Fw: question about stiff neck and shoulders

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----- Original Message -----

From: " Kathi " <pureheart@...>

Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 6:09 PM

Subject: question about stiff neck and shoulders

> I have noticed increasingly stiff neck and upper shoulders. For those of

> you who have had your implants removed...is this something that has

> resolved itself? I have only had my saline implants for about 5 years.

>

> Have a Great

> Day!

>

>

>

> Outlw1@...

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> " Whatever a person thinketh in his heart so is he. "

>

>

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----- Original Message -----

From: " Kathi " <pureheart@...>

Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 12:45 PM

Subject: Re: question about stiff neck and shoulders

> Greetings!

> After reading one of the postings that mentioned she was going to be

> seeing Dr. Vasey, I looked to see where I had heard the Dr's

> name...realized he had written a book I have at my desk called " THE

> SILICONE BREAST IMPLANT CONTROVERSY " . I just happened to open the book

> and it happened to be page 59. If it is ok, I will quote:

> How does a woman know whether she is suffering from any of these

> " traditional " autoimmune diseases or a silicone-induced

> version?.........The chief distinction that can be made thus far is that

> silicone-induced disease usually begins with swollen lymph nodes and

> muscle pain in the chest around the implants, as well as in the upper

> back and neck. The pain then spreads into the shoulders and down the

> arms, and eventually becomes widespread in muscles and joints. The

> chronic fatigue gradually worsens.

> Copyright 1993 by B. Vasey and Josh Feldstein

> Hope it was ok to type this from the book. I remember being in pain at

> the very beginning of my troubles, shortly before my implants were found

> to be broken in 1976. Even a neuro said the pain was from using a

> shoulder-purse. REALLY! Blessings to All.

> lindaamos@...

>

>

> I had stiff neck and upper shoulders off and on

> throughout years with silicone implants. . .it all stopped

> upon removal. I tend to think this may be capsule

> growth around the implant pulling on the pectoral muscles

> which are attached to the shoulders, which are attached to

> the Trapezius (shoulder and neck) and five layers

> of back muscles. A look at a picture of the

> muscular anatomy helps see this. . . & Noble

> has a number of books with this in it. . .should be

> quite a sale after Christmas! I bought Gray's Anatomy

> there, but you can probably see it in the library also.

> (Warning: it takes some time to figure it out)

> Bonnie

> Bojohns@...

> --

> Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are

> honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure,

> whatsoever

> things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any

>

> virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

>

>

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----- Original Message -----

From: " Kathi " <pureheart@...>

Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 2:31 PM

Subject: Re: question about stiff neck and shoulders

> My ostepath has seen it written that silicone affects the disks in the

> spine ,when working on my neck the spine should be able to compensate

> for itself but mine will not and has to be

> manipulated.I feel so much better after a visit to him, he understands

> how frustrating things are for me as my own dr is very unhelpful.He was

> amazed to read about silicone affecting

> the joints but this has made him believe me more , this in turn helps

> me.

> Sue

> ENGLAND.

> GibbensE@...

>

>

>

>

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----- Original Message -----

From: " Kathi " <pureheart@...>

Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 5:55 PM

Subject: Re: question about stiff neck and shoulders

> remove id's please.:)

>

> I see a doctor who was one of the first who associated breast implants

> with illness. His experience with BI patients shows a connection between

>

> the stiff neck and shoulder thing. The only treatment that i know of is

> a heating pad, and/or pain medication. mild exerize seems to also, in

> many instances, help.

>

> Some of the gals have noticed help with the over-the-counter MSM....

>

> Another little ditty that helps, is what is called a " muscle

> stimulator " . Some neurologists prescribe this method of treatment..

>

>

>

> love to all,

> from

> foggy

>

> --

> Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are

> honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure,

> whatsoever

> things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any

>

> virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

>

>

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----- Original Message -----

From: " Kathi " <pureheart@...>

Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 12:00 AM

Subject: Re: question about stiff neck and shoulders

> It seems to me that I have seen a number of women who have a condition

> with

> degenerative disk problems in the upper spine that have or had implants.

> I

> know I found out from an MRI that I have cervical sponolosis.

> I wonder if silicone attacks our disks in some way??

> nne

> RAve456201@...

