Re: Seeking answer to tough questions

[Guest guest]

I have been a member of this support group for over a year. All I want to say is that lately, and I am an intelligent but sick woman, that things are getting technical on here and going over my head. I have been SEVERELY exposed and have been SEVERELY ill. I know what works and what doesn't according to my body and taste and smell. I "FEEL" mold. My ear burns on the outside before I get to it. I am pretty much homebound with hepa filter aircleaners?

Anyway, what happened to the friendly advice and sharing of something we all have in common? A link?

I don't know why I wrote this but just felt I needed to. We don't need fighting or too hig technology that a laymen cannot uinderstand. We need support, shared experiences and advice from others whom has gone through the same thing?

I have stopped posting. It isn't a personal feeling anymore. Sorry for my two cents worth.

Janet

[Guest guest]

Janet,

I stopped posting for the same reason! I have been through hell and back again with my mold symptoms. My mold case is getting closer and I have had to use my energies on doing all these interrogatories. Support instead of fighting would be a Godsend.

[Guest guest]

Not meaning to start a flaming episode, but...

Is "Caoimhin Connel" this person's real name? I know a lot of us, not I, tend to use made up names on the internet. But if this person is promoting a website and some sort of documentation, then I feel that the first documentation is to verify the person's identity and credentials.

a Carnes

Sick Building Group Members,IAQ List Group,A person who regularly posts on this chatboard made some statements on another chatboard. He often points others to his personel webpages that appear to be complete but, I think otherwise. I would like to hear your invaluable comments - sans the unnecessary personal attacks. 1) Caoimhin Connel stated in a post (on another chatboard) that he designed a sampling strategy or method for microbial sampling that is now used by others nationwide. Can anyone tell us the method or protocol he is referring-to?2) I have read that "immune compromised individuals" should be removed from the premises in moldy environments - especially if they have problems with the liver. I recall reading this in "Bioaerosols: Assessment and Control (1999). I remember it cited several times in the book. Is the American Conference of Governmental Industrial Hygienists (www.acgih.org) wrong in this situation for a person like a woman who recently posted a question on another chatboard and stated she has a liver problem? Why?3) How can Caoimhin Connel claim to have statistical certainty or "95% confidence" for mold when there are over 200 species each of Penicillium and Aspergillus? This is especially amazing when you consider these two genuses (Sp?) are the second and third most common types of mold genus to exist in most air samples taken just about anywhere in America if the samples are cultured for identification (B. Shelton). Is statitistical certainty more important than rank and order? Is this economically viable for the common homeowner who is protecting the biggest investments in their lifetimes - their 40 year mortgaged home and their health. I am aware "95% confidence" is a statistical model used. I think methods used in chemistry and particulate sampling are often misused.4) How can Caoimhin Connel's personal webpages on "Mold and IAQ" claim outdoor air has no impact on a closed building? In the mixed climates and the humid climates, there is a period of time when there is indoor/outdor temperature equalibrium and the HVAC system does not run since it is controled by a thermostat in the center of the home. Consequently, there is no moisture control (humidity) and houses can develop negative air pressure because of the constant positive air pressure created by natural crosswinds (10 MPH minimum). This means microbes are pulled into the home. Unless anyone knows of homes built tight enough to keep this from happening, how can Caoimhin Connel claim the outside and inside don't relate for a closed building? Is the American Society of Heating, Refrigeration and Air-conditioning Engineers (www.ashrae.org) wrong and Caoimhin Connel isthe only person in the world who can prove otherwise? These are just some of the questions I have for you. Enquiring minds want to know. Thank you for all postings that can be professional, curteous and give good reference. Regards,Greg WeathermanArlington VA 22202gw@...FAIR USE NOTICE:This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/6/04 2:25:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, WshUponAStr@... writes: ,

I am where you are and my prayers go out to you. Thanks for saying that too.

Janet

Janet,

I stopped posting for the same reason! I have been through hell and back again with my mold symptoms. My mold case is getting closer and I have had to use my energies on doing all these interrogatories. Support instead of fighting would be a Godsend.

[Guest guest]

, yes that is his real name and the website that is being

referred to is www.toxlaw.com Personally I feel that this man is

very intelligent, just on the wrong side of the tracks concerning the

mold issue. He definately has a way of manipulating the truth,

research, etc., etc., to where it works in his favor. He is an

Industrial Hygienist and from what I understand, professionals in his

own organization do like to associate with him.

>

> Not meaning to start a flaming episode, but...

>

> Is " Caoimhin Connel " this person's real name? I know a lot of us,

not I, tend to use made up names on the internet. But if this person

is promoting a website and some sort of documentation, then I feel

that the first documentation is to verify the person's identity and

credentials.

> a Carnes

>

>

> Sick Building Group Members,

>

> IAQ List Group,

>

> A person who regularly posts on this chatboard made some

statements

> on another chatboard. He often points others to his personel

> webpages that appear to be complete but, I think otherwise. I

would

> like to hear your invaluable comments - sans the unnecessary

personal

> attacks.

>

> 1) Caoimhin Connel stated in a post (on another chatboard) that

he

> designed a sampling strategy or method for microbial sampling

that is

> now used by others nationwide. Can anyone tell us the method or

> protocol he is referring-to?

>

> 2) I have read that " immune compromised individuals "

> should be removed from the premises in moldy environments -

> especially if they have problems with the liver. I recall

> reading this in " Bioaerosols: Assessment and Control

> (1999). I remember it cited several times in the book. Is

> the American Conference of Governmental Industrial

> Hygienists (www.acgih.org) wrong in this situation for a

> person like a woman who recently posted a question on another

> chatboard and stated she has a liver problem? Why?

>

> 3) How can Caoimhin Connel claim to have statistical certainty

> or " 95% confidence " for mold when there are over 200 species each

> of Penicillium and Aspergillus? This is especially amazing

> when you consider these two genuses (Sp?) are the second

> and third most common types of mold genus to exist in most

> air samples taken just about anywhere in America if the

> samples are cultured for identification (B. Shelton). Is

> statitistical certainty more important than rank and order? Is

this

> economically viable for the common homeowner who is protecting

the

> biggest investments in their lifetimes - their 40 year mortgaged

home

> and their health. I am aware " 95% confidence " is a statistical

model

> used. I think methods used in chemistry and particulate sampling

are

> often misused.

>

> 4) How can Caoimhin Connel's personal webpages on " Mold and IAQ "

> claim outdoor air has no impact on a closed

> building? In the mixed climates and the humid climates,

> there is a period of time when there is indoor/outdor

> temperature equalibrium and the HVAC system does not run

> since it is controled by a thermostat in the center of the

> home. Consequently, there is no moisture control

> (humidity) and houses can develop negative air pressure

> because of the constant positive air pressure created by

> natural crosswinds (10 MPH minimum). This means microbes

> are pulled into the home. Unless anyone knows of homes built

> tight enough to keep this from happening, how can Caoimhin Connel

> claim the outside and inside don't relate for a closed building?

> Is the American Society of Heating, Refrigeration and Air-

> conditioning Engineers (www.ashrae.org) wrong and Caoimhin Connel

is

> the only person in the world who can prove otherwise?

>

> These are just some of the questions I have for you. Enquiring

minds

> want to know. Thank you for all postings that can be

professional,

> curteous and give good reference.

>

> Regards,

>

> Greg Weatherman

> Arlington VA 22202

> gw@a...

>

>

>

>

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with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is

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