Guest guest Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 Avi: " However, hair analysis (and I've had more than 1) seem to indicate that I am HIGH copper, LOW iron.. " I don't believe hair is a good indicator of iron. What were your zinc levels like? -Olif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Thanks to both of you for answers. I am technically " hypo " now and supplementing with Armour, however from time to time, I'm getting an exacerbation of symptoms and an increase in TSI antibodies especially when I try to add in estrogen..almost like an allergic response. Lab values right now are: TSI Ab's -93; TSH - 1.7; FT4 - .81, FT3 - 3.0; TPO - ~1100 or so: this on a little over a grain of Armour daily. Also, zinc levels on hair analysis were " low normal " range. I'm wondering if being hypo and trying to manage Graves with mineral supplementation might be too complicated. Avi > > Avi: > " However, hair > analysis (and I've had more than 1) seem to indicate that I am HIGH > copper, LOW iron.. " > > I don't believe hair is a good indicator of iron. > > What were your zinc levels like? > > -Olif > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 I'm bumping this up..hoping for an answer from Kate or . I've got an up/down thyroid with both TPO and TSI Ab's. When my TSI Ab %'s get over 100/110, I get hyper symptoms, [somewhat] irrespective of levels. Things that seem to aggravate the Graves part of my condition are: iron (first makes me feel better, then after a while, a little hyper), estrogen (possibly progesterone as well), Vit C, B12/Folic acid..alone or in combo..I'm reacting like a low copper pt, but hair analysis reads HIGH copper.. I really need to add in the estrogen....how do I get this under control without thyroidectomy? Thanks, Avi > > > > Avi: > > " However, hair > > analysis (and I've had more than 1) seem to indicate that I am HIGH > > copper, LOW iron.. " > > > > I don't believe hair is a good indicator of iron. > > > > What were your zinc levels like? > > > > -Olif > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 Hi Avi I'm really no expert on this stuff. I can tell you that my thyroid symptoms calmed down quite a bit when I quit taking hormone replacement. Also my headaches went away. Are you taking anti-thyroid meds? Kate Re:Really confused.. I'm bumping this up..hoping for an answer from Kate or . I've got an up/down thyroid with both TPO and TSI Ab's. When my TSI Ab %'s get over 100/110, I get hyper symptoms, [somewhat] irrespective of levels. Things that seem to aggravate the Graves part of my condition are: iron (first makes me feel better, then after a while, a little hyper), estrogen (possibly progesterone as well), Vit C, B12/Folic acid..alone or in combo..I'm reacting like a low copper pt, but hair analysis reads HIGH copper.. I really need to add in the estrogen....how do I get this under control without thyroidectomy? Thanks, Avi > > > > Avi: > > " However, hair > > analysis (and I've had more than 1) seem to indicate that I am HIGH > > copper, LOW iron.. " > > > > I don't believe hair is a good indicator of iron. > > > > What were your zinc levels like? > > > > -Olif > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 I agree with Kate, the estrogen helped me but the progesterone caused anxiety, hyperness, fast heart rate, and sleeplessness. I am leery of hair analysis. I'm not sure that they are accurate, and even if they are, not sure they are always interpreted correctly. But some people have had success using them. > > > > > > Avi: > > > " However, hair > > > analysis (and I've had more than 1) seem to indicate that I am > HIGH > > > copper, LOW iron.. " > > > > > > I don't believe hair is a good indicator of iron. > > > > > > What were your zinc levels like? > > > > > > -Olif > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Hey Kate; I'm not taking anti-thyroid meds and in fact, am on replacement now..I get some " transient " elevations in antibodies and FT4 levels from time to time. I am considering a block and treat, if only to get ab's down. (Current TSI Abs in the 100teens.) Thanks for help. Avi > > > > > > Avi: > > > " However, hair > > > analysis (and I've had more than 1) seem to indicate that I am > HIGH > > > copper, LOW iron.. " > > > > > > I don't believe hair is a good indicator of iron. > > > > > > What were your zinc levels like? > > > > > > -Olif > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Hey : Thanks for answer. Interestingly enough, both estrogen AND progesterone have aggravated things in the past. Pg may have kicked off the Graves thing to start with. Is there a way around this? I really seem to need my hormones for mood. Avi > > > > > > > > Avi: > > > > " However, hair > > > > analysis (and I've had more than 1) seem to indicate that I am > > HIGH > > > > copper, LOW iron.. " > > > > > > > > I don't believe hair is a good indicator of iron. > > > > > > > > What were your zinc levels like? > > > > > > > > -Olif > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 Hi Avi, It is my belief that if you have Graves/hyperT then you are functionally copper deficient. This may be due to an absolute deficiency, a deficiency of co-nutrients, or excess antagonistic nutrients. Iron is nutrient antagonistic to copper, and therefore should be avoided. Both B12 and folic acid help