>

>

> t is part of the silicone thing --Your head feels like the neck is just

>

> going to collapse -- it can't possibly hold up the weight of the

> head...For

> me, there is that old burning from the silicone chemicals -- I bought

> one of

> those neck braces that doctors used to put you in after a car accident

> and

> wearing that seems to help, when I can't spend half, or more, of my

> time

> lying down... So far, this has not been a constant for me - it's there

> for

> several days, then it will let up for a while. Each time that I have

> had

> this really bad, I have also developed those blistery looking things on

> my

> neck, and most recently, on my scalp in the back of my head...

> I had terrible pains in my left shoulder for probably a year at least,

> before I found the ruptures..Since explantation, that has gradually

> improved - is much better than it was previously..will it last??we hope

> so...

> I have been keeping a journal since I found my ruptures; it doesn't

> take

> long to jot down your symptoms every day or so -- I can see a definite

> pattern in the 3 years since I started the journal...

> ISNT THAT STRANGE --I had a session of " FROZEN SHOULDER " they called it

>

> ----and both times it was during the times of rupture --when we all have

>

> these LIKE SYMPTOMS ---you would think it would encourage some STUDIES

> AND CAREFULL INVESTIGATION === or SINCE WE ARE THEIR " DOWRAT --TEST

> ANIMALS -- " COULDNT THEY HAVE MADE THE SILICONE GLOW UNDER EXRAY OR

> SOMETHING (its not like they might put a bad chemical in it this way

> ---ha it would get lost in all the other BAD CHEMICALS ---) but at least

>

> we could TRACK THE STUFF THRU OUR SYSTEM AND SEE IT GLOW WHEN IT COMES

> OUT ---when I think of all the " LOST SILICONE " in the implants and

> where it is now ---just having those little grains of stuff push out my

> skin --LEAVES ALOT OF STUFF YET TO COME AND THATS A SLOW WAY TO GET IT

> ALL OUT ----wish I had a spicket or a drain ---oh well got better

> things to dream and wish about ----like MERRY HO HO HOLIDAYS TO ALL YOU

> GALS AND FAMILYS -----we are all FAMILY THRU PAIN -----AND HOPE ---AND

> STRENGTH --------LUV CAROLINE

> " Carolyn Wolf " <carwol@...>

>

>

> Light exercise seems to help, but if I lift weights and do shoulder or

> upper back exercises, my neck has gotten so stiff, that turning my head

> would make me feel nauseaus. I take it easy now when I work out.

> I have also found SAM-E, which is a supplement, helps wonderfully. It

> relieves muscle and joint stiffness and an added plus--it makes you

> feel very happy. It relieves depression and does a great job of both. On

> the down side, it is quite expensive. I have found it works better

> than MSM, which I also take.

>

> Have a Great

> Day!

>

>

>

> Outlw1@...

> --

> Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are

> honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure,

> whatsoever

> things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any

>

> virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

>

>

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----- Original Message -----

From: " Kathi " <pureheart@...>

Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 5:56 PM

Subject: Re: question about stiff neck and shoulders

>

> I had the stiff neck and shoulders for many months after explant. All

> x-rays

> were neg. and no cause was found. It was extremely painful when trying

> to

> move beyond a limited range of motion. More so in my right shoulder

> than

> the left.

> Eventually it resolved on it's own. gail

>

> --

> Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are

> honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure,

> whatsoever

> things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any

>

> virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

>

>

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----- Original Message -----

From: " Kathi " <pureheart@...>

Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 7:28 AM

Subject: Re: question about stiff neck and shoulders

> I have developed a fatty pad at the top of back, high up. My shoulders

> do

> sag some and my posture doesn't have my head pearched in line with the

> spine. I think it is from muscle pain and weight gain. My p/t has given

> me

> stretches to do and use heat.

> Espina <ancyna@...>

>

> I think a lot of the bone and nerve problems are related to the platinum

> in the implants. If you remember, studies on platinum used in the chemo

> drugs shows that it goes to the bones,

> and I believe one study indicated the disks specifically. Another study

> showed that it interfered with calcium transport, so I wonder if that

> affects the bones in that way too.

>

> Some of the documents on the platinum content showed more in the

> envelopes than in the gel in some implants, so it is not surprising that

> those with the saline are having just as

> many problems.

>

> Happy holidays to all!

>

>

> re:

> -It seems to me that I have seen a number of women who have a condition

> with

> degenerative disk problems in the upper spine that have or had implants.

>

> ... wonder if silicone attacks our disks in some way??

> nne-

>

>

>

> Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are

> honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure,

> whatsoever

> things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any

>

> virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

>

>