnally rebuilt an old motorhome with water damaged interior. So get as techy as you can please! I know the job of replacing interior panels is a big one!!! Most RV's are built with the interior walls assembled and put in place before the outer insulation etc is installed. Each layer is made more water tight by the next to make it less likely to have a leak. Lowest panels first then the roof. Did you do any additional changes to the RV to make it safe to live in? i/e what do you do about propane fumes? Holding tank fumes etc. Off gassing from new panel materials and adhesives. I truly am interested since we may need to return to that life style to escape from molds, and the EV conditions present here. And perhaps putting several heads together will save us both some future problems. Does Desert living make your problems less trouble? Looking forward to hearing from you. Bryce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 I was wondering if you could tell me how to go about having a home checked for mold.My mother has been having unexplainable illness's for about three year's now.The doctor's treat the symptom's ,but can't tell her why she keep's getting sick with the same thing's sinus infections,respitory infections,sever allergy's , uncontrollable asthma.She live's in a rental home that the landlord does not maintain very well.Can you help me anyone!! Dawn Runyan Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 Hi Dawn, You can start by buying an inexpensive mold testing kits from a hardware store, they run about $10. Hope that helps. >From: " dawn Runyan " <rere134@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: [] Re: Legislation >Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:49:20 -0600 > _________________________________________________________________ Check out the new MSN 9 Dial-up — fast & reliable Internet access with prime features! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us & page=dialup/home & ST=1 I was wondering if you could tell me how to go about having a home checked for mold.My mother has been having unexplainable illness's for about three year's now.The doctor's treat the symptom's ,but can't tell her why she keep's getting sick with the same thing's sinus infections,respitory infections,sever allergy's , uncontrollable asthma.She live's in a rental home that the landlord does not maintain very well.Can you help me anyone!! Dawn Runyan Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN. FAIR USE NOTICE: This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 Good Morning Dawn, #1 is decide how much you can afford to spend to get the results #2 locate a local company and either visit or phone to check them out. a/ they need to be experienced and have credentials b/ they need to be imformative and helpful c/ they need to be up front about costs and results..."bang for your bucks". #3 cheap tests....visable molds. a wipe tape will pickup enough for testing. Petrie dishes ... cultures are next in line and are only effective for the given close area...so many are needed...they are sent to a lab for processing.. est $20. each! #4 better results are with air tests....special equipment is used to gain air samples from all areas of the home and exterior. Samples can be obtained from interior walls using this method. This can run from $250 to much more depending on # of samples and the throughness of the tester. I was definitely pleased with the company we found in Athens, GA. Hope this is helpful ! Bryce On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:49:20 -0600 "dawn Runyan" <rere134@...> writes: I was wondering if you could tell me how to go about having a home checked for mold.My mother has been having unexplainable illness's for about three year's now.The doctor's treat the symptom's ,but can't tell her why she keep's getting sick with the same thing's sinus infections,respitory infections,sever allergy's , uncontrollable asthma.She live's in a rental home that the landlord does not maintain very well.Can you help me anyone!! Dawn Runyan Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN. FAIR USE NOTICE:This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 Ken Would you please send me anything you might think will help me & my husband. I wrote you a while back about my 39 year old husband who was exposed to Cladosporium, Aspergillus niger, Aspergillus sydowii, Penicillium, Aternaria, Epicoccum, Mycelia Sterilia, Trichoderma and Yeast. Particular to my office were the Cladosporium, Mycelia Sterilia, Yeast and Aspergillus. We are in letigation at this point and I was wondering if you had anything at all that might help us here in the state of Indiana? Fox Standeford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 Ken Would you please send me anything you might think will help me & my husband. I wrote you a while back about my 39 year old husband who was exposed to Cladosporium, Aspergillus niger, Aspergillus sydowii, Penicillium, Aternaria, Epicoccum, Mycelia Sterilia, Trichoderma and Yeast. Particular to my office were the Cladosporium, Mycelia Sterilia, Yeast and Aspergillus. We are in letigation at this point and I was wondering if you had anything at all that might help us here in the state of Indiana? Fox Standeford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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