iron metabolism and are therefore copper antagonists and should be avoided. If you are anemic and taking iron, B12 and folic for that, then it looks like you do not have iron-deficiency anemia, but rather copper deficiency anemia. You would probably do better by supplementing with the nutrients listed on ithyroid.com as co-nutrients for copper metabolism, such as boron, B1, B2, niacin, B5, PABA, biotin, etc. Avoid iron, manganese, zinc, B6, B12, and folic acid. These should help your copper metabolism and in a very short time your existing body stores of copper should get used and you'll need to start supplementing with copper. Copper, once it's activated,. will reduce the excess production of immune system bodies, which will further decrease your hyper symptoms. I would also avoid vitamin C because it depletes copper. Estrogen requires a copper enzyme to break it down and therefore it uses up more copper, so avoid that also. You don't need to consider a thyroidectomy. You can correct your hyperT through correct supplementation. Be well, In a message dated 1/8/2008 7:20:18 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, aviano237@... writes: I'm bumping this up..hoping for an answer from Kate or . I've got an up/down thyroid with both TPO and TSI Ab's. When my TSI Ab %'s get over 100/110, I get hyper symptoms, [somewhat] irrespective of levels. Things that seem to aggravate the Graves part of my condition are: iron (first makes me feel better, then after a while, a little hyper), estrogen (possibly progesterone as well), Vit C, B12/Folic acid..alone or in combo..I'm reacting like a low copper pt, but hair analysis reads HIGH copper.. I really need to add in the estrogen....I really need to add in the control without thyroidectomy? Thanks, Avi **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Hey : I am soooooo glad to see you back on this board. I've struggled with hypoT for years, but in late '04 (along with the late stages of peri), developed Graves/TSI Ab's as well..what looked somewhat " mild " on paper, combined with fluctuating female hormone levels..threw me for a loop. When I read about your protocol in S's new book, I was SURE that this was me..Most of the things that I mentioned can give me hyper/manic type symptoms..and I thought, that's it!! That's why I can't seem to take these seemingly innocuous nutrients (can't take fish oil either)..So had had hair analysis done some time ago..looking back, show's high copper, not low..Had another one done..still shows high, not low..which is perplexing. I DO exhibit some of the manic/spaced out stuff you describe for high copper folks. I desperately need the estrogen for mood and stability..won't go into everything I suffered here..But, am I going to able to add it back in? And if the answer is [eventually] yes, where do I start? And how to know for sure if I'm high copper or low?? I am ever so grateful for your help..and I am more than intrigued by your hypotheses. Thank you, Avi > > > Hi Avi, > > It is my belief that if you have Graves/hyperT then you are functionally > copper deficient. This may be due to an absolute deficiency, a deficiency of > co-nutrients, or excess antagonistic nutrients. > > Iron is nutrient antagonistic to copper, and therefore should be avoided. > Both B12 and folic acid help iron metabolism and are therefore copper > antagonists and should be avoided. If you are anemic and taking iron, B12 and folic > for that, then it looks like you do not have iron-deficiency anemia, but > rather copper deficiency anemia. > > You would probably do better by supplementing with the nutrients listed on > ithyroid.com as co-nutrients for copper metabolism, such as boron, B1, B2, > niacin, B5, PABA, biotin, etc. Avoid iron, manganese, zinc, B6, B12, and folic > acid. > > These should help your copper metabolism and in a very short time your > existing body stores of copper should get used and you'll need to start > supplementing with copper. Copper, once it's activated,. will reduce the excess > production of immune system bodies, which will further decrease your hyper symptoms. > > I would also avoid vitamin C because it depletes copper. Estrogen requires a > copper enzyme to break it down and therefore it uses up more copper, so > avoid that also. > > You don't need to consider a thyroidectomy. You can correct your hyperT > through correct supplementation. > > Be well, > > > > > > > In a message dated 1/8/2008 7:20:18 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > aviano237@... writes: > > I'm bumping this up..hoping for an answer from Kate or . I've > got an up/down thyroid with both TPO and TSI Ab's. When my TSI Ab > %'s get over 100/110, I get hyper symptoms, [somewhat] irrespective > of levels. Things that seem to aggravate the Graves part of my > condition are: iron (first makes me feel better, then after a while, > a little hyper), estrogen (possibly progesterone as well), Vit C, > B12/Folic acid..alone or in combo..I'm reacting like a low copper > pt, but hair analysis reads HIGH copper.. > I really need to add in the estrogen....I really need to add in the > control without thyroidectomy? > Thanks, > Avi > > > > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise? NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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